asciilifeform: i'll be quite surprised if these are to be found in the papers david s releases to machine owners
asciilifeform: rather than schematics
asciilifeform: most of the 'good stuff' was GAL listings
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 14:19 phf: no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466158 << there is one possible boojum that i know of:
phf: the intended purpose is to help lispm owners maintain systems on their own since the number of available parts is basically two stables in a barn and those are going to the usual suspects
phf: while the bulk is software, a dwindling part of it is repairs and console upkeep
mircea_popescu: what's the constraint ?
phf: like there are cable assemblies, that are handy for repairs or new construction, that i just don't have time to capture
asciilifeform: how many schmidts you had to kill to get these!
phf: there's really too much documents for my lowly eos 5d, but i'm going for teh ic schematics and such. it's mostly like "here's how you machine part 560345 front left hinge"
shinohai: I managed to make my own gentoo livecd a few weeks ago ... I used the roll-your-own initramfs thing like jurov posted earlier
asciilifeform: it is in the logz!
mircea_popescu: o hey, paymium now joins bitstamp on the list of wanna-be bitcoin exchanges that email spam.
punkman: jurov, dunno looks like it covers the whole thing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: punkman these look like kernel innards, gabriel was asking more about userspace
gribble: The operation succeeded.
indoor_jellyfish: without such a document, the masamune replication will get done, but it'll take a while..
indoor_jellyfish: I don't really understand how the C linker or the rest of the linux "toolkit" works (eg, chroot) and a detailed explanation of how I would arrange a set of files + binaries, bundle them and generate a minimal bootable USB would go a long way.
indoor_jellyfish: which uses and unpacked archive of binaries from the author of that blog post
indoor_jellyfish: ie, it the current process doesn't package together the existing libraries / binaries /sources on disk into the bootable USB, and instead uses my re-write of "Roll your own ResueCD" (https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/)
indoor_jellyfish: Does anyone know of a document that explains the linux boot process in detail? I've lisp code that builds /a/ ResuceCD (http://paste.lisp.org/display/315833) but not /the/ ResuceCD needed for Masamune.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: where ``keep it'' invoves doing the hard, useful things that need doing.
shinohai: Yup, I registered on May 25, 2015 ... how time flies. I thank you all for the knowledge I have gained in said time.
mod6: 'tis the difference between a republic that people want to be a part of and want to work, and an ad-hoc gaggle of people "doing stuff"
mircea_popescu recalls the humble beginnings when we came up with the nutty idea of having a bot do voicing in chan. that was never going to work.
mod6: there really are so many things going on, and many more to come, we gotta be able to track this stuff.
shinohai: Absolutely one of the most useful tools in Bitcoinspace hands down
mod6: now.. deedbot might have the infrastructure already in place to make this easier.
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's the iffiest part.
mod6: not sure how i'd do the encrypting part and keep it sec with minimal cost.
mircea_popescu: well alright then
mircea_popescu: and i should be able to add tickets in the same sense, either public or wot or specified persons by encrypting it to bot's key.
mircea_popescu: $tbot btcbase wot would result in a dump of the ticketlist for btcbase encrypted to my key that's of level world and level wot.
mircea_popescu: the pgp permissioning being perhaps the trickiest part of it all. but ideally iut'd work like
mod6: so, make 'tbot' for instance. then allow people to create tickets under whatever project they want.
mircea_popescu: rather than him having to make logger bots *m
mod6: cool. i'll make that the next step. getting it to be botified.
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly having another bot would be very good for resiliency in my eyes.
mod6: sounds great to me. i was just talking about stripping down atcbot and reusing the skeleton to build a bot for this.
mircea_popescu: so everyone who wants shit done by, say, btcbase, can put tickets in btcbase rather than put them here and hope they won't be forgotten in the log.
mircea_popescu: mod6 how about if there was a ticket bot ; and we had a website, a la deedbot.org, where tickets could be seen ; and we had acess control based on pgp, so that either world, lordship, or specified people can see a particular ticket set ?
mod6: or if you know the id number, do `./t.pl tickets.txt pid <TICKET_ID>`
mod6: when you're done adding/editing or deleteing a ticket, just print them if you wish `./t.pl tickets.txt p`
mod6: i may add new ways to do this in the not too distant future. either via bot, or perhaps by just like piping in the info in from the cli.
