(trilema) ben_vulpes: "magic ships run on magic computers we don't understand how they work but 1/10 chance of gr8 r1ch3s!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: typically intended to be tragic but rereadings always turn out hilarious
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more like derpy explorers in andre norton books who discover magic tech off planet and bring it home for misuse with hilarious end result
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_whatever_it_is_today would no doubt call this "exercise for student" but i cannot in good conscience call these people students of anything computer related
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sign things selectively and then when it leaks say "mnope doth not bear my signature, get lost"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's a really simple solution here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sorry boss you transmitted something in cleartext
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which btw dumbest shit ever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/1N6B7HG.txt << i'm sorry, all of the "plz foar not to forward because i might conceivably send this to the wrong person" email sigs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104308 << plan obviously is to take the job for $MININT (what derps can pay), perform $MINWORK (what davouts slavejob affords him in terms of spare time [idly, i wonder how he's going to do anything what with the FOXTROT LIMA YANKEE BRAVO OSCAR YANKEE hobby]) something something something qmark x 3 subsequently lulz i hope
(trilema) ben_vulpes: after of course six months of actually reading the logs instead of diving in and you know what nevermind
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104252 << how is this not obvious from inspection
(trilema) ben_vulpes: AND NOW FOR LOG
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski what happens in hotel redacto stays in hotel redacto
(trilema) ben_vulpes: buenos noooooooches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ping someone when your keys are ready, Citizenfive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you say so
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ~70lbs = small?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://instagram.com/p/1jVqH1GI9s/ << this is much more my style than hedzoff stuff
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i imagine its to capture more of 'action'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ask orcs, not i
(trilema) ben_vulpes: beheadings etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: odd data point: gore afficioonados claim orcs are shooting videos with phonecams horizontally oriented
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_lander
(trilema) ben_vulpes: does not necessarily imply vc thinger
(trilema) ben_vulpes: has bezzle connotations
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s shartup
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stahp ascii_lander i cannot spare the time for learning russian
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: whence the logs contention? iirc you said nothing about your occupation in-chan...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'tisn't the typing part of computers as what's damaging to me poor meatsack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'shartup' is a term of art
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no need for such aggro, Citizenfive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up Citizenfive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or perhaps is confident meat is undesireable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: does not have dirigible, desires to preserve meat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't even know what opsec means either
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heavy opsec focus, but you can derive that from logs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'cto', some form of shartup
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no key, impossible to say
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "Dear God, please don't use Pond for anything real yet. I've hammered out nearly 20K lines of code that have never been reviewed. Unless you're looking to experiment you should go use something that actually works."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_lander
(trilema) ben_vulpes: leave babe dirigible keys and train autopilot to recognize her voice
(trilema) ben_vulpes: give up, surrender to obab, commit seppuku i suppose
(trilema) ben_vulpes: from ignorance: how so safer than macbsd?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: joke must be way over my teeny leetle brane
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't get the windows line
(trilema) ben_vulpes: are stellar << wuttttttttttttttttttttttttt
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Windows is currently the most secure mainstream OS. I mean, we can’t stand _using_ it, but that doesn’t change the facts. The kernel is golden, the userland protections
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up Citizenfive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pgp: * Signed message? More like “cryptographic proof that I wrote this incriminating statement” << myeah
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tor: Quality: C code. One implementation, but well funded dev and lots of scrutiny. Good. << such kek
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (re gpg)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is p. lulzy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Quality: Medium? In C :( Well scrutinised. Protocol well analyzed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: althought that followed by:
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "Open Source" as a measure of quality is bullshit. Many eyes don't see squat. It's orthogonal AT BEST to quality ( probably actually negatively correlated ) << tell a kid about it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm too much of a derp to really grok the implication of the statement, though, having failed all of my tradecraft classes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: As I write this, the prosecution has showed that DPR’s private PGP key was on Ross Ulbricht’s laptop. How’s that strong proof of identity looking now? << funnily, it's more or less common knowledge that they shared the key around
(trilema) ben_vulpes: So the moral, if anything, is “run slowly and learn to speak bear” << hyu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh just as i was thinking "omg this log" i stumble across me own lines
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> [02:56] mircea_popescu: This is trial by a jury of your peers in the WoT << o.O
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sleep ad libitum
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mk sleep tight sweetie
(trilema) ben_vulpes: before you crash do you want my converter?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh hey i never gave you my charger
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i guess i'll try to sleep with light leaking out from underneath the OHHHHHHH"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i only figured it out in desperation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6 is a filthy cheater
(trilema) ben_vulpes: myst, irl, with phriends
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hotel redacto has the most delightful puzzles
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: close the door
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh teh phri3nds
