mircea_popescu: is the idea here "ebuild as an automake" ?
trinque: yep, I think I need to demonstrate this a few times before it takes with others
mircea_popescu: trinque, is the idea to ebuild ~everything ?
mircea_popescu: bvt i don't think it's wasted either ; and for that matter came off too strong on the side of whatever my point was there.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 15:18 Mocky: my work on gns is at the stage where I'm loading v fully into my head and making sure I know the questions I need to ask before I start implementing. I'll blog about it
mircea_popescu: like it's nobody's child or something, always lastest at the trough
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 15:08 Mocky: mircea_popescu: I've failed at managing myself for the last few months. I let myself get overwhelmed with dumb shit. I thought I could do it all despite the evidence to the contrary. Republican work got dropped along with a bunch of other. But republican work is what I care about and not the dumb shit. So I'm changing this now. Head in the sand is no way to live and putting others in the position to say, 'hey, wtf
Mocky: in practice it's 2 players only and considered a feature of the physics engine, even so often laggy as hell
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 18:59 asciilifeform: the 'secret' of this is that you only gotta propagate the ~inputs~ .
asciilifeform: otherwise 'all nodes propagate all inputs to all nodes' is a ddos ~amplifier~ .
trinque: not even only with authentic, maybe, but with randos at a manageable pace.
asciilifeform: trinque: correct. if your 'processors' dun have to deal with rando liquishit from whole planet at once, but only w/ authentic peers, it becomes practical proposition.
BingoBoingo: Mean while in the local campaign: Legalize Contraband! https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Lista-de-Lacalle-busca-legalizar-el-contrabando-y-su-eslogan-es-Un-bagayero-un-patriota--uc722044
trinque: these communicating over gossipd makes a pretty clear picture
trinque: I don't know of any minorityreportronic extension to the thing
asciilifeform: rright, ditto 'vmware' etc. but can you force'em to auto-synchronize the state on 2 physically separate boxen
trinque: not to compliment that stack of chairs, but yes, they do this
trinque: iirc you can now suspend a xen instance on one, awaken on another
asciilifeform: ( which afaik they do not do , 'because slow', cuz nobody can be arsed to asm iguess )
asciilifeform: it's funny, imho, how heathens fucked the softs stack to the point where it actually makes sense to pass a whole-machine state around
trinque: nope, but this is exactly the kind of thing that an actual compute substrate would do
asciilifeform: i.e. connect to one, its state changes, and it sends message to others, which majoritate ?
asciilifeform: trinque: since you seem to be familiar with subj : outta curiosity, do any of the heathen 'cloud'isms allow user to run same 'machine' on multiple irons in lockstep ?
BingoBoingo: Post the pic, maybe an augur comes around?
trinque: lol, what do the bird giblets portend?
asciilifeform: afaik 'container' heathenism usually refers to orc attempts at circumventing os lack of static linkage, rather than whole-os in bottle
trinque reflects on his several migrations of the deedbot stack
trinque: yeah, containers in the abstract are extremely handy tools, just all the implementations are mountains of garbage.
asciilifeform: cuz imho an envir where you can build yer os/proggies at home, then upload whole thing to piz (or even yer own box wherever) an' run, and then snapshot, download state, run again at home, or (exotica) sync 2 running instances -- would be a win
asciilifeform: trinque: does the notion make sense to you, or is lunacy ?
trinque: i.e. target a qemu arch or the like?
asciilifeform: trinque: re the 'iron babel', asciilifeform strongly suspects that a standardized 'textbook' arch, even with 'artificial' (soft) rather than troo iron available, would be of much use re cuntooism
trinque: perhaps all that's needed there is a cut ISO.
trinque: but at any rate, none of the above is a counterargument to the "republic does things, or isn't."
trinque: and perhaps this is what's wanted, but the ubuntu-like installer that supports all hardware without anyone needing to learn to spin a linux kernel is a different kind of item
trinque: I noticed that not a soul read the scripts that bootstrap cuntoo
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919226 << where I left it is "operator still has to understand linux to use the thing"
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 16:41 bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919279 << ftr i do not think it is waste. i expect that most 'realtime' applications (e.g. 'gossip') will want the asmistic ffa.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-15 19:10 asciilifeform: emulates errything but the page table mechanism, which is somewhat gnarly even on mips (tho miniscule compared to pc's)
asciilifeform: re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to mipstron. BUT! can't test with the dummkopf's orig linux image as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator.