mircea_popescu: and then how would you see it ?
mod6: you can just `./t.pl tickets.txt add` and it'll prompt you from the cli.
mircea_popescu: and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2cf489cec7e1e5c79b02f9c53a1e8306/tumblr_n63cqhLGz81sdl3kwo1_250.gif
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 if you have time today to hold my hand with your T, ima move the whole "hey x plox y" thing over. << hi! i should be available in a few hours for sure.
mircea_popescu: davout iirc bitbet tried it once, for curiosity. i guess they weren't watching along back then
BingoBoingo: Maybe that it how they plan to profit?
mircea_popescu: tmsr, aka b,tmsr~ and la serenissima. The Most Serene Republic, worldwide ultimate sovereign.
mircea_popescu: (and yes crypto is snake oil atm ; for reasons expounded upon by alf an' others).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obv has his own list ; in the end it's one of those where people agreed with conclusions each for his own reason set i guess.
mircea_popescu: the other lobe is that when buying snake oil ; buy the cheapest. ecc is undully complicated.
mircea_popescu: one is that the mp excomunicated it, perhaps on the basis of not liking how it's being sold, perhaps because he reads the secret documents, who knows.
asciilifeform: davout: it is about who pushed it, how, with what fud (e.g., false claims of 'bits of security' and of equivalence thereof to rsa, etc)
asciilifeform: davout: it isn't about the mathematics per se (though it is quite considerably trickier than rsa and this is ipso facto an evil)
mircea_popescu: davout there are two lobes to this problem./
mircea_popescu: she passed to the bot a command, which contains a http bit of text. the bot took it and made it a deed ; here : http://deedbot.org/
davout: i've always been intrigued about this republican of ECC, is it because of something with the discrete logarithm problem underlying math i don't understand, or is it because of the particular way ECC crypto was developed?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-08 23:43 hanbot: deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_closure.txt.asc
fromphuctor: i used to use IRC in the 90s
mircea_popescu: the whole ecc push may go down in history as one of the finest moments of "being too smart for one's own good" lulz.
mircea_popescu: ironically, they're now seeing themselves forced to migrate back to rsa ; because ecc shit is weak.
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor yeah ; this has actually been discussed in the logs.
mircea_popescu: davout it's just that [to my parser] he's managed to merely ask questions, without veering into the normative nonsense.
fromphuctor: do u think US NIST is pushing ECC instead of RSA because they cannot crack RSA ?
mircea_popescu: the road ahead is long, and full of surprises.
mircea_popescu: besides, the web is something that happens in curl, not a browser.
fromphuctor: hopefully u should trust your browser... so u should trust the CA it supports, and so the browser support cert signed by the CA supported by the browser
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: is it so hard to grasp that the very ~concept~ of a ca is broken ?
fromphuctor: yes, but if they are giving away certs is because they want people to use theirs instead of others
mircea_popescu: so then fromphuctor : the dudes that made that aren't in the wot ; consequently, it's a scam.
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ < there.
mircea_popescu: world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?!
BingoBoingo: Either Web Of Trust or Weird Old Trains
mircea_popescu: $google "What the WoT is, how it works and how to use it"
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor you know what the wot is ?
asciilifeform: (they hired one)
asciilifeform: speaking of which, ( asciilifeform is winding up last week in rupturefarms, is there still) i met for i think first time a... 'trans' folk (he? she? zhe?)
mircea_popescu: imo this entire "can only play if the game's about me" is very much retardo-puritan nonsense, of the same ilk as "everything's a technologee and i shall better my lyf".
mircea_popescu: if you look at how the firmware works, only difference between boys and girls is ONE! Y chromosome.
asciilifeform: they got this in firmware.
mircea_popescu: why can't it just be "there's people with theorems to prove still ; and their cocks won't suck themselves" ?
asciilifeform: aha. forgoing the nagant is quite a presumptious thing. 'i have somethng more to say in the world!1111'
asciilifeform: and we do not hear from them.
asciilifeform: there is also 'selection bias'
mircea_popescu: though considering the time the same males spend playing "trading card games" and derived stuff where the levelling happens through SACRIFICING motherfucking other cards... you'd think it'd light up already.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, this is for some reason hardest for males, the simple disjunction "this one is special ; i am not special. it is my place in this world to be sacrificed for him.". it comes more naturally to mothers somehow.
