asciilifeform: ( 1 'downer' -- apparently 'cells' drawn by hand, and then arranged by simple proggy , 'gred' -- but its sores not given in the doc )
asciilifeform: vol.2 p.133-151 pretty interesting, describes how the circuit was mapped out (spoiler: by hand) to the actual cmos.
asciilifeform: imho the so-called 'civilized' world ought to have to answer re why it failed to produce a product like this.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:52 asciilifeform: in ru there are some decent microscopists ( not the 1 phf went to, but apparently others. ) for instance, very recently found that К1801 ( sovok 'pdp-11' single-chip ) was ~not~ in fact a photoclone of dec's (only the early '80s demo ver was!) but , turns out, entirely indigenous orc design, with coupla x ~fewer~ transistors and yet faster max clock
asciilifeform: incidentally, even a very brief look at the 1801 item confirms the troof of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 -- thing defo aint a 'and here is where the ameri-crystal does x' , it's a quite 'fits-in-head' object , very evidently produced from page-long spec of the orig instruction set
asciilifeform would luvvv to read 'ffa-style' incarnation of such a work, where the chip is 'built up' from empty space in ~hour-long chunks. but prolly this won't exist until asciilifeform writes 1..
asciilifeform: and yes it in fact describes operation (incl. physical params) of the ~internal~ blocks , not only the 'user-facing' pins.
asciilifeform: ^ and before mp asks, yes it's combo of manual typewriter and ink pen, and no it won't in a million years ocr, other than by meat ( and is largely schematics / waveforms anyway )
asciilifeform: i'ma mirror those scans, they dun deserve to live in a shithub
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack , the 1801 docs, pretty interesting document from 'techno-political' pov actually -- there does not exist a description like this (operation AND internals) for any reich cpu ever sold. certainly not as a vendor document under 1 cover (not speaking here of ad-hoc reversed tidbits)
asciilifeform: rather than 300,000.
asciilifeform: i.e. what you'd want is to 'self-host' (on iron built for the purpose) a lang where a c, ada, etc. compiler is 3000 ln.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 13:59 mp_en_viaje: basically, c (not the code, nor the language -- the UNIVERSE, all encompassing, the mentalities of all they involved, their cultural productions over the decades, the horses they used and the women they mounted -- the whole universe) is a wart upon reason. like a hemorrhoid or something. you take your wart to the doctor, he ties a string tightly around it and well... it falls off eventually.
asciilifeform: to properly shoot the 'primacy of c' in the head, gotta remove the 'it is where the self-hosting happens' 1st and foremost.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 14:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909401 << whatever else can be said re bolix -- they had the Right Thing pill for this. 'yes you can build a c proggy on this iron; no it won't win you 'speed'.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909527 << currently i suspect that tcc & similar is a mirage; and that an actual serious solution would moar resemble the bolix approach, where you have a proper lisp and a ~compact~ + readable c-to-lisp ~in~ it for use with legacy crapola while-needed
asciilifeform: it is only interesting from the pov where e.g. asciilifeform bought small crate of k1801bm2 , and reasonably certain they aint modern fakes ( if i ever end up using'em, i'ma decap 1 at random & see.. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909541 << the published sores aint especially interesting, aside from archaeological pov ( if you have fpga -- yer product is only as clean as that fpga, and there aint any clean ones gettable ; and if there were, why wouldja want to simulate a pdp11 in it ?? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909530 << iirc the orig problem was that the published musl gentoo starter culture trinque began working from, was built on gcc6 , which won't build 4.x (and therefore full replication involves stepping 6 -> 5 -> 4.9 )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 18:18 asciilifeform: really the only reason ru has any working weapons systems at all is that they were all designed in '70s-'80s sovok and run on 4uM 'k1801'
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 14:23 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'snip out timestamp nonsense from gcc' thing has been itching since '15
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909440 << this would involve getting binutils under our control - bigger part of these timestamps are added by ar/ld; tbh i even dunno if gcc is responsible for this at all.
