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(trilema) ben_vulpes: dns is some dum shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dns, pro, lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the people buying domains like slug.dance
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lovely backyard vps provider that does domains too.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ipxcore i don't think has any js.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they cater to consumers. it's fine for them.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the day mircea_popescu ran javascript
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh man this is a riot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm personally astonished you held out this long
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or like pick i don't know any other web tech tar baby
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: right! why does github need so many people around?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: modern ui tech is horrendously time intensive to make do things.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and now we know why startups can justify a staff of 150 for a web site, as if it were ever in question.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which as trinque says is a feature of the whole thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and we haven't even gotten to the maintenance cost of this shit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's what's going on!
(trilema) ben_vulpes spots a fat tailed distribution
(trilema) ben_vulpes: to get "nice interactions" on mobile devices, your options are to write objective c, java, or js.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: maybe that data comes over the wire on app boot up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: maybe there's an endpoint you can curl to get your domain list
(trilema) ben_vulpes: saas boss, they show you what they want to show you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's trying to reason about the browser shitstack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: send help
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: help
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if it's weird data in the actual database, i fire up a goddamn sql terminal.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen many things that i could reproduce in the production environment that i couldn't reproduce in my local environments, but even for weirdness showing up in production that needs debugging there, i run the application in the browser to get it to the bad state, attach to the code running on the server (however that works for $turdlang), and inspect what the browser is doing and how the server responds.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aaaah, other html pages showing the same data
(trilema) ben_vulpes: terminal into production?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you know what he means by "spigot the actual tech people use"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: like versioned css or something insane
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh i'm sure it's crucial to the functioning of some AWESOME tool
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes and?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: go find the api client js file and read through that. if you're lucky enough they factored the js so cleanly that you can find the api endpoints.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: read the source, or run the thing and monitor its api calls.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "the deps" are the rest of the js and html that the thing needs to run
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that you don't load either
(trilema) ben_vulpes: other script tags
(trilema) ben_vulpes: server sez: "here's the js to run, here are the deps, here's the css, go to town"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: very little html is sent over the wire
(trilema) ben_vulpes: okay, simpler
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ugh why do i know this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: okay well a js application contains the state of user interaction with the "app". when it *needs* to talk to the server, it makes api calls for data and then renders that or does calculations or whatever might need to be done.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "dynamically generated pages" but generated in response to a specific HTTP request.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cgi is still request loop stuff, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes is trying to understand how this is cgi
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you don't. there are no urls, there's a javascript application that stands on the dom.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no man its so much worse
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: stare into the void
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's a js app not a web page
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so asciilifeform i notice that none of the "flow" implementations to date have matching output, and the "press" all depend to one degree or another on the inputs to the relevant "tsort" implementations, they're not guaranteed to "press" the same trees. non determinism at this endpoint gives me the willies, is that stupid?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "socialist millionaires protocol", too lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes doesn't know how this nugget failed to make it into the turd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "pick another corner, dumbshits, this one is mine."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that is the only solution, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "Earnings will now be hurt by “sharply lower” sales of corporate jets powered by Rolls engines, together with a more sluggish maintenance market both for those aircraft and bigger regional jets"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's wrong with firebombing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "The newcomer cut full-year forecasts, halted a share buyback and said 2016 numbers would be hurt by slowing sales of engines for smaller aircraft and ships that serve the beleaguered offshore oil industry."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's subtle but i thought i saw it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "welcome refugees from syria with open arms!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "how do we keep terrorists out?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yo so was it $epithet in paris or what?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: davout: you still alive?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah, the poverty of my generation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panda-Small-Mini-Dryer-5-5lbs-2-5kg-Compact-Apartment-Dryer-Pan725sf-New-/301640663755?hash=item463b2f42cb:g:aYoAAOSweW5VXhZa << breakeven with the "on site" quarter-driven driver is some 173 loads, minus the value of being able to dry infantwear on demand.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up moneycat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is that dosser around still?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whaack: your alma mater's ip is leaking
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no just the retarded bits
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > nuchal translucency -- 366.00
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ty, asciilifeform! when you get around to it, please please please let me know in which ways i could improve it, or if there are mega-conceptual shifts i could effect within myself to do it better next time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: insurance company is covering like 5 days in the hospital
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wonder of wonders
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've included some barebones instructions on how to set up a cl for testing, shinohai.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (in the spirit of showing things around before posting to the ml)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform, phf, adlai, gabriel_laddel, shinohai and panzers at large: i've implemented v in common lisp, and would appreciate your eyes on the implementation and perhaps some testing as well: http://cascadianhacker.com/v_cl.tgz.gpg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure so barter them to the guy down the road with hogs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dry and mill, but yes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: see mircea_popescu's comment re pigs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, PeterL: the trick is to soak 'em for a year in running water so's to get the /tannins/ out.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my limited research only turned up a wee bit of acorn based products, mostly asian 'speciality' foods. and i want it milled, not transparent slabs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if we're talking about bad ideas.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i want to use acorns for a calorie base.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: on the topic of food for 2016, your tmsr~ work is splendid portfolio material. i'm sure you're aware and will object that "but it doesn't help me eat today!".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i prefer the kandaharis in kandahar, tyvm.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a wasp, a wasp, my 401k for a wasp
(trilema) ben_vulpes does not in2 russian
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and yes, coke machine, still in usaschwitz, lizard hitler will never allow a defense attorney etc etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you don't recall the "have assets seized, be in wot get recompensated" deed?
