mircea_popescu: the video he just linked ?
asciilifeform: seems like it was where moldbug stole his basic thesis.
gribble: (misc help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
asciilifeform: ah the 'democracy, god that failed' guy
asciilifeform: if nothing could die, and whole world were one gigantomollusc, where would the sea go, aha.
asciilifeform: before the gigantism death.
mircea_popescu: much like crustaceans can't be helped - if you remove the things that kill them they'll just grow to death.
mircea_popescu: this is not a solvable problem. the better the tools get, the more i'll shit on them to the point i can't recall wtf it all was - which is ~the only limit of human mental process.
asciilifeform: see if we can cut a hole in the night.
asciilifeform recalls thread but - as often is the case - has no foothold to find it by
asciilifeform: tho the thread may have been about programmers
mircea_popescu: the point was girl inquiring why contrariwise to expectation, the longer they've been at it the worse they are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this discussion re street performers and why they suck, street takes all and keeps no-one so ends up selecting for shit.
mircea_popescu: the future is not too distant where i'll be spending my whole day with that!
mircea_popescu: fuck off i go back to the search mines
mircea_popescu: the street discussion applies.
asciilifeform: the kind visible with unarmed eye, aha.
mircea_popescu: that's whoredom in the sense kids coding php when needing money to go out is programming.
mircea_popescu: your idea of a whore sounds a lot more like gypsy family - where the man turns out the woman whenever hard up for cash.
asciilifeform: the latter, at least to my untrained eye, looks more like marriage than whoredom
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldn't the 'my windfall catcher worx!11' approach be ~more~ emblematic of 'whoredom' than 'finally i found the great patron' ?
mircea_popescu: it has the unintended side effect of locking smart bois into local minimums, also, and eventually spawns some variation of cccp/usg, but still. on the basic-est level, it prevents caveman who killed a mammooth from tearing out his spleen.
mircea_popescu: the human mechanism is homeostatic, even if shoddy.
mircea_popescu: there are no good solutions to humanatee's problems.
asciilifeform: think of the cargocultists.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's how preteens operate, and the slower ones at that.
mircea_popescu: who knew, my dislike of artists turns out to be the same general dislike of insufficiently whorish behaviour.
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY that. "this windfall proves that my passive, mystical windfall capture works well, and that there shall be more such in the future".
mircea_popescu: but re the "she just assumed that next assignment will "find" her just as this one did", i actually knew A LOT of these back when i was doing "business major/design/advertising" 20somethings in romania.
mircea_popescu: as the bard put it, teh lady doth protest.
mircea_popescu: which may explain why so much of their verbiage is dedicated to variations of that peculiar statement
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, actually that might be the confusion made there in fact: despite claiming precisely that they do NOT sell bagels, artists assume that they precisely sell bagels
mircea_popescu: certainly. but neither chix were it.
asciilifeform: there is such thing as bad tho
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "good" outside of who your patrons are.
asciilifeform: (could it be, that if the artist is ~any good~, it is a seller's ?)
mircea_popescu: bagel is seller's market. artistry is buyer's market. not the same thing.
asciilifeform: the next day, he went to his doorstep and opened door and notice that the baker had not come to his house.
mircea_popescu: and bondage the only hope at continuing it once started ?
mircea_popescu: if this is how her head works then rape's her only chance at starting a family
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> yeah, and she got paid, and then... that's the last i heard of her. somehow this is sensible, starving arists gets commission fall from sky, does 0 follow-up. <- she does drawings, not following-ups ("eeek, business, work!")
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of the scale, trish whatshername, the oglaf chick, wouldn't commission. i dunno, i guess they must be rich in australia or w/e.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and she got paid, and then... that's the last i heard of her. somehow this is sensible, starving arists gets commission fall from sky, does 0 follow-up.
asciilifeform: he dwelleth in the halls of spamalhalla now.
mircea_popescu: pity the only illustrator went berserk last month, could have had a comic on your hands here.
asciilifeform: and when the great stone broke apart, mircea_popescu did say: 'verily it was pre-op'
mircea_popescu: he'd better be fucking good at it, because historically mp doesn't tolerate ineptitude in fathers all too well.
mircea_popescu: allfather ?!
asciilifeform: long ago, allfather odin made a planet with mircea_popescu on it, and everything else was female, except for a tall and mighty stone. but eventually lichens ate away at the stone, it cleaved into two concave pieces, and they too were female.
