#trilema | 2016-02-15

assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows.

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davout: jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back.

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adlai: punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]?

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adlai has stopped telling people that bitcoin is not 'network marketed', i mean it is digital money, runs on networks, flows in tubes (both parallel, and series of)

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adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.10:c26b82ee97b4c01a90dc0229cacda535bc552cd9572b13d759a9554d0fe4f39d

assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully)

adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious

assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not

adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403712 << "So I believe that even my master, when he spoke of the simple, was using a rather simple concept." http://www.obooksbooks.com/2015/4115_142.html

assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way.

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jurov: davout ty!

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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) << Welcome to the weird that is Bitcoin broadcasting

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405999 >> https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/her09-15_b_lo-res2.jpg?quality=80 << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 09:23:41; punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/20VI6As )

asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?)

asciilifeform: platinum toilets ftw!

mircea_popescu: it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google.

mircea_popescu: they're all herbalifes.

asciilifeform: (they are not true iridium toilets because i can identify them visually)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ?

asciilifeform: last i checked, they didn't offer 'get ipnohe for selling five'

mircea_popescu: doh ?

mircea_popescu: "get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ?

asciilifeform: then mercedes is also pyramid ?

mircea_popescu: if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ?

mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one

mircea_popescu: not by pete telling them to buy one.

mircea_popescu: heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil.

asciilifeform: by this notion all consumer crud is 'direct market'

asciilifeform: but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump.

mircea_popescu: i think that definition was never stated as such.

mircea_popescu: does chump BENEFIT from chump. yes, he does.

asciilifeform: if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ?

mircea_popescu: and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is.

mircea_popescu: i would sya it is.

asciilifeform: where are the hierarchical levels then ?

mircea_popescu: ...

mircea_popescu: they worship steve, don't they ? why ?

mircea_popescu: becauyse of the frustrated mlm need.

asciilifeform: (i.e. what would be an advanced crapple pusher, vs rank-and-file)

mircea_popescu: just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist.

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mircea_popescu: you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ?

asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ?

mircea_popescu: steve ; everyone else is already levels.

asciilifeform: the crapple salesmen are wage labourers

asciilifeform: afaik they get no commission.

mircea_popescu: not fully.

mircea_popescu: they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml.

mircea_popescu: mlm*

asciilifeform: any public evidence that they are paid below market rate for other clerks ?

asciilifeform: by how much ?

mircea_popescu: they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE.

mircea_popescu: and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty

mircea_popescu: and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts

asciilifeform: folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ?

mircea_popescu: where 200 < this < 1500 or so

mircea_popescu: yep.

mircea_popescu: fuck more hotties, wouldja!

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: wake me up when they start making ones with faces.

asciilifeform bbl

mircea_popescu: typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission.

mircea_popescu: and buys "worth" about 5x what she earns

mircea_popescu: and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? << I fucking made commision selling watch batteries in the mall.

BingoBoingo: Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc

mircea_popescu: the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth.

BingoBoingo: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/100319340.html << Marshall Long style Eatbeast scammzor

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be

mircea_popescu: no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either.

BingoBoingo: But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down.

mircea_popescu: prolly.

BingoBoingo: In other news https://archive.is/4FvjC

assbot: 100 Best-Selling, Most Prescribed Branded Drugs Through March ... ( http://bit.ly/2453GS7 )

BingoBoingo: A lot of insulins on that list

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shinohai: !up minetester

minetester: <.<

minetester: >.>

shinohai: Buenas uey

minetester: que hay!?

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BingoBoingo: !up wpalczynski

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deedbot-: [Qntra] Optical Disc Software Approaching International Crisis - http://qntra.net/2016/02/optical-disc-software-approaching-international-crisis/

punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91CN5XC_V8

assbot: New Zealand Politician Steven Joyce - #Dildogate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tlms3J )

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shinohai: !unrate liquidassets

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BingoBoingo: In other news there's rumbling ECB is set to kill the 500 euro note, but no source worth linking yet

shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.unrate.liquidassets:d22d27f15bd1997ea3bff0b032d8e8019ab00763506732bab17f7f5034a1de94

assbot: Successfully unrated liquidassets

BingoBoingo: !up Conflict

BingoBoingo: !up linton_s_dawson

BingoBoingo: Insanity https://i.imgur.com/NXUvpBt.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/214Gzol )

shinohai: tumbrinas don't get to decide what is anything.

shinohai: *tumblrinas

trinque: hell of a mentality, where the things you do are the things you "get to" do

BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/uaBA1yS.png

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/214H1D4 )

shinohai: I do get to decide not to eat 4 buckets of Wal-MArt chicken in one sitting so as not to be labeled obese.

BingoBoingo: Notice though how all of those ideological avatars are rotund. Every single one of them is obese.

