pete_dushenski: y'know, for the global warming
pete_dushenski: or children selling their btc to buy half-priced winter jackets and... air conditioners
pete_dushenski: what wot ? everyone should have a chance to be top gov officials ! even the homeless bums !
pete_dushenski: "In this tweet, she implies that the new government is guilty of nepotism," << ism-istas ! get 'em boys !
pete_dushenski: "not A niggar, THE niggars"
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lol and "i don't want our daughter dating some niggar boy"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: That episode is so funny. Classic. "Look at suzie's baby. She's got them niggar lips!"
asciilifeform: (roughly, cattle - straight to the stalls!)
mircea_popescu: actually discouraging adoption among the welfare horde is probably very useful for bitcoin. it's quite clear that adding nato reich puppets is a marginal loss per capita by now.
asciilifeform: shinohai: enjoy the clean air, while it lasts, eventually the crap artists will find proxies outside aws
asciilifeform: shinohai: aha! they can breathe! and many more interesting folks connected: cn, ru, etc
mircea_popescu: had to, after the nonsense of "soviets" that destroyed russia's fighting capacity in ww1
mircea_popescu: iffy thing. bout half the politruks were popular.
asciilifeform: there were analogous ones everywhere
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ww2, almost certainly in the blitzkrieg phase
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353977 << cheers. and when would these have been from ? wwii ?
asciilifeform: i tried for some years to find a vendor, then gave up
asciilifeform: i loved that machine. it fit in a motherfucking coat pocket
asciilifeform: (because the src packages are no longer available)
asciilifeform: and it is fine to say 'use lynx.' so i did. but turns out that you CAN'T GET the box running 'as if it was 2004' when my libretto happily ran freebsd with no lag
asciilifeform: 'Running Firefox on this machine to browse "modern," Javascript-heavy sites is an excercise in frustration; the 2015 version of CNN.com basically freezes Firefox for 30 seconds or more.'
asciilifeform: in case anyone can be bothered
mircea_popescu: these whats ?
asciilifeform: iirc these are typically delivered as snail mail, victim signs for package
mircea_popescu: "i was keeping backups in the cloud".
mircea_popescu: "the hackers stole it"
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea why the victims actually go along with this charade.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but in a very laughable sense where we DON'T learn the identity of the victim OR anything pertinent re: why he was picked
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 07:11:38; punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/business/dealbook/the-unsung-tax-agent-who-put-a-face-on-the-silk-road.html
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353876 << so cheap is the octopus ink, but so laughably transparent - this idiocy is supposed to make folks forget about the tor 0day ?
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 06:30:22; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353374 << "How is the Politruk doing - as he's pulling down the branch."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other news, dear chan, allow me to introduce... the blue footed booby. http://cdn.earthporm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/blue-footed-booby.jpg
BingoBoingo: Is there a difference
mircea_popescu: mats> anyway, am in the silly valley and wtf its colder here than boston <<< something about how global warming rearranges hot streams and whatnot. #totally-not-random-climatic-noise
BingoBoingo: didn't turn that they know of
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> i am going to go do the dishes, rageclean, watch a movie and bask in the cutefield. <<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE
BingoBoingo: AHA I FOUND THE REAL JUNIPER VILLIAN
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=an+hero | an hero. To commit suicide, regardless of how stupid the reason is or is not. Someone stole Mitchell's iPod, so he became an hero. by 4chananonymous ...
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's what makes them fun ! only a true hero would get behind the wheel of their own personal osprey
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i've only ever had one fast car, and it grated on my nerves 98% of the time as 98% of my driving is under 60 kph.
pete_dushenski: mats: being the token chinese dood isn't a terrible spot.
