asciilifeform: '1). Make a decision to let go of the past technical issues. We don’t care whose fault it was, who broke protocol, who harmed who’s feelings or egos, who lied or who was technically or morally wrong. The time has come to move on. We can start fresh and work together to prevent or react to any new human issues.' << ahahahah pure gold
princessnell: you're up there, don't worry
princessnell: been well. yourself? fork nonsense brought me back. also i love the characters here.
ben_vulpes: eh fuggit who cares about barbarians outside of the wot
ben_vulpes: "respect and acknowledge that their concerns are valid, even if you disagree" << hyu hyu hyu yes please by all means try to hold two entirely contradictory notions in your head at the same time
princessnell: maybe you are thinking of brock pierce? but i thought he was the molestee.
ben_vulpes: "If we add up the value of the hours spent on it, we’re in the tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars." << not me, not anyone here. lookee at how much we've saved by not giving any credence at all to the brain damage!
mats: geez, the one thing princessnell wrote is worth 4btc?
jurov: princessnell: make a gpg signed request to transfer them to mpex account or coinbr account
princessnell: how do i claim them?
BingoBoingo: princessnell: Seriously if you claim them now It's a serious amount of BTC.
princessnell: i am very out of the loop
BingoBoingo: princessnell: Also you got quite a few qntra shares, maybe get a hold of jurov about claiming them?
BingoBoingo: Interesting, princessnell Do you want to qntra up a bit on the retardedness of conduct codes or should I do it?
assbot: Holding Ourselves to a Higher Standard — Seven Steps to Mitigate the Human Flaws in our Bitcoin… — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/20QC5oE )
princessnell: check out this goonery: https://medium.com/@brucefenton/holding-ourselves-to-a-higher-standard-seven-steps-to-mitigate-the-human-flaws-in-our-bitcoin-4197b7c0fa24#.6s1hcfm49
jurov: if the attacker wanted me to lose much time and nerves, he couldn't do much better...
assbot: 800 Greek farmers storm Agriculture Ministry in Athens, police fire tear gas (VIDEO) — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1R0aUzN )
BingoBoingo: Probably the nordic ones mostly.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i have tasked $admin with procuring milagro cointreau and fresh lime juice for the entirely made up national margarita day
mats: even better when you remember the tor browser bundle is built on top of firefox
mats: http://www.eweek.com/security/pwn2own-hacking-contest-returns-as-joint-hpe-trend-micro-effort.html 'While Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome and Apple Safari are targets, Firefox isn't because it's apparently too easy and not keeping up with modern security: "'We wanted to focus on the browsers that have made serious security improvements in the last year,' Brian
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, lol.. the nose knows
ben_vulpes: what'd adlai do this time? i didn't see anything notably lulzy in the logs...
funkenstein_: in other news I have made a measurement with an uncalibrated instrument with signal to noise ratio well under 1 part per billion
funkenstein_: I would resubmit the privkeytools patch to ml, but I'm unsure where the rebase should go (in patch order) and - would rather await further tests from trinque and others, seeing as this touches live ammunition
mats: FB, TripAdvisor, and Sonos offices I've visited, have had folks with growlers on their desks, open bars, the works
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2016/02/austrian-minister-seeks-constitutional-protection-for-cash-payments/ << actually this is a fucking great idea. the right to settle commerce without interference from third parties is way more important than the right of women to not be chattel property. << Well isn't that why we're here?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, this is not a covert thing, the bottles come out at meetings etc
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The only dry office is the one that hasn't been checked thoroughly enough
asciilifeform: but this is speaking strictly for the swamp, i have nfi re: the rest of the continent
asciilifeform: so far my understanding is that the latter is found largely on the left side of the potomac river, the former - on the right
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was told long ago that there are, so to speak, 'dry' ~and~ 'wet' offices in usa, but did not see with own eyes until recently
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the name's nevertheless familiar. where do i know you from ? << Bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2016/02/austrian-minister-seeks-constitutional-protection-for-cash-payments/ << actually this is a fucking great idea. the right to settle commerce without interference from third parties is way more important than the right of women to not be chattel property.