BingoBoingo: But apparently it doesn't count as obesity anymore until a person is so fat they spread out like a pancake

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trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"

trinque: at least religions of the past had something of an enumerated list of prohibitions

shinohai: Sadly even that has devolved based on what religious leader you happen to follow. At least in usa

BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

shinohai: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.9, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 399.96, 24 hour volume: 28420.58864334, 24 hour low: 396.12, 24 hour high: 412.5, 24 hour vwap: None

shinohai: $400 again >.>

BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 9025.06442353 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 401.87, vol: 7623.0688 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 399.6, vol: 28498.84921068 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 390.0, vol: 7.28927057 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.446405, vol: 46236.18970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.77401, vol: 755.81372971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 399.47655, vol: 73.30162171 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

BingoBoingo: ;;more

gribble: 409.260001115

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shinohai: wb pete_dushenski

pete_dushenski: heya shinohai

pete_dushenski: how comes the website ?

pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406019 << lol. good one

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 11:29:54; adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious

pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406031 << looks like 'bloomberg terminal' model, neh ?

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 13:16:28; asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?)

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bloomberg_terminal.jpg << looks like it.

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TjfD1B )

pete_dushenski: that's the one

asciilifeform: l0l winblowz key

pete_dushenski: you don't understand how finance worx

asciilifeform: clearly not

asciilifeform: and here i was, imagining that it runs on custom pdp11 tandematron

pete_dushenski: though i eaaagerly await the results of the alphago bet now that 'most of alf's net worth' is on the line. that's sitg, folks.

asciilifeform: did i say most

asciilifeform: l0l

pete_dushenski: 'significant' ?

pete_dushenski: but if 'organs won't buy bulldozer', most isn't a stretch

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: perhaps i ought to explain that i don't really treat bitcoin as money

asciilifeform: (it can't pay my rent, or tax, or ..., etc)

pete_dushenski: neither can shares of tsla, goog, aapl, gs, etc.

asciilifeform: i use it as a sort of scientific toy. picture, if you will, if you came to own a few grams of Pu

asciilifeform: nowhere near enough for fission, but you can still do various interesting things like thermal generator, etc.

asciilifeform: closest analogy i can think of.

pete_dushenski: i can see it

mats: asciilifeform: didja bet yes or no?

asciilifeform: and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will remind me that it is the only real money. and he will be right, just like, to hruschev, Pu was the only real money

pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406042 << as with all new german cars, yes. this comment on baruth's blog recently sharply sums up this arriviste betaboi phenomenon : "If you’re distraught about the Macan demo now, wait until the 4cyl comes out with a $499 lease special and a whole new segment of buyers. I can tell you from experience (I sell Audis as well) that the ‘aspirational’ luxury bu

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 13:18:49; mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one

pete_dushenski: yer is different breed…just wait for the Insta posts of a millennial couple with #porsche #madeit #lifegoals #adulting"

asciilifeform: mats: this is not appearent from the logz?

pete_dushenski: mats look for the 5btc bet

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: explain for us mortals ?

pete_dushenski: which part ?

mats: i'm not caught up on logs

asciilifeform: any of it

mats: i see it now.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: do you remember the thread re: 'organic food' ?

asciilifeform: specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop'

asciilifeform: i see same phenomenon in the auto market

asciilifeform: e.g., i can go and buy 'mercedes' but what if i want to ~only~ pay for quality and ~not at all~ for stotting ?

asciilifeform: or, perhaps overworked subject in my writings, the computer market: there is $wintelcrud laptop, there is crapple, but there is no (longer) tadpole computer corp.

asciilifeform: !s tadpole

assbot: 14 results for 'tadpole' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tadpole

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha k, so let's see here. 25 years ago a young couple leaves china, lebanon, russia, or the like and moves to us/canada. they proceed to find gainful employment buying or selling something or other and set about raising two children. the immigrant couple, after working diligently to put their children through university, ensuring that their kids never know physical hardship nor so much as an overd

pete_dushenski: ue credit card balance, proudly watch as both kids graduate as professionals, maybe optometrists or accountants. as these kids have never had to save for anything, nor even been encumbered by uncertainty, they proceed to 'show off' their entirely disposable incomes with the purchase of nice watches and leased bmws, audis, mercedes, or porsche crossovers and to 'post' 'their' 'success' on social medias and pick u

pete_dushenski: p their friends for brunch on sunday morning while talking at length about what option boxes (of the 4 available) they ticked or didn't, and why or why not. this 'aspie' set has no goals beyond the moment's likes and hearts, not unlike the set that tlp mischaracterised as patek philippe owners.

asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ?

