phf: i have a reverse osmosis machine that i carry from apartment to apartment, i then drill holes in granite countertops and such. still waiting for somebody to deduct the holes out of my security deposit..
asciilifeform: and the teenager -ev thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, it goes back to the 'blind loyalty' thread
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/#comment-116961 << answrd
mircea_popescu: the reason it actually delivers useful work is specifically that idiot behaviours, as unthinking as they may be, are actually adaptive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> idiots support other idiots automatically, ideologically. << they do. this is the most fascinating thing : how incredibly cultish idiocy actually is.
mircea_popescu: also, who was doing what so i can see the log line read in chat ? this is starting to drive me nuts. trinque ? phf ?
mircea_popescu: which removes "misppealing" from the list
mircea_popescu: might need a little manual adding/substracting because obv some keywords also appear more than once, and in the future there may be false positives, but in general...
mircea_popescu: on the theory that by now most common words appear more than once in the half gb log or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: jurov> and it might actually bolster up creating good tmsr jargon << this is actually not a bad idea. something like "every word that appears exaclty once before shall be linked to that instance. every word that appears only in linked references produced by the foregoing gets linked to the previous instance."
asciilifeform: the surrender, was!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but i never had the slightest desire to own one , esp. to use for intended purpose << makes two^H^H^H all of us.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so i suppose in the "blogs that must be", we have "adlai - views from inside the insane asylum" and "phf - they have philosophy in russia even!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what grunts what rifles. they "use" "mercenaries" who use them instead.
asciilifeform: folks post these, believe, voluntarily!
asciilifeform: ~as if~ the most damaging thing to be lifted by attacker were picture of your face or arse !
asciilifeform: for the record, web cam shutters are lame
asciilifeform: pretty useless, most afflicted laptops won't properly close with the thing in
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at a comp sec convention 'shmoocon' they handed out, among other souvenirs, little plastic sliding shutters for webcams
asciilifeform: idiots support other idiots automatically, ideologically.
asciilifeform: srsly the idiot archs always seem to win.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449684 << finally read this. i suppose this is not a bad time to remind folks of the 'arm' cpu being a lothesome piece of shit that i have 0 desire to use for anything if it can be avoided
asciilifeform: ('last' oughta be 'magic' and point ALWAYS to the last line at any given moment)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf can haz bookmarkable url that points to tip of the logz plox ?
BingoBoingo: Well there's that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you're playing physical camo games, why not hide the thing in old vase. in garden. up arse. etc
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/#comment-116959
BingoBoingo: <jurov> they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way. << I really don't mean keeping much in the way of hardware. Just a plastic case that arouses a wildly different kind of suspicion.
asciilifeform: and why is the plastic case useful, i dun get it
jurov: phf just an idea: if someone comes up with a completely new (or very rare) word like the w-tron above, use it to link to previous convo?
jurov: they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way.
asciilifeform: but i never had the slightest desire to own one , esp. to use for intended purpose
adlai: phf, trinque: either/both of y'all may be interested in https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/commit/019c10d (specific patch, rest of repo is relevant only to archaeologists)
asciilifeform: admittedly i find some of he '80s-'90s game machines interesting from a systems perspective, they had minimalistic iron and ran 'os-less' long into the era when x86 languished under microshit
asciilifeform: srsly the original drm chumpers, buying, believe, ~whole computer~ built solely to make copying the gamez harder!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: asciilifeform: "I'm gonna walk right out the front door" (tm)
adlai: asciilifeform: 'asylum' of some sort, yes. it's quite a story! too long for logs, saving for the blog.
asciilifeform: what the linked item was
asciilifeform: why did american army in vietnam, which had thermobaric bomb in abundance (invented it, in practice) continue to use legions of grunts with ordinary rifles?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449672 << of ferfuxxsake, 'First - you pillage, Then - you burn!' - didn't they teach this in your viking school!?
mircea_popescu: in which the later tell service beats email.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "The armour is a composite sandwich, with boron carbide on the front face (a hard ceramic), followed by the metal foam, and either aluminium or kevlar on the rear face. The metal foam is made of 2mm-diameter hollow steel spheres in a stainless steel matrix." sounds expensive
mircea_popescu: and there's no structural defense to that.
mircea_popescu: basically the problem is, that structured armor will resist 100kj in kinetic attack and melt like chocolate under 5kj of thermic attack.
