asciilifeform: trinque: they are removable
asciilifeform: and the answer likely involves him having been surrounded by quislings for ~years~
BingoBoingo: ALso possible, Theo's wrath bit is losing sensistivity as he ages
mircea_popescu: the tenuous thread of theo's own person is not enough to keep this shit together, because he's too jwz-ish to engage the more important half - politics.
asciilifeform: and the one who presides over the 'hackathon' vermin while theo (who is afflicted with some peculiar stockholm syndrome) starves in a garret
asciilifeform: now the other thing about openbsd is the incident with theo and that microshit flunkie
asciilifeform: trinque: linux (at least a reasonably well-cultivated linux) is ispo facto 'fitter' on account of having the ability to build emacs sans dbus.
BingoBoingo: But anyways the enemy here is m:tier specifically
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:30:16; mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.
trinque: it is whether linux is fit(ter) that I question.
asciilifeform: and in fact its mere inclusion of dbus spoils the entire nominal flavour of 'sane and security-oriented'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But for many purposes that's all box needs to do. Emacs up the text somewhere else.
asciilifeform: because whatever prevents a sane emacs build, is likely to interfere with other work
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, if i can't build and run emacs and its dependencies, the os is fit for 'bury in concrete' only - e.g., router
felipelalli: At least they really care about security. I tried to compile Bitcoin Core in OpenBSD once but I couldn't (in a quick & dirt attempt).
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> there is no openbsd sans the ports. << The userland is enough for a webserver/firewall/etc box
trinque: because from where I sit the most recent ones have an obscene amount of "features" bolted on which I do not use
asciilifeform: trinque: vintage is not the right word
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: alf hates the OpenBSD ports turdage which has lots of shitgnomery and the occasional userland shitgnomery
asciilifeform: the thing is an ensemble, like gentoo
mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.
felipelalli: trinque, the same
asciilifeform: felipelalli: try reading the thread ?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with this.
asciilifeform: florian weimer et al are 'security professionals' for 'fixing' holes after the fact (self-planted, but who will print this.) whereas we are 'nutters' for removing the cancerous tissue preemptively.
mircea_popescu: aha. ever-more testing the bounds of insanity, too. it's fun to watch.
asciilifeform: the 'it never happened, and if it did, we had it first' thing has never failed to date.
mircea_popescu: "it is forbidden to suggest solutions to the septic problem that involve any manner of removing shit from the stack"
asciilifeform: e.g., expect massive qntra ddos some time in the next few hrs
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asciilifeform: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html << holy fuck the sheer mass of fecal matter
BingoBoingo: Noted, more can be added in comments by the knowlegable
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would add in your article that the flagship trb boxes are running sans-glibc.
BingoBoingo: But any other corrections before SEO advances?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ~we nuked glibc entirely~ << Nuked the NEED for glibc
PeterL: asciilifeform wasn't the thing you were describing, 'g', going to be for downloading stuff?
asciilifeform: from, as i gather, elementary economic calculations, the enemy focuses almost all effort on real-time/net-connected crapola
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that never was the unclear part. didja have a replacement was the unclear part.
mircea_popescu: totally, thank the people who put the hole in, it's because of their "hard work" that you have a hole to burn.
asciilifeform: 'The vectors to trigger this buffer overflow are very common and can include ssh, sudo, and curl.'
punkman: "Remote code execution is possible, but not straightforward. It requires bypassing the security mitigations present on the system, such as ASLR. We will not release our exploit code, but a non-weaponized Proof of Concept has been made available"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should be pretty lulzy to read the "never happened and if it did we did it first nayway" verbiage.
asciilifeform: 'The glibc DNS client side resolver is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow when the getaddrinfo() library function is used. Software using this function may be exploited with attacker-controlled domain names, attacker-controlled DNS servers, or through a man-in-the-middle attack.'
mircea_popescu: #b-a, the driving force behind internet security phenomena. since 2016.
asciilifeform: empty the prb folks
asciilifeform: would've been glorious if they'd fired it first
shinohai: There is a public pool just a few streets down from me. So many fat people were there last summer I wondered how all the water wasn't displaced.