pete_dushenski: as to the organic food angle, the car market is actually quite a different beast, mostly because there is no 'quality' to be had for love or money. a new mercedes will break just as readily as a new kia, just more expensively.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: and i find this interesting

pete_dushenski: why do you think i, who can afford whatever i please, bought 'cheap' 'rusty' 26yo car ?

asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.

pete_dushenski: entirely this.

asciilifeform: for me, auto is just another expense. and a tool for doing a tedious and unpleasant chore. like broom.

pete_dushenski: and in case anyone is curious about how 'cheap' and old merc is... it's not. i paid more in maintenance and repairs in the first year of ownership than i laid out in initial capital.

mats: hm, alphago prop hit 'geekwire': http://www.geekwire.com/2016/alphago-lee-sedol-whos-underdog-in-google-ai-million-go-match

assbot: Odds favor machine over human in big Go showdown ... ( http://bit.ly/1XtnSbU )

pete_dushenski: *an old merc

mats: alphago bitbet prop, that is.

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: maybe more like fridge in that others actually notice the brand, finishes, etc

pete_dushenski: unless 'lord of the brooms' cares to defend a position to the contrary

asciilifeform: nobody (but pet) sees my fridge.

pete_dushenski: because you don't socialise with meat, whereas 99.4% of population does.

asciilifeform: and, while plenty of people see the car, it looks like every other car. and i like this.

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asciilifeform: i go every day to the meat farm. and nobody there even knows which car i go in.

asciilifeform: and i like this.

pete_dushenski: that's the other tragic angle of the lack of quality, as it happens, everything fucking ~looks~ the same.

asciilifeform: aha!

pete_dushenski: goddam autocad car designers just wanna be like poorfag architects

adlai: mats: more "money left on the table"!

asciilifeform: i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati'

asciilifeform: mega-disappointment

asciilifeform: i always imagined it as a big 1950s race car thing

mats: adlai: meaning?

asciilifeform: but it looks no substantially different from 'honda'

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: heh

adlai: mats: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-november-2015-statement/#footnote_3_64105

assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) November 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tjj2xm )

mats: adlai: yeah, he didn't use an affiliate link

mats: i stumped 2.5btc, should be a good show

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: rolls royce looks like chrysler, mercedes looks like kia, and on and on and on. this is why my 'toy' would be 'morgan 3-wheeler' but afaik they're not importable to canada atm.

asciilifeform: and inside, same junk parts

asciilifeform: and 'softwarized' ignition that can fail because overwrites own firmware (yes i saw this)

asciilifeform: but hey at least you can play idiot meat gamez

asciilifeform: impress the chixx with how much you can put on credit card.

asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?)

deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.50000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b21

asciilifeform: mats: i can't help but wonder, if author of 'alphago' is confident that the machine can win, why not pick up some easy coin betting ?

mats: asciilifeform: operator drinks from google hose, doesn't need to redeem cola cans for nickels

asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.

asciilifeform: yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets.

asciilifeform: but afaik it is not.

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mats: plenty of time left, and 'geekwire' has given bitbet some exposure

mats: fan hui shit himself during the match and i think folks are overrating the ai strength

mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs

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adlai: mats: friend who introduced me to go claims "tournament champions should already have experience not in shitting themselves under pressure"

mats: ph33r the machine

asciilifeform: mats: bbbbut 'exponentially improving!11111'

adlai reckons bet weights that taper sharply (like this one) to be better at sounding out 'insiders'?

mats: i'd bet 2.5btc all of two people can explain what 'alphago' actually did when evaluating decisions during the fan hui match

adlai: explain on what level? "the ANN weighings blabla" is not the same as "play away from thickness"

adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms

asciilifeform: thing about nn is that this is fundamentally not a thing:

asciilifeform: e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-01-2016#1386298

assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)

asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't.

jurov: soo i'm looking on letsencrypt, which can auth the domain by adding stuff to webroot. so, no need for it to be ran under root you'd say

asciilifeform: and just as easily 'forgets' as 'learns'

jurov: but not. i had to add /etc/letsencrypt, /var/log/letsencrypt writable to it

jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!

asciilifeform: l0lwut?!

jurov: startssl it is again, i guess

asciilifeform: jurov: what do you use ssl for ?

jurov: i have several webservers, internal and external

jurov: not up to pushing my own CA to everyone that uses them

asciilifeform: yes i know that jurov has wwwtrons, but what is the ssl for.

asciilifeform: coinbr does not use popescutronic authenticator ?

jurov: mnope

jurov: but i don't use free certs for that.

jurov: also have other $projects which I host e.g. wiki for

jurov: these wait for gopher over whispernet or what is the #b-a replacement vaporware called

adlai: interestingly enough, 'abusing' image recognition ANNs to generate images generates surprisingly similar imagery to that which is found from an analogous process on NNNs

asciilifeform: is this one of those abominable things that won't move a millimetre unless i push it ??!

