asciilifeform: is 'bayesian' the new... runcible ?
mircea_popescu: doesnt involve trying to derive probabilities at all, but rather asks the user to just produce your best-informed guess. << and you'd love this precisely because of who you are, and where yo ulive, and what you want to be true.
pete_dushenski: not the kind you'd take home to mom, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: in other words, the us fed is managed way the fuck worse than b-a. because hey, the world is full of "physics phds" that went to fucking mit.
mircea_popescu: "In other words, the Fed, by centralizing stress testing around its own approach, is incentivizing banks to follow suit, which may push them to accumulate similar exposures to one another and to manage them in similar ways, resulting in decreased diversification and increased risk. This is a question raised by particularly prescriptive rules like the Feds 5 percent hurdle, which are simple to monitor but may be just
mircea_popescu: the dutch followed the portuguese, and after their conquest of the offshore platform and re-basing of their ships there....
mircea_popescu: no. the british hadn't yet been invented at that point.
pete_dushenski: british were in sea war with asia as well around the same time, ya ?
mircea_popescu: the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them.
pete_dushenski: when was the age of trade you speak of ?
mircea_popescu: heck, the age of trade was driven by people trying to make their trading house matter more than the ministry of war where all the cavalry officers and junkers hung out.
pete_dushenski: also "hey, check out the sweet gov of mex account we scored. brownie points all around!"
mircea_popescu: "Hitting a markets ceiling like this was something that none of my methodologies accounted for." << because going "hey, my primary's like 20bn, the unwind that might need could easily be 2bn in a week, the whole fuel market's maybe a fifth that, hey check this out I've propped a car with a toothpick overf here"
mircea_popescu: there is the lulzy part where "physics phd" genius boy props up a huge derivative trade with a weak market, an absolute noob mistake - and one his fucking desk should have caught.
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asciilifeform: recall the incident where marshall nedelin and all of his adjutants were so thoroughly cremated that they were recognized by loose shirt buttons
asciilifeform: tell this to the contemporaries, who built many, many failed variations
mircea_popescu: ru is not nearly as aerospace capable as the su was when sputnik, but it's certainly not as bad as it had gotten by 1980
asciilifeform: in which of them ~does~ it match ?!
asciilifeform: (incidentally, maslennikov reveals several levels of shammitude. for instance, according to him, NOBODY actually USED the calculators. they were issued pro-forma. the actual signing was done with a - never officially approved - pc proggy)
mircea_popescu: trade went to commodity-only, which drove the rapid deindustrialization of 93
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu. but why would the exchange rate freeze at that particular time ?
mircea_popescu: exactly same happened in the last days of austro-hungarian empire
asciilifeform: whether stopped for this reason, or because god pressed a button, i do not know.
asciilifeform: the exchange rate of dollar in ruble climbed exponentially
asciilifeform: anyway the complete story was that chechens set up faux transfer, and immediately used the proceeds to buy us dollars
mircea_popescu: for one thing. for the other... obviously they stole all the goats they could, but that didn't really register.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the fake aviso being sole source of chechen money thing certainly is fake
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. and also, the chechen story is mostly a fabrication for internal su consumption.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:43:06; kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.
asciilifeform: to see what i mean, break all vpatches apart on file-hash tuple boundaries, and then feed into mod6's vtron set to wild mode, and generate the plot
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of the original design was this refactoring of patches./
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. but the thing really oughta be more granular
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:39:31; asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 23:06:44; kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – the
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:31:22; assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
asciilifeform: mno you never 'start from here and apply everything' because there can be mutually exclusive branches
mircea_popescu: wait. do i even have to ? "start from here and apply everything from these people" isn't exactly "defined"
asciilifeform: the original question appears to be about whether 'v' ought to take multiple arguments for head. and the answer is yes, but i did not write this because we had only one genesis
punkman: head is what gets arbitrarily toposorted to the top?
asciilifeform: it is simply the place you grab onto and pull out a sequence
asciilifeform: it is the root
ben_vulpes: no, that's the root.
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:29:35; punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that the aviso debacle took place, is not controversial. the debate among historians appears to be about whether a quarter, third, or even half of the budget was stolen, and whether it even makes a difference precisely how much
adlai: ben_vulpes: i would i f i knew the charset
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:11:28; kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354631 << and Tim Mitja Zagar is the first guy with a penis. because he's never seen anyone else's.