PeterL: could one host a bin of the ave1 gnat?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 19:44 bvt: the problem with these both approaches is that it's impossible to get gnat/ada that way - gnat was bootstrapped from some commercial ada compiler in ~1994, and is self-hosted since that times. (well, impossible by definition with just tcc)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:03 trinque: if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there
bvt: the problem with these both approaches is that it's impossible to get gnat/ada that way - gnat was bootstrapped from some commercial ada compiler in ~1994, and is self-hosted since that times. (well, impossible by definition with just tcc)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 13:54 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909254 << nah, not worth doing. the approach is probably to find some other way, tcc or w/e, to replace the gcc step-by-step peeling of layers of filth.
lobbes: After that, I'm going to start working on re-implementing the auto-bidding functionality (which will also be a vpatch)
lobbes: next up on my conveyor is to publish a vpatch for the auctionbot proper, as right now I've only provided the 'command router' it sits on. I aim to have that out by Sunday the latest
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 15:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, kinda why the insistence on "republic is political -- you can't just do tech thing" etc. and why dual court-and-manor function of lord. and so on.
lobbes: just to give an update: I've been taking the last few weeks to tend to the manor side of things (however, I'm current on logz)
BingoBoingo: I lack direct experience in this, though I recall reading a few reports that the Confusious cancer was endemic in conversation among the washed.
asciilifeform: the 'no paragraph w/out confucius' is moar in re written lit.
BingoBoingo: Well, leverage that to the Chinense language in use not allowing for the "Todo bien" "Todo bien" exchange without situation dependent literary references to Confusious[sic].
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc these tend to be seriously-advanced cases of christianity of the central nervous system, and fixated on the bit re 'great flood' etc
BingoBoingo: Prolly not so different from the folks seeing US going to shit that decide to hoard decades of canned foods instead of leaving.
asciilifeform: ( which makes approx same amt of sense as all other attempts to create 'unwet water', but i have nfi what the psychology is )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-17 15:42 mircea_popescu: matches well that group of "transsexuals" who evidently enough are so preoccupied with cunt, they just want one of their own. about as "transsexual" as the compulsive gambler who buys himself a slot machine for his "den" is "transeconomic",
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect they are attempts to 'build own miami', in the spirit of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-17#1903015
BingoBoingo suspects the one state different systems treatment of Chinese "special administrative regions" is an effect of the anti-strategic Chinese languages. They want resort playground with different rules to play and hedge in, when the leases expired back to them they just sorta let the places happen.
BingoBoingo: The Chicoms love gambling like trailer trash loves OD'ing on whatever the drug current decade happens to be
BingoBoingo: The lack of a strategy doesn't keep magic casino place on the coast with odd political status from happening.
asciilifeform: the chinese by all appearances are 'greedy algorithm', with no notion of strategy to speak of, nor any detectable ideological spine.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-18 04:25 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at this pt i'm not even convinced that there ~is~, or could be, a 'chinese strategy', or 'they want..' -- these folx have not developed a with-what to want , whole edifice reduces to individual party-appointed directors' desire for miami
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i rather doubt
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/us-prepares-to-tackle-illegal-immigration-with-facial-recognition-wank-for-folks-leaving-the-us/ << Qntra -- US Prepares To Tackle Illegal Immigration With Facial Recognition Wank For Folks LEAVING The US
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a 'miamistan' in the essence is where the brass occupies self primarily with padding foreign acct , buying villas in reich, setting up their spawn to same, etc
asciilifeform: re: current-day ru -- despite the 'pr' and the appearance of 'uppitiness', it is still a miamistan. the '90s did not actually end there.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what i dunget is whythefuq he was in londonistan to begin with << Well the extradition circus should be lulzy. Appears on the surface at least to be alienating some of the Germans.
asciilifeform: tbf ~same can be said for usg, where -- similarly -- the only '100% uptime' items are pdp11/microvax/etc where likewise '70s-'80s lsi and likewise no net etc
asciilifeform: errything which ~does~ hang off the net there, is same familiar shitware as in reich, i presently know of no evidence of an exception existing.