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adlai is talking about https://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-googles-neural-networks-look-like-theyre-on-acid

assbot: Why Google's Neural Networks Look Like They're on Acid | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PA6nn0 )

adlai: human go skill allegedly improves with saki consumption, i wonder whether they emulate this in the program or settle for programmer-mediated emulation

asciilifeform: emulation. programmer kicks the machine.

adlai: if alphago were really intelligent(tm), it would be betting on/against itself

adlai: and fleece money by fooling its creators

asciilifeform: adlai: iirc the sake thing originated with a certain drunken former champ

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' << In one of the college towns I lived in there was one I'd frequently see as it bounced from parking lot to parking lot, looking more like weathered trash than other cars of similar age.

kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.

asciilifeform: prolly.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. << I'm not entirely sold on Deep Blue II electric boogaloo having been definitive for chess. Kasparov was not Undisputed in his championship at the time. His title was not recognized by FIDE.

polarbeard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405980 << first they made it into my list because they're never called explicitly, then revised the function and history of each, some we're left from earlier versions, others after removing the gui, etc

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 04:51:38; ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?

polarbeard: *were

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the kasparov match, contrary to popular notion, is not what 'killed' chess

BingoBoingo: No, fritz and drug testing were.

asciilifeform: rather, it was that idiots at a certain point became able to hook up chessatron to game servers and ruin the game.

asciilifeform: (for what purpose, is known only to expert psychiatrists, i imagine)

BingoBoingo: AH, that

danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406236 << on a "for phun not money" thing

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:28:31; mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs

kakobrekla: anyway speaking of bitbet, there has been a large amount of rouge behavior on it for the past ~2 weeks

asciilifeform: how's that

asciilifeform: (what counts as 'rogue' on bitbet?!)

danielpbarron: i pointed out the missing ref= on the alphaGo bet in that geekwire article; let's see if they update it :D

adlai has been trying to hook up a captcha solver so he can stop handspamming it

kakobrekla: bots and humans trying to get in the systemz/break in the server/deplete deposit address supply etc etc

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this only started recently ?!

asciilifeform: i'd have thought it would have been pestilential from day 1

kakobrekla: no, it is happening all the time but it went way up from the usual noise

asciilifeform: welcome to being mp-cool

asciilifeform: (next step: mp-complete !!111)

kakobrekla: heh

adlai: !b 3

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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield.

mircea_popescu: and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like.

asciilifeform: and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering.

asciilifeform: (he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all)

mircea_popescu: aha.

asciilifeform: (answer: cast metal into mold containing fibers, which disintegrate but not immediately. instant holes.)

mircea_popescu: due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: also one can make a 'poorfag' version using pcb vias

asciilifeform: (solid copper - heavy-gauge pcb; many vias; mount surface mount led opposite side; attach pcb-mounted shield to led side)

asciilifeform: for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection.

mircea_popescu: i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing

asciilifeform: essentially one is making 'notch filter at terahertz' metamaterial.

asciilifeform: as in, pass light but not 'radio'

mircea_popescu: moreover, given the technology of making cds

mircea_popescu: one should probably just make a cd based filter

asciilifeform: as in pressed hologram ?

asciilifeform: would work, but a bit thin

asciilifeform: would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass

assbot: EMI/RFI Shielded Glass 9600 serie | Excellent EMI/RFI shielding performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vhxyod )

asciilifeform: or hm, is this still the mesh foil.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there.,

asciilifeform: waiwut

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asciilifeform: https://www.pgo-online.com/intl/katalog/ito.html << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass

assbot: ITO coated glass | ITO-coating on glass substrates | CTO ... ( http://bit.ly/1VhxQvl )

asciilifeform: ... key ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency"

mircea_popescu: check it out jurov ! indium glass!

mircea_popescu does a little dance of being a rightful asshole.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: realize that this would be a greater marvel than washington building a magical ray to give us both ballsack cancer

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you are staring at indium glass right now

asciilifeform: it is how your lcd conducts...

mircea_popescu: nevermind!

asciilifeform: l0l

mircea_popescu: ikr ?

asciilifeform: quite.

asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps

asciilifeform: ... or paint wall of hotel with

asciilifeform: or the like.

asciilifeform: laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back

deedbot-: [Qntra] 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances - http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/

asciilifeform: e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster

mircea_popescu: "Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O

BingoBoingo: Came out today, turned the thing into news

asciilifeform: vintage mega-lulz re: herr scalia, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296440 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328006

assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play

assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia

BingoBoingo: Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub

mircea_popescu: guy was pretty old...

mircea_popescu: what was he, 70something ?

BingoBoingo: Only 75

BingoBoingo: Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt

BingoBoingo: 30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones

BingoBoingo: But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit.

mircea_popescu: curious who obama appoints now.

