mircea_popescu: ^inept fuckiing shit. who the fuck thinks this is how it works ?
mircea_popescu: ./bitcoinrpc.h:// Copyright (c) 2011 The Bitcoin developers
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> but we're not there yet. so far, prepping a list of magic numbers. <<
asciilifeform: boost is used in trb for iterators, for the most part
asciilifeform: (boost exists largely because cpp is not actually programmable in without using something like boost. which has been largely incorporated into the recent standard.)
mircea_popescu: five or so steps below. but gotta start where the seafloor is, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: but we're not there yet. so far, prepping a list of magic numbers.
asciilifeform: but then realized that this would lead us into perdition
Terry4: Did you see the strategy about subsiding bitcoin miners to stay on the original BTC, (as a last case scenario to defeat any alt-chain)?
asciilifeform: incidentally not so long ago i felt the desire to rewrite chunks of trb to abolish boost
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it\'s the stuff bee larva get fed to become sluts rather than housewives.
mircea_popescu: ./main.cpp- for (;;) << i don't get it, if it's going to do plain for(;;) why the fuck does it want the fancy boost_foreach ?
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asciilifeform: some of them were pretty interesting folk
mircea_popescu: well... what'd you call them ? seems quite apt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ioan p. reminds me, there really oughta be some good material floating about re: the 20th c. chinese 'warlords' (as they are for some reason called in english world)
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asciilifeform: at any rate, it is perfectly safe for a king to entertain himself by being a blacksmith, or a sailor - as peter the great did
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and even mircea_popescu apparently does, on occasion. << actually that dpaste earlier was the first time in at least 10 years.
asciilifeform: the whores are respectable.
mircea_popescu: and the idea is inept. yes i know a lot of "respectable folk". i also know a lot of common whores. and everything in between.
asciilifeform: and from mircea_popescu's articles i get the impression that his meatspace friends are respectable folk, 'high power' lawyers, traders, etc. rather than cpp connoisseurs
asciilifeform: but in all seriousness, clever folk who strike gold in whatever form, who programmed, tend to gravitate away from it - iirc mthreat is doing a sane thing, flying old ru jets, rather than dredging through cpp crud
asciilifeform: i'd be worried if mircea_popescu ~did~ see merit, would suspect that the universe is coming unglued
mircea_popescu: i can't say i see merit in any of these propositions.
asciilifeform: but as far as i'm aware, there is no biological 'programmer race'
asciilifeform: it is a hypothesis with much predictive power, and is not altogether different from aristotle's position on whether kings ought to learn blacksmithing
asciilifeform: it is rather like asking why circus acrobats are odd folk
asciilifeform: and that this is the prime mover of it all.
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu ever wonder about the scarcity of code written by sane folks ?
asciilifeform: now i've never actually met a chess-boxer. but it would not astonish me if i learned that they keep the company of other boxers and regard actual Großmeisters, who devoted their lives to chess, as effete lusers.
asciilifeform: 'polymath' i suspect would describe most of the folks here. but the point i was trying to make is that in many ways certain aspects of mircea_popescu's picture in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379901 are intrinsically opposed
asciilifeform: there is nothing wrong with this.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: heinlein was... a story-teller.
asciilifeform: and one of the problems with 'free men' is that growing up as one tends to result in 'an aristotle' - aristocrat, who may be a very sharp fella but is not especially handy with 'slave crafts' and would normally not stoop to, e.g., programming a computer
thestringpuller: this reminds me of the heinlein quote: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for i
asciilifeform: for the most part, nature does not deal in chimeras.
asciilifeform: yes, there are folks who are serious chessboxers. but for some reason i've never heard of such a fella winning a world chess OR boxing title.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: and can't automate this, because will be sacked, as pictured in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 ?
thestringpuller: my job usually devolves into copy-pasting from one terminal to another for hours at a time.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nah, that's harmless fun in comparison
thestringpuller: does that involve taking it up the butt regularly for money?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you knew what i do for money today you would barf to death.
thestringpuller: you could always go the gavin route and beg MIT for money.