BingoBoingo: I think ben_vulpes might even beat pete_dushenski in the fast cars department now.
pete_dushenski: thankfully, he leaps ahead of me in coding and rockets (and other things) while i take the lead in, i dunno, travel writing or something, or else no one would be able to keep us straight.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes and i, for example, have waaaay too much in common (similar age, young families, upbringing, even geography's not ~that~ far off), which i'm pretty sure is what leads to our sometimes curt and unproductive tete-a-tetes de temps en temps as we struggle to tease one apart from the other.
pete_dushenski: mats: well, this christmas you can be thankful that you don't have to contest with other chinese doods in b-a for that little niche (yes, there are niches in b-a, as anywhere else).
assbot: [1512.06808] Game Theory (Open Access textbook with 165 solved exercises) ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeiHKm )
mats: anyway, am in the silly valley and wtf its colder here than boston
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/business/dealbook/the-unsung-tax-agent-who-put-a-face-on-the-silk-road.html
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 01:11:01; thestringpuller: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r) << or as the negros sometime say. All pussy feels the same with the lights out.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: when would you date these 'german leaflets' ? ^
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353374 << "How is the Politruk doing - as he's pulling down the branch."
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353372 << "Politruk - a hero of the Soviet Union. You have an empty belly."
BingoBoingo: line 11 in therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151225/ban_aws_crud_3755a8bb0800aa9ec6fdb5f840e67d6cca4ac5cc.sh returns nekkin ip addresses/ranges right?
asciilifeform: odd chapters sov collapse politics; even #'d chapters - theorems
asciilifeform always regarded the timeout as a bug
ben_vulpes: no, the auth timeout.
mircea_popescu: there is no U+000D. it's \x0d
ben_vulpes: the year of microsft's victory, apparently ith.
ben_vulpes: crlf is in the fucking spec?!
ben_vulpes: Finally, there is the form submission value. It is normalized so that line breaks use U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN U+000A LINE FEED (CRLF) character pairs
ben_vulpes: "For historical reasons, the element's value is normalised in three different ways for three different purposes."
phf: well, that's the relevant posting bit echo foo|curl -s -F "content=<-" http://dpaste.com/api/v2/
asciilifeform: but this doesn't crap out the url
asciilifeform: so anybody know the magical --disable-retardation flag for curl ?
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:24:18; nubbins`: CLRF IS THE STANDARD NEWLINE
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 2 with note: Fixed our boxen!
assbot: You rated user phf on 24-Jun-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Well read gent in search of a handler. Bureaucrats and mustachioed young ladies apply within..
asciilifeform: (of the posted payload)
phf: so it's the posting tool's problem
asciilifeform: nothing to do with what happened over the net. it is dirt on your lens.
mircea_popescu: it just so happened that the boundary split the 0a from the 0d in the 2nd case but not in the first, so as to appear matching what i put in there.
ben_vulpes: and in the general case, no.
mircea_popescu: the answer is reallynot.
mircea_popescu: "does this shit even work" was, for the record, a very general inquiry.
ben_vulpes: which SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE omg
ben_vulpes: for what its worth emacs' eww was the most reliable tool for finding wacky line endings
mircea_popescu: i've had it. two hexdumps. for the love of chrissakes.
mircea_popescu: o brother
phf: 0d65 740a are the relevant bits
mircea_popescu: how the everloving fuck am i getting different byte counts
mircea_popescu: which is what i put in there. /r/n ; /n
asciilifeform: 0d 0a motherfuckerz
asciilifeform: the pastebinatron that doesn't mutilate line endings does not presently exist
asciilifeform: the saving part (archive.is)
mircea_popescu: <phf> paste text to b-a-paste, manually post url to log, unless post is in the logs, it's auto expired after n hours << the. entirety. of. this. aready. exists.
asciilifeform: no specific problem. phf wrote down the solution.
mircea_popescu: ok so what's the problem ?
mircea_popescu: you want to read the ftp ?
asciilifeform: this is esp. lulzy in light of earlier thread where mircea_popescu raged at the notion of having to use a tool to read a contract
mircea_popescu: so fix your box then.