BingoBoingo: No one's talking Preet yet

mircea_popescu: i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap.

BingoBoingo: Yeah

BingoBoingo: Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment

mircea_popescu: old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto.

mircea_popescu: seems unavoidable for the us.

BingoBoingo: Yeah

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can hardly wait, preet as chief-justice, already salivating

asciilifeform: perhaps a 50% opendefecation rate is achievable before next election!

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General

mircea_popescu: bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did.

mircea_popescu: the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days

BingoBoingo: But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians

mircea_popescu: and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been

jurov: omg shielding lcd with metamaterial...

jurov: what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals...

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asciilifeform: at any rate, preet is not a playing character, but a reflection of lizard will. a freisler.

jurov: aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt

asciilifeform: jurov: i always found it interesting that you can't get display cable ~optic~

asciilifeform: (afaik)

asciilifeform: even though it would be, in all likelihood, ~cheaper~ to make

asciilifeform: (no need for shield, for example)

jurov: why cheaper?

jurov: judging from optical usb extenders, it's not

asciilifeform: no copper

asciilifeform: jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit

asciilifeform: and made in quite low volume

asciilifeform: i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber.

mircea_popescu: because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage.

BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/IuixMHN.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1oko29R )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: terminators !?

asciilifeform: nein

asciilifeform: you must be confusing it with copper coax

asciilifeform: and have you tried bending copper dvi cable ?

asciilifeform: 'takes well to damage' is not a thing

mircea_popescu: hm

asciilifeform: and no consumer ever repairs a cable, wtf

jurov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK pediwikia says consumer optic cables have high attenuation and still fragile

assbot: TOSLINK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ocy01x )

asciilifeform: so high that three metres is too long ?!

mircea_popescu: optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house.

asciilifeform: soo? he bends, buys another.

asciilifeform: learns not to bend.

asciilifeform: just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe.

BingoBoingo: In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely

jurov: also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors

jurov: defon not consumer stuff

mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well.

mircea_popescu: learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food

mircea_popescu: heh

asciilifeform: (in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.)

mircea_popescu: in no sense.

jurov: i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently

asciilifeform: so don't pinch!

mircea_popescu: i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it.

mircea_popescu: not so with optics.

asciilifeform: i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha but plug into what.

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asciilifeform: where is the fiber gpu ?

asciilifeform: fiber lcd ?

jurov: solder a photodoiode

mircea_popescu: terminators are like a coupla k's each

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and radiate like hell

mircea_popescu: ...

asciilifeform: because connected to pc with guess what! normal cable.

mircea_popescu: doh ?

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: so wtf's the use

mircea_popescu: dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, <asciilifeform> i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox

mircea_popescu: then tujrns out that's not what you wantg.

asciilifeform: (also they all have ludicrous res limit)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't 'doesn't radiate' if you need a terminator plugged with normal copper, that does

jurov: and do you have tempest computer case already?

asciilifeform: and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh

asciilifeform: jurov: this is not hard

asciilifeform: it is peripherals which are tricky

asciilifeform: hence the thread.

mircea_popescu: ima bow out of this convo.

asciilifeform: a replacement controller pcb for ibm keyboard that does 'toslink' instead of ps/2, i would buy.

asciilifeform: would jurov ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ?

mircea_popescu: notrly.

jurov: maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too

jurov: best if both em and acoustically

asciilifeform: jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix

asciilifeform: the answer:

asciilifeform: include rng.

asciilifeform: thinkaboutit

asciilifeform: presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern

asciilifeform: which is why you can 'hear' a pc keyboard from 30+ metres.

asciilifeform: anyway iirc we had this thread some time before.

jurov: yes. but how would toslink help there

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406125 << this is actually quite an important point.

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"

mircea_popescu: da fuck is this "get to" nonsense.

jurov: does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much?

asciilifeform: btw, further thread necromancy, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2016#1399548 << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most)

assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now.

asciilifeform: even nazis had 'gurtelpeiler'

asciilifeform: jurov yes

mircea_popescu: better make sure it fits in ass

mircea_popescu: cuz that's exactly where it's going. repeatedly.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of 'file off that front sight'

asciilifeform: (traditional ru greeting to fella with bad aim)

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity.

asciilifeform: anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse...

mircea_popescu: from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me.

shinohai: !rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.

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asciilifeform: l0l

jurov: replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic

mircea_popescu: jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh.

asciilifeform: jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail

BingoBoingo: Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum

mircea_popescu: which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room.

asciilifeform: and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance)

BingoBoingo: room inside a room

jurov: so supply it with battery

asciilifeform: jurov: before very long, fiber looks cheap

jurov: "looks"

asciilifeform: certainly compared to 'faraday room'

mircea_popescu: why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree.

mircea_popescu: no mlm at all!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively.

asciilifeform: i was discussing how it could be solved inexpensively.

shinohai: !rate mircea_popescu 2 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings.