asciilifeform: ( and that none of these hang off the net, elementarily on acct of clock too slow to run even 10M/s nic.. )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:52 asciilifeform: in ru there are some decent microscopists ( not the 1 phf went to, but apparently others. ) for instance, very recently found that К1801 ( sovok 'pdp-11' single-chip ) was ~not~ in fact a photoclone of dec's (only the early '80s demo ver was!) but , turns out, entirely indigenous orc design, with coupla x ~fewer~ transistors and yet faster max clock
asciilifeform: really the only reason ru has any working weapons systems at all is that they were all designed in '70s-'80s sovok and run on 4uM 'k1801'
asciilifeform observes that 6y after snowdenism, ru still runs on winblowz, the mythical 'elbrus' still ~unobtainable (and likely the demo units run poettering-linux) , etc
trinque: I take it snowden wasn't the only guy popping around on internal NSA machines and they saw him coming
trinque: could've cut the facade and booked it to moscow like snowden
asciilifeform: what i dunget is whythefuq he was in londonistan to begin with
trinque: also nordicsystem chicks can be groupies too! and other laughable moves
trinque: dunno what the guy thought he had coming, trying to play the "freedom of the press is real!!1" line
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-martyrdom-of-st-julian.html
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909472 << Well he had his opportunities to demonstrate helpfulness, but apparently he has issues with that. Anyways the locals obsess over the "careers" they get in school, have the very US pre-2008 expectation that they get to neatly slot into those careers (not that this worked in the US outside of that brief window in the 1950s, but the 2008 crisis is when the media narrative changed to counter the
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909375 << This was exceptional in that it involved the uniform wearing sort of troop as opposed to the known to be incredibly successful irregular forces.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 17:06 PeterL: you don't just have to get the vacuum, you also have to vaporize the water
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909338 << he has a point ; you're still paying the lambda heat no matter what method you're paying it through. 15k is 15k.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 17:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here's an old asciilifeform crackpottery : why exactly can't one buy clothes dryer that runs on vacuum pump, instead of heater.
mp_en_viaje: not even limited to marksmanship. it's just a general... look, if you're gonna be the sorta guy who uses rifle, guess who you sleep with at night.
mp_en_viaje: if there's one dood in a hundred in whose case the gun's the weak link in the gun-gunner dipole, it's a wonder.
mp_en_viaje: of course, the problem with "terrible gun" is that 99.9x% of users are such fucking shit, the gun's shortcomings don't even show in the end product.
mp_en_viaje: rarely seen state of affairs at us gun shops ; generally gun worth 3-500 selling for 1-2k. sks surely worth the 300.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:40 PeterL: I was in a gun store in 2010, they had an SKS for $120, but I didn't get it, wish I did, now they run about $450 around here
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:35 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 << are you shooting the raccoons with a SKS, or am I mistakenly mixing these log lines together?
asciilifeform: ( afaik that's the only source of nondeterminism , at least for particular frozen gcc pov )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'snip out timestamp nonsense from gcc' thing has been itching since '15
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:20 trinque: would be great to see ave1 take this on, and then perhaps get deterministic bins. could cut official ISOs from there
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909282 << at the very least a well documkented failed attempt will provide plenty of most informative tidbits.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:18 trinque: in fact, now that caught, repair *should* commence. gcc is the best first thing to fix.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909277 << possibly ; though also rather large and involved. but we see.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was built to be debugged, it their 1st (and last) piece of in-house silicon
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, "arbitrary', yes. the sorta arbitrary we do here, only called that in the sense i am not about to engage the relativistic dorkitudes of pantsuited morons.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not entirely arbitrary, there was a ~massive~ increase in bulk + documented wtf's at 5.0
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909271 << we picked 4.something as an arbitrary cutoff at some point illo tempore, through a mostly passive schelling / ad hoc agreement procedure. whatever the merits of the actual spot picked -- picking MULTIPLE ones is bad in the sense you get the downside multipled and nothing else.
asciilifeform: little flex pcb thing, inserts under the 'ivory' and brings the signals out to analyzer.
asciilifeform: 1st item tho will be to bake the cpu interposer i drew up the day i got the seekritdirt.
mp_en_viaje: AND, with all the experience from ffa, you actually got what you need as a basis to actually make that megaspire work.
mp_en_viaje: alright, well, month's not bad -- by the time you're done with ffa you can start a mega-bolix series.
