BingoBoingo: Too old to be news https://www.thefix.com/content/texas-truck-company-DEA-agent90446
asciilifeform: 'the hookers churchill and stalin...'
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform spoke to brother
phf: oh yeah american ninja might've been from rental, but then i have no idea what was on those tapes. the only stuff i do remember are commercials for transformers and hot wheels
asciilifeform spoke to brother of poettering, drepper, et al, and he replied 'wouldn't it be interesting if someone built a thing where people signed code with pgp and rated one another and...'
assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 03:34:54; phf: our moscow neighbor was a burned kgb spy, who upon his return from washington in the late 80s brought with him 5 boxes of tapes, recorded from u.s. cable television, commercials and all. i remember watching the whole thing, but i wouldn't be able to recall any specifics. i'm pretty sure it had the entire american ninja there, for example
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2015#1313552 << i must have watched these same tapes. except that they came from some underground (literally) rental thing in '90 or so
mircea_popescu: is broadly intended to mean "in the manner of a slightly-derogatory old style word for female" ?
assbot: Logged on 02-11-2015 03:37:59; phf: mircea_popescu: i think there are two movies about computers that are kind of worth watching, because they manage to broadly capture the period, the hackers and war games.
mircea_popescu: "this watch or back to the village. choose."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, because try as one might, the genders may be interchangeable but the sexes - not.
ben_vulpes is still working through the luxury branding article
phf: but of course breguet had to choose the other quote for their ads, this one sends a mixed message
ben_vulpes: forgive my thickness, but their interests are not aligned?
mircea_popescu: these two groups, the people who want to fuck 14 yo girls, and the people who do not want faggotry to be mental illness, will come to blows.
mircea_popescu: this yields the serious problem that... when does gayness ripen into no longer pathological ? and why ?
mircea_popescu: so the truth of the matter is that yes, sexual interest in early teen females is normal and common, and perhaps not ~necessarily~ harmful to the females in question [in those conditions where communication is sparse and pop density is under 1 per sq mile - which pointedly DOES NOT mean NYC or akron, ohio!], whereas sexual interest in bosy the same age is NOT common, or normal. but pathological. period.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Pedophilia Is Normal, Because Otherwise It's Abnormal ... ( http://bit.ly/1ShE2SY )
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/pedophilia_is_normal_because_o.html <<< ahahaha epic.
ben_vulpes: <mod6> that place punches me in the colon << i lol'd
mircea_popescu: "o really pops, she like, kisses your wee wee that once, and the skin was even retracted ? you go tiger!"
mircea_popescu: worst fucking film ever, the only thing it informs us is, just how fucktardedly primitive our parents were, sexually speaking.
ben_vulpes: a smallish group of girls around here. not an official name or thing by any stretch of the imagination.
mircea_popescu: what's the coven ?
ben_vulpes: not terrifically uncommon knowledge in "the coven". i think "sex at dawn" is their tract on the topic.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know wife gets too confident of her position and the kid's covered in helmets.
mircea_popescu: the mistress is a very important surogate for the functional (ie, 3-4 wives) arrangement.
mircea_popescu: i am of the firm belief that an adult male with wealth and a monofambly is a liability to both the wife and the children.
ben_vulpes: "you, the viewer, become the Dad, with the aspirational images laid out for you: a beautiful and proper wife with culture and delicacy, taking care of your perfect daughter, while you're in the shower scrubbing the scent of concubinage off you. " wahahaha
ben_vulpes: academitard i belive is the local lingo
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you actually read the "i spent thousands learning to be a wealth manager" piece? she touches on signaling.
BingoBoingo: When I worked at a watch stand I learned all sorts of lower end brand preferences. White trash likes fossil. More monied white trash like Tag Heuer, or Invicta if they got the collecting compulsion
mircea_popescu: "That's the history of America: come here for the freedom; stay for the cash; and if things get hairy say only God can judge you."
mod6: that place punches me in the colon
mircea_popescu: another fun fact : i never met anyone who actually wore those things
ben_vulpes: "honey, put a vest on the kid" only ever has 2 answers
ben_vulpes: tis a vaporous and difficult to grasp sort of thing. embedded in the people, codified where possible.
