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spandrell_: got a ukrainian pal which is fond of sending me pictures of the russian countryside
mircea_popescu: hahaha this is a rather... distant view.
asciilifeform: china ate the fish.
asciilifeform: spandrell_: it is the ONE civilized (in whatever sense) country that is resisting.
asciilifeform: spandrell_: why, you're one of the 3 blokes who run reactors, and it'll be instantly obvious which one ?
spandrell_: i'd rather not say
spandrell_: but japan is completely awesome and i didnt see the point
mircea_popescu: they ate too much massachussetts ?
asciilifeform: ate usa, now 'enjoys' the heavy metals.
mircea_popescu: jesus the great empire china built for itself.
spandrell_: babies get kidnapped all the time
spandrell_: didnt want to raise kids there
spandrell_: they'd like to but they're chickens like that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i prefer the chinese chix.
asciilifeform: you can get printed in dead tree there (e.g., limonov)
spandrell_: how's the approach
asciilifeform: spandrell_: for the most part i quit reading 'reactionsphere' when mr mold vanished. and around same time found 100x more intellectually-rich ru equivalent.
spandrell_: you're also saying that having children makes no sense because you cant own them or own your own wives
spandrell_: that they're gonna get fucked one way or the other
spandrell_: and again i also wrote recently about asians in the west
asciilifeform: spandrell_: do you know what the chinese ph.d. i shared an office with for 2y liked most to talk about ?
asciilifeform suffered the company of american ph.d. folk for many years, for a living
spandrell_: the equivalent white guy would've not talked about soccer
spandrell_: a lame book they might have read while on the commute
asciilifeform: and the egyptian ?
asciilifeform: that they read the same völkischer beobachter as inflicted on you ?
asciilifeform: they are somehow less boring than the egyptian ?
spandrell_: whether they are genetically dumb I guess is disputable, and I have no special evidence
spandrell_: but i find them dumb and boring in general
mircea_popescu: it's not really common in egypt, they usually wear that misr style hair cover thing, like jesus' mother.
spandrell_: the woman was were a full black burka
mircea_popescu: the arab womenz are actually quite pleasant.
mircea_popescu: there's some subtext there, talk to locals sometime they miught explain it.
mircea_popescu: the secret story of iran being that a large not-really-arab community is being oppressed by a buncha arabs.
spandrell_: that's the thing with chicago
mircea_popescu: i bet you that if your car broke down and you had to use someone's phone, you'd rather do it in isfahan than chicago.
spandrell_: i didnt have the confidence to go seek a hooker in casablanca, honestly
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how "the irish" looked from staten island cca 1900 ?
mircea_popescu: ok ok but i mean... there's whores in cairo ; more than in berlin for sure.
mircea_popescu: anywya, i didn't study any, picked off hos, like any other language.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my reading, the shriveled orcs who populate egypt from mircea_popescu's tales thereof
mircea_popescu: in my head it sits on the same shelf with "the country of africa"
mircea_popescu: these aren't jews right ? arab's one thing ; islam's another. do you mean muslims ?
mircea_popescu: i've heard the same said of, in no particular order, women, computers, day old chicks, dogs, hungarians, germans, actually i tire of the list, it's universal.
spandrell_: my thing! i'm the guy saying islam might be a good idea
spandrell_: they're dumb and hostile
spandrell_: you can shit on feminism at home or at the bar with your buddies
spandrell_: nobody does unless you get into cathedral circles
asciilifeform: spandrell_: move to usa, here they simply sentence you to starvation via unemployability
mircea_popescu: well, they musta missed me.
spandrell_: all of them
spandrell_: and indeed the book started a fever of books on how being shameless and evil helps you with chicks too
mircea_popescu: eh, the english notion of "evil" by now roughly maps to "not entirely boring".
spandrell_: which is kinda like the dark triad
spandrell_: you gotta be shameless and evil, then you can achieve great things
spandrell_: then he says, two words: thick and black
mircea_popescu: spandrell_ looky : the publishing thing works (marginally) if you get book deals. from macmillan or whoever the fuck still does it. they pay you a few thousand, kinda measly, and maybe royalties but not really.