deedbot-: [Trilema] Calidad de Vida, or My Days Among The Cargo Cult. - http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/
mircea_popescu: who the fuck could have predicted.
mircea_popescu: the damndest thing, the people who play it aren't noobs, and the noobs don't play it :D
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5rMKHLV6Hk << variation on this theme. with ~wolf~ instead of bear, and a number of other tweaks.
mircea_popescu: so how do you say the "pull, pull" bit ?
mircea_popescu: whenever he catches on root, fox goes "o noes, stop with the pulling you're killing me"
mircea_popescu: bear believes, proceeds. overnight the lake freezes, with his tail inside, as he pulls he thinks there's lots of fishes. breaks tail off.
mircea_popescu: on way home, bear, who at the time had splendid tail, nicer than fox', asks where she got all the fishes.
mircea_popescu: fox wakes up to the sound of peasant driving very heavy cart full of fishes from the lake. climbs in quietly, and while on its back pushes fishes off the cart with feet. then collects it up and goes home.
mircea_popescu: ie how the bear lost its tail.
mircea_popescu: how'd they say in russian, "trage, trage ca de radacina tragi"
mircea_popescu: i don't let the enemy inform my decisions by his behaviour this explicitly. you ever read the fox and bear fable ?
mircea_popescu: depends who owns the safe.
asciilifeform: while it is ~conceivable~ that any particular heavy safe is filled to the brim with used condoms,
asciilifeform: the intel turds are ciphered and signed for a reason.
asciilifeform: re the microcode thing, i can picture mircea_popescu going on a bank heist, and, coming up against a massive safe, 'let's not bother with the dynamite, fellas, this thing surely is full of used condoms'
mircea_popescu: and in any case, scheming against an enemy modelled on the basis of yourself is rather silly, seeing how if you are so similar you shouldn't be enemies in the first place.
asciilifeform: so the correct thing to do is to picture enemy who has thought of ~at least~ everything you can think of.
asciilifeform: iirc i once did explain that my mental model of the enemy is myself with a negative sign.
mircea_popescu: basically, i've by now distilled the unifying, common principle of all our disagreements to date. it is as follows :
asciilifeform: not only on the obvious basis of 'can add magic instruction' but 'will reveal magic instructions that have been added in 20 yrs of nsa-supplied patches'
mircea_popescu: but it says exactly nothing about the item being strong, it's all about the item being worthless.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure that'll do something for the future.
asciilifeform: (key exists, legendarily, in 1 copy, in the castle of doom, etc.)
asciilifeform: in 20 yrs of signed microcode patches, NOTHING leaked out, not only keys, but even the format of the payload.
mircea_popescu: the bar it poses is exactly that, ~100 bucks, ie fifteen minute's labour or w/e.
asciilifeform: but i definitely see how it handily encompasses the varied crimes of the egalitarian cult.
asciilifeform: incidentally, and perhaps mircea_popescu does not know this, but even here in the heart of mordor this phrase is a comical byword for idiocy, like nixon's plumbers
mircea_popescu: in an ordinary zoo, humans are scored like in any other employment. by how often they come late, and other factors.
mircea_popescu: the fiat world is not such. yes, it has the choice to either become such, in which case we won, or else keep trying to pretend no child left behind. in which case we win. etc.
mircea_popescu: the correct model, ie, the zoo, is right here. the republic is a zoo. outsiders are kept in cage.
asciilifeform: (who is scored in an ordinary zoo, and how? i dun follow the analogy)
mircea_popescu: a better model would be "a zoo where the humans are scored by how many times the animals have sex with them"
asciilifeform: fiat world is exactly as secure as... the zoo.
mircea_popescu: in any case : the fiat world will never be secure, no matter what.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you take the point, perhaps for lack of familiarity with anaximander.
asciilifeform: i.e. they get harvested by folks lookin' to do some infectin', and revoked immediately when the news break
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crapple app dev keys and microshit driver keys play roughly the same role in ecosystem as that cali hearing aid shop's ssl cert.
asciilifeform: phf: meta-nsa relaxes and smokes in the corner, it doesn't need keys, sends magic udp
mircea_popescu: all the knobs that are must be ; and necessarily must be. the knobs that are not, are not ; and necessarily can't be.