(trilema) ben_vulpes is too uncaffinated yet to even dig up mircea_popescu's insurance policy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "On iOS 9.1, Safari tries to support this, but it is dreadfully buggy. Instead of paging down just less than one screen-height of content, it pages down about 1.5 screen-heights of content." << continuing the "apple can't make usable software" thread
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "First, when the iPad Pro is open with the keyboard attached, holding your arm up to touch the screen for anything longer than a moment or two is ergonomically uncomfortable. " << fucking duh, your arm wears out. human factors research on the shop floor demonstrated this decades ago, but does the american tech industry know or give a shit? ahahaha don't make me choke
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://daringfireball.net/2015/11/the_ipad_pro#fnr1-2015-11-11 << as predicted, apple is pushing tablets as their new compute station
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you're feeling adventurous you could try installing gabriel_laddel's masamune and then scream into the log about gentoo quest
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have you taken mod6 or asciilifeform's 'v' for a spin yet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good morning whaack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ahaha why am i looking at this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "live hacking fun!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: website is marvelous
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo's infosec link.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good ol' specificity of diddling.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > Large attack surface that relies on a quickly-built custom application.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > Building a security team. Runs up-to-date software.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > Requires HTTPS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and i'm talking about capital allocation, not fashion.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: maersk is a big ticket. a car is a car.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "oh, you want a 911? hm okay."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure, but your particular setup is not particularly representative last i checked and i checked etc etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "last i checked, and i actually checked", but no citation?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: at risk of giving away crown jewelz, archiving without indexing for search is mind-bogglingly stupid.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: appears to dump archives into archive.org
(trilema) ben_vulpes: haxe really?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: while nobody in the wot's issued fatwa against ruby yet, it doth loom.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: good to know i'm not the only one thinking about this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: may all of you involved in the appfolio scam dance for venture capitalists for the rest of your lives. may your children emerge from college bearing hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. may your development teams never accomplish anything, and may you never know the reason why. may your lives complete devoid of meaning, wasting away in poverty and ignominy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in particular re jon walker of appfolio, adjunct professorship is not a resume bullet. "multiple patents" under the auspices of the usg is not a resume bullet. you had a single job: shipping software that worked, and you failed. you failed spectacularly.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and particularly you, jon walker of appfolio, you miserable rails-propping, giving-no-shits-about-customer-banking, are all hereby fucking fired from having any future relevance.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: klaus schauser, idem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: brian donahoo, of the "gotomeeting" bitcoin virus
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but they will drop your regularly scheduled rent payment with no fucking notice
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not only do they have multiple login paths, some of which do not work and return entirely useless error messages
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a half-baked rails app pretending to be able to do things like manage billing and maintenance requests
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in other news, appfolio is a giant steaming pile of horseshit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-4-2015 << somewhere in there perhaps? i have nfi.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: good afternoon to you as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've not touched blocks yet.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah, blocks under the hood
(trilema) ben_vulpes: interpolated?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (loop named foo ... (loop named bar ... (return-from foo thinger))
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the else thing just threw me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah, using variables.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: related: mod6 and asciilifeform's v implementations.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's an interesting gem demonstrating how the design of a language determines how people think about solving problems in it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i just discovered named loops and returning from inner loops to arbitrary outer loops and am just startled at this particular codification of the pattern.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: looks like ad hoc implementation of common use cases with arbitrary language features to me, but i've also spent a bit of time with the loop macro lately
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but that's inside out!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh i get it now.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what the shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: today i learned that one can else in a for in python
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what kind of os would one run on that kind of hardware? old 'nixy' things?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: funny, i was just having a conversation with ladybird about how "teh h0rr0r" of the holocaust (mostly concentration camps) is the entirety of what americans are taught about wwii and hitler and de and politics of the time generally. another instance of "stealing the having been stolen from".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoo hoo hoo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "In each case, I was not the instigator, only the one who fought back. But being unapologetically white and male worked against me in every case."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how'd you pull that out, asciilifeform?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phillips exeter, y'say?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably just trying to wind mircea_popescu up on other avenues