spandrell_: how all the dynasty founders and all the great heroes we adore came to be so great
trinque: one secret trick they don't want you to know, eh?
spandrell_: saying he discovered the secret of the great men of history
mircea_popescu: *thumbsup* but mgith as well cut to the chase.
mircea_popescu: he was rescue-married like a little bitch and there he goes, raising some woman's children, and no doubt pleasing her.
mircea_popescu: so, too lazy to stick with law ; had "high traffic" website, which he parlayed into a coupla books which i suppose sold a coupla thousand copies, or w/e enough to pay rent for a coupla years. and then...
mircea_popescu: he's the fine example of this insanity.
mircea_popescu: you know a funny derp by the name tucker max ?
mircea_popescu: course you might consider shitting it directly. rather than going through this complex process with pdfs.
spandrell_: that's the thing tho
mircea_popescu: but think about it! what sad sort of bro culture is this where you put as much work into the book as a reader into the reading!
spandrell_: well if i can't get 5 pages per hour i'm not bothering with the damn book
mircea_popescu: the etsy chick is this imbecile female that instead of getting raped and loving it, listened to her stupid mother,
mircea_popescu: this is basically the etsy plan. you know what the etsy chick is ?
mircea_popescu: you'll get what, 30 to 50 cents a copy. most of what you see will be the advance, which is what by now, a grand ?
spandrell_: well i cant do it for the fame
mircea_popescu: there's no money in publishing.
spandrell_: should i bother writing the book?
spandrell_: if somebody actually bothers to supplant me i'll feel very flattered
mircea_popescu: of course by now we don't know whether this isn't an impostor :)
mircea_popescu: much like after-the-end people go around looting the walmart, not stocking the shelves.
mircea_popescu: moreover, post-world effect. i'm much better off picking up select 19yo children from otherr people than making them de novo.
mircea_popescu: now, ironically, i ~could~ make useful children. but i require items (such as an undisputed right to kill them) that i could also make, but can't be arsed to.
spandrell: which is why people tend to have 1 or 2, as beyond that they start being less cute and more annoying
mircea_popescu: spandrell ok, so then we agree.
spandrell: they are useful for being cute and cuddly
mircea_popescu: they're not useful at all.
spandrell: kids aren't very useful there
spandrell: they're into drinking parties and constant warfare
mircea_popescu: it's not a "for me". i said it in the general.
mircea_popescu: ah, and THEY don't have any children. yeah i can see that argument in that context.
spandrell: but their particular lifestyle means that for them children have no marginal utility either
spandrell: the water margin herodudes
mircea_popescu: on the contrary.
mircea_popescu: so it's not a "there you go".
mircea_popescu: if children had actual marginal utility i would have children. by the dozen.
spandrell: well there you go
spandrell: my issue with the stuff is that the hero-dudes are all about fight and drink and competing to fuck unrealistic fighting women
spandrell: well back to the water margin and bro culture
mircea_popescu: i guess she's getting out one way or another. but then again this'd be why i own my women as opposed to marrying them.
mircea_popescu: not like they have to!
mircea_popescu: you just object to the notion some people might not give a shit what women think ?
spandrell: i dont work for the govt
mircea_popescu: well, especially all the sometimes you've decided not to have a choice.
mircea_popescu: and this is then honorable ?
spandrell: plenty of people go through the motions
spandrell: of course there is
mircea_popescu: there's no "trying".
spandrell: who doesnt like the govt but works for them and tries to be honorable
asciilifeform: he is iirc a colonel there
spandrell: the govt? or his specific agency
asciilifeform: then definitely confused.
mircea_popescu: o wow really ? where you from then ?
spandrell: never been to the US
asciilifeform: i may have spandrell confused with another fella
spandrell: their heads put on spikes
mircea_popescu: how do they do that ?