BingoBoingo: I buy my own ties. It's why half of them are bolo ties.
ben_vulpes: with suits and ties and didn't do the matching originally and daily selection selection on an ongoing basis?
mircea_popescu: give someone a tie see if they wear it.
ben_vulpes: who are these people
mircea_popescu: nobody buys their own ties. nobody even WEARS ties without permission. "honey does this go ?"
ben_vulpes: doesn't buy their own ties?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but anyway, your intuition is broadly correct, the one thing that can make your shop flourish / ensure its survival is heavy duty investment in IP. the real thing, the sort of IP that can't be intellectually-protected.
mircea_popescu: i might be the only male alive dictating high heel usage as to type and so forth.
mircea_popescu: "Not even the girls will condescend to it, and if you can't sell fashion goods to the girls, you can't sell the goods." << fun fact, ties are a purchase mostly controlled by women. JUST LIKE HIGH HEELS,
mircea_popescu: yes actual rich people also want to buy these things. to wear at the hackathon, to play the role of the billionaire who hangs around and chats with the derps, without having to actually spend any time on like... you know, irc.
mircea_popescu: "What is actually going on is that Apple is attempting to signal to the derps who willingly buy their fashion goods that actual rich people also buy those things." etc
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Luxury Branding The Future Leaders Of The World ... ( http://bit.ly/20miBFG )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes re your interests in low brow apple "status goods" etc, see the excellent tlp http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/11/luxury_branding_the_future_lea.html
mircea_popescu: i find the pastoral images soothing
mircea_popescu: (for the people who weren't hipsters in the 60s, russ meyer is this guy doing footage of chicks with absurdly big natural tits. nothing happens.)
mircea_popescu: i'd rather rewatch lorna than look at "hollywood does floppy disks"
mircea_popescu: there's also a bunch of chicks that are kinda worth fucking that will be old before i get around to them
phf: mircea_popescu: i think there are two movies about computers that are kind of worth watching, because they manage to broadly capture the period, the hackers and war games.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch namibian television reports about wall street
phf: our moscow neighbor was a burned kgb spy, who upon his return from washington in the late 80s brought with him 5 boxes of tapes, recorded from u.s. cable television, commercials and all. i remember watching the whole thing, but i wouldn't be able to recall any specifics. i'm pretty sure it had the entire american ninja there, for example
phf: he last and only good role was in the hackers, but that carried her pretty far
mircea_popescu: she's moved into a zsa zsa gabor phase before being 35. clinging to headlines with stuipid shit like "i took the fat out of my tits and replaced it with oil to support BP and Shell!"
mircea_popescu: TOO MANY GOOD PEOPLE DIED THERE
punkman: perhaps bot should skip the title
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Links 2015-10-31 Sat: self-driving cars, short fiction, Nigerian lolz, ship photos, Volkswagen's embroilment in ship engine number fudging, planes landing on cargo ships, the Palestinian Authority and more! - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/01_links-2015-10-31-sat-self-driving-cars-short-fiction-nigerian-lolz-ship-photos-volkswagens-embroilment-in-ship-engine-number-fudging-planes-land
mircea_popescu: imgur obviously doesn't get kicked off because "cp" because "we have no control what the internet does". but slimgur does get booted.
BingoBoingo: phf: Domain change, booted from hosting because Lardbarges uploaded CP and reported them to their then host
v_diddy: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313353 << take things, do not wait for them to be given.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: What Would You Do If Your Fiance Gave You a Ring That Wasn't Good Enough? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjKtoD )
mircea_popescu: reading http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/what_would_you_do_if_your_fian_1.html i realise nothing in the past decade makes me as happy as biel's fizzling.
phf: huh, libgpg-error and gpgme come with common lisp bindings (and only cl) in the standard distribution..