asciilifeform: ( will add 'rotate' and 'conventional exponent' , that's it for them )
asciilifeform: i dun expect to make any major changes to the numerics, however
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at least month -- there's a heavy piece i haven't even started yet -- keccak
a111: Logged on 2019-04-01 14:08 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform nao has what appears to be full pinout, timing, bus sequence, register, init magic, interrupts, etc. spec for bolix 'ivory' (won't, presently, say from where, unless source wants to be cited, plox to write in. )
asciilifeform: i've been slowly eating the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-01#1906471 + relateds, and seeing exactly how this was baked, it is quite interesting.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 13:59 mp_en_viaje: basically, c (not the code, nor the language -- the UNIVERSE, all encompassing, the mentalities of all they involved, their cultural productions over the decades, the horses they used and the women they mounted -- the whole universe) is a wart upon reason. like a hemorrhoid or something. you take your wart to the doctor, he ties a string tightly around it and well... it falls off eventually.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909401 << whatever else can be said re bolix -- they had the Right Thing pill for this. 'yes you can build a c proggy on this iron; no it won't win you 'speed'.'
mp_en_viaje: i suppose this is not even vaguely new, at least not to people familiar with politics. http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/articole/frati_radicali.html is from 1890s ; but otherwise, the "very principled and intransigent opposition politician" is... well... http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/momente_si_schite/unchiul_si_nepotul.html
mp_en_viaje: when push comes to shove, the dude writing the page about "how to fix c" that seemed sane on superficial examination will come out as exactly the same mind as what produced the problem in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: i confess i had hoped this may solve itself ; but then again c evidently only attracts a certain kind of person. whatever it may be they ~say~, whenever it seems
mp_en_viaje: nobody does micro-surgery to re-allign the tiny rectal blood vessels and remove the hernia that caused the hemorrhoid in the first place. i don' tthink we should either, but rather, discover some working and workable string.
mp_en_viaje: basically, c (not the code, nor the language -- the UNIVERSE, all encompassing, the mentalities of all they involved, their cultural productions over the decades, the horses they used and the women they mounted -- the whole universe) is a wart upon reason. like a hemorrhoid or something. you take your wart to the doctor, he ties a string tightly around it and well... it falls off eventually.
mp_en_viaje: but it seems doubtless that on the long term, the eulora-style of "isolate, strangle and diminish" approach is the only way to handle c. rather than provide support for it, produce some kind of small and compact translator that permits most of the "features" it "offers" to die quietly while not getting in our way in any major sense.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 19:58 mircea_popescu: bvt, http://archive.is/febOU#selection-255.67-255.135 challenge specifically offers you excellent entry point : there's a bunch of contact details available, what's "me" resolve to as a provision endpoint.
mp_en_viaje: just because the entire "mes" thing turned out to be a single dude who further turned out to be a moron does not immediately resolve the matter of whether tcc can be bent into usable shape ; nor whether it should be confiscated wioth a view towards such bending.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:03 trinque: if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909254 << nah, not worth doing. the approach is probably to find some other way, tcc or w/e, to replace the gcc step-by-step peeling of layers of filth.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 15:03 asciilifeform: i.e. i was able to build conventional gentoo ( per my old recipe ) w/out any such thing in the mix
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:03 mircea_popescu: "/* The count field we have in the main struct object is somewhat limited, but should suffice for virtually all cases. If the counted value doesn't fit, re-write a zero. The worst that happens is that we re-count next time -- admittedly non-trivial in that this implies some 2M fdes, but at least we function. */"
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 14:29 spyked: asciilifeform, unfortunately 2GB (max. supported by motherboard) might still not be enuff. ideally I would plug in ave1 gnat build and use it to build a minimal system, but will prolly have to bootstrap the whole thing on another machine.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-22#1909246 << holy shit what the fuck's the point of all the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897508 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897508 etc etc shenanigans, if they don't fit in a fucking 2147483648 byteschunk!