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jurov: and optocouplers leak nothing?

asciilifeform: jurov: shielding a cm^2 thing is cheap?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: being able to build anything whatsoever room-scale is a 'not for poorfag' thing

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mircea_popescu: much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, it is 'this solution requires money'

mircea_popescu: mno.

asciilifeform: say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~

asciilifeform: because unlike mircea_popescu , i do not have a mobile aluminum dirigible cabin.

mircea_popescu: would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ?

asciilifeform: note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them.

mircea_popescu: it is not a way to live.

mircea_popescu: it already forces you to eat from the latrine.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live'

mircea_popescu: you'll never have a good laptop. it is not possible.

asciilifeform: was possible in 1995

asciilifeform: ergo still is.

mircea_popescu: you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there.

mircea_popescu: the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine.

mircea_popescu: but then you don't want to be a mouse.

jurov: !up dooglus

jurov: btw, your brain leaks, too

asciilifeform: jurov: go and pick it up.

asciilifeform: (pretty sure 'squid' still requires shaving heads, a mm or so max)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu .

mircea_popescu: this is not properly called "designing".

mircea_popescu: "we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense.

jurov: if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap

mircea_popescu: jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader".

BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/#comment-46429

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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406186 << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids.

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ?

mircea_popescu: which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada.

shinohai: BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ?

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406191 << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO!

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.

mircea_popescu: most people just scream into a void.

adlai: this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home

mircea_popescu: or ever makes any sense.

mircea_popescu: ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble.

adlai: eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself

adlai: (change-class goban 'ouija)

mircea_popescu: "making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol

asciilifeform: l0l

adlai: on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly

asciilifeform: me ok i'll bite!

asciilifeform: to ~whom~ does perelman prove ?

adlai: if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them.

adlai: even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why he doesn't.

mircea_popescu: he has no friends.

mircea_popescu: that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof"

adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope"

mircea_popescu: i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove"

mircea_popescu: i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool.

adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c

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asciilifeform grasps where mircea_popescu is going with this

mircea_popescu: ahaha check that out kakobrekla bitbet is nao famous.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this

mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy. nicely done :)

mircea_popescu is tempted to bet himself now.

thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45xz0s/hi_im_a_user/ << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild.

thestringpuller: "They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care."

mircea_popescu: nice epitaph for heroin addict.

BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty fxd

mircea_popescu: "he was a user, he never cared, which is the point."

asciilifeform: technical term is - 'luser'

asciilifeform: pronounced 'ell-user'

BingoBoingo: !up Gentilhomme

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course.

thestringpuller: asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user."

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406226 << works regularly, yes.

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?)

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406230 << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose.

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406244 <<< actually i'm persuaded ai's learning, if actually present, is in principle not translatable to "human terms" ie some readily fih heuristic.

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms

asciilifeform: aha, dragonfly.

asciilifeform: skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also.

mircea_popescu: technically pigeon was nn

adlai: mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter

mircea_popescu: lol

adlai: (stockfish is https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish )

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asciilifeform: wat's stockfish?

asciilifeform: hm

adlai: dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin.

asciilifeform: adlai: where do you find these folks.

adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year"

asciilifeform: and what's a bitcoin watering hole?

adlai: http://www.bitembassy.org/

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adlai: most relevant&explanatory nonsense pasted in its bathroom is https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/42535 which i didn't post myself but strongly identify with

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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406248 << you recall my discussion of magic and its advantages ?

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406252 <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ?

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!

mircea_popescu: only root can read that anyway.

deedbot-: [Qntra] Pravda: Missing Batteries Led Billion Dollar Blimp Astray - http://qntra.net/2016/02/pravda-missing-batteries-led-billion-dollar-blimp-astray/

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406275 << this is not actually true.

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.

mircea_popescu: lol mp-complete.

mircea_popescu: nice work keeping it together kako :)

asciilifeform: a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu !

mircea_popescu: and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cffa17602be167edc880c4d98319ab81/tumblr_mm6dffZQnM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1okC9fd )

asciilifeform: it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ...

mircea_popescu: glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ?

asciilifeform: possibly.

asciilifeform: i suppose i got it backwards

asciilifeform: mp-hard - requires being mp.

mircea_popescu: everyone gets it backwards when mp's hard!

asciilifeform: l0l!

mircea_popescu: !up kefkius

asciilifeform: http://www.nada.kth.se/~viggo/problemlist/compendium.html << related...

assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi7qib )

jurov: BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim

jurov: now you have to send me one share :)