mircea_popescu: well... it's either a disability or it isn't. what, you hate the lame and worship the deaf so you put people without legs in prison and give tax money to the deaf ? pick a stand lol.
mircea_popescu: The National Confederation of Disabled People called the action "incomprehensible," and said pedophiles are now awarded a higher government disability pay than some people who have received organ transplants."
mircea_popescu: "ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Greek disability groups expressed anger Monday at a government decision to expand a list of state-recognized disability categories to include pedophiles, exhibitionists and kleptomaniacs.
punkman: ha, vex had this in the logs
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2011/12/28/the-psychology-of-quitting/ << penelope trunk thinks she might be dying from a nut sized buise on her hip.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/5670e7ec00898d000603cb611e793804/tumblr_n6vsh8qYCL1r2weuio2_1280.jpg
shinohai: trying to explain the necessary steps. I have no clue what to tell a Windows user!
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313073 << snore, what, rest of the world didn't go to school and never heard of church numerals..?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313062 << waitasec he actually named the boy this ?
mircea_popescu: Cristina sabes que "Has previously posted nudie selfshots on the web. You will be required to prove this by supplying a link." va decir ?
ascii_field: shinohai: before you can even begin to think about this, must read the pertinent logz
assbot: Logged on 01-11-2015 21:30:42; mircea_popescu: "I have more than a thousand rules: specific detailed rules about how to hold your chopsticks and your bowl, how to pick up food, how to hold a cup, how to sleep, how to cover yourself with a quilt," Xiao says. "If you don't follow the rules, then I must beat you."
shinohai: I saw that part about the memory issues, was hoping I might stumble on solutions.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313190 << it is 'tiny' only in the disk footprint. leaks like a sieve (see a year's worth of log...)
mircea_popescu: they're too shy to say hi whiole the chick's there at the bar slipping herself roofies.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you forget who these readers are.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313057 << afaik it never worked to begin with (not even in the miserable sense that systemd 'worked' elsewhere)
assbot: Logged on 01-11-2015 18:16:41; mod6: hmm. so yeah, the key will be to get these deps compiled statically. i might be wrong, but alf's pogo related things might have some sample configurations for getting these statically built on ARM.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313177 << i did it ALL already !! does nobody read the logz??
ascii_field: aha who doesn't love job postings with 100 million and one fishwrap-derps bloating the mailbox
ascii_field: esp for the period
v_diddy: shinohai: consider translating the first steps wiki article?
mircea_popescu: also for the people interested in economics : i'm tinkering out the s.mg report, should be interesting.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2015#1313254 << eh, he's the original 'apolitical' jwz
v_diddy: my spanish has rotted on the vine :(
shinohai: punkman: some new turdcoin exchange. I just heard there were some Spanish-speakers there, so I needed the practice.
shinohai: Nah mircea_popescu I thought I'd go over to cryptopia and see if I could talk sense to the Spanish-speakers there.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i thought you were in the states, what is this, ltr ?
Cristina: I have been invited another user, someone trying to learn more things
v_diddy: we're still waiting for the entertainment industry liason i think
v_diddy: and do forgive my letting you dangle on the pop culture references :P
jurov: deedbot-: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151101/attachment_14afbbebdbd4ba8de2d22b26f539cd468a3e71cd.txt
mircea_popescu: "I have more than a thousand rules: specific detailed rules about how to hold your chopsticks and your bowl, how to pick up food, how to hold a cup, how to sleep, how to cover yourself with a quilt," Xiao says. "If you don't follow the rules, then I must beat you."
mircea_popescu: Xiao, 47, describes himself as the emperor of his family. As such, he's laid down an extraordinary system of rules for his children.
mircea_popescu: "Wolf Dad" wrote a book called Beat Them Into Peking University.
mircea_popescu: code, and even then generates worse code? A shiny function that we
mircea_popescu: outside of the perceived need of an author to make characters fuck that wouldn't, there's no reason for it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "two new research papers found that the virus can live in a male survivor's semen for up to nine months, and that one man passed it to his sexual partner months after he was released from the Ebola ward."