asciilifeform: (you can buy it, even, on ebay, and for some reason the maker saw it fit to sand off the ic tops, implying that there is something to be gained from reversing...)
asciilifeform: ^ the lock is the mandatory usg lock, see logz where i described it in agonizing detail
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: imho death comes not when one begins to feed worms (satan knows, half the planet is feeding worms while motherfucking alive and walking)
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's mega-article re how his father didn't properly grasp that his purpose was to be eaten, etc.
mircea_popescu: so they won't.
asciilifeform: well normally the problem is discussed in terms of 'lazy fuckers won't move'
mircea_popescu: and so there isn't.
asciilifeform: (other than biodiesel reactor tank)
mircea_popescu: well the rome where term was ~29 years and they got land at the outskirts and a local slavegirl was post marian reform.
mircea_popescu: the roman version was pretty reasonable, about the same term then get land and an orc girl for a slave.
asciilifeform: as in, 'no you will never buy a chain of restaurant, plow the field and make babies'
asciilifeform: well traditionally the place ~TO~ which one moved, from it, was peasanthood
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that particular angle smacks of someone playing risk. o really, "they won ww2" ? herp. << What do you think they think they are playing?
mircea_popescu: problem being by now it's the principal intellectual activity of esl adults, risibly enough.
mircea_popescu: it's a harmless thing for 14yos to engage in, and the basis of things like business tycoon games, a large chunk of what drives lego etc.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, young males that aren't entirely dumb go almost universally through this phase of "fantasy busienss" where they keep doing various coups in their heads, start a carwash then buy a shoestore with the proceeds then trade that in for a chain fo restaurants etc etc etc.
mircea_popescu: if only there was a way to sell their genius to patton for roubles or somesuch, they could have bought the whole russian stock exchange back before it was worth anything.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that particular angle smacks of someone playing risk. o really, "they won ww2" ? herp.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what, 3% boost. << If the margins for running them are <3 then win if work
mircea_popescu: (you could, in principle, build craft result actuarial tables just like you build resource mining maps or w/e ; then you can sell insurance in the complex sort of fx deals crafters need to provision their materials.)
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-11.log.html#t19:10:15 yet another valid business model pops up in eulora
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is claptrap.
asciilifeform: the 'better asics' thing is claptrap
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> summary: todd steals mircea_popescu's idea of 'let's change pow to kill miners' << No, more "lets prevent further optimizations from counting to cement current miner cartel"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform explain "this". that it's the sad beach where every drop-out, burn-out, shithead who fails to understand that "running out of money" means you fail, that dropping out means you fail ends up shipwrecked on ? a sort of africa of the spirit, where you find they born of slave mothers and too weak, useless and unimportant to leave ; and they borne by free women who were too weak, useless and outright dumb to hold the
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://www.pgpru.com/forum/prakticheskajabezopasnostj/nevidimajashifrovanieurovnjapgpnafleshke?show_comments=1&p=3#Comment44886 << gold, if you have the stomach
mircea_popescu: so then i can have over for dinner The Right Hon Mr. Bursuc, başıbozuk of Булучеало.
asciilifeform: 'Here’s a bit of background on me: My education is in business. I have a BS in MIS and almost finished my MS but ran out of money. I’ve got more business education than most of the MBAs out there, and I have a nearly formal education in software development, modeling, statistical analysis, and sociology. I’ve done it all, but what does the slick talking shit head car sales MBA loser think I am
mircea_popescu: discussed as a joke at first with horrified girls, maybe eventually edged towards but not as a rule. what's the rush and what's the drive anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu uses the real thing strictly!1111
asciilifeform: didja ever get the ovipositor tool thing ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, no fucks given.
asciilifeform: except that he does it in derp concert and therefore uninterestingly
mircea_popescu: kthen
mircea_popescu: being part of a sovereign that doesn't recognize others ; and has the tank divisions, means that you don't need "passports".
mircea_popescu: much like how women don't collectivize because stupid ; they collectivize because if you ain't got upper body strength, the shewail is all that's left.
mircea_popescu: bug doesn't swarm because stupid ; bug swarms because at its size and so on, that's the only schelling point.
mircea_popescu: with the flow of immigrants they've been dumping tons around the southern shores yes.
mircea_popescu: they don't dump you in meta-africa, yo.
mircea_popescu: eh. you have the strange ideas of a petit bourgeois that never went past rouen.
asciilifeform: since when does tsetse fly care whether guy or not
asciilifeform: and i'd rather make landfall in antarctica than africa. but that's quite a personal preference.
mircea_popescu: siberia, for that matter, australia, the us before that...
asciilifeform: there were, at one point, designated junkyards for this
mircea_popescu: the whole "nationality" thing means "where do we dump this fuck to be rid of him".