BingoBoingo: ty jurov

mircea_popescu: lol

BingoBoingo rearranging booksshelves, because seems like most practical way to make reading list

jurov: !up dbclk

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's on your list ?

shinohai: The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo

danielpbarron: yeah i lolled

mircea_popescu: lol not bad

punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406303 << wouldn't you get nasty diffraction at micron level

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face.

asciilifeform: punkman: more holes than pixels.

asciilifeform: think aperture grille on crt.

mircea_popescu: many many holes

asciilifeform: aha

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can read sicp for phree on www

asciilifeform: (not even pdfated!11)

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble.

asciilifeform: the films are also on www

asciilifeform: (yes there was a film series)

BingoBoingo: scribble, place postit notes, etc.

asciilifeform: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures << them

assbot: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Video Lectures ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqrC6W )

BingoBoingo: hard to do with www

asciilifeform: interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd

asciilifeform: hence the adult audience visible in the foreground

BingoBoingo: Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized.

punkman: more from "my code went to space"-experts http://www.verticalsysadmin.com/making_robust_software/

assbot: Mars Code: building robust software ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqsfNK )

asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe

asciilifeform: otherwise snore.

BingoBoingo: Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged

asciilifeform: waiwut

BingoBoingo: Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason.

asciilifeform: largest rockets ever built.

asciilifeform: (depending on how measured)

BingoBoingo: They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way.

asciilifeform: esp. if helped.

BingoBoingo: Even if that way is CIA mole

asciilifeform: recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets.

asciilifeform: as in, 1+ cone for every u.s. metropolis.

ben_vulpes: STAND BACK

asciilifeform: (or rather, prototypes thereof)

ben_vulpes: I'M CARBONATING WINE

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised.

BingoBoingo: 30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem.

kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406651 < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs

assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe

mircea_popescu: has ben_vulpes discovered spritz ?

shinohai: https://redd.it/45xz0s <<< "user is king" keks

assbot: Hi, I'm a User : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtCw5 )

adlai: speaking of which, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spritz+from%3Aadlai is superceded/obsoleted/completed by https://github.com/pasky/speedread

assbot: 3 results for 'spritz from:adlai' - #bitcoin-assets search

assbot: GitHub - pasky/speedread: A simple terminal-based open source Spritz-alike (per-word RSVP aligned on optimal reading points) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtKf4 )

mircea_popescu: in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole.

ben_vulpes: well that was a miserable idea

mircea_popescu: the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada.

mircea_popescu: none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda.

mircea_popescu: suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where's your qntra submission on this subject?

ben_vulpes: best of best is to live in incuntsequential hipster holes

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: How do you know the hipster holes won't be cleansed for aesthetics?

pete_dushenski: sort of a lot of expense for the sake of aesthetics

BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meh, kinda low level lulz.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: antarctic ?!

mircea_popescu: yeah

asciilifeform: texas?!

asciilifeform: explain?

mircea_popescu: i'd gladly explain if you used a verb in your questions like sane people.

asciilifeform: ah i get it, nm

mircea_popescu: the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage!

asciilifeform: btw idea belongs to chelomey

asciilifeform: (contemporary of korolev)

mircea_popescu: aha.

asciilifeform: boil the 'great lakes'

asciilifeform: of course this was back when usa had factories there.

asciilifeform: i still don't get why cn would need antarctic base when it can shoot over north pole.

asciilifeform: like sane people.

BingoBoingo: In case Russia gets alarmed by CN launch

asciilifeform: l0l

BingoBoingo: The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain?

BingoBoingo just recieved "computer maintenance department scam call

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asciilifeform: anyway rockets are so 20th c

asciilifeform: proper nuke - orbits.

asciilifeform: and deorbits.

BingoBoingo: Eh, why not just weaponize a panamax or a suezmax a la best korea

asciilifeform: a fedex crate, aha.

BingoBoingo: Problem with orbit is keeping it, and problem with nuke is maintenance

asciilifeform: good for ~20 yr

BingoBoingo: And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date

asciilifeform: also remember that orbit of comm sats is low because tx/rx

asciilifeform: nuke needs only receive.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do your know what graveyard orbit is?

BingoBoingo: recieve and avoid having its traditional explosives decay through radition exposure.

BingoBoingo: Not really?

asciilifeform: look it up

BingoBoingo: Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later.