asciilifeform: specifically addressing points 1-4 but otherwise identical.
asciilifeform: what the fuck is so hard to understand about wanting a sane version of dpaste ?
mircea_popescu: why do you imagine other people eating involves less chewing than you eating ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only because you want a certain standard. and iuf you do, it will be whether you host it or he hosts it.
asciilifeform: the 'put wherever you want' IS A HUNDRED KEYPRESS OPERATION
mircea_popescu: again. 1. put item wherever you want ; 2. put link in here ; 3. assbot creates the archival link ; 4. if anyone clicks it, it's permadired. if not, not.
asciilifeform: because it doesn't multiply the work i have to do 100x !!!
asciilifeform wasn't trying to make the point that this item is direly necessary, but that phf's scheme is specifically the correct answer
mircea_popescu: so host a public toilet then
mircea_popescu: dude, just make nosuchlabs.com/pastes/ and pipe to there
assbot: Are Mexican Men Only Interested in Having Sex with White Women? - The Unz Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1mj4JMm )
mircea_popescu: ok so then ./foo.pl ssh-to-where-ascii-keeps-things
mircea_popescu: assbot creates the archive link
mircea_popescu: assbot puts out the archive.is thing, if anyone cliocks that, permadir.
pete_dushenski: "The only eyewitness identifications that I can find speak of three white men." http://www.unz.com/article/what-really-happened-in-san-bernardino/ << funny, y'know i also recall the early reports being "shooting by three white men in army fatigues" or some such.
assbot: Hubris, ambition and mismanagement: the first post-mortem of RealTime Worlds - Gamesbrief - Gamesbrief ... ( http://bit.ly/1IuWIOM )
mircea_popescu: http://www.gamesbrief.com/2010/08/hubris-ambition-and-mismanagement-the-first-post-mortem-of-realtime-worlds/
mircea_popescu: "Realtime Worlds is the brainchild of Dave Jones, the creator of Lemmings and one of the few people who can claim legitimately to have been involved in the Grand Theft Auto series since the early days."
asciilifeform: every 24h cron greps the day's log for a link to the post, if doesn't find - deletes.
ben_vulpes: wall scribblings meant for the ages should to into deedbot-, no?
kakobrekla: and it makes the immutability depended on assbot
ben_vulpes: this is an argument for filtering the seawter for gold.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 23:15:12; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: part of the appeal of running a 'pastebin' ~is~ the crud dropped in by the mob. for instance, there is a long tradition of dropping 0days and leaked misc crud on pastebin.
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2015 04:48:32; phf: i think it's ascii's purity concern, rather then space as such. why host someone else's graffiti, etc.
kakobrekla: allocate 1% of the blockchain size and you are good for many years.
phf: i think it's ascii's purity concern, rather then space as such. why host someone else's graffiti, etc.
kakobrekla: anyway space is cheap these days.
phf: it's a pretty laid back option though, you're basically accepting as much third party crud as any regular paste service, but there's a gc that ties the whole thing to log, and culls the turds
phf: yeah, basically requires you to periodically pull kako logs, but that does close the "open to mob" hole
phf: paste text to b-a-paste, manually post url to log, unless post is in the logs, it's auto expired after n hours
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: read the link
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: for the slightly inept, what's the difference between gavinalert and upgradealert ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: note that the former remains in place, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0711
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: another thing. the 'upgrade needed' message is distinct from the turdmeister alert
ben_vulpes: well don't get in the habit of failing to cite sources.
ben_vulpes: did you include a link to my version of the same piece that you wrote?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: btw didja see the link to your summary of changes article ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they're prlly bound by omerta
ben_vulpes: mostly to dismiss my own hypotheses
ben_vulpes: i'd love to hear how he got the mysterious, yes phriendz, rolled in.
asciilifeform: (though who knows whether his phriendz who worked on mircea_popescucoin may also be lurking)
asciilifeform: and the only fella who's seen both is mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: if you read the surrounding lines (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885543, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885551, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885552) the technical nature of the question in question may become apparent.