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BingoBoingo: Probably just kicked it into the rendering pot afterwards.
shinohai: I'm just wondering since she is sitting on the floor if there was a crane handy to help lift her after this photo was made.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Notice the darker skin on the dieselbag's legs suggest Beetus is already about to take them.
mircea_popescu: these are pubic beards not neckbeards.
mircea_popescu: in other bitcoin news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lul4ub4Rnp1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first! << never knew people played go in pakistan
deedbot-: [Trilema] Eulora auction, February the 21st - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auction-february-the-21st/
mod6: morning, just a heads up here. ben has been testing V for me, and we're going through it. might need another patch tonight.
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asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/using-ipv6-with-linux-youve-likely-been-visited-by-shodan-and-other-scanners << ntp and ipv6 lulz
mircea_popescu: "Last year, The Intercept published documents detailing the NSA's SKYNET programme. According to the documents, SKYNET engages in mass surveillance of Pakistan's mobile phone network, and then uses a machine learning algorithm on the cellular network metadata of 55 million people to try and rate each person's likelihood of being a terrorist." << hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first!
mircea_popescu: but i am also very curious to hear out disagreement, especially from the esteemed peers living with young children.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo will prolly appreciate http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#comment-116552
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punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/
mircea_popescu: hey, they swap daughter with neighbour prior to fucking, why not infant prior to eating.
mats: i wonder all the time if this is just wishful thinking on my part
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 03:48:41; mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party
mats: meanwhile my generation chants 'feel the bern' because he proffers entitlements on the backs of corporations
mats: hundreds of millions toiled, sweat blood, and died in the last thirty years to make .cn great
mats: people here have no sense of scale beyond the drops of blood spilled on 9/11
mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party
mats: recall the name? I'll add to my list
asciilifeform: the swap detail is interesting
BingoBoingo is disappoint that other people discovered beef tongue is delicious and it is priced locally on par with other actual foods that don't suck
mats: and while I'm venting about Koreans, their food fucking sucks and utterly lacks any kind of nuance
mircea_popescu: most of them, first generation in shoes, actually.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget the little detail where 'fan death' somehow ... only happens to ethnic koreans!
mats: and that their cultural dress is original, rather than heavily derivative of the fashions from the Tang
mircea_popescu: there's a section of romania convinced that this romanian dude invented writing and taught the romans to fuck and egyptians to pyramid.
mircea_popescu: there's this general tendency of shitty countries to entertain this dream that they're really cool.
mats: on the subject of Koreans
BingoBoingo: Got to enjoy tales of the weirdo bumpkin kids on college campuses who were in the no flushing the toilet paper habit
BingoBoingo: The concern isn't actually the tank, but the pipes that run from the tank to the leech field
BingoBoingo: Around here the toilet paper is associated with the very rural people who have fragile septic tank systems.
mircea_popescu: the telltale, specific nonsense old women come up with, but particularly successfully rooted.
mircea_popescu: the toilet paper nuttery is endemic in central america also. i always ignored it, to no detriment. sort-of wondering whether there's any more substance to this nonsense than any urban legend. to this day for instance south koreans believe magical asphyxiation rays come out of fans left running while people sleep.
BingoBoingo: "The fact that all over Beijing you have to put soiled loo roll in a little basket beside the toilet is telling: the infrastructure is fragile." << Very Rural of them
BingoBoingo: build them again!""
