asciilifeform: that was the kind of american to respect !111
asciilifeform: sometime during this, the story went, he found his wife dangling from noose in that workshop
asciilifeform: then bricked, back up.
asciilifeform: or perhaps he welded them on
asciilifeform: turned out, old owner built his airplane in there.
asciilifeform: i once knew a fella whose father's house had a peculiar, oblong mark in the brickwork behind garage.
asciilifeform: nobody forgot how to make the bicycle cardboard thingies.
asciilifeform: the machines, as usual, are not at fault.
asciilifeform: and not taking up space on road, in air, in the sea, etc.
asciilifeform: or in the ground
asciilifeform: 19 of every 20 derps in the motherfucking cars belong, at best, in servant's quarters
mircea_popescu was lucky enough to grow up hating the right things!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: was lucky enough to destroy the things he grew up hating
asciilifeform: shangri-la, on other hand !
ben_vulpes: "west coast! covered wagons, right? have they wired portland for AC yet?"
asciilifeform: do they even have dentists in such towns
ben_vulpes: in a town the auto hasn't ruined
asciilifeform: iirc if you calc the 'millimorts', the max theoretical lifespan of usian is CAPPED at somewhere like 300 yrs (taken, yes, with eternally unchanging Reich) PURELY by the car.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Also transportation. How else do people in the know go between southern, middle, and western illinois?
mircea_popescu: might also be the fear of flying.
asciilifeform: it is the bureaucracy.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: in the conversations context ofc, i know they exist and are used by self-dusting farmers
asciilifeform: and it isn't even that the machines are costly, my car, when was new, cost ~= what a gently used 2seater would.
asciilifeform: where the dentists take off.
ben_vulpes: also dentists fly gliders all the time wtf
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:54 ben_vulpes: individuals can stay up for quite some time, but if you have any concentration of them taking off at 7a to get to work, there's your density-close-to-the-ground problem
mircea_popescu: nobody's arguing that, either.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it isn't that you have no point, but that the 'usgificated air is the best world' is a panglossism.
ben_vulpes: other places where one person was landing uncontrolledly at a time?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know who loved the 40s more than usians ? argentines.
ben_vulpes: yes ofc points in 3space nigh impossible to get close to each other
mircea_popescu: if plane were like bus, it would STILL fail to make all house cost the same.
mircea_popescu: bus exists, fails to make all restaurants cost the same
asciilifeform: back when i rode in buses, i was usually the only white face aboard.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: much of the complexity comes from the paucity of airport
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457108 ~all , actually. pretty fucking hard to get two things to collide outside of the very narrow approach lanes
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:46 asciilifeform: (if the things were reasonably common, the order-of-magnitude diff b/w e.g., ohio and d.c. would not appear reasonable even to idiot)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457107 << it would, yes. notice that even if the town has bus service, a TWO order of magnitude difference between what a meal costs appears reasonable even to idiots.
asciilifeform: not even speaking of the air.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 22:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, minus the industry. they only kept the "jobs", which anyone has and as best as anyone can discern, consist entirely of paychecks.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456960 << if the folks showing up to 'job where there is only paycheque' were taken off the board, there would be quite enough room even on motherfucking 'beltway' (infamously congested road circling washington)
ben_vulpes: the shares though, you have some
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the bridge is for sale in nyc
asciilifeform: run the numberz.
ben_vulpes: "oh but they would all live in the country with nobody around and each with their own runway!"
ben_vulpes: individuals can stay up for quite some time, but if you have any concentration of them taking off at 7a to get to work, there's your density-close-to-the-ground problem
ben_vulpes: falling derps is not the problem, it's collisions unavoidable due to relative speeds and human inability to a) perceive and b) react in time
asciilifeform: and your grandparents - were not flattened by falling derps in their cardboard flyingcoffins.
asciilifeform: the 1920s-40s EXISTED
asciilifeform: usg packs them into tiny space, then yes, clearly, usg control is 'necessary' to keep'em from colliding.
asciilifeform: the 'corridors', for instance.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm quite convinced that the difficulties of air traffic are artificial.
asciilifeform: just the folks who can afford 80 hp flying. which ~ought~ to be a few %.
asciilifeform: ups the density.
asciilifeform: (if the things were reasonably common, the order-of-magnitude diff b/w e.g., ohio and d.c. would not appear reasonable even to idiot)
ben_vulpes: air traffic control on the scale of car-economy would be an utter nightmare
asciilifeform: i still think that small planes were bureaucratically strangled to avoid threatening the real estate racket.