bvt: the hard part is 'fiat overlord' and being able to dedicate stable amounts of time to republican work, for this i don't have an acceptable answer.
bvt: after ffa I will have a look at other things (like ripping out kernel rng, having another look at gnat-arm64 internals, as it seems there is no ongoing work on this front atm). i expect to get something useful as a result, and maintain it in long term.
bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
asciilifeform: it was funny, was hired in the 1st place for 'solving' problem apriori known to be a squared circle, 'homomorphic crypto'.
Mocky: icing on the cake
asciilifeform: Mocky: for bonus ugh, politruk showed up erry day to ask asciilifeform when he'd agree to take holy orders 'and start the interesting projs'
asciilifeform: Mocky: it was the sorta job that destroys yer head, like cerebral equiv. of black lung.
asciilifeform: ( this, arguably, is worse than to be able to neither think nor speak )
asciilifeform: historically this aint the problem, tho, in '16 asciilifeform was stuck in such a snakepit, could speak all he wanted , but could not ~think~
asciilifeform: Mocky: bouncer (znc or similar) . if yer in an especially dire shithole, may have to hang it (or the ssh tunnel leading to it ) on port 80
Mocky: I need to figure out how I can log into #trilema from my work computer during the day
Mocky: my work on gns is at the stage where I'm loading v fully into my head and making sure I know the questions I need to ask before I start implementing. I'll blog about it
Mocky: I got my blob migrated over to mp_wp, but got hung up on theme changes. I'm going to go live with it and fix the theme later. I need to have a functional blog
Mocky: mircea_popescu: I've failed at managing myself for the last few months. I let myself get overwhelmed with dumb shit. I thought I could do it all despite the evidence to the contrary. Republican work got dropped along with a bunch of other. But republican work is what I care about and not the dumb shit. So I'm changing this now. Head in the sand is no way to live and putting others in the position to say, 'hey, wtf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's just the copying over of otps
mircea_popescu: now for yet another half hour episode of driving the-sorta-people-nobody-here-knows-how-to-replace blind on nonsense strings.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the ffa patches/sigs on btcbase up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919210 << nevermind the "sad". phf you can either talk about it an' get it fixed, or otherwise keep nursing it Framedragger style. there's no practical options otherwise.
asciilifeform: admittedly asciilifeform not had time to follow pantsuit press. last i knew they helpfully assembled the old carrier fleet into a convenient shooting gallery for iran. (who for some reason not taken advantage yet)
mircea_popescu: which is how they've been winning things since 1945.
mircea_popescu: the procedure, transparently from empirical data as well as doubtless following their bayesian deductive logic would be, that since they no longer have the capacity to nuke anyone, it then follows they'll necessarily win a nuke war -- in the imagination.
mircea_popescu: next on cnn, a stupid cunt taking a dump in her own mouth. it gotta happen, because literally every other self-crit / over the top humiliation has been done to death.
asciilifeform: ( groups of 5, with 5th symbol being checksum, would imho be ideal -- then can report eggog on group when keying )
mircea_popescu: and speaking of empire of stupid, the "lead story" for the past coupla days has been this incredible idiocy piece about how the femstate discovering it does not actually have operational capacity to launch planes / bomb places anymore is nevertheless a good thing, because "humanitarian" or some dumb shit.
asciilifeform: admittedly i've never seen the ameri-otp
mircea_popescu: yes. evidently the risskis put some actual work into establishing the format, rather than just seat of pants like the empire of stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like the old kgb otp ! also printed in groups of 4.
mircea_popescu: a very useful tool for dropping the workload from ~50 minutes to ~30 minutes / otp is s/\n/" | sha512sum | cut -c1-2 >> hurr.txt \necho "/ and then comparing the line crcs.