asciilifeform: does anybody else find it lulzy that there are actually 2 trb's ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you know what version was actually released by the phoundation in june 2012, your requested vintage ? 0.6.3
asciilifeform: (there is/was also 'wx' but it is a shambles)
asciilifeform: it is the ~only~ remaining working cross-platform native-widget graphic lib for cpp.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:13:38; ben_vulpes: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/10/obamas-effort-to-nudge-america-000276 << in which the department of statistics completely forgets about the challenges of untangling correlation from causation
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 03:43:52; mircea_popescu: the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al. i also found an even ~earlier~ mention by mircea_popescu of the "0.6.x is the last useable version" line in the sand : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499837
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 my pleasure and thanks for the correction. i was confusing december 19th entries, it seems. i've updated that section of the trb timeline accordingly.
asciilifeform: e.g. a '90s xerox of the complete works of trofim denisovich lysenko.
asciilifeform: there's mebbe half a tonne of horror show in 3-rings just in this room
asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net/2015/what-is-a-supermarket << somehow i missed this
thestringpuller: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r) << or as the negros sometime say. All pussy feels the same with the lights out.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db << Apparently 21.co is too good for aws <asciilifeform> doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db
asciilifeform: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: not all kittens are the same kitten alfie!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo is anybody gonna qntra the juniper crud ? << If they want to. I dunno if I can do it justice.
thestringpuller: well the "working" one.
asciilifeform: but we aren't there yet.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the correct 'non-enumerative badness' expression is, ultimately, 'don't give cpu cycles out to all-comers'
thestringpuller: didn't that kid end up getting shot/stabbed in the bathroom?
mircea_popescu: or as that kid aptly said (in american history X), "on the internet, YOU'RE the nigger."
mircea_popescu: i actually support throwing a spoke or three in the expectation of jwz that "struff works"
ben_vulpes: notrly the latter.
asciilifeform: on account of the 'easy & cheap'
asciilifeform: presently it is the most pestilential variety of rubbish
thestringpuller: why all the hate on AWS?
thestringpuller: is the ddos machine on or something?
okcupidslut: ahah, give me some minutes then.
mircea_popescu: the problem with headless pics is that well... they'll just get reused later by $randomscammer$
mircea_popescu: the problem is you dun seem to have a head ?
asciilifeform: can't wait for the politruks !
asciilifeform: er, more effectively, and more reliably. (See page 24 for more information on the IC Information Technology Enterprise, otherwise known as ``IC ITE.'') Robust counterintelligence data and analytic tools to monitor, analyze, and audit personnel behavior will be critical to this endeavor.'
asciilifeform: 'The Committee supports substantially enhancing and expediting efforts to deter the insider threat and believes doing so will require an integrated counterintelligence and security apparatus that spans the IC and the U.S. Government. Additionally, the Committee believes the IC's information technology modernization effort--the IC Information Technology Enterprise--must provide the infrastructure to detect insider threats earli
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo is anybody gonna qntra the juniper crud ?
mircea_popescu: some telex machines were distinctive enough that after years one could really tell wtf the message says from across the room
asciilifeform: in fact, whole point of 'p' originally in my head was so that mircea_popescu could have these.
asciilifeform: unless they have a different character set on mars, also called ascii, where - is not 45
asciilifeform: either the start/end marker (as in traditional gpg) or length offset marker (as somebody suggested here)
asciilifeform: incl. the nonprintable ones.
asciilifeform: because if you want to avoid 'malleability', now you have to actually use a tool that shows you the bytes.
mircea_popescu: note however that you can't rely on me reading the "clearsigned" thing with any particular mechanism.
asciilifeform: granted, hex editor will show you immediately why. but the 'plain text is readable without tools' illusion is - just that
mircea_popescu: more importantly, anyone bored can kill themselves figuring out why the fuck i have to do two passes of sed interspersed with a grep to get the dumbass thing to work as intended.
