mircea_popescu: and that one thing is the idea merchants have about what those wishes and expectations are.
mircea_popescu: there's only one thing that reliably exceeds in shocking ridiculousness the actual wishes and expectations of people
davout: siri would apparently rather be home and play videogames
davout: 'Siri has not informed them about this' <<< kek
mircea_popescu: et reinforced by the revised bankruptcy laws that make it impossible to ever write-off this sort of debt. When will they get political about it? Their debt loads will disfigure their lives as surely as a tour of duty in Vietnam would have forty years ago. Perhaps Siri has not informed them about this."
mircea_popescu: "Now its all aging badly, fraying, too costly to fix and, increasingly, not worth scraping off the land and replacing with a new cheap, shitty building. The younger generation doesnt even want to live in that suburban dystopia. They run shrieking from it to Brooklyn, or even downtown Troy, New York, up the Hudson River Valley. Alas, this younger generation has also been broadly victimized by the college loan rack
asciilifeform: likewise, yes, the knife is shiny, but how do we know it cuts ?
mircea_popescu: no, he started with stuff from the bottom of a lake.
asciilifeform: the shovel kalash ?
asciilifeform: they can start with mineral from nowhere near home, pre-refined
mircea_popescu: you recall the thing i mean ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cheat is in the fact that the 'from scratch' folks do not actually have to do the metallurgy
mircea_popescu recalls the recently published metal from scratch photoblog thingee.
mircea_popescu: what is this, the brave private svjeik ?
asciilifeform: no bark ~in his pathetic head~
mircea_popescu: no bark where they lived ?
asciilifeform: american bloke, circa 1950s, is in the army, falls into a time warp in iceland, ends up in 13th c.
asciilifeform: poul anderson's short story 'the man who came early' is about this.
mircea_popescu: teach the rest of the world consumers have come to expect, aha, nice aids you got there.
mircea_popescu: volunteer corps or whatever the fuck it's called made a lot more sense 20 yeasrs ago, back when kids COULD actually do architecture by hand. at least thye idea that hey, you don't HAVE TO live in mud huts could spread (it did). but today ? what exactly do they know "how the ipad must behave" ?
mircea_popescu: "i sent my piece of fuckmeat to africa - they don't know this about her there. yet."
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:47:32; phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, "boko haram" simply means - "you suck". it's deliberately named this way, in the same sort of joke vein in which /. was named that way - to get stupid old ladies confused by the metasyntaxis problem. so stop calling it this if you donm't actually agree the west is the suck.)
phf: can teach them scientology
mircea_popescu: modern man, if airdropped in africa, would have nothing useful to teach the natives.
mircea_popescu: (and yes is what i mean by savage/monkey, and no it's not an easy point to grok, and yes i did have this as a term paper in my naked girly school once and so sure, imagine myself with the whiprifle looking down on your efforts if it helps)
mircea_popescu: (exercise to the aspiring anthropologists of the OTHER ilk in attendance ("cultural", ftr. you're welcome.) : write one page explaining the difference between "deficiente" and "disgraziato".)
asciilifeform: one day mircea_popescu opens an opthamologist's practice! everyone lines up, wants to give it a try! fella walks in, 'i need new spectacles, measure my eyes.' mircea_popescu hands him... a nagant, polished, izhevsk 1941 mark visible, clean, one round in the drum. 'eat.' patient: ??? mircea_popescu: 'you can come back for this later, go home, have some children, raise'em poor and make sure the nearsighted ones die!'
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread: i have a sequel! to the broomstick story! here goes.
mircea_popescu: "oh teach why should i know this ?" "so you're not the sort of savage/monkey that is reduced to building mud huts"
mircea_popescu: INCLUDING the derivates aha.
asciilifeform: esp. in usa, where they get a three week course on 'why it stands up' and four years of postmodernist claptrap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance because one time he kicked all architects out of the room because "who the fuck asked you anything - man on the street knows more about buildings than you do"
mircea_popescu: he apparently also has no idea that he looks to people who actually know about the world as a retired and perhaps scandalous antrhopologist of the "physical" ilk.
mircea_popescu: has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields."
mircea_popescu: "Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He
mircea_popescu: "The Geography of Nowhere, or the rise and decline in america's man-made landscape", what's wrong wioth that ?
mircea_popescu: http://kunstler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/HistoryoftheFuture_Thumb.jpg << omaigawd the stench of poverty in the shape of self published wonk.