mircea_popescu: and since i've been stuck doing a shitload of these by [slave]hand : the gpg format is fucking TERRIBLE, the small/caps duality is sheer idiocy (90+% of all errors and general slowdown on top of it because of shift) ;
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:47 mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919166 << trinque sweated out a draft cuntoo, which sadly i have not had chance to test in anger. i have a physical box that is destined for it , when get chance, and also will be porting it to the sim-mips, ditto. but i promised to mircea_popescu not to undertake any elaborate works until ffa suitable for 'discard gpg' and extension to other (gossipd, trbi, what else is waiting on it) paths
mircea_popescu: the sort of "before publishing, I'm making sure" idiocy is exactly, but i do mean exactly, of the same substance as the fat girl's "this donut has no calories". it uses the exact same parts of the brain in the exact same way.
mircea_popescu: spyked, it is infinitely more valuable to have regular, fixed and SMALL intervals update, than to "achiever heroic tasks" or whatever idiocy the usual engineer shitbrain'susually after.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, just as long as we're not looking at june specifically. not to mention managing BingoBoingo / pizarro, such that the man has nfi what the cost structure's like and so following.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:58 mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 07:44 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919087 << is rk a rockchip? are there any available? what's it cost?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919191 << yes it's rockchip and yes available, there's a brand-new and entirely vacant one, it was discussed at length in the log !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the ffa patches/sigs on btcbase up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end
asciilifeform: easily 5x speedup, in the end.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919174 << ftr i find bvt's asm work quite useful, and it will be incorporated into the flagship vtree when i get a chance.
asciilifeform: ( anyone worked through barrett ? it's the 1 ~original~ proof in the series, thus far )
asciilifeform: ch20 incidentally is 1 of the components for keccak. (after have all of keccak, we have full battlefield rsatron. THAT IS if folx actually bother to read & sign the chs! so far ~no one~ but asciilifeform signed any 2019 ch's... )
asciilifeform: on top of this, buncha other '19 material, in various stages of publication ( e.g. the mips ; massive pile of bolix material, O(1) adatronic db replacement for trb , not published yet; and coupla other )
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:37 mp_en_viaje: may 27th is week 22 ; june 10 is week 24. we're just about starting week 26, because yes, there's a finite number of weeks in any one year, and it's known in advance : 52 of 'em. once june ends so will have ended half of 2019.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919157 <-- apologies for the lack of an update, I'm still neck-deep in hunchentoot study; I have a full draft of the monster ready in the workroom, but before publishing, I'm making sure I have a good understanding of the item, to avoid getting my ass bitten by unknown unknowns in the future
a111: Logged on 2019-06-20 20:19 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell danielpbarron Was this latest DDoS another member of your fan club?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:58 mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
mp_en_viaje: well, what's the matter ?
mp_en_viaje: one gotta train, yes, out of the question such a prince naseem idiocy as the figther who doesn't train. but training alone does not make the pie.
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing wrong with training -- but there's also no lordship for trainees. it just dun make sense, like that.
mp_en_viaje: bvt, so what's your idea going forward anyway ? are you basically going to be doing some ffa as you fiat overlod permit now and again, so by the end of 2019 you can look at having completed chapter 22 or somesuch, and that'll have been it ?
mp_en_viaje: the resistive load is nothing short of immense, for some reason anything's preferred to doing the right thing.
mp_en_viaje: of course. and the only live dude found in the whole gfx stack for a non-fiat game http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-06-13.log.html#t22:07:21
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 15:56 asciilifeform: !Q later tell bvt ty for digging up the 1801 materials; dun suppose you could get the author in here ?
bvt: oh, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909684 -- i wrote to the dude back then, he promised to respond in a week 'after travelling', never came back to we afterwards
bvt: hello. i am also sorry for my unacceptably low output over past ~2 months; and particularly sorry of not doing the right thing of notifying the forum (which i did before)
a111: Logged on 2019-06-20 21:50 BingoBoingo: He's evangelizing his church on EFNet where there are no cloaks
mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
mp_en_viaje: the theory went that bitcoin corrupts the fiatards, yet somehow magically everyone's pete_dushenski now, so fascinatingly seductive's his empty nothingness to the postmodern mind or what the fuck on wheels' goin' on!
mp_en_viaje: nobody has a castle worth the mention, the last item in http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ is still the 12th MARCH freenode issue, in one word at the rate we're presently going at the rate we are currently going the next april lordship update comes bundled with a tmsr shutdown notice, because god help me if ima preside over another pompous donothing club.
mp_en_viaje: e stupidest thing he could have possibly found, and possibly the stupidest thing on planet earth altogether, a bunch of morons in rural flyover.
mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th
mp_en_viaje: leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean twice a week, i mean every other week -- there's just no need to keep the engine running on big brutus for the "j
mp_en_viaje: i have no idea how the fuck everyone's so rapidly settled mentally in this novel and apparently great new kanzure-republic of 2019, but i do not find myself comfortable here AT ALL.
mp_en_viaje: may 27th is week 22 ; june 10 is week 24. we're just about starting week 26, because yes, there's a finite number of weeks in any one year, and it's known in advance : 52 of 'em. once june ends so will have ended half of 2019.
deedbot: 2019/06/12 07:31:47 <spyked> I'd made a small toy proggy to draw a mandelbrot set, zoom in etc. when the time came to show it, no one in the room even knew what a fractal was, although ~all~ the teachers there were math-informatics graduates
a111: Logged on 2019-06-21 00:58 lobbes: small update: I've been inundated the last few weeks with $saltmines work; tsmr work ~0 during this time. however, these next two weeks will be somewhat clearer so I'll be back to eating through modlisp
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
mp_en_viaje: rather than find ourselves in the infinitely sadder situation of having to take measures retrospectively.
mp_en_viaje: what all is going on there, anyway ? i mean, if you'll need to (or for that matter, factually engage in) multi-week stone cold absences in the future, let's talk about it and take measures prospectively
mp_en_viaje: trinque, in the nick of time, too.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, Germany's primary activity these past 5 years has been adding more mouths to feed
BingoBoingo: In local news... If anyone wants the two meter bronze Nazi eagle from the Graf Spee https://apnews.com/869a83096c164691bf13eaea4a3fc426
Mocky: I updated to the new shared ip address, looks good
BingoBoingo: Apologies for the interruption
BingoBoingo: The .247 address will be getting unblackholed at some point. In the interim I have put skeleton DNS entries for sites not previously using our DNS server in place. Using ns1.qntra.net and ns2.qntra.net will allow restoring public access to sites more quickly in the event a DDoS is mitigated.
BingoBoingo: And the DNS server has been populated with entries for every site on Pizarro shared hosting. bvt mocky cruciform trinque mats whaack The new IP address for the shared hosting server UY1 is 161.0.121.240
BingoBoingo: Alright, sites using ns1 and ns2.qntra.net for their names are online. Others using shared hosting are welcome to point their domains at 161.0.121.240 I will put entries for all of the sites on pizarro shared hosting into the name server. This way in the future when we have an IP get DDoS mitigated, recovery will not be so time consuming.
BingoBoingo: Aite, the shared machine UY1 as been given some new IPs, going to start bringing sites online
PeterL: I was just about to ask, what is the timeline for getting it back online
BingoBoingo: Aite, going to try to get the shared hosting machine UY1 back online today
lobbes: small update: I've been inundated the last few weeks with $saltmines work; tsmr work ~0 during this time. however, these next two weeks will be somewhat clearer so I'll be back to eating through modlisp
mircea_popescu: your only chance to do things like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919075 to any degree of efficacity is being big enough. the birth of an isp is basically starting a timer, "will we make it before"
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, you know going into the game that sooner or later, this sorta thing will happen.
BingoBoingo: Which is why I bring the thing up here. I'm not certain what to do. I am rather certain that whatever is done, a shared shell isn't the place to repeatedly draw aggro after having done so the first few times.
asciilifeform: when asciilifeform was a boy, also liked the good ol' ants + magnifying glass. but did not sit and do ~only~ it...
mircea_popescu: that sort of infantile misbehaviour eminently fits the bill.
BingoBoingo: I'm mulling it over. It seems like he is going into their spaces, taking a piss, and getting told not to do that. Repeatedly.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the difference ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho mircea_popescu had a point, it is not for me to say what danielpbarron does with his box, whether he wants to preach 11th century heresies or serve up wikilix etc. but indeed the pipe is not made of rubber, something has to give.
BingoBoingo: There also seems to me that there is difference in DDoS aiming to target a website and a DDoS targeting an IRC user out of some sort of behavioral retraining effort.