mircea_popescu: the man who had a working plane and no boat made himself a leaky boat that couldn't fly. then the japanese bombed him.
thestringpuller: so if we provide asciilifeform 's meals then he is freed from imprisonment?
asciilifeform: yes, odin could re-arrange the atoms and form a fine dinner fit for mircea_popescu's table.
asciilifeform: 'fixing' it is sorta like asking to 'fix' the dumpster mcdonalds chicken bits into an actual meal.
asciilifeform: because the notion of using this thing, or anything directly derived from it, as a long-term anything, is lunacy.
asciilifeform: i did say, in the very beginning, 'i want this in a book, as a reference' etc
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "./wallet.cpp: exit(1); //We now probably have half of our keys encrypted in memory, and half not...die and let the user reload their unencrypted wallet."
asciilifeform: '...neither Unix nor Windows _actually_ support either C or C++, but they manage to make them work, with downright incredible effort. if you look inside the libraries and see how a system call actually works and how much it differs from the C calling convention and usage, you'd be a fool not to revise your opinion. and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what
mircea_popescu: then there's the case (as is here) of folk who can't get out of the fencing error so fix the code on the 2nd pass.
asciilifeform: to make debugging the case where the call was not made at all, for whatever perverse reason, simpler.
asciilifeform: so folks init a var where result of system call is stored to the value of failure
asciilifeform: you are stuck checking the result of EVERY SINGLE ONE - or praying
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how classical. perhaps in the gavin aka retarded sense of classical,
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: if trb is sleeping in a dumpster and picking old razors out of the rotting mcd 'meal' trays to eat, prb is drowning in a usg paper dump
mircea_popescu: who, over the mental age of ~12, does this
mircea_popescu: no idea why anyone thinks "bitcoin will take over the world". they can't possibly be talking of the prb codebase.
asciilifeform: and there is a variety of things you can coax a node into doing if you can corrupt the db; etc
asciilifeform: but there are, e.g., 101+ ways to hose an arbitrarily selected node for as long as you like
mircea_popescu: o god, the parade of magic substr addresses
asciilifeform: thing is as bad as it could possibly be without falling down at the first gust of wind.
asciilifeform: with none of the plus.
asciilifeform: nah it retains all of the minuses of multithread.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely not multithreaded. which, given the strength of everything else, is a very good thing.
mircea_popescu: null squared is sometimes equal to the unit!
asciilifeform: and as i described (and i think ben_vulpes did even earlier) the thing isn't ~actually~ multithreaded, in the sense of being able to evaluate multiple requests in parallel
asciilifeform: the WHOLE THING consists of THIS
mircea_popescu: motherfucking god almighty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever been in college and ended up picking up chicks you were only half interested in because it sure as fuck beat doing the work you had to do that day ?
mircea_popescu: before i couldn't do merchant of venice because broken tools. now can't because instead going through 10k lines dump to find the junk.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, did we have a lxr up of the codebase or something ?
asciilifeform: the whole thing is 99+% crapolade by weight, and nobody sane dares to 'fix what works' because 'father's pistols'
asciilifeform: rather than #include <uint256.h>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prior to the article i'm writing now, i had naively believed the thing is some standard library imported from whenever
asciilifeform: l0l i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers all of the 'wonders'
mircea_popescu: holy shit the stuff that's in uint256.h ?!
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mircea_popescu: who gets to eat the clay pot or painting ?
mircea_popescu: cooking is actually an artform, indisputably, and readily the easiest to be good at and happy with yourself for.
mircea_popescu: visiting mother at some point "omaigerd you cook so good!!1"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what are they making you for breakfast?
mircea_popescu: do not take after me. for even as we speak, the girls are up and chirping in the kitchen making me stuff.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, shinohai: the version string patch works. BUT you will always see the default version in the boot log!! << personally I haven't even tried this yet. but I think he was saying that he checked the getinfo and that hadn't updated either.