mircea_popescu: the amount of divergence from sanity does not concern me nearly as much as the direction.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently the world of the future consists of "12 dudes to kill and a hippy chick everyone wants to bang"
mircea_popescu: not to mention the only female is wanted alive. why the fuck is it that these cheesecunted lesbos with delusions of creativity will make a female heorine that gotta kill dudes only ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: author clearly did not know the future, unlike mircea_popescu ..?
mircea_popescu: the pricing structure for this comedic silkroad thing is ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta appreciate how short the id numbers are in 2112 tho. i guess conan musta wonan.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a great story tho, esp the ending
BingoBoingo: Anyways, there is plenty of history concerning the elderly living vicariously through the adventures of those around them.
mircea_popescu: also F ids of the future will have tits in pic if i have any say in it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why is this cartoon bitch short ? ffs. at least the fantasy characters they could go to the trouble of making 1.78 or something.
BingoBoingo: People cope with their elderlyness in different ways
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> beseides, he has fambly. << They live out in the country some distance, he discourages them from joining him on the plantation
mircea_popescu: and yes, ftr, the idiocies sprouting out of vorheees re the shapeshift thing smell of parallel construction a mile away.
asciilifeform: (is it a 'not one foot of my motherland will i surrender to orc horde' thing ? or something else)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo did lafond ever say why he lives there ?
asciilifeform: ;;;later tell BingoBoingo did lafond ever say why he lives there ?
asciilifeform: (i had nfi they needed dirigibles to get up & down from...)
mircea_popescu: the one exceptional case in recorded history is debated ; and she didn't have it with some dude either.
mircea_popescu: no woman comes in this world with a promise that the fruit of her cunt will amount to anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let them grow up on wood spirits and stevia soup for all i care.
asciilifeform: http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/04/25/shapeshift-hack-simply-incredible << in other lulz
asciilifeform: (where the language makes it quite feasible to check the consistency of the system's state at however many points and cleanly seppuku if it falls into a 'must've cosmicrayed')
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458429 << rad-hardness via software is surely an absurdity, if contemplated in the sense of 'lead shield', but it really doesn't hurt to handle various 'can't-happens' a la ada.
asciilifeform: and the more idiot 'cocklets' grow up on the mit-flavoured 'we must experiment and do basic science to learn how libraries work, fuhgeddabout first principles' curriculum, the moar of this there will be.
mircea_popescu: and re dantup link : idiot has a "disqus" comment form, so he'll never know that what he has to do now is shut the fuck up and read up on the most serene republic. which is just as well.
mircea_popescu: the catch being that unless given whips and a cemetery to fill, the grunts will overpower the drill sgt, and instead of the latter lifting the former, it'll just be the former flattening the latter into a parodic figure.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's no dispute that the only salvation for usians alive today is to be found in slavery.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's other news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/0ba742ea028185ae8761b05802799bac/tumblr_nihoj8cgjJ1rlusxso1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: But the fat police
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so scruffy pothead running with a backpack is surprised to find the police might have some questions. mmmkay ?
mircea_popescu: o brother.
phf: (full of normally high resolution jpegs, or any other standard format images)
mircea_popescu: lol how to be a boring shithead
ben_vulpes: the color is limited to covers
ben_vulpes: in the vein, i suppose
mircea_popescu: o hey, sorta like johnny the homicidal maniac would be if it had color and it were a girl ?
ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/a/b6GDM << nevertheless, i further procure a very humrng sample of the work
mircea_popescu: Drakma/2.0.1_(Clozure_Common_Lisp_Version_1.10-r16531M << check iot out there exists a cl web browser ?
ben_vulpes: and you'd not care for the trouble it takes to set my flags even were i
mircea_popescu: can i has a 1mb summary ? i dun really care for the flac version
ben_vulpes: so's to capture the absurd level of detail.
ben_vulpes: anyway i don't see how 'need' enters into anything. tis only as i said more or less how i procured the thing
ben_vulpes: only made it through vol. 1, just curious if you'd seen the thing
ben_vulpes: https://kat.cr/tank-girl-ultimate-mega-collection-emidius-t9778866.html << 's the one i procured
mircea_popescu: just going by the movie. got al ink for comic ?
ben_vulpes: howso? c.p. is a 'save the world' sorta thing, t.g., much more "drink beer slaughter normies with nukes"
mircea_popescu: ie, the move ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's 2/2 for bothered today
asciilifeform: 'The Dual_EC_DRBG RNG was later reported to probably contain a backdoor inserted by the National Security Agency, while the other three random number generators are still considered secure' << are we at the circus ??