BingoBoingo: Indeed, but a shared IP clearly isn't the place to do it. Historically republican doctrine has been to wait out DDoS attacks, but keeping everyone else up is a problem
asciilifeform: the fundamental boojum is that tcpism makes 'cost of ddos' open-ended . but this is problem with tcpism, and the only final solution is 'gossipd-only hosting' with wot-only direct peering. but we aint there yet..
asciilifeform: a heathen isp at this pt would've either dropped his subscription or charged tenfold. but we aint a heathen isp, and for so long as subscriber is willing to pay the actual cost of what he is eating, we gotta service him.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing is we have one pipe. That your dulap scroll continued has an element of luck. DDoS lab requires more routing than we have implemented.
asciilifeform: would even be open to helping danielpbarron with his ddos magnet laboratory. BUT would really prefer if he took it to rk, so we can move him around b/w ips w/out affecting other folx.
asciilifeform: i'ma let the man speak for self tho. but meanwhile problem , danielpbarron is paying for service but aint getting it, cuz unplugged; meanwhile other uy1 people also paying, and ditto
a111: Logged on 2019-06-20 21:11 BingoBoingo: Danielpbarron reported triggering one with his evangelism earlier today in #Pizarro: <danielpbarron> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9TClz/?raw=true << another ddos
mircea_popescu: if you're going by vermin's reaction, you can't introduce the spurious criterion of "is this delicious from my pov".
mircea_popescu: nah, the point of similarity is "things derps don't want to be said", not "things of substance".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's doing basically his own version of http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ ; to exactly the same results.
asciilifeform: not that i necessarily demand to understand what customer does with his box. but in this case it isn't w/out problem for piz & the other residents.
BingoBoingo: He's evangelizing his church on EFNet where there are no cloaks
BingoBoingo: And the way he is proviking this very much seems to be a case of http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/
BingoBoingo: Well, he created datapoints. That's done. Now the thing is this is interfering with the serivce of other customers.
asciilifeform: the shell i've had scrolling dulap log since 11 feb, didnt skip a beat, fwiw.
BingoBoingo: During both events today, machines other than UY1 became inaccessible including Qntra and my rockchip
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is the first time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: did they do this last time around also? cuz to date i have not once observed any problem accessing dulap
asciilifeform: dun load here either
BingoBoingo: I'm inclined to suggest to danielpbarron that when evangelizing on EFNet he use a different bouncer per the Pizarro good neighbor policy http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-good-neighbor-policy/
BingoBoingo: Danielpbarron reported triggering one with his evangelism earlier today in #Pizarro: <danielpbarron> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9TClz/?raw=true << another ddos
BingoBoingo: There was
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is there a ddos ?
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell danielpbarron Was this latest DDoS another member of your fan club?
asciilifeform: tho even in msdos pc clone era, already 1st 'swallows of spring' of this were visible, i still recall the time of 9000 incompatible sound cards etc
asciilifeform: ditto ipnojeism etc. or for that matter the classical msdos envir was pretty close to this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kinda thing is how the various nintendos stay alive. consolist dun have to fiddle w/ gpu drivers etc, plugs in cartridge and gets his tetris in coupla milliseconds, 0 brain req'd
asciilifeform: ftr the item in q is more commonly known as 'stack canary'
a111: Logged on 2015-08-13 18:52 asciilifeform: mats: folks who begin from 'mitigation' position, cannot win by definition. they aren't even trying to. just to 'lose more slowly'
mircea_popescu: "stack protectors" are such a dumbass idea, i swear. who are they supposed to help ? the dumb user doesn't need the stack protected, he needs programs that don't smash it. and the smart user doesn't need fucking blindfolds on, he needs honest, informative and actionable errors. wtf "generic fault of a generic type"
mircea_popescu: at least now it's crashing properly, so i know what the fuck to do.
mircea_popescu: i suspect what's happening is that the gl is trying to do depth comparison on a texture with no depth, through a sampling shader. which...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which nvidia hairball was this box running -- the opensores one, or vendor's turd ?
mircea_popescu: there's a broken shader / nvidia card issue at work here, it's not what i thought at first, pure spuriousness.