BCB: I thought it was turning into the bankchain
asciilifeform: was there ~ever~ a time when mircea_popescu was ~not~ 'having a ball' ??
mircea_popescu: you know you can self voice, dpb is in the lordship
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ftr adlai makes me very sad, it is clear that the man has the aptitude for constructive work, but somehow falls down every time << seems to me like he's zig-zagging broadly towards sense, but who knows these things.
trinque studied the art of fundamentally not giving a shit
trinque: better to only consider the option he has
trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way.
asciilifeform: iirc there was a spiffy mircea_popescu essay about this, long ago.
asciilifeform: from this effect, i think, comes the proverbial 'but he was so happy! why did he eat the nagant?!' thing
asciilifeform: in the final '9 dan' stage, one is indistinguishable from a normal person
BingoBoingo: Exactly. The Big Book has a chapter called "into action" but it does not have chapter titled "Into Feeling" or "Into Thinking"
asciilifeform not yet fully master of the Art
BingoBoingo: Sure it is. Many actual solutions to life's problems are this at their core.
asciilifeform: not really 'solution' in the usual sense
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> just too busy for wankatronics << AHA, there is a solution.
shinohai: Perhaps laying off the sauce would help.
asciilifeform: and then gets into a foul fugue, where he posts cryptograms discussing having nothing to live for, etc.
asciilifeform: ftr adlai makes me very sad, it is clear that the man has the aptitude for constructive work, but somehow falls down every time
assbot: You rated user bcb on 05-May-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: He sold me 1 bitcoin via paypal back when it was under 100..
mircea_popescu: the nature of virginity. back then people actually thought a mp-gavin dispute could possibly be resolved any other way.
mircea_popescu: irl brokers lend out the shares to pay for this.
mircea_popescu: there must be a way to solve this - like if user agrees never to trade for the following year, deposit shares and instead of charge maybe even pay him something.
PeterL: so owning buldozer yields $x from rentals, does opening broker service yield $x from potential clients? I don't think the market is strong enough for that yet, but I could be wrong
BingoBoingo: There are three places in town I could rent a bulldozer
mircea_popescu: actually back in ro you could rent any machinery. they all have "call here to rent this item" on them
PeterL: there is a high investment required for competition, needs a seat on MPEx, not sure if the small number of potential users would justify that
asciilifeform: and why would i want them to slowly melt away ?
jurov: no, if I decide to, it will not be shut down at a moment's notice, the situation is NOT so dire
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 14:41:19; jurov: it's not about speed, but rather structural, mpex api makes sharing an account in this way hard
punkman: PeterL: signing is not easily done with a touchscreen phone << it's not really the interface, more that phones suck
PeterL: well, guy off the street does not get access to reactor controls
asciilifeform: interestingly, these were an 'ultimate' weapon, in the sense that nobody, afaik, found a pill against them (at least during ww2)
BingoBoingo: That might just be you. The fishboat came first11!!!111eleventy
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 13:39:30; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> instrument of trolling >> a trawl? << A Trawler, like the boat. It puts out lines that catch lulz.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403533 << maybe just me, but i normally think of a ww2 mine trawl, the kind towed by a tank
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mircea_popescu: yet for a class (or perhaps a reunion of classes, dunno yet) of folk it seems the height of impossibility.
jurov: was talking about this with wywialm, told him ok let's do it but the other dudes should go into wot too
jurov: it's not about speed, but rather structural, mpex api makes sharing an account in this way hard
jurov: danielpbarron: that "nobody cares" quip was definitely not about coinbr. there inability to provide solid service still after 3 years drives me mad
mircea_popescu: who knew that insane as they might be, divorced from any sort of reality as they may find themselves, nevertheless getting lawyers to not be upset with them is THE ONE TRUE THING they care about.
Reydev: Ill register a sig later, dont have much useful to add anymore. Im building the richlist anyway, even if its just an exercise in the end :) and ill be lurking some
polarbeard: if I can drop an idea, perhaps tagging the ml submission subjects would help...
polarbeard: I see the light.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There might be some merit to that.
mircea_popescu: "hey guise, is seattle legit ? my girlfriend got a job here but i dunno... i looked on the itnernet and it seems like a real town and whatnot, but how can i be sure ?"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i always thought someone should just take all the bs "hey guise is bitcoin legit ?" noob questions, take them to craigslist, replace bitcoin with name of city and go all concerned-like
BingoBoingo: I guess it's time to mount some of the comedy goldfish so captured on the wall https://archive.is/qI4mt
asciilifeform: the tinyscheme genesis is not doc enough??