funkenstein_: "Janet Yellen was left standing naked in the hot glare of her own carbonizing credibility, a pitiful larval creature, still maundering about the data, and the median growth projection, and other previously-owned figments spun out of the great PhD wonk machine in the Eccles Building."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'direction' here is not in the sense of 'chemist knows the effect' - as i described in earlier threads, the models are shoddier than pretty much anyone involved in that racket is willing to admit in public. i was speaking in the sense of what usg permits to be fed to people, for test, and thereafter sold
mircea_popescu: looky here, if i strip a chick naked, blindfold her, stick a quart of diluted wine up her asshole, spin her around for five minutes and then encourage her to "move towards the cock she prefers"
asciilifeform: this is true. but think of modern pharma, where one really ~does~ 'pick direction' in the sense that there are, say, 100M synthesizable compounds you can work with
asciilifeform: note that i did not say that we are ~likely~ to live to see this kind of trick. research has been just about entirely in the lobotomy direction, rather than this, no prizes for guessing why.
mircea_popescu: would you not say the attempt to treat people as things has gone far enough ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: engineer exists in order to take 'there's a reason why things work as nature intended' and feed it its own arse
mircea_popescu: alfie, there's a reason things work the way they work which happens to be opposite of the way you want them to.
asciilifeform: picture the opposite of lobotomy
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1282294 << selective breeding works, but is the exact opposite of what i meant - which was something more like a (hypothetical) electric implant that gives you iron determination at the push of a button
mircea_popescu: check out how the internet is giving a voice to ordinary people!
mircea_popescu: then this was made for you.
mircea_popescu: shinohai well the beauty of social media is that you can readily ignore individual people in pursuit of rules.
shinohai: http://www.cio.com/article/2985252/us-congress-members-urged-to-communicate-using-encrypted-apps.html "The encryption used by communications apps such as WhatsApp is stronger than those of phone networks, says ACLU"
punkman: naturally, because the CEO knew about salmonella in company emails
shinohai: I could literally pay some doge derp $1 to 3-d print that holder, I have the same product and the derp thinks "yay my currency is a success"
assbot: Pooch Selfie: The Best Way to Capture Selfies with Your Dog! by Clever Dog Products — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuesh6 )
punkman: "After a year of design, development, and prototyping, Pooch selfie is ready to go to market." https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poochselfie/pooch-selfie-the-best-way-to-capture-selfies-with
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: o look, tech crunch still beatying the "bitcoin governance" horse.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, GENIUS
mircea_popescu: I did a U-urn and screeched wheels and they began firing handguns at usboom, boom, boom! I thought we would die, but their fire discipline is as poor as their manners.
mircea_popescu: (i do not see any lack of continuity in soviet degeneracy as compared to pre-soviet, but then again that's just me._
phf: i don't think mp talks about willpower, there's some sort of munchausenian pulling yourself by own bootstraps (in the original meaning of the passage) point that keeps eluding me
asciilifeform was bracing for the хруст французской булки (tm) (r) , pleasantly relieved
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't intentionally skip for the purposes of "чайные ложечки" rhetoric, just talking about how the things are now
asciilifeform: (at least for the first half century or so)
asciilifeform: and used the proceeds to finance mathematics rather than golden toilets for a handful of degenerates
asciilifeform: conveniently skipping the interim ?
phf: well, the way i see it, pre-soviets my family had a handful of hotels and titles with corresponding land, there's not much pie growing possible, it's either i who own them, or some bloke in the ru pipeline hierarchy, and as it stands it's not me. so i'm only parodying soviet terminology with "impaired" talk
asciilifeform: (pharmacologically or some other way)
asciilifeform: i was about to say 'balls cannot be grown from empty space' but it is conceivable that the biological foundation of what we think of as 'willpower' could be discovered and played with
asciilifeform: 'the pie' implied some harvestable resource, no ?
mircea_popescu: you can find all the planets you wish.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.
asciilifeform: what means 'grow', other than discovering a duplicate planet somewhere ?
asciilifeform: what is the pie in this line of thought ?
mircea_popescu: you can never grow the pie. but if you can be made to believe you'll grow the pie, then all bets are off, and the whole house collapses into rubble.
mircea_popescu: it happens to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at the (mistaken) notion that you know, there's something out there, maybe you find it. whereas the system REQUIRES for there NOT to be such a thing.
mircea_popescu: gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move the earth from orbit on its leverage.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or in other words, to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc."
asciilifeform inevitably, when this comes up, thinks of the turks
mircea_popescu: that's all the value that'll ever exist.
mircea_popescu: the eldest didn't inherit naught but the tears of the non-elders, and their butthurt.
mircea_popescu: (think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire, then". and after a century "empire work is too hard")
mircea_popescu: runts ever so often make the world a better place, that if they all unite the internet can't possibly be long away.