asciilifeform: for a while folks really thought 'plane was the next car'
asciilifeform: the 'ercoupe' thing in the background is interesting. i live not so far from where the old 'erco' factory was, where the things were made. it was, iirc, a plane with simplified controls and extremely stable dynamics, for lamers to fly. sold like hotcakes, until the bottom fell out of the market in '47
asciilifeform: i feel hardly any envy for the joe stack folks of today, who spend an hour filling out forms for every 2 flown
asciilifeform: and, witness, pre-bureaucracy artifact - no radio in there
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo would approve of the old wood'n'cardboard'n'tinfoil airplanes - no lardarse could go up in it
asciilifeform: i found the thing incredibly appealing.
mircea_popescu: (computing engineering and airplane engineer have a lot in common - the fully visible thing is a security and maintenance thing. just like bash.)
mircea_popescu: and if you didn't play the harp just so, could very well end up fulfilling that motor's lawnmowing destiny.
asciilifeform: there were literally no hidden parts but for the motor, which was a very modest 80 hp thing
asciilifeform: and could see all through fuselage (original, unmolested) all the way where they led into wing & tail.
asciilifeform: whole thing was moved by steel cables that you could actually ~see~ and grab, right in the cockpit
asciilifeform: in other 'news', http://imgur.com/4nqeK3A << in a museum (hands on right hand side are of pet). one of the machines on exhibit was gettable into
mircea_popescu: (anyone grinned at the ever, period pun ?)
asciilifeform: then.
mircea_popescu: suppose in some way you end up in possession of a world-renowned female for ther buttlove skills.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're telling me that there's no possible configuration, context or circumstance in which you'd rather fuck girl in ass, ever, period.
asciilifeform: it's a fable from the fables of mircea_popescuaesop
asciilifeform: mats: that 'phriendship iz magick' or, in other words, you can't make the other kid give you the chicken
mats: hoped to sign on one day, to contribute to either s.nsa
mats: i didn't learn anything from the s.bbet story, no
asciilifeform: as in the famous jp midget tankz
mircea_popescu: jus' one of the rare cases where english diminutive obviously wurx
asciilifeform: the 'tanklet' existed also! танкетка, tanquette, or what in english world is called 'midget tank'
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/pnkpx << in other unrelated lulws. web 2.0 invents its new, physics defying maffs!
asciilifeform: they can feed pirannhas ferallicare.
asciilifeform: i've no use for the convex ones
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it depend on the manjka in question ?
asciilifeform: the poor unloved '3-letter'
asciilifeform: i confess i prefer the front.
asciilifeform: (it is no mega-seekrit that mircea_popescu and i disagree on 1,001 things, yet he keep inviting me places. for the time being at least.)
asciilifeform: mats: i assume you learned something from the bbet story.
asciilifeform: mats: i cannot answer for the former, i have 0 control of it.
asciilifeform: mats et al: there are two s.nsa's. there is the mpex asset, which you were prolly asking about, and there is my actual work, which is to 0 extent actually enabled by the ~450 btc in the piggy, and will continue even if mircea_popescu one day drums me out of the chan
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: phuctor is phucking nao, mircea_popescu sounds pleased or at least entertained, so i imagine it's bought a stay from the divestment for a quarter...
a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 21:54 mircea_popescu: mno. at the rate we're going s.nsa is publishing a closure statement early may.
mats: but does s.nsa live or die? this is the question burning in my chest
mircea_popescu: check out the aspiring triteness.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure ms flight was written by 1 guy and they purchased it
asciilifeform: we had a joystick, funnily, but it never worked, brother bought it at outdoor blackmarket, we could find no port to plug it in 'iskra'. then in usa we ended up with 'commodore' and guess what - that thing fit...
mircea_popescu: about as bad as the shit apple came up with in the same period, you'd just look at it and wonder wtf is this
mircea_popescu: the ~only game made by classical microsoft (the shitshow that was trying to get windows 3.1 to be something) was a "flight simulator"
asciilifeform: made for 'trippy' memory of the gamez
asciilifeform: buncha shit was unplayable until my brother wrote tsr util that diddled the video board when magic key hit
mircea_popescu: i mostly liked the bar scenes
mircea_popescu: anyway. liked f-19 but never played that muych either. just... rt not my cup.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-02 20:21 phf: i like how the first one uses protective incantations. "henceforth and therefore ipso facto ... DATABASES!"
mircea_popescu: there was a peculiar "I am the X-approved candidate for Y supported by K L and M according to token Q and item W" idiocy i saved somewhere, lemme dig it up.