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i left shiva1 an island to emphasize that it is a heathen and largely unverified turd (tinyscheme)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> instrument of trolling >> a trawl? << A Trawler, like the boat. It puts out lines that catch lulz.
Reydev: tortilla refers to the pietila guy?
polarbeard: I certainly shaked the tree a bit, will recheck
mircea_popescu: the 1st symptom of a well written guide : author knows exactly what the user did wrong.
punkman: tldr of the article you linked?
mircea_popescu: punkman what's he up to these days ? can't be poker, can it.
punkman: Athene is not that obscure
mircea_popescu: Reydev i was actually in the wow closed beta. it... sucked.
mircea_popescu: the things young women will put up with...
mircea_popescu: (iirc she ended up a candidate for some derpy party somewhere in their nordic system there. denmark perhaps)
Reydev: he was kind of a celeb there
mircea_popescu thought this the peak of obscurity.
assbot: Cel mai bun paladin din the world. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pr7ENi )
mircea_popescu: Reydev you mean like http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/ ?
mircea_popescu lives in the sort of cave where even kardashian is more of a starlet than a celebrity.
mircea_popescu: where's myspace, the first billion dollar interwebs "corporation" ?
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca8j9_hUUAAgnN9.jpg:large << the one thing the dude trying to push facebook with that doesn't mention is that the facebook-alikes in there (zynga, groupon etc) were offered earlier than facebook ; and that they were doing JUST AS GOOD at some point in their spam cycle.
fluffypony: hence the pseudo :-P
Reydev: You know there are people who like to hide their fortune and there are those who love to be on the cover of Forbes
mircea_popescu: then the answer is yes, all that's left to establish is if the community in question is as close to you as your wife.
Reydev: Hi all. For those holding a decent amount of BTC or other crypto, would you ever consider (pseudonymously) self-identifying on a richlist-like site purely existing to flaunt your riches?
mircea_popescu skips this nonsense. derp does not have the first clue as to bitcoin.
asciilifeform: and from where was the quote?
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 08:01:06; punkman: "AFAIK Mark Karpelès hasn't been allowed any visits, not even contacts with his family and is not allowed to use a computer either. He already lost 35 kg but still hasn't accepted to be the scapegoat, which seems to be why he's still detained after more than 4 months, without any trial or official charges…"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403407 << mega-l0l!! land of the rising sun does not read the logz! doesn't know how to set up 'coke machine' ?!
BingoBoingo: Fucking revisionists. Apparently now caffeine and not "having been the world's fattest man" killed a one time world's fattest man http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/6-energy-drinks-a-day-blamed-for-death-of-6801521.php?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
punkman: '"Oh, you wanted to *increment a counter*?! Good luck with that!" -- the distributed systems literature'
BingoBoingo: punkman: And now the devils have to confront it
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403295 << No big deal other than lols have value so twitter should be denied lols that don't come at the public expense of the Mayos
punkman: "AFAIK Mark Karpelès hasn't been allowed any visits, not even contacts with his family and is not allowed to use a computer either. He already lost 35 kg but still hasn't accepted to be the scapegoat, which seems to be why he's still detained after more than 4 months, without any trial or official charges…"
ben_vulpes: "talking to the community about my “analysis paralysis loop” caused by the excessive amount of available tools to choose from and to investigate resulted in the community suggesting to try out, spend time, learn and investigate four more technologies that I haven’t even considered in the first place. Good job, Javascript!"
assbot: I’m a web developer and I’ve been stuck with the simplest app for the last 10 days — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1V7VVEM )
ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@pistacchio/i-m-a-web-developer-and-i-ve-been-stuck-with-the-simplest-app-for-the-last-10-days-fb5c50917df#.tq2thlp8r << checking in from the lulzfactory
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgoxinsolvency/comments/44f775/i_wish_i_had_read_this_when_it_was_originally/ << in other lulz.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how the fuck is this possibru
mircea_popescu: theree you go
mircea_popescu: not there
DicePower: I assume it's the same fingerprint post upload?