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 02:09 phf: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2204118 "The venerable Linux /dev/random served users of cryptographic mechanisms well for a long time. ... In the last years, however, the Linux /dev/random showed signs of age where it has challenges to cope with modern computing environments"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458335 << do i need to dissect this step by step, or is the braindamage obvious ?
mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: "The cryptographic processing of the entropic data is implemented with a well-known and well-studied deterministic random number generator: an SP800- 90A DRBG as defined in [2] – naturally excluding the NSA-sponsored Dual-EC DRBG. "
mircea_popescu: the venerable penis, also.
phf: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/2204118 "The venerable Linux /dev/random served users of cryptographic mechanisms well for a long time. ... In the last years, however, the Linux /dev/random showed signs of age where it has challenges to cope with modern computing environments"
shinohai: I found it funny the # of reported .gov emails supposedly in this dump
mircea_popescu: the national bank of quatar is marginally qualified to serve street kebap. in a year or two they may get their game up to where they can make a tardstalk account and not seem out-of-place idiotic.
mircea_popescu: wtf "sop". no fucking "sop". i sold them no sop licenses. and who the fuck cares about employee counts, bejaysus.
asciilifeform: then possibly
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, more youtube views than romania altogether lol. clearly media blackout works!!1
mircea_popescu: (ro tards are, like all third world shitheads, verily enamoured with the zombie-libtard venues)
mircea_popescu: so : turns out a) the guy is romanian ; b) COMPLETE ro media blackout on him. i think they're embarassed. ~only mention is from jan pointing out he was mentioned in huffpo
mircea_popescu: all the famous shit nobody knew about.
trinque: in my mind, it is about an appreciative john that thanked his favorite whores with their own music video
mircea_popescu: and in other gay prison music videos news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iUGfURqyhs
mircea_popescu: and in other news, i get http://dpaste.com/3T7BNAM which is somewhat flattering, because https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2016-02/msg00225.html
trinque: gotta make sure it's bit-identical with the py implementation
mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, the new argentine govt liberalised the fx ; as a result the anemic bitcoin market (which was doing 1-10 btc/day throughout the financial controls regime) entirely vanished. i'd be surprised if monthly volume country wise reached 20 btc now.
asciilifeform: but which is the 'same thing'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i dun even recall there being any oop in ms basic << i didn't care for the naming conventions! SAME THING!
phf: i agree re piece of shit, but not sure about libcurl, i remember it being a pain in the ass to "configure" to do simple things
punkman: phf, speaking of requests in particular (about 80% of the py code I write does http reqs), I've conclude that it's a piece of shit along with everything from the author
trinque: seems right that the very things that make it expedient for hacking something together are what rot the "ecosystem"
phf: actually i wrote some code couple of months ago for qbasic because i was curious about the surprisingly feature rich gui stuff. wish i knew about that growing up
asciilifeform: there are even now basic users.
asciilifeform: trinque: the infamous 'gorillas.bas' came with msdos tho
asciilifeform: i dun even recall there being any oop in ms basic
asciilifeform: i dun see oopism in there ?
mircea_popescu: myeah. monkeys.bas was full of the shit, iirc, but at the time more of a "check out how weird ms is" than anything
asciilifeform: when the remoras got to it.
mircea_popescu: perhaps helped along by the fact that at the time oop was a NEW HOT MUST USE technologee
mircea_popescu: ftr, in the few and far between cases i wrote anything in c++ i also ignored the whole "oop" stuff.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 18:58 mircea_popescu: ftr, the actual page order varies on each load - diff items at bottom and tompost position. shjould also be fixed this
mircea_popescu: ftr, the actual page order varies on each load - diff items at bottom and tompost position. shjould also be fixed this
ben_vulpes: punkman: mostly the miserable OOP implementation.
trinque: fuck python; it is an example of design for "those people" i.e. the idiot consumer or whoever.
trinque: the thing having pilfered lisp's notion of operating over lists without having added anything novel/useful itself, and having removed many useful things, such as the language itself being those lists
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it already annihilates some of the crappier browserz
punkman: ben_vulpes: I don't think there's something not to hate
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (as announced in trilema, months before in the local press etc). << care to qntra a short oped on the matter this evening?