mats: it was all 'my mentor is now SVP at IBM', 'my cube-mate went on to work for former Intel CEO some-guy-i-don't-care-about', 'i learned so much working with the board at Silicon Valley Bank' at every tech, bidness conference i have ever been to
mircea_popescu: yeah, on one end of the spectrum. on the other, the very fucking grammar changes, with a lot of "the x of y" constructions, verbing of nouns, periphrase-by-metaphor and all sorts of weird.
mats: name droppers are the worst
mircea_popescu: it's ridiculous, at this rate the language will be mostly nouns before the century is out.
mircea_popescu: the most amusing thing re ustards is, the sheer volume of NAMED entities they need to produce as much as a paragraph
phf: well, not even a decenarian math containment then
asciilifeform: eh the latter still worx
mircea_popescu: nor a general spiteful distance from all of them.
mircea_popescu: well somehow. you're not an anthropologist. as a result, you don't have the ability to pick any random culture you wish
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 21:39 mircea_popescu: but in other lulz, http://bidla.net/35457-manka-za-chetkost-vazy-interesuetsya.html
mircea_popescu: older derps go for crapolade a la "bridges of madison country" ; socially awkward derps go for a spectrum between "ER" and "sex in the city" ; younguns watch ineptitudes more varied.
mircea_popescu: chick lit : "romance" g-g-b type settings, where the bff g is entirely castrated ; procedurals of various types ; "romance" of the fish-out-of-water and other exotica type ; "suffering" type.
mircea_popescu: yeah, minus the industry. they only kept the "jobs", which anyone has and as best as anyone can discern, consist entirely of paychecks.
asciilifeform: minus the industry
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 20:44 mircea_popescu: i kinda got a hankering for the old "young female is sent to be nurse/teacher/whatever at remote village, discovers and falls in love with local tractor driver" films.
phf: kids with their internets will never find the joy of finding racy chapters in the "The Great Library of Foreign Literature (unabridged special edition)"
phf: hehe, i remember that one because of the refrain, "ole, quid ad te"
mircea_popescu: martial ftw, owns both their asses.
mircea_popescu: in other wtf, wtf has lovecraft found "licentious" in fucking whitman ?! really, ovid's filth without his grace ? wut ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Pete prolly would have archived the old bets by nao.
BingoBoingo: And the new ownership still has yet to do anything with BitBet
ben_vulpes: proxy for all sorts of thing, but the entertainment comes from contrasting that bit of information with public comportment
mircea_popescu: [incidentally, saying that some vory ACTUALLY ENJOYS fucking some mary in the ass would have been a pretty serious insult]
ben_vulpes: the "dreamers"?
mircea_popescu: lafond's entire blog is all about this, "look one and all, come and gaze upon the incredibru frozen shitball - the more you work it, the soft it gets!"
mircea_popescu: thugs and muggings, at the hand of either white dudes dressed in blue or black dudes dressed in those weird ankle pants they wear.
ben_vulpes: what has been "working" the ustards?
mircea_popescu: numbers can win any contest, provided work-hardening is on the table. but if the material doesn't work-harden, there's no hope in numbers. au contraire.
mircea_popescu: obviously, softer material than their persecutors
mircea_popescu: phf by suka i meant specifically, the set of stalin-pardoned thieves
phf: but my specific use in text comes from the fact that su thieves were using that kind of forms of popular girl names to address their male bitches
mircea_popescu: romanian does the same thing, through a wide array of diminutives.
mircea_popescu: the reason the images are so lulzy (mostly in the dumb blonde line) is because without further explanation, it can readily be "dumb girl mary"
phf: Man'ka is a form of Man'ya is a form of the name Maria
phf: ben_vulpes: russian has a way to modify words from more formal to less formal using more or less standard rules for changing the root and adding suffixes
deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] On the killing of children. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/on-the-killing-of-children/
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is 100% what "rap" was all about, and it failed miserably altogether.
mircea_popescu: but no, dumb as bricks these people.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, think from the other perspective : if you were a moderately powerful producer, what the fuck ELSE would you do than exactly this, trying to cash in some holywood clout for some underworld connections ?
mircea_popescu: i know, factually, they exist. they aren't depicted. why not ? "they wouldn't sell ?" gimme a break ?
mircea_popescu: consider, where are all the hollywood movies depicting in painstaking detail the lives of the poor tynisha ysais and her boyfriend(s) who offer her sexual services to friends as a matter of course ? where's the dom com about this set of social security cowsies kept by ex highschool footbal kid ? etc ?