asciilifeform: this whole discussion, every time we have it, really mirrors in my mind the debates i've had with greyhaired non-programming folk who insisted on 'one day we will program in NATURAL LANGUAGE!11111'
asciilifeform: and i still insist that the 'clearness' of 'clearsign' is a jwzism. NO YOU CAN'T actually read the payload 'without tools'. yes, you can put it to a line printer, and get a human-readable page. BUT it will not be WHAT YOU SIGNED! not bitwise, and not mandatorily, and therefore not at all.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: part of the appeal of running a 'pastebin' ~is~ the crud dropped in by the mob. for instance, there is a long tradition of dropping 0days and leaked misc crud on pastebin.
asciilifeform: because, again, the whole 'plain text' jwzism and the attendant retardation. somehow 'lines' are a thing.
ben_vulpes: i am just looking for a sane balance between toilet for the mob and useful tool for the wot.
asciilifeform: or sign every scrap of paper i put in the shredder
mircea_popescu: the #1 most frustrating thing known to man is when computers don't do what you expect them to do.
mircea_popescu: "for the obvious reason"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why did you escape out the fwdslashes ?
mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck is sed -n '/\/start\//,/end/p' dump out the whole pipe instead of just the stuff between /start/ and end ?
mircea_popescu: if it were the case that contracts came in '|tar bottles" reading plain english would be as useful as reading latin.
mircea_popescu: you understand, i hope you do but if you don't i'll explain it, that the only - THE ONLY - reason for literacy is so you can read contracts.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:29:42; mircea_popescu: thinking about it : the one thing i like about dpaste in preference of uploading files is that i don't have to provide a filename.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353205 << or log in, or motherfucking decrypt anything, or hit more than one button !!1111
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:08:22; mircea_popescu: in short, i wisened up to the fact that this particular thing is of the "go big or go home" variety and insistence on peculiar versions of small are a waste of time.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:41:26; mircea_popescu: how about this : only accept gpg-encrypted communications, and only distribute the pubkey to people you like.
asciilifeform: i don't sign my farts either.
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:38:47; ben_vulpes: punkman, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: destestable though they may be for injecting state into the stateless protocol, would a single "signin" page with an assbot-style decryption of OTP that results in a session key authenticating the user to the perlwad be an improvement, and are there better solutions i'm not considering? anonymous drive-by pasting is not a better solution imho.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with v as is.
asciilifeform: but can we have a final bullet in the head of ascii mutilation and magical dashes ?
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 20:35:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353048 << no. this is a color of bits issue ; i couldn't care less what the technological constraints [appear to] be. a contract is a single item, not a text and a separate signature.
mircea_popescu: also why they're fundamentally worthless.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly not it. the difference is that the former STOLE something. a little bit of something, and something that wasn't well bolted down by a legal process. 300 years ago you'd go to jail for pretending to be the mayor ; even today you can go to jail for pretending to be a cop.
mircea_popescu: See the difference? Make some aspect of your product easy and fun to talk about, and make it unique."
mircea_popescu: "And this worked really well for foursquare thanks to the mayorship. If I tell someone Im the mayor of a spot, Im in an instant conversation: What makes you the mayor? Thats lame, Im there way more than you What do you get for being mayor?. Compare that to talking about Gowalla: I just swapped this sticker of a bike for a sticker of a six pack of beer! What? Yes, I am still a virgin.
mircea_popescu: how THE FUCK do you increase engagement and no one cares.
mircea_popescu: how to cheaply and efficiently ensure the ire of people in the wot : charge them for their own shit.
mircea_popescu: the thing i fucking hate about dpaste is the dumbass "select data type" and that they think text is "plain text" and starts with a p.\
mircea_popescu: thinking about it : the one thing i like about dpaste in preference of uploading files is that i don't have to provide a filename.