BingoBoingo: <v_diddy> BingoBoingo: what, not even a hat tip for the link? << ty, just ack in the article is extra words, dilutional
pete_dushenski: "The code seems *designed* to use that new "overflow_usub()" code. It seems to be an excuse to use that function. And it's a f*cking bad excuse for that braindamage."
pete_dushenski: "Christ people. This is just sh*t. The conflict I get is due to stupid new gcc header file crap. But what makes me upset is that the crap is for completely bogus reasons."
v_diddy: BingoBoingo: what, not even a hat tip for the link?
shinohai: yeah on x86_64 no complaints outside of the keyserver hiccups
mod6: it needs a bit more clean up over the next week or so, then will have something a bit more finalized. glad that the mechinisms worked though.
mod6: oh the rotor+V script for x86_64?
shinohai: mod6: nw part of the journey ... but dammit imma figure this out if it kills me.
mod6: hmm. so yeah, the key will be to get these deps compiled statically. i might be wrong, but alf's pogo related things might have some sample configurations for getting these statically built on ARM.
mod6: <+shinohai> jurov: I found it, twas in the logs. Only happens on arm but twas easy fix << were you able to get openssl/boost/bdb built statically then for ARM 32bit?
shinohai: Sadly there are very few entertainers of note any more in American cinema.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: i tried watching airplane (1980) recently, maybe a month or two ago, but i had to turn it off after about 20 minutes, so unbearable was the lethargic pace and hollow 'humour'
shinohai decides to rent the 1980 classic Airplane! so as to no longer think of bad things on aeroplanes this weekend.
pete_dushenski: in other airplane crime news, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bombardier-restructuring-cost-cutting-1.3298950
shinohai: Aside from the CP he coulda been a great guy
assbot: The UN’s Weirdest Crimes: 380 Pounds of Weed, Child Porn, and a Chainsaw on a Plane | VICE News ... ( http://bit.ly/1WrDSJc )
fluffypony: https://news.vice.com/article/the-uns-weirdest-crimes-380-pounds-of-weed-child-porn-and-a-chainsaw-on-a-plane
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: sort of the same thing
mircea_popescu: so what, they're gonna be issued through the first apostolical church instead of amazon now ?
pete_dushenski: because only rappers and pro athletes (read: blacks) wear them.
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: let's start a petition to ban the sale of all hats. baseball hats are racist too y'know. especially the flat-brimmed ones.
pete_dushenski: if you've lost your sense of humour and can't stop being a victim whore FOR ONE DAY A YEAR then you deserve to rot in a very fiery and exquisitely painful circle of hell.
assbot: Lexington, KY local and state news by the Lexington Herald-Leader | Kentucky.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1WrBkux )
pete_dushenski: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/10/29/4112292/university-president-posed-for.html << fuck the bitchy little students, fuck their apologist profs, and fuck the lot of them. it's motherfucking halloween.
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2015 00:02:08; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you took your wife out on the town dressed as a cow ?
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2015 00:02:01; vulpes_a_hopital: pete_dushenski is the joke there that the girl's the one working?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-10-2015#1311665 << the joke's really the milk.
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2015 00:01:12; pete_dushenski: speaking of costumes, i've pulled off the most magical trio for the family for this halloween : papa is the beplaided farmer, mama the milky moo-cow, baby the curious calf !
pete_dushenski: saw the best carved pumpkin this year : little pumpkin head wedged into a larger smashed out pumpkin head. sort of an 'alien' thing. very wd.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: the prairie schools built around here a century ago are often left derelict for lack of funding. i could see revamping one.
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 03:15:59; v_diddy: i don't think pete's actually interested in /building/ the skoolarium
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-10-2015#1312215 << in the short-term, b+p skool is more of a 'best practises' approach than a facility proper, but in the long-term, why not ?
mircea_popescu: also, the field data suggests that contrary to everyone's worst nightmares, systemd will actually eventually fail, like the rest of similar attempts.
mircea_popescu: o check it out busybox did the right thing ?
fluffypony: he looks like the Jew from Quantico
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: jurov: I found it, twas in the logs. Only happens on arm but twas easy fix.
jurov: shinohai: there was likely some previous error compiling openssl
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: trinque: actually the more helpful line in the linked file is #L349, although the most correctest test would be sighash-aware
trinque: bother
trinque: for adlai's last deed, the transaction that made it into the blockchain is not the one for which I have the transaction ID
BingoBoingo: Detox to piss clean begins to take the better part of a yer.