phf: hah, they can't can they. su thieves maintained that support infrastructures of манька's for own purposes, but that's not really a feature of u.s. prison system. i've not actually thought of that
mircea_popescu: mind issuing short summaries for the ... most everyone whop's not gonna click on twitter ?
mircea_popescu: not like they can cut themselves a path anywhere. today's jews, like 1930s' jews, are headed where the jews go.
mircea_popescu: but yes the fundamental truth behind the propaganda is exactly this cold reality : "nobody wants you, middle class america." tis true, too.
mircea_popescu: i honestly expected he'll blow off the charts, he was incredibly talented as a young man
phf: i knew a handful of skinheads in russia through sambo and while i don't share their views i find the movie preposterous. an urban intelligentisa play-believes a tough guy, gets raped, cries and repents.
phf: probably why inglorious basteds degenerated into slapstick, tarantino was trying to say something about cinema, propaganda and art and couldn't get the conclusion he wanted
mircea_popescu: (also the compete explanation offered privately as to why say pacino is an actor, and norton is a nobody : showed up at wrong time.)
mircea_popescu: this being also the argument as to cinema not being art.
phf: it's like best periods in cinema are also effective propaganda, and whatever continues is made by directors who honed their art during propaganda period or else it's унылое говно
mircea_popescu: the italians had a very similar thing going in the 50s as a result of the state planned "cinecita" in rome. il uomo delle stelle, famously, or stuff like cari fottutissimi amici more obscurely.
BingoBoingo: China still reacting MP's joke about moving there from last year http://chinalawtranslate.com/nsed/
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure more moscow children were born in the ural as a result of that cinema push than for any other reason.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, those were mostly the glory days of soviet cinema, truck caravans with projectors embedded touring the country like a sort of circus act on steroids. the latter "tour bus" / "cocksucker blues" us star worship stuff but a pale copy.
mircea_popescu: does anyone happen to remember that [chinese i think it was ?] one where the culmination was some sort of productive inefficiency at a truck depot driven by gate congestion, so The Rebel backed up his truck into the compound wall tearing it down like straw (apparently back then the chinese trucks weren\t made out of tin foil) and making a new gate ?
phf: my great grandmother called those movies агитка
mircea_popescu: at the time they were of course insufferable, but in the current context they're some of the better parodies available.
mircea_popescu: i kinda got a hankering for the old "young female is sent to be nurse/teacher/whatever at remote village, discovers and falls in love with local tractor driver" films.
asciilifeform: gotta wait for the lot.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 17:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456762 << speaking of which, so it's like 900k/1.2mn loaded and then it starts to tickle them ?
BingoBoingo: "When we met with the NEDC, we were again faced with the question of what ethnicity we would choose for our adopted embryos. We wanted additional siblings to feel connected to our first two children racially, and asked the team at the NEDC if we could be matched with African-American embryos."
mircea_popescu: whatever you call the non-us people these days, i think it's not niggers anymore, maybe.
mircea_popescu: no it's good like fluoride, strengthens teeth
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 16:10 asciilifeform refreshes the ledger of teh phucked , ~1500 !
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-24#1456762 << speaking of which, so it's like 900k/1.2mn loaded and then it starts to tickle them ?
mircea_popescu: mackensen was staying in bucharest at the time.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, this wilhelm being the original architect of the holocaust - not only by proposing that the correct response to "the nuisance" would be an all-worlds (ie, new and old) pogrom "a la Russe", but even by indicating gas!)
mircea_popescu: alf's picture on the cover ?
asciilifeform: copyrast back-catalogues have ~same relation to the actuality as 'winamp' playlists had to '90s w4r3z.
mircea_popescu: phf to me that seems very much bait-and-switchy. if i were to judge, it'd make me guess they do not have it.
phf: i think google newspapers archive comes from their library digitizing project, so quite possible that the copy is not easily accessible. this telegraph archive gives the bit as "highlight" so they are perhaps aware of their position
asciilifeform: actually simpler than you think. most of the microfilm in american libs was supplied from just a few reproduction houses, and they in turn, from the orig publisher
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, yeah, maybe someone cut a hole in that day's edition all over the world. suddenly we have a whole mystery novel on our hands
mircea_popescu: obviously every library with the newspaper has it, but i was discussing the intershit.