mp_en_viaje: in other sweet : apparently hotel had fire drill while we were away.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 00:00 asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated heathen lulz : asciilifeform found an -- apparently working -- usb 'serial device' stack for ice40 . only eats 1/3 of the LUTs in the '8k', too.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 03:37 mircea_popescu: Mocky, there's a usg-reservation in mexico. there's however also the headquarters of the only military force to humiliate the usg at home to date, they pretty much conquered the old mexican lands well into arizona.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-21 20:56 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/mexican-troops-draw-weapons-make-us-soldiers-their-bitch-on-us-side-of-rio-grande/ << Qntra -- Mexican Troops Draw Weapons, Make US Soldiers Their Bitch On US Side Of Rio Grande
mp_en_viaje: i dunno if you know the subtext there, but anyway, at some point in the 90s romanians got REALLY butthurt someone thought budapest is the capitol.
mp_en_viaje: well, either that or marakesh.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-21 20:53 asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/the-egeszsegfejlesztesi-pont/#selection-113.185-113.231 << lol he did bring the merc ?!
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909189 << naah. also left behind all sorta electronics etc. it's nonsensical to take peaches to the orchard.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 16:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-08 17:01 BingoBoingo: In other happy news, ben_vulpes may appreciate... Rodrigo is no longer with Latecho
BingoBoingo: In other olds becoming news Rodrigo of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840381 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847576 sent me a message out of the blue inquiring how the business is going.
BingoBoingo: I get the sun and wind. Even somewhat sheltered from most rain. More wind can be summoned with the heat pump too. For just about everything except demin it works.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have neighbours who use clotheslines; the prob is that these ~dunwork ~atall over here 4-5 months of year
BingoBoingo: I've got a clothing fork on the balcony that holds quite a bit, but denim just doesn't seem to dry completely before dew falls i the night and gets it wet again.
PeterL: I think you are underestimating the power that you would need for this
asciilifeform: rright cuz otherwise it'd eat 5kw
asciilifeform: PeterL: why wouldja want to run the pump on gas?!
asciilifeform: lol whythefuq
BingoBoingo: Same reason you can't get borosilicate in the US outside of flea markets, drugwar.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here's an old asciilifeform crackpottery : why exactly can't one buy clothes dryer that runs on vacuum pump, instead of heater.
BingoBoingo: I don't much anymore. Towels coming out of the wash buckets dry faster than jeans.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 13:12 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner; and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness; how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902839 << Am I the only one who wears jeans here? I find them comfortable and they are sturdy, good for getting work done.
asciilifeform: iirc sovok was 1st to chrome inside , they carried on using corrosive hg-based primer in shell long past when others quit
PeterL: I thought it was everybody but yugo's chrome the barrel?
asciilifeform: at 1 time, they were sold in usa for next to nuffin, aha
PeterL: I was in a gun store in 2010, they had an SKS for $120, but I didn't get it, wish I did, now they run about $450 around here
asciilifeform: where there was a d00d in old-style austrohungarian uniform but with old sovok rifle
BingoBoingo: The old women are upset so they say "bad for children" just like in old country. And new mayor of Montevideo hasn't even been on the job for a whole month.
lobbesbot: PeterL: Sent 1 day, 16 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <billymg> yup, if you want the patch that fixes svg image links you can grab mp-wp_update-image-references-to-svg from here http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= - although i recommend going for the latest patch on that page
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909210 << are you shooting the raccoons with a SKS, or am I mistakenly mixing these log lines together?
BingoBoingo: "Stink of the Children!"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The tards started their appeal to INAU, the agency for child and adolescent matters
BingoBoingo: Las Jineteadas are like bullriding, except bulls are sacred cattle here so instead they piss off some horses and proceed from the bullriding premise
asciilifeform: lol, is this the usual 'ohnoez, what if a legate from clintonistan sees a dead horse!111' ?
BingoBoingo: And the locals now want to ban the last cowboysport left in the Country over two dead horses https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/jineteadas-una-tradicion-apoyada-por-el-estado-en-jaque-tras-las-muertes-de-caballos-en-el-ruedo-2019421201657
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: refuel scheduled, nao waiting' for the traditional telephonic tea ceremony from bank etc
a111: 2019-02-19 <ave1> Btw asciilifeform, I had to switch my cheap NFS account to a more expensive one as php 5.6 is no longer supported in their new setup. I expect that sometime, at the end of this year, 5.6 will also disappear from "production" sites.