BingoBoingo: Shit could single handedly move the US healthcare system from triple to quadruple bankruptcy. Hospital beds occupied by junkies that OD'd shooting up Depot heroin into their glutes and need a narcan drip for a month and a half.
BingoBoingo: More lulz potential: Switching out the roids in the police station locker room with Depot Heroin.
BingoBoingo: Would frustrate the hell outta junkies too. Just leave ampules of the stuff around, because you can't just shoot oil into a vein.
BingoBoingo: Thought of the night: Why hasn't big pharma marketed a product that tacks a long ester onto an opiod molecule to create depot product for treating cancer pain?
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Hmm, isn't it weird how just as soon as women entered the workforce it became completely impossible for a family to achieve the American dream without the woman in the workforce? Turns out that part of the drive to get women into the workforce was driven by... the workforce owners. Get it? Whenever you don't understand geopolitics just ask yourself where the lowest labor costs are, and wait for the
mircea_popescu: oh oh the ticker thing.
mircea_popescu: The scientific community is aghast at the extent of his fraud-- fraud on "Astonishing Scale", writes Gretchen Vogel in the same issue of Science; and Bruce Alberts was so furious he wrote an "Editorial Expression Of Concern." Ooooooooohhh. People's Elbow.
mircea_popescu: Diederik Stapel, noted Dutch psychologist, was recently outed for massive scientific fraud, i.e. he made up all his studies. "All of them?" Does it matter?
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Plan Will Always Fail Catastrophically ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfFl4Y )
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/the_plan_will_always_fail_cata.html << must suck.
mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c746c244f58c38753102354b07488718/tumblr_n6lpxd5SZ91sx6oeso6_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: lmao r/buttcoin still chasing the "bitcoin is notrly valuable" dragon ?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> is any other heavy machinery driven that way? <<< virtually all robots over 100kgf
assbot: The same day MMM (global ponzi scheme using bitcoin) announces it is pausing operations, the bitcoin price drops $20 in a minute. This is totally coincidental and the recent $100 spike was caused purely by fundamentals and adoption : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1l15ARA )
jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3qzz7t/the_same_day_mmm_global_ponzi_scheme_using/
phf: and for the bored crowd in the audience, some code to add two bignums using ascii's mpi extraction, http://paste.lisp.org/display/158046
shinohai: There was that self-driving semi in cnn money a few minths ago
jurov: is any other heavy machinery driven that way?
jurov: i can imagine letting the car drive itself with the "rescues" can be exhilarating, but... brrrrr
assbot: The Autopilot is learning fast: Model S owners are already reporting that Tesla’s Autopilot is self-improving | Electrek ... ( http://bit.ly/1l15cT2 )
jurov: http://electrek.co/2015/10/30/the-autopilot-is-learning-fast-model-s-owners-are-already-reporting-that-teslas-autopilot-is-self-improving/
jurov: and thus mailman did not look for signatures there
jurov: asciilifeform: found your email after all. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000175.html
assbot: The ‘driest place on Earth’ is covered in pink flowers after a crazy year of rain - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1WnNJVG )
hanbot: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/10/29/the-driest-place-on-earth-is-covered-in-pink-flowers-after-a-crazy-year-of-rain/
mircea_popescu: ""Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and..."
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html <<< best ever analysis of "ows" derpage. so good i don't even want to write one myself.
mircea_popescu: i guess easier to count all insanity as third rather than actually increment the accumulator and handle overflows.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, they omit versioning for good reason. ceausescu's aparatchicks also had a "third way", like did the russians, like the peronisto-kirscherists, cuba is in its very own tercera via like is korea like is venezuela like that native midget what's his name sinking peru etc.
mircea_popescu: why are the spanishtards so unsophisticated ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are separate concerns.