BingoBoingo: ". @rabite fanfic by Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/
"
mircea_popescu: it's incredible what the people who don't have the time to preserve historical documents nevertheless find time for.
mircea_popescu: phf did you find all the inept psychanalizing yet btw ? german side, english side, hatred of mother, bla bla ?
asciilifeform: ditto americans - the 'maine'
mircea_popescu: the coincidences sure do pile.
shinohai: Looks like someone went to the geocities school of coding.
phf: hilarious, you can find durpy commentary from boston same year, but not the original
mircea_popescu: then the nazis took the other tack - gave exactly nothing while goebbels outshrewed the shrews in nagging, and as a result the whole fucking thing came apart.
mircea_popescu: derpy wilhelm trying to actually "give assurances" and wondering why the shrew keeps nagging unabated. doh.
mircea_popescu: admitting this notion of equality that reduces to equivalence pretty much guarantees failure, which is why they keep insisting with it, obviously.
mircea_popescu: this whole construction is very well understood in marital terms. inept husbands try to treat the wife as another man, and reason with her in that manner, which works about as well as it worked for historical germany.
mircea_popescu: is not possible for the internet to know anything, apparently, outside of inane details of the valley of venus.
mircea_popescu: not by the internet.
mircea_popescu: and "the people" are like o noes he insulted womanhood!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the interview in question is pretty funny in the whole gaddafi line, because it is EXACTLY the brits poking the dog so it may bite so it may be killed. and the dog is like "wtf is wrong with you people ?"
asciilifeform: did we even know, they had shannonizer in 1908...
mircea_popescu: may show itself great and self-respecting and heroic. Much more of the new virtue is of course greatly needed ; but there is enough in sight already to indi- cate clearly in what direction the world, the family of nations, the community of peoples, is moving, in
mircea_popescu: "Quickness to take insult and feel honor insulted is no longer considered the only or even the proper manner in which a nation
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 16:02 deedbot: [Trilema] The Chosen - http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/
asciilifeform refreshes the ledger of teh phucked , ~1500 !
mircea_popescu: i'll have to remember to only whine about this at parties and other safe havens away from earshot.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o ya ? find me if you will thefucking text of wilhelm's 1908 daily telegraph interview
mircea_popescu: weren't you supposed to bring cultures together in the sense of inter-referential recontextualization you little bitch you.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vivian+Hsu | ... actress, singer, songwriter, and model. AShe's also the recent endorser of Hang Ten. Love Storm, Say Say Say U Love Me, Decide to Love You, Shao Nu Dui.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vivian+Hsu | ... actress, singer, songwriter, and model. AShe's also the recent endorser of Hang Ten. Love Storm, Say Say Say U Love Me, Decide to Love You, Shao Nu Dui.
mircea_popescu: in other news http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/we_made_him_watch_7608.jpg
BingoBoingo: The slants as Apple's confused idea of me downloaded: 天天萌萌消2016魔法经典版(正版授权) - 糖果星球连连看，每天不停消消消！单机免费免流量也能开心玩的消除小游戏！
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not unless they're nude. << And NOT Kim now that she's just fat.
asciilifeform has nfi, hears of the thing for first time
mircea_popescu: so far it reads as exactly nothing more than "burn the witch, though we did do the nose"
asciilifeform: hey, comprehended enough to find the fella and gas?
mircea_popescu: "organized crime, any activity too complex to be comprehended by highschool dropouts equipped with the latest version of excel"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the lulzy crime of "not being squishy enough".
mircea_popescu: "Thirty six year old Danny Manupassa is alleged to have been running the network and has ordered him to be held 14 days while police search for actual evidence of criminal activity on the network. " << odd grammar.
asciilifeform: phf: whereas now half the time i can't make a correct link when i want one
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 00:14 phf: i'm basically going to leave things as is. /log/?date= is legacy linking support purely to facilitate old blog entries. it'll render, but will otherwise be unsupported
asciilifeform: and has just the right flavour.
asciilifeform: 'what if there's two' 'not that type' etc
a111: Logged on 2016-04-24 00:12 mircea_popescu: btw, as a curio,. anyone can actually read the two men's dialogue ?
phf: i'm basically going to leave things as is. /log/?date= is legacy linking support purely to facilitate old blog entries. it'll render, but will otherwise be unsupported
mircea_popescu: btw, as a curio,. anyone can actually read the two men's dialogue ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next one's "the chosen", will put it to paper after i[m back from town.
mircea_popescu: correcting the url's not bad. phf you tried any local mod rewrite stuff or not running apache
phf: i just render in-place, but if you click arround it "corrects" the url
phf: can probably just render the page when ?date= is provided, but doing any sort of cleaning around fixes the url
mircea_popescu: not unless they're nude.