trinque: would be great to see ave1 take this on, and then perhaps get deterministic bins. could cut official ISOs from there
asciilifeform: has anyone attempted to build the whole orchestra on ave1's gcc ?
trinque: in fact, now that caught, repair *should* commence. gcc is the best first thing to fix.
trinque: it does not mean that all must e.g. not substitute their own gcc. it just means that this ground, however undesirable, will not be lost like every other time I said "eh gonna go install another gentoo"
trinque: anyhow, my project here was to take a snapshot of a working gentoo musl, i.e. a snapshot of the work of others. I intentally kept myself out of the chain of custody of all deps.
asciilifeform: trinque: speaking moar from concrete than theoretical pov -- gcc5 has documented 'optimizations' that remove bounds checks
asciilifeform really must dust off the old notes and try this with own hands; the presence of gcc5 in the build bothers asciilifeform not only from 'practical' but from thompsonistic pov
trinque: http://distfiles.gentoo.org/experimental/amd64/musl/ << yep, they purge them pretty aggressively
asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand , orig problem is that the stage3 shipped a gcc6 ?
trinque: what I'd *really* like is a binary-reproducible gcc of any stripe, and to create an official image from that, have others duplicate
asciilifeform: trinque: do you perchance have the thread handy
trinque: if somebody finds a way of leaping directly from gcc6 to 4, I'll applaud him, but I'm not burning any more hours of life in there
trinque: reason is in the logs.
asciilifeform: i.e. i was able to build conventional gentoo ( per my old recipe ) w/out any such thing in the mix
asciilifeform: spyked: i admit that i still dunget why it needs the gcc5 step
spyked: asciilifeform, unfortunately 2GB (max. supported by motherboard) might still not be enuff. ideally I would plug in ave1 gnat build and use it to build a minimal system, but will prolly have to bootstrap the whole thing on another machine.
diana_coman: ugh; I hate rats as it is, no need for bigger ones; that being said, I can already picture the euloran "stan's layr" complete with lumber-electronics a la http://ossasepia.com/2018/06/26/euloras-own-cr50/ and weird rats/trash pandas to fight for resources.
diana_coman: I actually like hedgehogs but if it didn't have enough brain to roam the gardens only...
asciilifeform: i nealy asked 'why wouldja shoot a hedgehog' but then reread lol
diana_coman: I had only one instance of a crow-eating-eyes-out-of-roadkill-hedgehog but I was sadly in a hurry and by the time I came back there was no trace of it left
asciilifeform sadly did not happen to have any of the requisite type, or would've put in
asciilifeform: circa 2010 or so. visit the flea market.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-17 16:24 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ?
spyked: and in http://trilema.com/2019/the-egeszsegfejlesztesi-pont/#selection-153.0-158.0 lulz <-- /me was looking for more photos of this wonderful town, stumbled upon http://archive.is/cXfL7 ; notbad trolling
spyked: meanwhile, asciilifeform's lappie arrived last week, I'ma encuntooate it soon. I expect it'll be a bit of a challenge to compile on 1GB of RAM: cuntoo bootstrapping sadly requires building gcc-5, which iirc asks for more than that. either way, I'ma put this on the list as the next item to document.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 05:08 spyked is off into the mountains
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 01:57 asciilifeform: mod6: if you want to talk to a ttl-usb serial dongle, you gotta match one of the classical baud rates, or you get rubbish (and not the desired rubbish, either, but patterned rubbish -- or nothing at all)
asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated heathen lulz : asciilifeform found an -- apparently working -- usb 'serial device' stack for ice40 . only eats 1/3 of the LUTs in the '8k', too.
BingoBoingo: Most of them already vaccinated, but... Excuse to stand in line for one to six hours (Other ways without the wait, but they insist on the van where the line is).