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mircea_popescu: actually the convention is you can take any male name add a and name a girl thus.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in ro names are sexed - mircea is the only male name that ends in a.
asciilifeform: mod6, shinohai: the version string patch works. BUT you will always see the default version in the boot log!! because said printf ~precedes~ the setting of the custom string. this may explain shinohai's confusion.
asciilifeform: this seems thermonuclearly obvious
mircea_popescu: i don't think the difference was ever stressed enough or for that matter all that well understood. what "big studios" do for software, ie, throwaway crap that's not expected to a) work for everyone or b) work for more than a few years is VERY STRICTLY opposite to what bitcoin does.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure there it did.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379738 << that particular heathenry has a name, 'hungarian notation'. named after some chap at microshit who believed that it reduces bugs
thestringpuller: Ah this takes the cake: "I had to reload Reddit like 4 times before it started working. If reddit wants me as a customer, they should increase their blocksize"
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: what was this about 'snags' with the version patch ? << i'll dig it up, just a sec.
asciilifeform: i can't seem to find it in the logz
mod6: we can discuss this again as we get further along.
asciilifeform: mod6: what was this about 'snags' with the version patch ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether << yeah, ok. i'll do some work here today / tonight, do a re-test and the hopefully get it to the ML before the week is out.
mircea_popescu: i also don't fix any of the combustion engines that i own by myself - even if once i took apart and put back together a trabant.
mod6: asciilifeform: not sure if you found some of questions/comments in the log from yesterday re this ^^
mircea_popescu is loath to do too much of that sort, because as correctly pointed out, mircea_popescu is a noob in the low level technical sense. without an array of experts to advise and correct, i'll just fuck everything up.
mod6: Was thinking of putting in alf's latest two also -- but I think we need some confirmation on at least the version string one. shinohai was having some snags with it.
mircea_popescu: well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well, honestly, this wasn't intended as a release candidate, more like a commentary item << ok good deal. was kinda wondering if the forthcoming release patch should bundle this one in or not.
mircea_popescu: eh you're the one should be thanked.
mod6: your patch really is easier to read since leaving in the vchSig.clear() etc at the top instead of moving it to the bottom like mine had.
mod6: right right. but I think i put in some spaces in my code there for alignment. just saying, i'll stick to using four.
mircea_popescu: how are ~you~ going to do anything about it ? i set my machine to show them any way i want.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i insist we must do the "by file touched" rather than "by lines touched" thing.
mircea_popescu: once half the variables are in one style and half in three or four other styles etc.
mircea_popescu: the problem of tab-spaces is indicative of many similar blessings to come.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> not a great fan of vchSig and bs myself, eother. << yeah, im not sure why the var name needs to delcare that it is a vector of chars.
mod6: i would agree there, but on the basis that the comments are accurate in a technical sense. nothing worse than misleading comments or documentation, as we've recently discussed.
mircea_popescu: not a great fan of vchSig and bs myself, eother.
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mircea_popescu: that there should be more comment than code in something like bitcoin source seems an unassailable point, to me.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison) << I never thought of it this way.
mircea_popescu: of course the talmud gets away with an earth shattering bonus : "other rules notwithstanding, the law in any place is what the law always was there". they can afford, somehow, to keep geographically bound chains that are disjunct. we can't. but hey, chosen people, gets advantages.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller we can;'t all be geniuses, can we now.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i often wonder, do these folks also have two-metre-wide toilet in the house, so as to not miss ? << i lel'd
thestringpuller: Like most newbies he thought you spent from addresses rather than prior receipts."
thestringpuller: LOL >> "Don't forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn't the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work.
mircea_popescu: now, battles as to change are softened : people discuss reformulations OF THE COMMENTARY.
mircea_popescu: specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison)
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is not to be taken lightly. it occurs to me, looking at all this, that it has a very fundamental function in maintaining codebases of the KIND that bitcoin is.
mircea_popescu: actually, forcing a point, commented out line tests is really the first step towards knuth literate coding.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else gives a good idea of what the author was thinking.
mircea_popescu: they can stay or go, entirely up to you.