spandrell: mother
spandrell: get your father
spandrell: then a bunch of single young dudes
spandrell: doing the honorable patrician kinda thing
spandrell: working for the government
spandrell: imagine yourself in the position of qin ming
mircea_popescu: but you never explained any mechanics of the dislike, merely stated it.
spandrell: they also have this bro culture to them which i dislike too, as i wrote int he water margin post
mircea_popescu: the debates as to genetic basis for intelligence have raged for a while in the logs. it's not really settled i guess, but there's certainly no merit for NATIONAL concepts of intelligence hm ?
spandrell: i wouldn't know, i generally avoid them when i'm home
spandrell: well there's always the right edge of the bell curve
mircea_popescu: i had some pretty clever friends that part of the world.
mircea_popescu: are they that dumb actually ?
spandrell: oh, the islam thing
mircea_popescu: i'm the only one talking right now.
spandrell: am i only able to read you, mircea_popescu, or are you the only one talking right now?
mircea_popescu: spandrell for the record, it's not at all an islamic argument. why would anyone but an idiot hang out with the idiots ? who ever goes willingly to an accountant party ? etc.
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform the 1300s chinese novel even has the "bitcoin corrupts" doctrine. "obviously he was a bro, and all bros of the world should join the rebel army".
mircea_popescu: well, if it's not bad for you, it's bad for the wife.
spandrell: and people say the internet is bad for you
mircea_popescu: yeah, prior to bitcoin that was the case with me exactly.
mircea_popescu: there's a huge pile of interlocking wonders that make up la serenissima, i'll be more than happy to explain them in detail as time goes by.
mircea_popescu: the bot allows you to self-voice, if you have the WoT presence, which you likely will because i'd rate you.
mircea_popescu: so the way this channel works is that you register your pgp signature with the bot ; and then you can maintain an identity. otherwise anyone can "be" spandrell
mircea_popescu: why would i want to read a tv show script, good lord. even the people paid to do it don't.
spandrell: perhaps the old version, there's two
spandrell: there might be a version of the tv show with english subtitles
spandrell: i probably should check out some english translations if i want get the book written
spandrell: maybe there's something on libgen?
spandrell: then realized i could just watch the show
spandrell: i think i said it there that i read parts of the original
spandrell: yes, the water margin
mircea_popescu: i'm genuinely curious whether it'll read offensive or you're just a pansy.
mircea_popescu: oh also, reading this article makes me want to round my knowledge of medieval chinese literature (which consists of golden lotus, vase and spring plumlet) with this other thing. know of any decent edition of said "water margin" in any european language i could get online ?
spandrell: it would be an honor though, do tell me any time you come to the east
spandrell: i can confirm then, never met the guy
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform is this fellow by the name Stanislav Datskovskiy.
spandrell: well if this asciilifeform is a hot japanese chick then I might have met her
mircea_popescu: i thought that's where people go to meet all the hot japanese chicks!
spandrell: and i'm pretty sure he's not one of them
mircea_popescu: ^ it's all integrated, you know. the someone was asciilifeform
spandrell: btw as per the log you sent me
mircea_popescu: well, it's a loose assemblage of terrorists dedicated to destroying the very possibility of what you'd call "a state" and salting the earth where it stood
mircea_popescu: the most serene republic is the most serene because it is the sovereign of all fiat governments, not because it's quiet.
mircea_popescu: but serenity is here used in the metaphorical, political sense of medieval europe
spandrell: contrasted the utmost serenity of venice with the complete fucked up madness of genoa
mircea_popescu: then it works well, that's the reference.
spandrell: the most serene republic
mircea_popescu: o hello there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and check out the comments - he has his very own viragh all spinning.
mircea_popescu: (and yes the book burning was correct in spirit, if not particularly productive in implementation. the faux "humanism" nonsense is infamant.)
mircea_popescu: guy even groks the fucking pest confucius was.