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asciilifeform: (process stops when you hit the genesis)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your question is elementarily answerable by looking at the hashes. each file hash exists solely because it came out of another patch. apply recursively.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354604 << just some random noob hitting all the places with his random noobassery.
ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary
kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit.
ben_vulpes: if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S?
asciilifeform: (who designed the little signature machine)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'Back in 1992 $200 billion were stolen from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation with the help of so-called fake letters of advice. Russia was on the brink of a financial collapse. The Central Bank was urgently equipped with more than 10 000 encoders manufactured at Russian plants. It helped to prevent thefts. It should be noted that there were no foreign electronic components in the encoders, even keyp
pete_dushenski: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/rubber-boom-text << another industry dominated by se asia.
asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shall i restate the question?
asciilifeform: oh incidentally the current dependency graph walker is in some ways erroneously conservative
asciilifeform: nothing in it would directly depend on anything in the source
asciilifeform: the example i gave earlier (see logz) was if we were to have a documentation dir
asciilifeform: the only way you could logically press 'multiple heads' is if the heads are from disjoint trees
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i just read the log. it is yet unclear to me what was asked for
adlai: saves you the shithub\
adlai: i mean the thing is amazingly documented, ask specific questions please
adlai: it all began in thefaraway distant land of freenode
adlai pours another
ben_vulpes: adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively?
assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354636 << dunno man, wewracked the logs and there truly was no mention!
ben_vulpes: punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at.
punkman: they are both heads
ben_vulpes: the act of pressing only allows for a single head, regardless of whatever other patches exist.
ben_vulpes: whatever the user supplies for pressing, non?
punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head?
ben_vulpes: <punkman> imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any.
ben_vulpes: and i ain't git either.
ben_vulpes: what?! how can there be more than a single head
punkman: imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3.
ben_vulpes: 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press)
ben_vulpes: there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see:
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
ben_vulpes: rebooting an old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."?
kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution "
pete_dushenski: go smack 'em with a fish then
punkman: "Do I have to be a resident of one of the countries mentioned above? No. You can live anywhere in the world, except of Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea or New York State." lol'd
pete_dushenski: doesn't quite have the same ring to it
punkman: "the quaint quant" would be a good name for a blog
pete_dushenski: "Only by managing that monstrosity through the crisis did I come to fully appreciate how unlike physics markets are, how crucial to outcomes other people and luck are, and how, no matter how hard I worked or how much I prepared, there would always be some things I couldn’t completely fathom."
pete_dushenski: http://nautil.us/issue/31/stress/what-i-learned-from-losing-200-million << "...of other people's money."
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 17:13:39; Quent: I don't think you guys have the brains or funds to carry out these DDoses
ben_vulpes: not from here, thestringpuller
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot thewhet.net is down :(
kakobrekla: USA and embedded in the computer. Original labels were brushed out and Soviet labels were put on the chips instead of them...
kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – they were imported from the
kakobrekla: Soviet high-rank bureaucrats often acted like that when they were ordered to design something new. If they couldn’t cope with the task they committed outright forgery and sometimes it even impaired national defense.
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ben_vulpes: there is a new file in /Applications
mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/27/ceos/ << or, for that matter, a very young bb ?
mircea_popescu: blast from the past... "This mob mentality may be the end of Bitcoin." http://trilema.com/2013/whats-a-sperglord/#selection-151.223-151.267
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes << forfeiture now a fedz-only game << in the logs last week!
ben_vulpes: > plug their shortfall
Duffer1: it's my understanding that they did it for budgetary reasons and may renew the sharing program when the feds plug their shortfall
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ben_vulpes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/23/the-feds-just-shut-down-a-huge-program-that-lets-cops-take-your-stuff-and-keep-it/ << forfeiture now a fedz-only game
adlai waits for thereallifeform to see his message
adlai can't even begin to fathom the 'key management protocol'resulting in such symptoms
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ;;later tell asciilifeform fwiw, proper key management protocol dictates that one mention the new keyid upon registration of the new
asciilifeform: is there a coprophagiaincambodia.com ?
asciilifeform: or do they get sheared off at tunnels.
asciilifeform: does the conductor of that paki train wield a stick with which to dislodge excess 'outdoor passengers' ?
asciilifeform: so the stench of poverty everywhere, without exception
asciilifeform: often i picture how horrified even the most hardened liberast would be if he could visit a meatspace universe that is as devoid of healthy meat-flies separation as the net is today
asciilifeform: what however ~is~ possible is to bugspray the current set of flies
asciilifeform: it is not actually possible to put meat out in the sun 'but not for flies'
asciilifeform: but ultimately there is no way around http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1309343
ben_vulpes: is there reason to suspect that insta-disconnecting nodes will achieve anything rather than queuing the disconnector up for a reconnection shortly?