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 22:29:23; mircea_popescu: "Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes. No hyperlink. No free access. Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet. Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in the original pap
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 21:43:27; mircea_popescu: i has lulzed enough to last me the month.
ascii_field: there are 3 separate rng subsystems in gpg 1.4 - but more on this later)
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 21:45:55; mircea_popescu: re asciilifeform mpi : the actual extraction, and especially auditing of the rng is a very worthy project.
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2015 00:56:46; asciilifeform: connects to the box itself with a thick triax cable
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 21:34:31; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312712 << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot.
mircea_popescu: aka "any claim as to science or studies done made in english, or by a libtard, or in support of notions not found in the literature of 1800 is to be dismissed out of hand."
mircea_popescu: see it? Because: 2. It will turn out to be actually insane, and the only part of the reference that will support the statement will be the title."
mircea_popescu: "Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes. No hyperlink. No free access. Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet. Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in the original paper and immediately
jurov: you're welcome to resend it to juraj@coinbr.com or otherwise publish
jurov: asciilifeform: sadly i don't have your message because it started eating the bounces for yet unknown reason
mircea_popescu: it mighgt even tie in with the phuctor.
mircea_popescu: re asciilifeform mpi : the actual extraction, and especially auditing of the rng is a very worthy project.
mircea_popescu: i has lulzed enough to last me the month.
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 16:41:36; asciilifeform: every time you stick in the knife, somebody says 'NOOOOOO! this is NECESSARY complexity...!'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 16:35:52; asciilifeform: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/diffutils.git/tree/src/util.c << a good chunk of the complexity IS THERE BECAUSE characters are EVER variadic
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312712 << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot.
mircea_popescu has said "AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST!!!1 separate this mess into string.h and non-string.h god damned it!!1"
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/a5afc14bea4f9e01092fe5b598c8d5d1/tumblr_n9mvwceO5b1s4dm6ao1_500.gif
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 15:43:52; jurov: well, you're bound to see your software broken by people who don't agree with you then
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312632 << once they broke it it's no longer mine, it's theirs.
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 15:43:21; asciilifeform: as a native of what latinate folks regard as likewise a 'hieroglyphs' language, i STILL favour the abolition of 'hieroglyphs display on EVERY box'
mircea_popescu: (though i've read many convincing arguments that utf-8 is new jersey brain dead) << al lyou need to know is that it's what seems to have been left standing once the pain of "gotta support bullshit" washed off.
deedbot-: [Trilema] The quest ; and its resolution - http://trilema.com/2015/the-quest-and-its-resolution/
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 11:45:24; jurov: mircea_popescu: in your quest for other non-derpy irc chans, have you tried #lisp?
asciilifeform wanders off in the direction of pet
asciilifeform: eh i'd be spewing greek then
mircea_popescu: should have taken a god fearting major like the letters.
asciilifeform already there
mircea_popescu: you god damned mathematician folk and your insane demands of language.
asciilifeform: (if no other reason is needed.)
asciilifeform: anyway the reason to have a sane notion of text and glyphs is not so that coolies can write hieroglyphs but so that one can speak of mathematics.
mircea_popescu: just because bunches of barbarians "do without" the ablative doesn't mean they can fucking think in their pigdin
jurov: mircea_popescu: "ignore whitespaces" is half of the source alf posted me as example
asciilifeform: (rome lacked either)
mircea_popescu: "oh, hurr, i kinda like the bible and my name is john smith".
mircea_popescu: and i will ritously say this is americanism at its finest. "oh, i like this girl, what need of her fambly ? we'll just live together under a blanked of sky, alone, like those two kids in the chinese myth!".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'text' is merely a subprogram for a program that displays glyphs. any other definition is braindamaged and will have to be paid for, again and again, until replaced with a sane one.
mircea_popescu: no matter how elegant the pretense can be made to appear.