mircea_popescu: re about righteousness and love, about what is right for all humanity”. This in 300 BC. Do you see now why the First Emperor burnt their books and buried the scholars alive after he unified the Empire?"
mircea_popescu: "So basically, Confucius today would approve of Angela Merkel and Bryan Caplan. Thanks dude. No wonder he was never taken seriously by any of the dozens of kings of his time, and died a low-class civil servant. His universalism however was catnip for the nascent class of non-aristocratic bureaucrats, who developed it for centuries after his death. They loved this “we are above armies, borders, and that gruesome stuff. We ca
mircea_popescu: he is clever. to wit : "What kind of intellectual climate existed in that time. What happens when everyone is coming up with new ideas all the time? Think about it in contemporary terms. What happens when everybody and his grandma has his own ideas is… a whole lot of signaling spirals."
asciilifeform: seems like fella actually reads the language.
mircea_popescu: anyway, props to the blody shovel dude for noticing the obvious
mircea_popescu: in the end, there's no real solution to naggum's point. herd tither.
asciilifeform: sorta why we put salt on the slug, no ?
asciilifeform: which is GREAT!11111 because now they can drop T3rr0R157!1111 keyz, e.g., mircea_popescu's
trinque: "Luckily, signature verification crypto doesn't have to worry about side channel attacks. Alternatively, we could add openssl as a dependency and outsource the signature verification to it."
mircea_popescu: brilliant solution. now they'll be responsible for curating it.
asciilifeform: eschewing wot is the exact equivalent of eschewing toilet training.
trinque: psa that joe's datacenter will happily stand up an openbsd box on the cheap
mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt the real life models were nearly as... bubbly.
mircea_popescu: dude chinese people from the mao ebullitious era all share this rodent appearance. like walking voles or something, all round and teethy.
asciilifeform: interestingly, not 1 of the last 3 phuctor pops, imports in any version of gpg i have.
asciilifeform: i suspect we're gonna see more of these.
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu there's one of yer divisible-by-3's.
asciilifeform: in up, thus reducing the likely costs of defection. The way to signal your intention to defect is to come up with a good excuse. A good excuse to be disloyal becomes a rallying point through which other defectors can coordinate and cover their asses so that the ruling coalition doesn’t punish them. What is a good excuse?'
asciilifeform: 'More likely than not, some members of the ruling coalition are not very loyal. They’d rather defect. But they can’t backstab the coalition just like that. You don’t do that; it looks bad. Your comrades will go against you. There are costs to defection. Unless you’re not the only defector. You need a way to signal your intention to defect, so that other disloyal fucks such as yourself (and they’re bound to be others) can jo
asciilifeform: veneration for the sacred object in no apparent way diminished.'
asciilifeform: venerated, and the gift of the mango was lauded as evidence of the Chairman’s deep concern for the workers. Then everyone in the factory filed by and each worker drank a spoonful of the water in which the sacred mango had been boiled. After that, the revolutionary committee ordered a wax model of the original mango. The replica was duly made and placed on the altar to replace the real fruit, and workers continued to file by, their
asciilifeform: ration. The wax-covered fruit was placed on an altar in the factory auditorium, and workers lined up to file past it, solemnly bowing as they walked by. No one had thought to sterilize the mango before sealing it, however, and after a few days on display, it began to show signs of rot. The revolutionary committee of the factory retrieved the rotting mango, peeled it, then boiled the flesh in a huge pot of water. Mao again was greatly
asciilifeform: 'Mao gave the mangoes to Wang Dongxing, who divided them up, distributing one mango each to a number of leading factories in Beijing, including Beijing Textile Factory, where I was then living. The workers at the factory held a huge ceremony, rich in the recitation of Mao’s words, to welcome the arrival of the mango, then sealed the fruit in wax, hoping to preserve it for posterity. The mangoes became sacred relics, objects of vene
asciilifeform: (they might, somewhere, exist.)