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2015 04:18:35; mircea_popescu: http://travel.smart-guide.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/The-Most-Crowded-Train-in-Pakistan.jpg prolly better
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the aws box which appeared to exist solely to tie up zoolag - quite aggressively
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way the socket handler works (and fixing this would involve rewriting more or less everything) a 'lingerer' ties up the box.
asciilifeform: is there a particular reason we ought to be wasting any cycles on 'embrace & extend' fucktards ?
BingoBoingo: I know of none, but I've yet to notice any linger once they get all of the copious nothing that they are entitled to
asciilifeform: any reason we don't insta-disconnect these ?
BingoBoingo: banning AWS has more assholes sending me bloomfilter requests for their SPV bullshit
BingoBoingo: Well, it's not like I'm going to expend effort to figure out if the medium.com social networking site has a way to shoot recruitograms out.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354184 << In an update on the recruitment suggested by mircea_popescu yesterday, the recruitogram got a twitter like. Not a visit here nor any actual message in reply.
mircea_popescu: maybe you taking them out generated a micropanic
jurov: mircea_popescu: current price is about right. but there were 2 dips in last few months
mircea_popescu: actually there is a ticket price where everyone WHO SHOULD BE RIDING gets a seat.
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 18:50:33; thestringpuller: "You can't fix a capacity problem with fees. If there are only 20 seats on the bus and 25 people that want to ride there is no ticket price where everyone gets a seat." << I love the lulz on reddit. "We want everyone to be equal because we aren't worth shit in the real world. Treat us fairly!!!!!11"
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354466 <<< definitely Grade-A popcorn out there today.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2014 01:25:41; asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!'
mircea_popescu: the white chicks currently inhabiting it could be trained to dance, i suppose. if you can teach bears you can probably teach argentines too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform argentina is only notable for the landmass. you can fit about five europes in here.
thestringpuller: "You can't fix a capacity problem with fees. If there are only 20 seats on the bus and 25 people that want to ride there is no ticket price where everyone gets a seat." << I love the lulz on reddit. "We want everyone to be equal because we aren't worth shit in the real world. Treat us fairly!!!!!11"
mircea_popescu: apparently all the others somehow got lost in a cloud of "could never happen to me".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the belching smokestacks to usaschwitz ? <<< mongolia, india, pakistan, whatevs. africa, argentina, they're looking.
mircea_popescu: <Quent> personally I suspect Peter Todd and btcdrak << but who the fuck are you to "personally".
asciilifeform: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/10/08/soviet-laser-pistol << famous useless weapon
jurov: it's quite plausible explanation of your shiva hands. you work using hands, while subvocalising on irc at the same time (or other way around)
asciilifeform wonders what other 'best versions' and of what he makes with 'fsb spetznaz plans', and according to whom.
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 18:08:33; VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: someone told me you made the best version based on the fsb/spetsnaz plans true?
jurov: anyone: before panic selling x.eur at 4x the value, please consult me first
VariaVarietatis: heard they have been in use for 10-15 years. at this point.
VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: someone told me you made the best version based on the fsb/spetsnaz plans true?
VariaVarietatis: Yes, they are pretty nice been using one for a two months turns out everyone seems to have them was last one in on them.
asciilifeform: why do you need this ? got some prisoners who like to subvocalize launch codes in their sleep ?
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a commercial gadget for subvocal
VariaVarietatis: Has anyone heard about something that around the t0 and t1 vertebra and lets you talk without talking?
asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
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asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354298 << how's that ? they will move the belching smokestacks to usaschwitz ?