BingoBoingo: Not everywhere as in the mumps outbreak last year in the Cowork. As in, bitches be panicking and lining up for vaccination vans.
asciilifeform: ever since they decided that vaccine is work of devil, i suppose
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 06:21 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129644482406982@naggum.no.html << this exchange with fare is pretty amusing/informative both wrt "who is this francois-rene rideau character ?" and as an early "bitcoin improvements from the sewer" sampler/potputre.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-20#1909143 << if he had bought it 10y ago, perhaps erlang would still be usable today, nearly as-found, like gnat . but sadly lived long enuff to deliver it to the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764882 people..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-21#1909179 << can't resist to bite into this : chicago also has '5star' w/out bathtub. seen with own eyes. as for bidet, iirc 1 time some hotel magnate had'em installed, and it caused puritanwank on front pages of the fishwrap, hastily removed. ( iirc was in fact chronicled in an ancient mircea_popescu piece ! )
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/mexican-troops-draw-weapons-make-us-soldiers-their-bitch-on-us-side-of-rio-grande/ << Qntra -- Mexican Troops Draw Weapons, Make US Soldiers Their Bitch On US Side Of Rio Grande
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 10:01 diana_coman: I wanted to ask whether Bartholomew went back to its roots!!
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/the-egeszsegfejlesztesi-pont/#selection-113.185-113.231 << lol he did bring the merc ?!
mp_en_viaje: they were pretty darned good.
billymg: as in, the more you experience without achieving contentment the more you realize contentment won't come from those things/experiences
billymg: but does one, at the point of experiencing most of what the world has to offer in terms of material comforts, eventually lump all of these together and separate them from.. i want to say, "true comforts"?
mp_en_viaje: the more you see, the more you like, the more you like, the less likely it becomes it can all be piled in the same place. thus experience is the enemy of contentment.\
mp_en_viaje: then if he goes on to pittsburg, becomes less impressed by akron, and then on to new york and even less impressed by either p or a ; and then on to whatever, europe, where they have sane heating and sane window systems and no town in the us can ever satisfy again, becasuse why would these morons use wrong windows omfg wtf is wrong with people. and so on and so following.
mp_en_viaje: as in, country bumpkin will be impressed by akron. the mechanism of the impressing's not akron, but bumpkin ; even though self-loving like all derps, the bumpkin assigns it to akron.
billymg: sorry, meant that as a question before fingers slipped on the keys
mp_en_viaje: myeah. in this sense, experience is the enemy of contentment.
mp_en_viaje: pre-giuliani ny was almost still passible ; though the people who still recalled the borscth belt as personal experience likely wouldn;t have agreed
mp_en_viaje: the problem with the room service is that it's only decent if you never had anything else ; much like prison food. and pretty expensive at that.
billymg wishes he could've been around for the ny mp_en_viaje speaks of
mp_en_viaje: it's been going to shit ever since. definitely ever since the 70s, which is as far as my directly-mediated experience reaches ; but i suspect downward movement started much earlier. with lincoln's victory against america, perhaps.
mp_en_viaje is working on a mega travel article, in other news.
billymg: yep yep, esthlos' guide explicitly mentions including mysql, apache2 in the use flags for php (my post mentioned neither as it somewhat relied on esthlos' as the base)
mp_en_viaje: i suppose gd should go on the requirements list.
billymg: mp_en_viaje: 5.6.36 on my local and 5.6.38 on the server. but it wasn't because of the php version, it had to do with the "gd" library being included or not. i.e. when i emerged php on the server gd wasn't in the use flags, so it wasn't included
mp_en_viaje: did they regress meanwhile or what happened ?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-20 19:59 billymg: anyway, i updated php on my server to include gd and it indeed works fine. so for now the latest patch for mp-wp is the one i personally recommend/support
billymg: anyway, i updated php on my server to include gd and it indeed works fine. so for now the latest patch for mp-wp is the one i personally recommend/support
billymg: my local install of php had gd support and so it worked there
billymg: i tracked it down to my server's version of php not being built with the gd library for image processing, so when an image was uploaded it wasn't able to produce the alternate sizes, and so the options to select those sizes were disabled
a111: Logged on 2019-03-31 19:37 billymg: this _may_ be a result of the patch, in which case a regression. will dig in
a111: Logged on 2019-03-31 19:26 mircea_popescu: billymg, : "Size Thumbnail Medium Large Full size (560 × 420)" only permits me the 560x420 upload. ideally should have also a thumbnail or two, you know ? sometimes that works better. i suspect this comes from settings
billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-31#1906362 http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-31#1906383 << for anyone waiting in suspense, i was able to confirm that this was _not_ a regression from the patch removing tinymce
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> in other news, the qntra shit's been pretty lulzy. srsly, my used condoms issued an "arrest warrant" ? awww! << tyvm
mp_en_viaje: in other news, the qntra shit's been pretty lulzy. srsly, my used condoms issued an "arrest warrant" ? awww!