asciilifeform: that's how the drm prison worx
mircea_popescu: they want to live in a world of idiots. this means they can never be safe. full stop.
asciilifeform: but something their coke machine dispenses when you stick in a benjie.
mircea_popescu: this is why the whole "security" shit dun work.
mircea_popescu: totally shooting the discussion re "trusted cpu".
asciilifeform: (in the old days this was unheard of, because the thing needed to propagate after all.)
asciilifeform: these are common, believe or not.
asciilifeform: 'As KeRanger encrypts each file (i.e. Test.docx) starts by creating an encrypted version that uses the .encrypted extension (i.e. Test.docx.encrypted.) To encrypt each file, KeRanger starts by generating a random number (RN) and encrypts the RN with the RSA key retrieved from the C2 server using the RSA algorithm. It then ....' << L0l!1111
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider that the proggy ran on ~os~ with autoupdate.
phf: mac version of torrent client i use was compromised couple of months ago, "oops we found a ransomware, we don't know how it got there"
shinohai: The only reason I used it was for trb private key issues, and the last time I tried to add a key it borked the entire wallet.dat.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449442 << was that https? they likely use some middleman like cloudflare which issues one common certificate per random group of customers
asciilifeform already has a shitjob, dun need another that pays 10x less for anything
shinohai: "Police dropped all endangerment charges in exchange for him not filing a complaint about them expressing relief he won’t be able to reproduce." https://thevalleyreport.com/2016/03/14/man-shoots-off-his-own-penis-taking-selfies-with-gun/
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform ON A MOTHERFUKING SATURDAY yet ANOTHER phone interview with folks who ~lied~ in advertisement re telecommute << Seriously try home depot
asciilifeform: (there are no timestamps, cache control crapolade, etc)
asciilifeform: and only there.
asciilifeform: i get diffs only when he updates the text.
mircea_popescu: anyway, root domain isn't a very good test. who knows, maybe there's some web-based "log in" state thing somewhere on cryptome or w/e.
asciilifeform: there still always remains the chance to not merely 'x is a scam' but to take the scammer, and nail his arms and legs to the floor
mircea_popescu: people who know the us is a scam know the us is a scam. people who "don't know" "don't know" for various good reasons that this bit isn't addressing.
asciilifeform: not imho mega-nyooz but it beats the 'furry' nonsense
mircea_popescu: possibly of interest to the cryptome people only.
asciilifeform: would've been mega-entertaining if not for the null diff. but sure.
asciilifeform: props up the notion that the master keys aren't owned by hitler and therefore this idiocy must be done ?
asciilifeform: from inside the mental asylum, this... idk, helps stand up the delusion that anyone gives half a shit re ssl ?
mircea_popescu: "never happened - but if it did happen, then... what ? operator error ?
mircea_popescu: no i meant from the alt-reality usg perspective
asciilifeform: clinic and title company both ran winblowz and Generous Shareholder Donated their cert to ftmeade ?
mircea_popescu: so what the fuck is the relation between a cali hearing clinic, a mid sized title holding/services company such that they'd share certs ? and no, it's not JUST on the mp end of the cannon : http://archive.is/uHV8m
mircea_popescu: in other lulz " www.0ldrepublictitle.com; or visit us on Facebook at ORNTIC or ORTC, or on Twitter @OldRepTitle. The Old Republic Title Insurance Group, Inc. is comprised of ..."
mircea_popescu: i still get the same pem tho
asciilifeform pictures hitler minion, who turned off the jammer ~just in time~, cackling
mircea_popescu: vhell then!
asciilifeform: paste the raw text, i'ma 'meld' it
asciilifeform: 'caek for sale' rrrrring 'let's talk about the cake' 'ok' [next day] 'let's talk about the cake. we don't actually have cake. but we have some broken glass and cement. how would you like some??'
asciilifeform: srsly the derpery
asciilifeform ON A MOTHERFUKING SATURDAY yet ANOTHER phone interview with folks who ~lied~ in advertisement re telecommute
mircea_popescu: between the stuff in dpaste and ?
asciilifeform: i'd like to know the diddlepayload.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so where do you want me to get the key from ?
mircea_popescu: i gotta confess this was the best cryptome link to date. usually it's kinda flat.
asciilifeform: except, again, it is only connected if you're on mircea_popescu's end of the ferretcannon.