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 17:05:53; mircea_popescu: da fuck ? the chain's well over 150gb
asciilifeform: most of the extant literature concerning dpa is about extracting firmware from copyprotected microcontrollers in a laboratory setting
asciilifeform: the scenario of a dpa attack is where you have possession of the machine, but the enemy controls the power supply
asciilifeform: at the very least, he can make use of it using the machine as it was designed to be used
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you have trouble sourcing batteries not containing usg dpa circuitry, invest in a dental xray machine
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it runs on batteries.
asciilifeform: (and also i will add that trezor has a considerably simpler orifice, but we digress, folks who read the logz know what it is)
assbot: Logged on 27-12-2015 16:46:59; thestringpuller: oh wow. ALF was right on the money using DPA to break the trezor.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354327 << dpa is not only not my idea, but it pre-dates the computer (see, e.g., https://fveydocs.org/document/learning-enemy-gunman concerning typewriters, or the soviet cipher machines that had ballast coils)
asciilifeform: long ago, after the failed american invasion of cuba at the bay of pigs, usg offered a million for the head of castro's #2, half a million for #3, and a penny for castro's
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: there is only 480 listed xtnodes
asciilifeform: there are how many - 1000 ? xt nodes ?
asciilifeform: the ddos of trilema ? qntra ?
Quent: but thought to give you the opportunity to deny it and show just how elite you are...
Quent: you guys behind these DDoses?
mircea_popescu: psa : do not use the gpg supplied mechanism for "key expiration", or anything else from there as far as "key management" goes for that matter.
mircea_popescu: da fuck ? the chain's well over 150gb
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "I didn't know if I wanted to laugh or cry when I went to a class to make sure we knew about this special equipment locked away in out large hospital and how to get/order it. Plus we were told we weren't allowed to call them anything but "bariatric" for fear that the patient or family might overhear it called the "big boy" chair or the 1000lb lift sling, or the XXXXL whatever. "
BingoBoingo: The controversy was if anyone would care enough to do it
mircea_popescu: iirc the point wasn't controversial.
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thestringpuller: Everyone is playing Crucible on r/btc and this pops up: "Playing witchhunt roulette, are we? Then I say: something something Mircea Popescu something."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "Dancers from China's National Pole Dance Team performs in Beiji village, the nation's most northerly point"
mircea_popescu: "Once the clock strikes midnight and EBT cards are charged, you can see our results start to tick up," says Tom Schoewe, Wal-Mart Stores Inc's chief financial officer.
mircea_popescu: hey BingoBoingo do you happen to recall that article in the logs where some honcho at walmart discussed how people mill around in the stoire the midnight before ebt time ?
jurov: orly, vague? why don't you play eulora, then?
adlai would hotlink but maybe that ruins the fun
mircea_popescu: this guy has a torid love affair with the vague.
adlai is left, for lack of charts, trying to figure out the mysteries of trilema's vanishing divs
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ("There's money to be made here, and you're not going to be making it by waiting.")
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
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BingoBoingo: It's been a while since I last proposed this. They just seem to keep blogging on medium.com and occasionally dropping article length comments.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: the rats care. although asciilifeform may be okay with living with vermin, i would prefer to have an exterminator come through.
mircea_popescu: not like it's doing anything anyway. fiddy bucks from sales one way or the other, who cares.
thestringpuller: another nail*
mircea_popescu: i guess the only conclusion possibvle is that su was way the fuck boring-er than ba.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al: maslennikov has a lulzy chapter << by now, "cryptogeeks, their ideas of females and trngs" coulod be a book. wasn't it proposed in the logs orgasm noise be measured?
punkman: asciilifeform: I don't love the tiny keyboards, but as long as it's not on a touchscreen, and I'm not writing novels on it, it seems better than clunky airgapped lenovo
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 02:11:02; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/12/on-19th-day-of-christmas.html << add the 19 ukr fission plants to list-of-thing-you're-no-longer-down-wind-of
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:51:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351451 << i was rather distantly downwind of that. along with most everything else in the civilised world.
thestringpuller: http://nautil.us/blog/chernobyls-hot-mess-the-elephants-foot-is-still-lethal << whoa
asciilifeform: punkman, jurov: i can't speak for other folks, but i learned that i fucking hate thumb keyboardz
jurov: thestringpuller: why?
punkman: its successor doesn't look bad either https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dragonbox_Pyra
asciilifeform: vermin are thermodynamically inevitable
thestringpuller: Is there no rat poison in BTC?
asciilifeform: i had to worry about them ??
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm not talking about usg 'expertz' i'm taling about d00d who lives in his mom's basement rent-free 'expert' who is able to convince 1000 other lemmings he is an expert.
thestringpuller: i had a realization today. i would rather bitcoin be plagued with scammers so the idiot "experts" who seem to know what is best for bitcoin would get scammed.