mircea_popescu: and they'll fix it, i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: what is the "left sympathy" of the "West" other than the disilusioned of 3rd borns at their own disenfranchisement ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not before the "romantic period" at any rate.
asciilifeform: these did not exist before ?
mircea_popescu: very similar to "made everyone a little noble, but absent the usual incentives to reproduce - made everyone choose between thinking and having kids"
mircea_popescu: one of the many atrocities perpetuated by the "derp revolution" is the creation of young men with artistic taste but without a family fortune to inherit.
phf: hmm, i see the point as it applies to mayakovsky. attempted to answer, had some promise, but then chocked. but i guess when it comes down to it, it's not so much that i see intrinsic value in art, it's that i'm claiming that shalamov is art. but then not being a wealthy patron, that's irrelevant. qed?
mircea_popescu: imposed fucking topic by political power, apparently "women are a thing" in their twisted nonsensical view. what's he to do ?
mircea_popescu: and also, all the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ?
mircea_popescu: lacking that quality, the "artists" are posers.
mircea_popescu: the only important, redeeming feature of art is that, like woman, will survive everything. in all times and places, its tits must poke out.
mircea_popescu: and in my eyes the one to blame in this failure is !stalin.
phf: so stalin went "to fuck with the lot of you"
phf: so the idea is that stalin was the patron in that same old tradition, simply by then the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless.
mircea_popescu: and they were shit
phf: i think a lot of attempts were about that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat theme
mircea_popescu: note that the pope that da vinci had to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right.
mircea_popescu: the task would have been to restate the old conversation in proper terms, for a very sweet life.
mircea_popescu: my own private suspicion is that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for the most part) to find someone COMPETENT.
mircea_popescu: i am unpersuaded by this thesis.
phf: imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons
phf: why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because
punkman: mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon
mircea_popescu: (the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.)
punkman: mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided"
phf: there was a line of patrons that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in the old ideas, or at least they accepted that as art. stalin did a sharp break with that, so maybe pre-stalin they were last patrons of the same lineage?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in that same vein : there's no neo-nazi alive today or since the war invented, that would be fit to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism.
mircea_popescu: well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense".
mircea_popescu: (i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.)
phf: but there were still wealthy patrons then, maybe the exchange was, well, you seem to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and that'd be that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when the last patrons were living out their last days
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets.
mircea_popescu: (this neatly puts the "all art is activism" thingee in its proper terms, too.)
mircea_popescu: the behaviour of the stupid in all fields being by definition about the stupid, not contaminated by the fields.
mircea_popescu: in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of the stupid.
mircea_popescu: no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is the proposition.
phf: d get paid for it", but then repeated ad nauseam as if the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because there's nothing to apply there.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
mircea_popescu: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/21/17c9a4a078351735389d797dcf5b23f6.jpg << does this look like the face of an animal capable of love ?
mircea_popescu: the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared to not be invited for dinner.
asciilifeform: 'haven't exactly... what the nigger words'
cazalla: for sake of logs - the 21.co blockchain on an SD card quote is http://dpaste.com/07AQSXN.txt
mircea_popescu: too bad they couldn't afford fiddy cents to find out that "no, don't do that"
mircea_popescu: good that they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement
mircea_popescu: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/vince/boost/detailpages/21inc6._SR1000,750_.jpg << o hey check out, the idiots haven't exactly learn what the nigger words are in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better.
mircea_popescu: the bitch is, this particular space has so far offered and in general promises to offer in the indefinite future tools to feed the little biches their own crows.
mircea_popescu: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business."
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, their words, not mine!
asciilifeform: i have my doubts that there is anything resembling even a gavinized parody of the blockchain in there, at all
BingoBoingo: I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this.
mircea_popescu: (obviously the actual thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281264 << it's altogether dubious whether they'll be able to keep up, even with it preloaded.
mircea_popescu: what's leftover out of these deals to actually do thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary to buy smokes.
asciilifeform: then yes.
asciilifeform: the guy who needs 200megatonnes of reactor fluid recirculated and laundered ?
mircea_popescu: contrary to how the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is that's begging.
asciilifeform: or is mircea_popescu's argument is that the 200megabux is in 'recyclable real estate bezzle' usd, which, if spent on turkeys, would send shock wave that could topple cities ?
mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hoolis ad platform."
asciilifeform: of whatever they paid to have that thing shat out
mircea_popescu: would you stop already ? have you read the vc article ? what "half of that".
asciilifeform: (why?? ask them..)