asciilifeform: i've never actually met an adult who had the experience and wasn't a traumatic wreck.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, it goes back to the 'blind loyalty' thread
asciilifeform: nor is 19 y.o. ru boi going to personally cut apart 'paint the snow piles white and grass green' from 'effective army'
mircea_popescu: fine, but this practical approach does not resolve the discussed 19yo's problem any ; it's not practical to enforce separation between idiocy and sense on all the edges, nor will it ever be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you may have mistook the address, the 'let's pray to goddess of reason' folk are in the kako house
mircea_popescu: what the everliving shit.
mircea_popescu: your notion that "gods" could be just a label, and then you promote "science" to "god-dom" and everythig will be ok because "it's not really a god" is outright endearing.
asciilifeform: i never subscribed to 'cults' as being intrinsically wrong. they are only wrong when their gods don't actually exist.
mircea_popescu: so yes of fucking course it creeps in, i can't be arsed to police the entire edge of the fucking world.
mircea_popescu: and even the movie poster is wrong.
mircea_popescu: the sidewalk's broken...
mircea_popescu: hey check that out, you weren't even holding the knife correctly...
mircea_popescu: and there's a lot to read up on...
mircea_popescu: let's for the sake of argument examine this.
asciilifeform: i could even see an argument that 'screaming - you build a force field wall against, subtle - worms its way in' but mircea_popescu isn't sitting there with cheap beer watching industria argentina filmz, is he now.
mircea_popescu: no. thats the crazy thing. you think, at first, that it does.
asciilifeform: hey it beats the screamingly-idiotic
mircea_popescu: this is the place i live in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i witnessed folk actually trying it at the range !
shinohai: Got to put solder on top of the capacitors to ensure they stay put
asciilifeform: even supposing the iron were...
asciilifeform: it is a great multilayered gag - what is even there to solder on component-side of pc mobo.
asciilifeform: prolly theatrical rifle made of plastic.
mircea_popescu: there's this lively "industria argentina" making shitty movies, and you know, it's so obviously retard kid copying it hurts
mircea_popescu: im sorry now i didn't take the pic of this movie ad
asciilifeform: 'take the rifle fishing' aha.
mircea_popescu: obviously, a certain lassitude of thought is required to think properly. but nowhere is it said that if you shit in toilet, you must also bathe in toilet, eat from toilet...
mircea_popescu: it's a wonderful thing, i don't rightly understand it either, but they're terrible at it.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with getting the schwartzes together is that they're traditionally VERY indisciplined.
mircea_popescu: but, like music, or love or whatever the fuck, it's a complete package, with motivation falling within it not without it.
asciilifeform: all i care is to get the schwartzes together so they can burn the world.
asciilifeform: i dun think in the language of demoocracy, and NEVER did, and these pieces are neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: what's the author care ?
asciilifeform: nah but if folks with actual brainz got a hold of it - then ~possibly~ something.
mircea_popescu: and the idea is that if pbs made a weekend special about it, what, majorana'd feel better ?
asciilifeform: kinda the definition of dead
asciilifeform: bottom of the sea.
asciilifeform: same place majorana's unified theory sits.
mircea_popescu: so then what's the problem.
asciilifeform: there it sits.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck difference could it possibly make WHO READS IT!
asciilifeform: well he did end up writing 'into the void'
mircea_popescu: you're just another retarded teenage whore with a narcissism complex.
asciilifeform: understand, the circle of folks with actual education is ~small~
asciilifeform: the only folks who will read are the idiot grade-school educated 'physicists' who contemplate 'chemtrails'.
mircea_popescu: "how can i be an independent married woman" "you can't be" "but i want to live like i please and make my own decisions and also have fambly and stuff" "shut the fuck up, you're too stupid to breathe"
asciilifeform: the logic is that the result of 50k eotvos goes straight to /dev/null.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow the logic. what ?
asciilifeform: there is not yet a 3rd planet.
asciilifeform: he did not see anywhere to go other than ~to them~
asciilifeform: well it was a problem in the sense that
asciilifeform: putting 10,001 kinds of pretentious idiots in their place
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