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or is that no longer a thing (as i and many others predicted)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, he was at some conference in USia within the last 4 months or so.
mircea_popescu: Sep 02 20:38:38 * Obsi (~Obsi@unaffiliated/obsi) has joined #bitcoin-assets << there
BingoBoingo: In other news it looks like Ver barred himself from the US again. Put a "casino" on his webshite nao. Claims Curaçao license.
mircea_popescu: at least tell enough to know where to look further.
ben_vulpes: 'rather fuckable' pulled my right eyebrow clear up to my hairline
asciilifeform always regarded the notion as crackpottery, that one could tell
asciilifeform: from whence comes the suspicion that it was a chick?
mircea_popescu: talking of historical "contacts" (ie, derps accidentally caught in bitcoin historically), i'm still kinda curious re obsi. i suspect was a rather fuckable chick.
asciilifeform: what if they misread!
mircea_popescu: da fuck, every dude with a twitter and a github has "contacts" nao ? what is this, casablanca for the masses ?
mircea_popescu: i'm of course none to pleased that intel virgins use intel terms of art as if that somehow makes them experienced, much in the way obnoxious 17yo prisses talk about things.
asciilifeform: in the smart folx who don't show up.
asciilifeform: there is a common pattern, as ben_vulpes observed
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "octskyward" anyway ?
mircea_popescu: nobody fucking asks the cows what they thing about ethics, ie, "what's best" or such.
asciilifeform: it's the usual 'we did this and it was boring, move along'
mircea_popescu: for that money, i discovered america in 864, except i forgot to tell anyone at the time
mircea_popescu: and as to the "o no, it was us in 2004"... link or it didn't happen.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the society of intelligent folk is entirely optional for other intelligent folk. he doesn't HAVE to. he may, if he wants to, s'all.
mircea_popescu: tis on trilema. so there!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "You think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy by giving this country to them who's had no hand in fighting for it ? Why? Because they come off the boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup?" http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 if you have time today to hold my hand with your T, ima move the whole "hey x plox y" thing over.
asciilifeform: davout: that is not the picture i get from your link
asciilifeform: typical. e.g., taleb. and we, to him, are indistinguishable from cosmic background noise, because 'where were you lot when we conquered the west in covered wagons, aha?'
davout: i enjoyed his "learn C the hard way" and tried to pay him some btc for it a good while ago, didn't really catch as far as i remember
mircea_popescu: then i could $search phuctor "zed\|shaw"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wanna search the whole db.
mircea_popescu: the crypto war got so fucking lost for some reason... wtf happened in 2002 already.
mircea_popescu: annoyingly enough, there's a half dozen keys for zed a shaw from 1998-2002 ; all 1kb, from arizona state onwards.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform any chance i could get freeform grep for userstrings somewhere in there ?
mircea_popescu: https://zedshaw.com/2015/08/02/the-defense-of-the-personal/#comment-106 << "Im absolutely fascinated by bitcoin. Both because it is so crazy that people are using it as money, and because of its technical details. If I had time Id definitely investigate it further but for now I just observe and wonder."
mircea_popescu: for the love of fuck already.
mircea_popescu: "This defense of the personal in open source is so bad that twice Ive had project leaders tell me strangely personal tragic shit about them to keep me from commenting publicly about their projects. "
mircea_popescu: see, and the dept of computer corrections tried to help you with your phuctor
mircea_popescu: alf the sheltered bee-dog.
ben_vulpes: the constant restarts!
asciilifeform: 'The main Rails application that DHH created required restarting ~400 times/day. ' << he has to be joking, right ??
mircea_popescu: nah, he has better. "reading poetry is like explaining jokes, except the inane hipster is deeply attached to what he's doing"
asciilifeform: 'Before Mongrel I was building kick ass software for the NYC Dept. of Correction with a tiny team. We were doing innovative stuff like REST XML feeds of prisoner releases and RSS of prisoner transfers. It was fun, I was in charge, and things were pretty good.