DicePower: That was the fingerprint that Kleopatra gave me.
asciilifeform: ftr tumblr_nrqrymGFeu1uu92gho1_1280.jpg is the single hottest chick i've ever seen in a bitmap.
asciilifeform has utterly lost track of the sequence of usgola
asciilifeform: or nm, the 'classic' crud was something else, new, not 101 ?
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/992864a3bd505e9f3a482f32067914b0/tumblr_nvliemHrWv1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg << let's stick to backsides then
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:00:13; asciilifeform: perhaps she had the face of a human, rather than ruminant, nfi
mircea_popescu: i have nfi idea who even entertains the nonsense of the "internet trader" mind, but it's beyond fucking ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> would it help if there weren't any expectation of speedy order matching? I don't really care about sniping so much as setting long term orders and letting it sit for a while << kinda the entite fucking point of a broker in the first place.
asciilifeform: i diagnose a severe, possibly life-threatening failure of the imagination...
asciilifeform: the man is intelligent, but the sheer magnitude of the 'learned helplessness' is astonishing even to me.
asciilifeform: 'But where has all this been exposed as "unfulfilled assumptions" by the academic examination of cryptography? Where is their "proof" now?' >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475 etc
asciilifeform: mic change, which only then becomes a secure basis for ciphering. We see none of that. None' << >> 'heavier than air flight requires an engine that is like our steam plant but weighs no more than 100kg. this cannot exist'
asciilifeform: 'If we accept the need for "hardware" encryption, we can talk about somehow originating a "pristine hardware system" to run it. But that also means maintaining a pristine (largely static) development system to build it.This, in a web environment designed to cause dynamic change and incidentally transport malware. That seems unlikely, but even if that worked, it means ending up with a cipher system which never allows algorith
asciilifeform: 'One example of the larger problem is that virtually all modern ciphering occurs on a general purpose computer. Our overall model of computation, upon which correctness in ciphering rests, does not include malware. ... [lengthy discussion of irrelevant crud assuming reader uses winbl0wz snipped]'
asciilifeform: 'The Rosenbergs were traitors who damaged worldwide security and got what they deserved' << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: where he discussed the utter inability of, e.g., physicists, to properly confront professional flimflam artists
asciilifeform: 'Natural law can be complex and confusing, but not deliberately deceptive, so it is not surprising that techniques refined for understanding nature do not well address the cryptographic contest.' << this point is originally due to j. randi
asciilifeform: but this is still idiocy, because otp is the ~definitional~ strong cipher. it is provably ludicrous to ask for a cipher in any sense whatsoever stronger than otp.
mircea_popescu: yes, jeeps have failed the afghanistan campaign
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'otp failed' part is idiocy
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mircea_popescu: the fellow is quite intelligent - his point about nature not being deceptive is especially cogent.
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BingoBoingo: I'm just disappointed giant ground sloths did not make it to the present
BingoBoingo: Well, prehistoric camels had some role, but creation does not have a block chain so until all bones are dug and cataloged there is an element of mystery here
gernika: well, the americas
BingoBoingo: "It is virtually impossible to overload a camel. When, in a camel's considered opinion, the load strapped to it is excessive; it simply will not rise. Neither cursing nor beatings will budge an overloaded camel." << http://www.desertusa.com/animals/desert-camel-experiment.html
BingoBoingo: Last American president Jefferson Davis signed of on the import of camels when he was just a Senator
mircea_popescu: and in further news of pseudopolicial boobality, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llvna1qKvT1qjngnjo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the third person in the monty python sketch was whistler. "I shall be born when and where I want, and I do not choose to be born in Lowell." whistler.
asciilifeform: but for some reason nobody rides them
asciilifeform: interestingly, camel was introduced to the americas in early 19th c
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is right, the sheer phantasmagoric disconnect from physical reality in usaschwitz has no analogue anywhere else in known spacetime
mircea_popescu: (ftr, the camel is not native to africa. was introduced, with an effect similar to the introduction of metalworking in europe)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, one of the few and far between actual cultures in africa.
asciilifeform: but modern usa is not them.
mircea_popescu: ghana existed long before the british were invented.
mircea_popescu: ghana is more relevant to any discussion than the united states.