mod6: does anyone have any pref on the commented out DEBUG statements for the finalized one? just remove them?
mod6: oh yeah, derp. so in yours it will just skip the compare and if true, subtract sections.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm misreading this, but atm if neither high nor low is picked the code does spit out a sig neh ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 this is a point, but really that heathen 10k declaration should go away.
mod6: also, about http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG : I left the original code in Sign(...) in the } else { case because i thought it be necessary to have a default. if we don't have one, it forces the user to pick -highs -lows every single time they execute.
mod6: oh hmm. i think i put in some spaces in there.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG << re: There is no reason to test for both highS and lowS being set, because this is tested in init.cpp already, ... << For some reason I had it in my head that since this gets set in util.h/.cpp that both may become set at some point post execution if someone does something funny.
asciilifeform: 'your father's pistols' etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i'm heavily in favour of the 'fix only the lines we touch' school of thought. the whole point of pedigreed-vintage trb is that the totality of the changes we made is apparent to the naked eye.
mod6: Sorry about the spaces in there where I put in my changes, I can and will fix that for my changes. And yeah, I think post-release it may not be a bad idea to do a one-time-cleanup of all of that.
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mircea_popescu: that once the current version being worked upon is released, we all do a whole-source scouring of spaces, and sign the independently generated results, which will be an immediate, other patch.
mircea_popescu: at any rate : maybe it's not too late to fix. what do the lords think about this plan :
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, i deeply regret not having had the sense of s/ /\t/g back when i made the original genesis commit. but... who knew the future then, and sopmehow being true to source, providing untouched water seemed more important. heck, maybe it was, and the only reason i get to regret doing it is having done it, which keeps me from the more bitter regret of having done it.
asciilifeform: https://www.bikeji.com/t/3144 << anybody want to attempt a reliable translation from heathen tongue ?
asciilifeform: i included this because i have 10,001 copies of the tree and every single one is different and wtf
asciilifeform: ./v o HASH would spit out the relevant vpatch name
mircea_popescu: ie, it should be the prev release.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem - i should have the source.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 12:53:23; mircea_popescu: blergh, i don't have the source.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379583 << incidentally, ~this~ is what the 'origin' command in my vtron did
mircea_popescu: srsly, mixed tab/space indentation in a file is worse than either.
mircea_popescu: ah. well i fixed the file i touched.
asciilifeform: in the last paste ?
asciilifeform: the way this kind of thing is traditionally handled, where i worked, is that you fix the lines you touch.
mircea_popescu: and i can't be the only one.
mircea_popescu: in honesty, without any exaggeration, i would estimate the barrier to contribution that whitespace-for-tab puts in front of me is actually larger than the barrier blindness put in front of chetty.
asciilifeform: the spaces thing is just one in 10,001 sad things in a jupiter-sized ball of sad that is trb.
mircea_popescu: bullshit like you know, avboiding the word cunt because it might make it impossible for some developers to contribute isn't worth the time of day
mircea_popescu: yes, conserve. on the other hand, the unknown unknowns : how many people currently simply CAN NOT help because of this ?
asciilifeform: because reading patches is serious work, i personally do not even have all that much time and energy these days, and other folks less still. i try to conserve it.
asciilifeform: fwiw i've deliberately refrained from munging whitespace or even fixing the asinine { } convention used in trb
asciilifeform: ty. i might actually have the stamina to read that one.
asciilifeform: at least in theory
asciilifeform: because the latter can be machine-checked
mircea_popescu: not to even go into all the semantic degradation when you go from 2 separators to just 1.
mircea_popescu: look, i can't use fucking space allignment. for one thing on some systems i need it 2space and on others 4.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you realize, this is likely the biggest patch so far
mircea_popescu: <copypaste> i've even seen "security patches" where the patch was to make the stack bigger, even though the stack was the right size to begin with << mitigation amirite.
mircea_popescu: fuck that, im making a proper file. the diff looks like the end of the fucking world, but hey.