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: vV? MMM? vJ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: quite the block, that citation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyone writing contracts mentioning tmsr~ without being in the wot's looking for a paddlin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: haha bb you kill me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > actual compensation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh content thyself with not living in this insanely litigious 'soi-disant' state
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: once or twice a year i get a check for $10 or so from them.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_field: contrary to popular opinion i don't need much educating on the satanicity of wwwwork
(trilema) ben_vulpes quite pleased with the morning gifselection
(trilema) ben_vulpes: maybe the appendix
(trilema) ben_vulpes will now refer to this corner of the us as "the tonsils"
(trilema) ben_vulpes waves from the small and unimportant parts
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "they're white! you're black! what else do you need?!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: movie43 has a bit on that as well.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hah! the lengths to which some people will go.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hanbot: quite well; got some 4 hours of solid work done this am with a snoozing and cooing baby upon my chest. yourself?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bueno tmsr~ day, all
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: sounds like san francisco
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's one of the few wobbly pillars left supporting facebook.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who owns tinder?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that hand is facing the wrong direction
(trilema) ben_vulpes not terrifically vested in this, but would like to apply extant tooling to next step with minimal hassle.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unixtime,handle,message ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps a logcsv if we cannot have logsqldump?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i would rather not parse them back into something rdbms-friendly.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sql format is rather handy, i must say.
(trilema) ben_vulpes has been bothering kakobrekla for logdumps lately
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jets by any other name would smell as rank
(trilema) ben_vulpes went to see one employee's exhibition fight, walked away staggering under a load of psychoactive gifts from other employees
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh, now we like to compete in crowded markets?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bong amplifies existential dread
(trilema) ben_vulpes tempted to drink already.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sounds a lot like "don't work with people outside of your wot" to me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why'd he have to hire invalids?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who became the new 'owners'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am actually pondering approaches to collectivize the thing ahead of the horde.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes, shielding assets is hard and not for everyone.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if your wages are subject to garnishment you *are* unter.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "manner to which she has become accustomed"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more of a tool of wives and mothers than the state and snitches though, isn't it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and truly stupid (sort of) monied.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eh, only of the untermenschen.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the west may have been brought under dominion of the feds with marriage laws, but the whole country is dominated by CPS.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this was a decade or three ago.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "when it comes to children, the us /is/ worse than russia."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wrapped up, bundled, swaddled, generally speaking insulated from the cold.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "this is worse than russia! even kgb would not take children...my wife will never go along..."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "you don't understand. they. will. take. your. children."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "child was completely wrapped! not a big deal!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "oh, they'll take your children away if you don't conform to us norms."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so my father managed a gentleman who'd moved from the soviet block many years ago. the man walks into my fathers office one day, asks for some privacy to talk about american things. "in odessa, we put children out to nap. cold air, is good for little lungs! anyways," hands my father a letter, "what is this 'child protective services?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: our conversation the other night. "wot suggests i..."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anything touching the request/response cycle? apis etc?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what, by the way do you mean by "web work"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2015-statement/#footnote_1_63841 "to survive" << i suppose if the thing can be said to survive while asciilifeform starves...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more like iphone 4s with ios 9
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how does the ipud figure into this?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: they have their place. i find it convenient to have tests when rewriting large swaths of a thing either i've written: with the behavior codified, i don't have to manually poke at the thing to ensure that it still behaves the way it did before i tore it apart and put it back together.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think you may have even cited that before
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "my only job around here is to scowl loudly at bad commits and demand more tests" - $bzprtnr
(trilema) ben_vulpes: WRITE MOAR TESTS
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (but you know they're weird and perverted etc)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some girls wanna hear it!
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