BingoBoingo: The lawyers?
mircea_popescu: actuaries could sink any firm, and nobody'd notice until after they did it - seen this one play out time and again on ws ever since the gaus copula bs\
mircea_popescu: to get back to the news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/7e5143d6c21be74b2aef262921920363/tumblr_nw9o4llWfR1qlne6uo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: stop slandering the cosmococcic corporation alfie.
asciilifeform: (most of the time, at any rate)
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 22:03:10; mircea_popescu: in other news : mp decides new heels and dress would go very well with a shiny-red lacquered leather ball gag. proceeds to inquire with a dozen or so sex shops in the farming town. they ALL have the same exact item.
mircea_popescu: everybody has the same cheapo chinese 50cent crap they're trying to sell for 20 bux.
mircea_popescu: in other "life sucks" news, i've been trying to buy a red lacquered fine leather ball gag for the past fucking week. this country thinks itself a masterful leather manufacturer, NOBODY has it.
asciilifeform: btw there is a version that turing discovered everett's device before everett
mircea_popescu: i am, and for years have been, destroying the usg through everett's device.
jurov: for example i'm recently considering to close coinbr, it would simplify my life considerably as it tends to desync from mpex at the worst possible times
mircea_popescu: choices have consequences for everyone. the "mere mortals" care about consequences.
mircea_popescu: they pretend to be wilde, shaw and i dun recall who.
mircea_popescu: no but seriously... spend some time doing SOMETHING OTHER than what you're doing ? dude, if i thought this is a good idea... i would just stop doing what i;m doing. that day. forever. wtf.
jurov: when i was a kid i have imagined adults fulfill their desires in some secret magical way, so that they don't eat cake all the time
asciilifeform: imagine if all the cake you ever got to eat was, say, 20 grams max
mircea_popescu: i suspect every youthful generation's conviction the previous people are dumb and generally suck has a lot to do with this.
asciilifeform: more of how the boy might have problems grasping why his parents do anything other than eating cake
mircea_popescu: well... i guess. more akin to "boy sees no use for veggies, they're getting in the way of cake"
asciilifeform: but i think i see where mircea_popescu is going, this is the old 'thirsty man thinks he can drink the sea' theorem
mircea_popescu: not what i meant. depends on what variant one entertains etc, but there is such a thing where the slave's the slave throughout the day, do what she may.
asciilifeform: gotta set up household for the pets, etc?
asciilifeform: well sure, there is a certain amount of 'like sledding? like pulling sled too!'
asciilifeform: i don't even sadomasochate but i always assumed that it was a hobby like any other
mircea_popescu: if shown a cheesecake picture, they DO in fact imagine that the woman looks like that from dawn to dusk, while shitting, etc.
asciilifeform: if i show a picture of, e.g., chess players, what , viewer will assume that they play from dawn to dusk until they drop, and while cleaning the house, eating, shitting ?
mircea_popescu: it has the unmistakable immaturity of virginal youth, unaware that pegs are round, holes are square.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the cramped environment : yes, woman can be made to do either. but it wouldn't be fucking sleep or fucking work. it'd be THIS. and this is not life, this is THIS.
asciilifeform: i immediately thought that this picture was not intended to represent 'typical day in the life' but rather is a boschian thing
mircea_popescu: but the idea is see, he's hanging out, the mistress sleeping (as if any woman sleeps in garter belt and high heels) and the slave doing doing houseworkl
asciilifeform: to what is the brush attached ?
mircea_popescu: the idea is! that the picture there linked is trying to mesh two unmeshable things. notice the dude is all like "business as usual, whatever". whereas in fact, it's nothing but!
mircea_popescu: or mebbe we're not talking about the same thing. hm.
asciilifeform: i can only assume that if this 'engine redline' is held for long enough, mircea_popescu will throw the chick back into the wild, or otherwise expel
mircea_popescu: "In a rare bid for sanity, the Harford County School District had cancelled all field trips for students into Baltimore, as it is clearly an unsafe environment. The mulattress mayor [the same whore who let the city burn and then requested that 1,000 Somali refugees be settled in Baltimore] was outraged. Phone calls were made, and the school authorities waffled, and will now be sending their children into harm's way, wh
mircea_popescu: anyway. maximal density is the killer. yes, obedient slave takes whipping. there's a maximal % of her time she can spend being whipped.
mircea_popescu: well no, it's unrelated. hence the "infinitely more interesting news"
asciilifeform: but how does it tie to the thread..?