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-18#1909099 << this is actually the important side-effect of correctly made exemplars -- that they're exemplary. "if you're familiar with the exemplar, neither will you be surprised in a new land by something that oughta be there but you didn't think of it, nor by something that oughtn't be there and you thought it oughta."
mp_en_viaje: notably enough, there's precisely three generations notwithstanding the six editions : 3668576, 3733059 and 3764595.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-18 16:53 trinque: http://trilema.com/2019/antiqua-sanctorum-patrum-or-the-lordship-list-sixth-year/ << I have updated deedbot's rolls to reflect. Congrats to bvt and Mocky !
BingoBoingo: Fellow produced an interesting archaeological example of what happens to passive heathens then the Woes hit their altcoins https://mydayinuy.com/2019/02/20/20244/
BingoBoingo: Found in the wild: Other gringo's calendar https://mydayinuy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/UY-closed-1.gif
asciilifeform believer in 'proggy may not be the spec' dictum. in the arithmetic chs, however, there is no spec beyond e.g. 'multiply these two numbers in constant spacetime', which has simple unambiguous meaning.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: right. ( and in the peh-related later ch.s, the text is actually the 'official' spec , and not the proggy )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the text helps esp. in conveying your intention/focus as it were; it's true that one could understand FFA just with the code but that doesn't mean that the posts don't help.
asciilifeform: fwiw i suspect that not only the diagrams, but the text, is optional : it aint a very complicated proggy, and patient reader could in principle grasp it w/out a cribsheet
diana_coman: fwiw I start with the algebra and only then, if I need to, I will refer to - better yet, make my own - diagrams; in this case my note was simply a reminder "diagrams there do not match internals + shift_left/right convention here so do own/flip/ignore"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: there was nowhere not even for 1 sec any idea of "oh noez, redo drawings", just in case it's not clear; the start is still the algebra anyway and that's the correct way of thinking about it to my mind, not any convention left or right (and in this sense, if anything, I'd rather change the shift_left/shift_right for all their being ancient and all that).
BingoBoingo: Congrats on the lordings bvt and Mocky
asciilifeform: possibly there's a deeper 'meta' point in this thread, i.e. that the final stage of fitting a mechanism in-head, is when you rewrite it with own hands, in the notation of ~your~ choice, so that the orig author's arbitrary conventions (and it is impossible to write anyffin nontrivial w/out ~some~ personal convention) dun rub the skin off yer feet.
asciilifeform: this is really about all i have to say on the subj.
asciilifeform: folx who do not like that the e.g. ch10 electrical diagram goes left-right , can a) draw own b) look strictly at the algebra , as asciilifeform did when wrote it to begin with , i do not have a year to spend on redrawing'em mirrored.
asciilifeform: there's no 'endianism' in the proggy, there is not a possibility that tape written on 1 box is interpreted differently on another, by design. this is the beginning and end imho of correct approach to the q.
asciilifeform: to sum up the thread, asciilifeform's 'official' position is that this entire subj is exactly naggum's 'tooth licking' -- it is problem only if someone fixates on thinking of it as problem.
asciilifeform: mod6: 'x and 1' gives you the 1s bit, dun matter what yer iron is made of
mod6: Well, fwiw, I'm trying to not load in any Cisms or other pantsuit liquidshit into my understanding of FFA. So when reading it, I'm trying to approach it somewhat like a babe. And I thought that I had it at least, mentally fitting in my head the way it is today.
asciilifeform: i'll add, however, that ffa does not use byte-addressing or bit-addressing, if you were to build a machine where either is in whatever direction, and write a (standard-compliant) ada for it, ffa will work same way.
asciilifeform: bit 0 is the 'ones' bit , on errything built from 1958 or so to present day
asciilifeform: actually 'endianism' dun belong in the discussion at all, and it is serious mistake to include it -- it refers to how ~bytes~ are positioned in byte-addressable machines