asciilifeform: and is in fact something lusers are famous for doing - recall the folks which the 'comment commits' and 'formatting fixes' who munge entire projects ?
asciilifeform: i'd happily see the whole shebang reformatted, but this would destroy v-ability
asciilifeform: and others, who edit their shit, who end up forced to use spaces to maintain the width ?
mircea_popescu: WHO DOES THESE THINGS
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379490 << rather than have the statement checking for luser who set both flags high and barfing, why not have two flags, e.g., 'forceS' and 'lowhighS'.
asciilifeform: part of the reason why software suxx is that the system appears to be quite forgiving of this kind of intellectual sloth
asciilifeform: a garage big enough for a boeing, so as to not hit the walls ?
asciilifeform: i often wonder, do these folks also have two-metre-wide toilet in the house, so as to not miss ?
asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
copypaste: i've even seen "security patches" where the patch was to make the stack bigger, even though the stack was the right size to begin with
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kind of thing is pestilentially common in 1) microshit 2) folks who grew up on it. 'i'll leave a massive space on the stack so not to overflow because i can't count and also can't trust myself to put it in heap and remember to free()'
copypaste: perhaps it's some intermediary for a signature, and the final return will be chopped to say something sane like 64, 128
copypaste: i'll take a guess, seems like it's a signature, and 10k bytes is the expected length
mircea_popescu: unsigned char pchSig[10000];// Can anyone explain why 10`000 ? Enough with the magic numbers already. << for the fucking record.
mircea_popescu: blergh, i don't have the source.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379490 << may i suggest either sticking with the "comprehensible" in which case say -hiDER -loDER or else go for shortness (i don't think you should) and call it -hs -ls ? this "highs" "lows" thing is worst of both worlds.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379483 << this reminds me of that "i'll be sober in the morning - you'll still be ugly" line.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379452 << please no stakhanovist suicides mr. there's been the maximum allowable count of funerals this year.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378739 << yeah. and as i wait, so does the play wait. the itches i get aren't in any sense in my body, for i wash. they're in the body politic, all.
mircea_popescu: dude has no fucking idea a) what likely means ; b) what a gentleman's duty is, the next day after emitting in the forum an enormity like that.
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assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 02:49:55; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet
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BingoBoingo: It's not like your bones are failing because you decided to test the limits of normal anatomy by butter huffing your way to 500+ pounds
BingoBoingo: It's one thing to have a condition. It's another thing to have condishuns.
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copypaste: i have a high BMI, but only because my spine collapsed due to my condition which takes many inches off my height. but even then BMI is only 31.
BingoBoingo: Solidly past the point of rag on a stick
BingoBoingo: Turd's too long to read really. Just try searching it for names and terms that should be in actual discussions about bitcoin and be astounded when they don't show up.
BingoBoingo: Seriously though the Marshall long fellow looks like Gavin ate Gavin
BingoBoingo: But basically this Hearnia is painting Janssens and some Obeast named "Marshall Long" as the reasons for the adverserial nature of ClassicCoin. Framing of course because it's what good instruments do so he can try to relevant himself again in six months
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mod6: oooo crap forgot to set the fee to 0.001 after restarting.
mod6: yeah, but i guess thats to be expected since these three are supposed to all be high-s.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, the active malleation of transactions that happen to be High-S is a pain.
mod6: but the R value is
mod6: my S value spit out into the debug.log isn't contained in the hex data in the tx: DEBUG DER S: 0xBE8E2E74EBE2618A27D50E0A1D02B33BCE8188940AA22967E9E01AD4D140AB0F
mod6: alright, now for the high-S txn
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "Our best hope to get miners to run bitcoin-classic or XT, is to beg super-hard for it."
mod6: WE have bitcoin "classic", not these pinwheels
BingoBoingo: Prolly something about seeing how much has would actually commit to their dumpster fire
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the true truth of truthiness BingoBoingo, is hearn quitted or did he quit like stolfi ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ?
mod6: here's the tx: bf990fa50a4ea2c13dbe8f65c42c5fcb7b3439109b0c2d0e22081960a9c5fe9a