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_lander: which thread?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (would have in similar circumstances)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <Citizenfive> ... whatever system of governance the US has ... isn't a good system << awh but i love it it's going to burn itself out so much more quickly than other more reasonable alternatives
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6 ascii_lander: d'you think he escaped?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: poor davout
(trilema) ben_vulpes retrieves the kilo of chocolates from the hilariously over-stuffed minifridge
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up Citizenfive anyways, welcome. don't mind me, i'm just the court clown.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [01:57] we actually ran out of dock, five miles later. << i whet their appetite for you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "and that nobody's going to be able to tell him which is right at that level, but he keeps them in his head, hoping that they'll give him different ideas" << story of my NPC-dom in le cultissima
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i need 5 grues swatted"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: NPC << oh god my feels
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also i've been drinking with the cult so please forgive
(trilema) ben_vulpes confirmed for not-researching retard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "perfect forward secrecy" i think
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [01:55] heck, portland levies "art taxes" nao. << swear jar
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which i sorely lack at all times
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if anything, this'd be ammo in arguments with ascii_lander
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: consider me a rube, please, open to enlightenment. how does PFS protect you from false accusations?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: oi!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_lander
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you really think lizard hitler gives a whit about what you actually say?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "give me six words of an innocent man, and i will find something in them with which to hang him"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "any six words" or some such?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's richlieu's phrase?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or so she hopes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well hey po boy's OTR
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but i'm bound for the gasenwagen anyways, why bovver i ask
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Citizenfive: i've barely scratched the surface of gpg, and otr has no lineage in my wot so i describe the tools i'd use were i to think PFS useful for me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103868 << you hear that ascii_lander??
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103841 << you had it the first time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103821 << pff and who are you again?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up Citizenfive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1103722 << have we not covered this? if one desires 'forward secrecy', just...create an ephemeral key.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eyyy pete how's that wedding?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103567 << best guess is wifi hotspot across street and wacky irc client config. nevertheless...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103585 << your opsec, your skin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: buenos tardes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa a citizenfive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa a citizenfive
(trilema) ben_vulpes: vamanos!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: vamanos!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [09:26] and whether ben_vulpes objects or not, i can only see it in terms of "qntra model ruined gawker, because bitcoin is the world eater" << suppose i'll ask over afternoon coffees
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wait first why would i object to qntra gawker whatever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i wish my spanish were good enough to pun on andan and adonde
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hola mod6
(trilema) ben_vulpes: doing anything related to keys on a windows machine is baaaaad sosamendez
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sosamendez: wincrud was explicitly stripped from the codebase.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: y despues, desayuno?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: to the showers and thence the lobby!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: achtung pumperos!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: donde nadie dale las mierdas
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_on_tour
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bienvenidos a argentina
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also how explain no results for fucksaw
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_on_tour: how explain IP?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh i understand but in what way mega babe?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mega what how?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: next up: mircea_popescu firsting
(trilema) ben_vulpes: liquidassets: wtf is a real nick?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: zamassl
(trilema) ben_vulpes: me: (no shit, idiot) "si, si. hotel redacto, por favor?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my cabbie: "hay mucho lluvia!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "oh, door is open? guess should stahp"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: haha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: brainorcage
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i was planning to actually jump in front of the next one too, aha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some orc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clouds don't really have a lot of water in them
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah it can't go on for very long
(trilema) ben_vulpes: green team you are not cleared for operation tango in my butt
(trilema) ben_vulpes: IMPOSTOR
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ya well talk to me when you find your keys again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: apocrypha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_orc: aha now that's clever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_orc: did you reabsorb all the water you lost today?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is the verboten handle!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gasp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dude mircea_popescu i just overflowed the calculator on this pnhoe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but directly related to box relocation desire
(trilema) ben_vulpes: next time i will be more explicit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i thought you were aware of this!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just call it derpcorp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: SMALLBIZLYFE
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now its time to audit bills