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deedbot-: [Trilema] The woman's fault - http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/

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BingoBoingo: http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/4980

assbot: The Beige of Beijing | Standpoint ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5tJ4u )

BingoBoingo: "And the architecture! Never was any city more captivated by the rectangle. As you take off from Beijing airport, clumps of residential developments rise relentlessly into the distance, each cluster often 60 or so high-rises apiece, each high-rise 50 or so stories tall seeming to reproduce SimCity-style as you watch. They are all drab, they are all the same, they are all hideous. (A student asked after my event whether perhaps

BingoBoingo: I didn't care for Beijing's architecture merely because it was "unfamiliar". I looked at him in astonishment. "Unfamiliar!" I exclaimed. This stuff is all over the world!" And an assault of Bauhaus is hardly Chinese.) Put up in the engineering equivalent of 15 minutes, none of these buildings is made to last but when I asked my winsome Han tour guide what would happen when they collapsed, she said with cheerful gusto, "We'll

BingoBoingo: build them again!""

BingoBoingo: "The fact that all over Beijing you have to put soiled loo roll in a little basket beside the toilet is telling: the infrastructure is fragile." << Very Rural of them

mircea_popescu: the toilet paper nuttery is endemic in central america also. i always ignored it, to no detriment. sort-of wondering whether there's any more substance to this nonsense than any urban legend. to this day for instance south koreans believe magical asphyxiation rays come out of fans left running while people sleep.

mircea_popescu: the telltale, specific nonsense old women come up with, but particularly successfully rooted.

BingoBoingo: Around here the toilet paper is associated with the very rural people who have fragile septic tank systems.

BingoBoingo: Those of us in town get our flushing (and wire internet) privilege

mircea_popescu: what is a bit of cellulose supposed to do ?

mircea_popescu: it actually decomposes faster than feces.

BingoBoingo: Over time supposedly accumulates. It may break down faster than feces, but it doesn't liquify as fast.

mircea_popescu: you ever tried this experiment ? or how do you know ?

BingoBoingo: The concern isn't actually the tank, but the pipes that run from the tank to the leech field

BingoBoingo: Heard horror stories.

BingoBoingo: Got to enjoy tales of the weirdo bumpkin kids on college campuses who were in the no flushing the toilet paper habit

mircea_popescu: i heard horror stories about jews stealing good german women's sexual mojo, also.

mats: on the subject of Koreans

BingoBoingo: WHo hasn't heard those?

mats: I have heard more than one insist that Confucius was Korean

mircea_popescu: there's this general tendency of shitty countries to entertain this dream that they're really cool.

mircea_popescu: there's a section of romania convinced that this romanian dude invented writing and taught the romans to fuck and egyptians to pyramid.

mats: and that their cultural dress is original, rather than heavily derivative of the fashions from the Tang

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget the little detail where 'fan death' somehow ... only happens to ethnic koreans!

mircea_popescu: right,

mats: this is what happens when americans prop up a nation of farmers

mircea_popescu: americans ARE a nation fo farmers.

mircea_popescu: most of them, first generation in shoes, actually.

mats: and while I'm venting about Koreans, their food fucking sucks and utterly lacks any kind of nuance

asciilifeform: mats: tell this to nubbins', iirc he is eating kimchi still, many years after his tour of duty

mats: the only thing the world knows about .kr food is Korean BBQ and kimchi

mats: think about that for a second

asciilifeform: forgot dogs

BingoBoingo is disappoint that other people discovered beef tongue is delicious and it is priced locally on par with other actual foods that don't suck

mats: my grandfather ate dog during the famine, no shame in that

asciilifeform: not in famine, but as standard butcher shop fare

mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too

asciilifeform: mmm

mats: welcome to hell

asciilifeform: the swap detail is interesting

mats: so many koreans I have met, have serious attitude problems

mats: so many chix are high maintenance princesses, dudes tend to be belligerent and unbearable when drunk

asciilifeform: saw a great kr film not long ago, about baduk (go) mafia

asciilifeform: showcases both.

mats: recall the name? I'll add to my list

asciilifeform: 'divine move'

asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3419894

assbot: Sin-ui Hansu (2014) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1olf6kv )

mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party

mats: people here have no sense of scale beyond the drops of blood spilled on 9/11

mats: hundreds of millions toiled, sweat blood, and died in the last thirty years to make .cn great

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mats: meanwhile my generation chants 'feel the bern' because he proffers entitlements on the backs of corporations

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406782 << good nyooz! this is fixable!111

assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 03:48:41; mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party

asciilifeform: won't be long to wait.

mats: i wonder all the time if this is just wishful thinking on my part

mats: many ancient empires took centuries to die, despite entering infirmity long before, after all

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00055456 = 11.0357 BTC [-]

mats: anyways, finite

mats: gnite*

danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406770 << this is the worst thing i've ever read in here.

assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 03:28:14; mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too

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mircea_popescu: hey, they swap daughter with neighbour prior to fucking, why not infant prior to eating.

danielpbarron: not the swap part :/

danielpbarron: that makes sick sense; don't want to eat own son

BingoBoingo: !up Compute-c

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BingoBoingo: http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html

assbot: 1999 Darwin Award: Resistance is Futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEgRrb )

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