BingoBoingo: I didn't care for Beijing's architecture merely because it was "unfamiliar". I looked at him in astonishment. "Unfamiliar!" I exclaimed. This stuff is all over the world!" And an assault of Bauhaus is hardly Chinese.) Put up in the engineering equivalent of 15 minutes, none of these buildings is made to last but when I asked my winsome Han tour guide what would happen when they collapsed, she said with cheerful gusto, "We'll
BingoBoingo: "And the architecture! Never was any city more captivated by the rectangle. As you take off from Beijing airport, clumps of residential developments rise relentlessly into the distance, each cluster often 60 or so high-rises apiece, each high-rise 50 or so stories tall seeming to reproduce SimCity-style as you watch. They are all drab, they are all the same, they are all hideous. (A student asked after my event whether perhaps
BingoBoingo: Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later.
BingoBoingo: And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date
BingoBoingo: The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain?
asciilifeform: of course this was back when usa had factories there.
asciilifeform: boil the 'great lakes'
mircea_popescu: the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes.
mircea_popescu: suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york.
mircea_popescu: none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda.
mircea_popescu: the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada.
mircea_popescu: in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406651 < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs
BingoBoingo: 30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised.
asciilifeform: recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets.
BingoBoingo: They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason.
asciilifeform: otherwise snore.
BingoBoingo: Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized.
asciilifeform: interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd
asciilifeform: (yes there was a film series)
asciilifeform: the films are also on www
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.
shinohai: The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ?
mircea_popescu: and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cffa17602be167edc880c4d98319ab81/tumblr_mm6dffZQnM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: nice work keeping it together kako :)
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406252 <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ?
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adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year"
asciilifeform: adlai: where do you find these folks.
adlai: dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin.
adlai: mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter
asciilifeform: skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406230 << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course.
mircea_popescu: "he was a user, he never cared, which is the point."
thestringpuller: "They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care."
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45xz0s/hi_im_a_user/ << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this
mircea_popescu: i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove"
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof"
adlai: if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them.
adlai: on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly
mircea_popescu: "making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol
adlai: eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself
mircea_popescu: ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406191 << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO!
mircea_popescu: which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406186 << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids.
mircea_popescu: jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader".
mircea_popescu: "we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: but then you don't want to be a mouse.
mircea_popescu: the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine.
mircea_popescu: you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live'
mircea_popescu: it already forces you to eat from the latrine.
asciilifeform: note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them.
asciilifeform: say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively.
asciilifeform: and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance)
asciilifeform: jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail
mircea_popescu: jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh.
jurov: replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic
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shinohai: !rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.
mircea_popescu: from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me.
asciilifeform: anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse...
mircea_popescu: the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity.
asciilifeform: btw, further thread necromancy, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2016#1399548 << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most)
jurov: does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much?
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"
jurov: yes. but how would toslink help there
asciilifeform: presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern
asciilifeform: the answer:
asciilifeform: jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix
jurov: maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too
asciilifeform: hence the thread.
asciilifeform: and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh
asciilifeform: (also they all have ludicrous res limit)
mircea_popescu: then tujrns out that's not what you wantg.
mircea_popescu: dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, <asciilifeform> i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox
asciilifeform: so wtf's the use
asciilifeform: where is the fiber gpu ?
asciilifeform: i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it.
mircea_popescu: i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable.
asciilifeform: (in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food
mircea_popescu: learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you.
asciilifeform: soo? he bends, buys another.
asciilifeform: i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber.
asciilifeform: jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit
mircea_popescu: and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General
mircea_popescu: seems unavoidable for the us.
mircea_popescu: old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto.
BingoBoingo: Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment
mircea_popescu: i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap.
BingoBoingo: But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit.
BingoBoingo: Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt
BingoBoingo: Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub
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BingoBoingo: Came out today, turned the thing into news
asciilifeform: e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster
asciilifeform: or the like.
asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps
asciilifeform: https://www.pgo-online.com/intl/katalog/ito.html << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there.,
asciilifeform: or hm, is this still the mesh foil.
asciilifeform: would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass
mircea_popescu: moreover, given the technology of making cds
asciilifeform: for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection.
mircea_popescu: due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount.
mircea_popescu: and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.