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i might not be able to hail a cab, but i can goose partybutt into action
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how do you get home so quickly/!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: voy a vino cafe y helado
(trilema) ben_vulpes: buenos noches asshats
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that was never assbot jayk
(trilema) ben_vulpes: vamanos a cafe cologne if i understand his popescuity
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bueno bueno looking for a hanbot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hanbot: ping
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hola pumperos
(trilema) ben_vulpes eats a 4 peso banana
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'twas a lovely nap, yes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aww, i missed ascii and chetty
(trilema) ben_vulpes stretches, yawns
(trilema) ben_vulpes stretches, yawns
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mats> [04:32] anyways good chat. sleepy time. << reassuring
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but am now reading
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092245 << i am an ignoramus and do not
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s cavirtex coinsetter
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/04/cavirtex-reopens-under-coinsetter/ << oh no scoop credit thanks pete
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if, you know, you don't want to be tarred with the 't3rrist gpg' brush
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski add 'no-emit-version' to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf without quotes to...not emit version info.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mike_c> [03:55] pop by c3 for a demo. or wait til next week. << huzzah
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ahhh i fell down a tweethole
(trilema) ben_vulpes: otherwise there's a deserving young man we want to give the gift of driving his car into a tree two years from the transplant
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "ph4mly and phr13ndz only"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2013#381188 << apropos of not a whole lot my brother played the villian in this musical
(trilema) ben_vulpes: later pete
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: that voltron thinger looks neat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "used a small drill to drill down to drill down" << sigh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no but nominally this is one of their users: https://flpics0.a.ssl.fastly.net/14/14983/0004e179-595f-1664-2fb6-b4b4faec6217_958.jpg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://flpics2.a.ssl.fastly.net/14/14983/0004e1a2-e8e6-5c37-8c6a-36342ed018a4_720.jpg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah except they're doing it with css
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha fetlife also does the retarded "U NO CAN DL IMAGES" js
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some parallel mebbe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh nb.jpg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah lady v's working on that thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: gratzi
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unless the slave stamp is tattooed or branded it's a yawwwwner
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wouldn't know what to do with a slave
(trilema) ben_vulpes: made it through trimester i with flying colors
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lolk
(trilema) ben_vulpes: first con scoop!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dementia mebbe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's early onset adulthood tho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hyuuuu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1094665 << you'd know better than i
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wait aren't you the one exhibiting early schizo patterns?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sheesh i better give up on this nap
(trilema) ben_vulpes: those were triples!?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now that's some fd redirecting black magic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: engrams
(trilema) ben_vulpes: venti ngrams
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no you're french
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pay someone?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei
(trilema) ben_vulpes: davout: and so?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ding ding ding
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mine their own coins.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: davout: your integrators should be savvy enough to boot into your private testnet.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ooh sticky
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you've just made your own testnet that's...bitcoin.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you set your staging and sandboxen up with bitcoinds that only talk to other bitcoinds you control that have never seen the mainchain
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no dude but listen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah there's a mess of branches throughout the codebase that do different things based on "if testnet"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there are odd transaction relay rules etc i think
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mas o menos that it's not actually a proxy for bitcoin anymore
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "diverged" << the whole block diff=1 thing, f.ex.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well enlighten my sorely sleep deprived ass - what's the use case for testnet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: testnet has diverged so far from mainnet that i don't even really understand the point of it anymore
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, i don't want a different testnet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or is this the "rip out all magic constants" thread again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: remind me of why the genesis block matters please?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: diddle as desired
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just make an isolated network and watch it go
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <davout> [08:21] so TIL that testnet doesn't behave like main net and will allow blocks of diff 1 to be mined whenever it "has been too long" between two blocks << this testnet stuff is bullhockey
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and ba?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the normal routine
(trilema) ben_vulpes: should surprise everyone with some rain in the afternoon
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clear, chilly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hola chicas
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cheep coins! getcher cheep coins!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/32ik14/dear_portland_weekly_rantrage_thread_41315/ << in case anyone wants a taste of braindamaged portlanders
(trilema) ben_vulpes: surely not the self destruct under the boulder trap...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: confirmed for imaginationless except in regards to his own means of death
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have you no imagination, man?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty no obligation though, i'm still bringing your seaweed