mircea_popescu: anyone even moderately inclinemd can just own any-other-site insteadf
mircea_popescu: eh, most of the webstack is SO ROTTEN anyway, you're not fighting against serious economic interest.
ben_vulpes: and ftr i motherfucking /hate/ python.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457821 << there are some minorly trivial security concerns to keep in mind when building webapps
mircea_popescu: and in other news of deep americana interest & BingoBoingo custom tail-ored, http://mormongirlz.com
mircea_popescu: (as announced in trilema, months before in the local press etc).
mircea_popescu: get THAT in the 100 baltimores it'd take.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but they're softening, bout half under 100k now, from over 150k a coupla years ago.
asciilifeform: the rape << can haz $10k flat in b-a yet ??
mats: ah yes, the fabled technocratic nomad
mircea_popescu: the last time i had a bill in my name i was 15 and thought it was cool.
mircea_popescu: mats you havta appreciate, i don't personally live anywhere ; interface the state away.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the rape the argentines are receiving is SO FUCKING SATISFYING you can't imagine.
mircea_popescu: gotta see the world!
mats: idk why you wanted to go in the first place
mats: work there now, anyways.
mats: i grew up with a number of folks that work there
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mats so they wanna put random nobody on 20 dollar bill because female and black ? mkay. << Hey, she was a gun rights supporter and early member of the GOP establishment. Definitely a Kasich voter.
mats: there is perennial talk about traditional values, but i suspect its mostly to placate the peasants
mircea_popescu: and the pretense generally annoys me.
mircea_popescu: maybe just meeting the wrong crowd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that also yeah, but i kept it lowball. i guess 1.75+ counts for A+++ in there.
mircea_popescu: mats indeed not. and also can't fucking stand the obnoxious habit of whining and no-no-no-ing etc.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu is into chix as tall as he is, of whom there are ~3 in cn.
mircea_popescu: mats what's it take to be able to pick among the B/B+s 19-29 in beijing these days ? 1mn cash + 500k/year ?
mats: or they wouldn't be pancakeface anymoar
mats: i personally dunno anyone that cares about it. money is the new religion.
mircea_popescu: fortunately ~nobody cares about pancakeface gurlz. otherwise we'd be in deep shit, from what i hear the demand is pretty crazy in china.
mats: and it is even more fragmented than in the past
mircea_popescu: fwiw, this was pretty much the only thing keeping china from demographic collapse except in 1100 not in 1900 like barbarian europe.
asciilifeform: but this is not the only criterion.
asciilifeform: teaches son to venerate father, not Great Inca.
mircea_popescu: mats what do you mean no culture ? confucianism is very good cowsy culture, i'm surprised it didn't become more popular in the us sooner
mats: i've never been able to wrap my head around these things, looks purely -ev but what do i know about economy anyways
mats: my understanding is it is purely a soft power thing, teach people mandarin, expose 'em to chinese 'culture' (there is history but no culture), with the aim of developing foreign assets perhaps
asciilifeform: if they are beginning to 'institute' it means the local poison has done its work on'em.
mats: topically, there are a lot more 'confucius institutes' since i last checked
asciilifeform: mats: they WERE, until su kgb did in the 1960s the equivalent of spraying mercury into aluminum airplane, and injected usa with 'cultural marxism' and xyz-studies etc.
mats: i dunno why americans aren't proud of beating the savages into submission and taking all their shit
punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harriet_Tubman&offset=&limit=100&action=history lol check out the edits by the dozen
mircea_popescu: "hey kids - here's a take home story : for as long as you subscribe to the correct/fashionable ideology, you too can one day be 20-dollar famous, provided were born with the right gene combo."
mircea_popescu: mats so they wanna put random nobody on 20 dollar bill because female and black ? mkay.
mircea_popescu: punkman last i saw ~50% of pop made ~500 euros, but w/e, thereabouts.
mats: some of the whining is a rehash of 'why is jackson the oppressor even on our money' and the rest is 'why a black woman, now, and what happened to the refresh of the $10 first?'
mircea_popescu: not necessarily surprising they wouldn't print a lot tho, what's most peopel to do with their salary in a single bill ?