asciilifeform: the really galling thing, to me, re: the 200mil sc4mz0rz, is that for prolly less than half of that, a sane man could build a perfectly serviceable chip fab in the pampas or the like
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29; thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281238 << yeah because all those names you named haven't been desperate for revenue in the past decade.
asciilifeform: speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack.
mircea_popescu: only indie schmucks deliver things. actually listed companies, be they s.nsa or 21co don't lower themselves to that!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:54; ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281243 << dude get out, buy one. what do you think this is, the trezor ?
mircea_popescu: trinque was it massive ? didn't they get like 20mn ?
mircea_popescu: i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range.
trinque: asciilifeform: that was just the advertising to bring in that massive round
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the reason being : reality
mircea_popescu: actually, im mildly surprised at this very retarded approach. the correct way to do this would be - have intentionately crippled miner. to decripple, kid has to solve puzzles.
pete_dushenski: this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
mircea_popescu: if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor.
asciilifeform: it would make some elementary sense, even as a scam, if it were not for the exponentially decaying egg mass
mircea_popescu: anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising.
mircea_popescu: better get the goose.
mircea_popescu: besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills.
asciilifeform: goose, rather
mircea_popescu: hey, comes right out of their college fund :D
mircea_popescu: there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day.
asciilifeform: esp. after the halving, difficulty slide, etc
mircea_popescu: im telling you, the numbers aren't aha lol.
asciilifeform: (the dev board it is attached to can supply no more)
asciilifeform: the gadget ?
asciilifeform: there we go.
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds
gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
asciilifeform: yeah but this thing, at least on the surface, is laughably DOA
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab".
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281224 << years ago. never did much for them and quietly discarded.
asciilifeform: as with the atm
asciilifeform: where, then, is the 'consumeratronic' aesthetic ? why no injection-molded case, blinkenlights, touch panel ?
mircea_popescu: so they're blockchain technologizing.
asciilifeform: the 'bitcoin atm' at least has some sort of practical lure
asciilifeform: i slept through the neobee thing
mircea_popescu: how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ?
asciilifeform: aside from outlandish hypothesis like 'hidden usg altcoin miner' - i can hardly think of any logical reason for it to exist.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho the '21' thing is a genuine puzzler.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281217 << should appeal to randi the clown and her cohorts.
asciilifeform: the 'web2.0'ism engulfed all
mircea_popescu: iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately
asciilifeform: but yes, he got to sell the pick axes.
asciilifeform: 'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy.
asciilifeform: 'During the spring of 1999, for example, recruiting 5 hires would earn the employee a Honda S2000. Recruiting 10 employees would net a Ferrari F355. A trophy F355 in bright yellow was kept parked outside of the Prospect Street office in Cambridge to entice employees into recruiting. Later in the summer of 1999, as new management was brought on board, the policy was quietly changed to a lease of the cars, not outright ownership
mircea_popescu: maybe some wiggle room between these.
asciilifeform: it was all acquisition/'exit' games, all the way down.
asciilifeform: none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~
asciilifeform: so nothing really changed other than the particular flavour of muppet being bathed in benjies
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually he wrote this at the heights of the bezzlatronic 'dotcom boom'
mircea_popescu: i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is what 30 years did to the us.)
mircea_popescu: " But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance."
mircea_popescu: whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you.
mircea_popescu: i would not hire the idiots.
mircea_popescu: if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 02:06:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281114 << except i wouldn't hire them if they paid me.
mircea_popescu: which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility.
mircea_popescu: same result in the end.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY."
asciilifeform: ergo a rejection of the latter, always strikes the thinking man - and lunatic, alike - as the most enticing possible thing.
asciilifeform: likewise, the most egregious retardation is shat forth by one specific consideration - backwards compatibility.
mircea_popescu: this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism.
asciilifeform: i had to go and actually dig up a fucking lisp machine to figure out why it cannot be 'suck the cock of' and made a base for future work as-is
mircea_popescu: ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears.
mircea_popescu: b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281874 << the absolute worst risk category for this kind of disease is to be involved in computing. because there, it is largely ACTUALLY TRUE that everyone is retarded.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2015#1281155 << an alternative explanation would go like so : a. the value of all things is predicated on lulz and drama, and nothing else. even if we discovered this point with bitcoin, it's really - like all other things we discovered "about bitcoin", a universal property of reality.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof,
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281864 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2015#1281866 << i see in the list 'lead' and 'follow' but where is 'fail' ?
mircea_popescu: mostly the mouth tho
asciilifeform: though wiles has a gaunt and somewhat hobo-like flavour to him, from the extant photos
asciilifeform: i certainly see the resemblance.