ben_vulpes: i think at this point $google only serves to demonstrate how pathetically useless google is.
deedbot: https://www.reddit.com/user/RailsIsAGhetto << overview for RailsIsAGhetto | https://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/3jow6q/why_arent_there_any_online_ruby_courses_coursera/ << Why aren't there any online Ruby courses? Coursera, Edx, Udacity ... | https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/37yh7u/tired_of_feeling_unwelcome_by_not_being_from/ << Tired of feeling unwelcome by not being "from" Austin. : Austin
mircea_popescu: pretty good write-up. who's the zedshaw guy ?
mircea_popescu: the who ?
mircea_popescu: "president of cascadia" and "serving the people" have very little overlap neh ?
ben_vulpes: i can't really imagine "serving the people" in any way
ben_vulpes: man i hate the "legacy building" phase of presidencies
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's gonna be so fucking lulzy when trump ends up at the white house and he does exactly what obama did. remember, the nigger was gonna be entirely 100% not like bush, and like close down guantanamo and get out of iraq etc ?
BingoBoingo: In other news Rodham-Clinton lost West Virginia to Sanders. Trump-Clinton won his contest.
mod6: On the otherhand, there isn't a legend yet. Green nodes = Saga tickes, Red nodes = Defect tickets.
mod6: also, an updated ascii graph: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt
mod6: I've also got the graph going from L->R, i can't seem to get it to be less wide very easy. Anyway, let me know what you think:
mod6: mircea_popescu: I've updated the tickets graph. The nodes are clickble now, and liednk to the htmlified tickets.html filon the server.
mircea_popescu: not hard to make either.\
mircea_popescu: heh. and if one day a comet with a heart of radium goes by, we'll know in the keys.
asciilifeform: because ZnS is neither rare nor difficult to make.
mircea_popescu: i guess they use americium now yeah
mircea_popescu: difference between "still works" and "still same". 100 yo lightbulbs still work, but they don't have the same resistance they had 100 years ago
asciilifeform: not geiger, not fiber, but ye olde motherfucking spinthariscope.
asciilifeform realized that the perfect rng is in fact... a spinthariscope.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda weird reaction from the derps. it's almost as if they welcome teh ownage.
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-socialmedia-idUSKCN0Y12EU << congress staying on top of the important problems of the day.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: rjh is one of the mirrored-phuctored folk btw.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: see the unclonable functions project etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform them nametag shits...
mircea_popescu: i suppose you can just do it in an emergency sort of set-up, but really it's like pinching asses in the subway. best to be kept at a minimum.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo danielpbarron has a point ; editing people's articles is a very iffy thing, best to discuss it with them prior to publication if it's anything more than a word or such. << ok
mircea_popescu: there isn't a pill for everything.
asciilifeform: 'let them eat cake' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: thing is, the boss in the link is not a complete idiot, so much as the mere fact of a 'harassment' suit can sink a small firm.
mircea_popescu: punkman the chick was the adult at the table, from what can be seen. the "boss" is a pimply imbecile who has no business in business.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo danielpbarron has a point ; editing people's articles is a very iffy thing, best to discuss it with them prior to publication if it's anything more than a word or such.
punkman: so should the chick tell her boss new guy is harassment lawsuit waiting to happen?
mircea_popescu: lol aheeb the horsy will be fucking famous before he dies huh,
asciilifeform: re: the hn thread and 'her-assment' - folks living under usg are quite like children under drunkard father - they learn to 'build fences' (orthodox jew concept) around 'what might upset him'
mircea_popescu: also the above lines didn't happen.
mircea_popescu: which is pretty lulzy considering tmsr is supposed to be this obscure thing rather than the leading governmental authority of the world./
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, the decade intervening has meanwhile totally fucked them. they're moving off ecc now in a hurry, and their dilemma is "go back to rsa or beg alf for c-s."
mircea_popescu: also i wanna know what the fuck irl name "milfseriously" has, just in case he shows up at any social event and isn't there as a toilet slave.
mircea_popescu: worthless bullshit, i want to know what "company" this is to short the shit off it.
mircea_popescu: da fuck do these people do, 17yo highschool gossip ?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Sorry, I'll try to fix the flow