mats: i dno, weirdly enough most of the noise is from my network that is like 5% white and weren't born in us
punkman: they aren't printing a lot of 500eur notes yet, I wonder if people are paying a premium to acquire them
phf: i thought they used to have it, but discontinued once bezzle started settling in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they existed at one time
mircea_popescu: heck, even the argentines introduced high denoms
mircea_popescu: i think it's ridiculous that there's no $1500 bill to go with the $1000 euro / $5000 ron etc.
phf: i think it's controversial that $100 no longer looks like this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R00JYEDJOe0/T_0IOf1ijyI/AAAAAAAADWE/j48TxYMCpqw/s1600/IMG_2349.JPG everything past that is just digging the grave deeper
mircea_popescu: ok but more's the point, how controversial is it ? i never heard about it.
mats: am confuse why the new $20 is so controversial
mircea_popescu: (ref: "[Announcer] Eric Seidel cannot win this hand, and yet he doesn't know it. Chan is trying to sucker him in by taking his time. Oh, look at that look of the defending champ.")
mircea_popescu: such a great time, clinton was president, the "indomitable" deficit reigned in, the wall down, floods of prime eeuro pussy everwhere...
mircea_popescu: the pinnacle of this being that scene immortalized by rounders, possibly the forever best scene of all poker since it's going out as someone was pointing out here recently.
mircea_popescu: then the actual experts feed them patterns and reel them in - which is why expert can play for twenty hours and slowly rake a room 5% at a time.
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's the whole thing with poker, the lowest level play "for fun". then the "experts" in their own narrow social circle read up on statistics once and vaguely recall the probabilities.
mircea_popescu: [which ties neatly into rng discussion yest and structured-behaviour-and-the-wot perennially]
mircea_popescu: guy's intelligent but old. this means he lacks the flexibility to see past the mental construction. he's the target.
mircea_popescu: "But fine, we are discussing arbitrary things so why not arbitrarily eliminate key US advantages? It goes with the theme of the conversation."
asciilifeform: they think?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes, exceptions. think of what the advertisers [are supposed to] think when they imagine this process.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...who the fuck would need google to find his way to something of interest today, and what's it say about them if they found it by google... << error messages.
mircea_popescu: back in 2000, there was no fucking way to know shit existed. today, not knowing shit exists means you're from india or tardstalk or something.
mircea_popescu: if i want to know who the president is, by that token i'm retarded. if i actually need to google "funny pics" to have a laugh, idem.
mircea_popescu: the simple fact is that the sphere has shattered into shattered shards. i go into detail somewhere, but too lazy to dig it up, so let's rehash briefly : who the fuck would need google to find his way to something of interest today, and what's it say about them if they found it by google ?
phf: mircea_popescu: those were anecdotes from early facebook days along the lines of "everyone i knew was doing google in ~2005~". the feature necessary to make it useful for milking were locked down way back
mircea_popescu: (like the turk, so is his pistol)
asciilifeform: as the cube dweller is, thus also is his software.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it had empty loop and grunted the floppy drv (yes) to create impression of activity
asciilifeform: 'we luvvv haskell and want to be it, so what if we have half of the min iq'
asciilifeform: 'Type inference is known to be a bit slow when inferring nested data structures. I think they’re hoping to speed it up before the release of Swift 3, but for now you can make the compilation faster by adding a type annotation...'
mats: 'the above dictionary literal code takes at least 12 hours to compile. The compilation time grows roughly exponentially with each employee that is added.'
asciilifeform: the hutus had to coordinate strikes on tutsis via radio, but modern amerikka can do better!1111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but soviets were also retarded. at some point half of leningrad got the order to kill the other half - and they did!
asciilifeform: usians are often quite surprised when i tell them that it didn't. and disbelieve.
mircea_popescu: precisely and exactly like "whatcha waitin' for ho, this cock to suck itself ?" "hey, i'm the Queen of De Nile!" "Mno, you're just some ho in the ho-bar. Get busy."
mircea_popescu: period and full fucking stop, theorethicology proposes but ontology disposes.
mircea_popescu: from the purpose of "50 policement with grenades show up", there DOES NOT EXIST such a thing as "salesman" or "charlatan".
asciilifeform: a real salesman and a charlatan are both same for the purpose of 'dun need 50 policemen with grenades', no ?
mircea_popescu: while their tummy hasn't seen two simultanerous empanadas to rub together since 1992
mircea_popescu: much like the argentine pretending to be whatever the fuck they pretend to be, real estate agents
asciilifeform: a generation ago it would've been a polite 'come to the station with us plox'