mircea_popescu: so why is some aural health clinic in roseville/oakland connected to this thing then.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "The team of hearing care professionals at. Whisper Hearing Centers use the most advanced technology. My Humor. Talking some good old fashion gossip" etc.
mircea_popescu: rarely have i seen all the letter servers from a to m be in the authority section of an obscure, blogger.com-esque domain.
mircea_popescu: compare, for your amusement, dig 0ldrepublictitle.com with dig access.0ldrepublictitle.com (the latter is what the cert really serves)
mircea_popescu: https://certificate.revocationcheck.com/whisperhearing.com << and w/e THAT is either.
asciilifeform: i do not see the '0ldrepublictitle.com' crud anywhere in my chain.
mircea_popescu: lemme export the whole hierarchy sec
mircea_popescu: oh check it out, the independent didn't have 17.9 btc spare.
asciilifeform: pasted internal link from the site
mircea_popescu: you know, the common ones.
asciilifeform: (exercise for the reader - determine which animal(s) the famous machine 'bigdog' walks as.)
mircea_popescu: in other open questions for the esteemed citizenship, please explain how quadrupedes walk.
asciilifeform: ced mails from the subscriber list. To do this, the plugin needs access to read emails from the email server. This plugin also stores email server login information in the WordPress database in plain text. ...'
asciilifeform: 'MF are running the WP SMTP plugin which gives you the ability to send mail from your website via a mail server. This plugin stores email server address and login information in plain text in the WordPress database. ... MF are also running the ALO EasyMail Newsletter plugin which provides list management functionality. One of the functions it provides is to receive bounced emails from a mail server and automatically remove those boun
mircea_popescu: and in other breakfast news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/43a7927447299f00dcdf7c7848abb343/tumblr_n6lnvegu0b1t0gmzbo1_1280.jpg
phf: which'll do correct redirect, but i didn't have the time. tomorrah
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-09#1449300 << imho this is lame, sheerly from the fact that i need 10x as many keystrokes to transform an old link to a usable one.
asciilifeform: and the examples are quite contrived.
punkman: bought that Hario grinder yesterday, gotta wonder if the Engrish in the manual is not on purpose.
phf: i meant the first one
phf: oh i'm sure it's going to go down 5 minutes after i check in for the night
phf: for how much confusion the order switch creates, perhaps should allow for reversal, but i'd really like there to be one canonical way
mircea_popescu: is that the thing that makes you shit blood ?
mthreat: mircea_popescu: anyway, just a trip to the US. Went to the classic jet aircraft association conference, met bunch of jet pilots.
trinque: I'm gonna poke the DC monday about moving to a box with moar cores, and will probably push some updates to the bot itself too then
trinque: oh, $v with the OTP
mthreat: trinque: it does for $up, but I don't know what command to send for the "verify" command
trinque: yep, I need to replace that box; it's straining under doing that and being a bitcoin node at the same time
mircea_popescu: trinque hey, various peeps complaining deedbot is ignoring their $up.
mircea_popescu: nothing peculiar there.
mircea_popescu: jurov couldja ask the actual question plox ty.
jurov: mircea_popescu: is there any mpex mintenance going on?
asciilifeform: like 99% of the 'intellectualz' of his time.
asciilifeform: and iirc he got seriously hot&bothered thinkin' of '30s totalitarian inca empires.
asciilifeform: afaik the only one who did.
asciilifeform: sheckley predicted the shit-future
mircea_popescu: then again most people predicted trump.
mircea_popescu: notably, he has the sex-fiend ex car salesman thing. guy predicted trump!
mircea_popescu: (alte americi ie other americas was an anthology, street meet ; the lost continent ; world war last ; la vie continue)
mircea_popescu: actually, am i the only norman spinrad reader ?
mircea_popescu: ith substititive fantasies, lots of that sort of crud floating around at the time. liked n. spinrad's alte americi and masinaria rock&roll way better.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448998 << you know, if anyone actually cares, i had that book, and read it at the age (romanians did these super-glossy high value looking sf series for some reason, for a few years were the best physical item books avail in ro. http://www.endernews.com/images/covers/rom-1994-nemira.jpg << this one), but didn't think much of it. read to me like so much purple prose, some derp jacking off w
asciilifeform: 'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.'
asciilifeform: wife says to drunken husband, 'every night you drink, drink, you never bring money home, you worthless piece of shit, go visit the cemetary - see how many gravestones say 'died of vodka.'..'
mircea_popescu: meteors, cancer, orcs, other ones, women, drinking, boredom...
asciilifeform: ok who killed mircea_popescu's chums then ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's very little competition going on. i have numerous memories of "teenagers trying to compete" throughout schooling - starting with say this girl in 3rd grade even. i never competed with anyone, wtf do i care.
asciilifeform: on the other hand i recognize that the things i actually like (and consider vital) are very much not widely shared.
asciilifeform: i did not say 'would like to live very long time!11' but only that 'not in a hurry to eat the luger yet'
asciilifeform: sleeping in the ground ? like cicada eggs ?
mircea_popescu: mps are the product of mps and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: and ftr, power verticals collapse BECAUSE of appearance of the mythical beast, not the other way.
asciilifeform: then who did mircea_popescu's friends ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449148 ) in ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448987 << very many, actually. the least bothersome thing to a mp is another one.
gribble: Drexl Spivey (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0006549/quotes>; True Romance (1993) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108399/quotes>; Drexl Spivey - The Quentin Tarantino Archives: <http://wiki.tarantino.info/index.php/Drexl_Spivey>
mircea_popescu: see as a forinstance, you ~think~ that going up to some angry looking black dudes propping a streetlight in the bad part of town and sticking them up with your bare hands is "insanely suicidal risk". this is exactly not how it fucking works, as drexl explains for your benefit, if you were paying attention.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448971 << mno. it's because the fella despises the huswife notions of valuation ; and knows enough about risk to understand wtf it ACTUALLY is, and has the experience of it to have verified such understanding. earlier's convo with polish econ guy related.
mircea_popescu: but no, i couldn't care less bout the wrinkles.
mircea_popescu: you'd think that, for the same reason you think all tyhe other things around this topic.
asciilifeform: i thought it was the wrinkles ?
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet a teen actually as dumb as the average adult. ignorant, sure, but that's something else.
mircea_popescu: for the record, adults are by and large MUCH dumber than teenagers. which is why i will accept a shoddy seventeen year old to serve, but not a thirty-one year old were her ass gilded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448966 << mno. it's because they're humble enough.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448961 << that';s not the real issue. the really issue is that SELF is not a scalar, and you'd want it to be.
mircea_popescu: and you didn't getg the name wrong, un prophete.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448952 << the incentive for hearing that, notwithstanding whatever may have been said, is that the answer's ready and includes no actual effort.\
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448936 << this is nonsense. people are born every day. yes, you won't be able to make the present crop regain their youth / live forever / be happy / bla bla. nor are these valid goals, outside of daydreaming.
asciilifeform: all i propose is the 'structural steel.'
mircea_popescu: but they'll never build such a tower of babel as to actually touch the definitive-complete-actually-happens-clockwork.
mircea_popescu: hey, there's no objection to your very valid criticisms in locus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: present-day state of the art in programs is closer to the arab 'insha'llah' ('allah's will drives atoms to do whatever the fuck they want, what is this science thing') than to anything else.
mircea_popescu: which goes directly to your "correct program for all electrically-possible inputs". there is never going to be a very interesting program which takes an ennumeralbe list of inputs. such is the sad fate of things.
asciilifeform: dodging the question of what ~actually~ happens.
mircea_popescu: sentient is in any case not the proper word. the point is that if observer future behaviour is modulated by the observation, this is one class of thing. such as is the man, or the cat. and if observer future behaviour is not so modulated, then this is another class of thing. such as a rock.
asciilifeform: bohr rather.
mircea_popescu: the point is that interaction changes a system and observation is not priviledged.
asciilifeform: he had motherfucking 'sentient observers'
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you read, but human wasn't bohr's concern either.
mircea_popescu: you not familiar with the scandal where einstein wouldn't take the heisenberg uncertainity ?
mircea_popescu: you forget or simplky dunno the ridiculous phase towards the end where he was refusing various bits of physics on the grounds that they insulted his religious notions ?
mircea_popescu: right in there.
asciilifeform: the man was in a deeper sense an antiscientist than lysenko.
mircea_popescu: but the problem remains teh problem.
mircea_popescu: this approach is so utterly naive as to rather call to mind britney spears.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, the cause and effect chain breaks down and the pistol jams BECAUSE you tied the cart to this arrangement