mircea_popescu: aaand meanwhile, managing to bash a non-protected hand-compiled wine in the playonlinux hairball has exposed the underlying error : 002b:fixme:d3d_shader:print_glsl_info_log 0(24) : warning C7050: "vs_out[11]" might be used before being initialized
asciilifeform: essentially continuation of the 1980s, ad infinitum
asciilifeform: ( cuz, elementarily, the dr-dos problem, good chunk of winblowz api aint documented -- in any sense, not even internally at microshit )
mircea_popescu: wine per se is an attempt to implement the windows api in posix.
mircea_popescu: the problem being that by now it escaped any sort of human control.
mircea_popescu: ^ kidna curious if anyone can tell the fracture, whereby mp couldn't find what he wanted, lost interest.
asciilifeform: there afaik never was -- it's a wrapper around buncha .dll lifted directly from winblowz cd
mircea_popescu: if you compile it with -fstack-protector it fails in this manner (not just on this game, but many). if you compile it without, it works fine -- however the downstream tree (playonlinux etc) can't very well be coerced to use it.
asciilifeform: afaik gcc's 'stack protection' simply consists of extra turd in stack frame, whose presence then is confirmed before a subroutine ret's. microshit, incidentally, has a similar one. BUT iirc they use diff sizes and contents of the turd.
mircea_popescu: wine necessarily fucks around with the stack, as part of what it DOES.
asciilifeform: pretty curious re the stack smash thing tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, there's no such thing as sorta-clean toilet.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919005 << funnily enuff iirc '10 was the last time i tried to run game in 'wine'. never got audio to work. ( possibly on acct of never having poettering's audio libs, which i think it demands )
a111: Logged on 2019-06-20 10:16 mircea_popescu: does anyone by any chance remember which the fuck trilema article contained this image of a chavy teenage chick, straddling a dude in a car, knees bent, jeans still on but lifted off her cunt, shoving the dude underneath's manhood into her cunt with the left hand ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other side-benefits of image scouring trilema, http://trilema.com/2012/kolima-lolima-molima/
mircea_popescu: but it didn't work when ti didn't work because of the program in question using exotic weird, not because "we shoot selves in foot with buggy half-working gcc stack protection misfeature"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-16 14:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a name for this, 'kitchen intellectuals'
asciilifeform: i.e. loyal servants of reich, exactly like the previous set of derps, or the 'rezistenta prin cultura'(tm)(r) idjits in ro
asciilifeform: this gets even lulzier : there is , for instance, 'react os' , an attempt at a full opensores clone of win2k. but does it run even 1 game w/out crashing? guess. cuz 'ohnoez, we won't read leaked' etc, for 9000th time.
asciilifeform: i.e. exact preview of the 2013 'movie', where the nsa radiobugism docs leaked, and yet somehow still 'why wouldja want emshielded comp, paranoiac'. or heartbleed , and then somehow still 'openssl is standard, shuddup and Don't Write Own Crypto(tm)(r), terrorist'
asciilifeform: 'bbut they can't keep secret worth a shit, here's this .zip, shows you where are all the caltrops' 'shuddup, it neverhappened, why wouldja even mention such a thing, terrorist'
asciilifeform: the microshit leaks thing was asciilifeform's 1st adult life encounter with 'unhappenings'(tm)(r)
a111: Logged on 2019-06-19 16:38 asciilifeform: 'modern linux komyooniti' is quite loyal organ of 'tame opposition', the occasional 20m of biodegradable monopoly money gifted to the occasional esr (who incidentally is begging for change to buy wheelchair, reportedly his legs went) goes long way
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, a full (afaik) win2k sores snapshot leaked in early 2000s. but did the 'wine' people win from it ? guess. 'ohnoez, mustn't read leaked sores, damns yer soul to hell' or what did the idjits say.
asciilifeform: ( even moar outrageously, the actual msdos 6.22 sores leaked ~fully 20 yrs ago~ and devs of 'dosbox' opensores emulator ~still~ afaik use dr-dos/pc-dos 'mostly' compatible, entirely uninformed from the leak... )
asciilifeform: problem as it is, is even older than linuxism -- recall in '90s, 'dr-dos', and how worked with only ~some~ msdos proggies but not others, given as people wrote 'for msdos', i.e. intimately wedded to the bugs and undocumented misfeatures etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'wine' breakage -- i'm not aware that the opensores 'wine' ever worked even with ancient gamez. the 'play on linux' thing iirc uses the commercial (formerly payware) version, which iirc includes actual libs copied wholesale from microshit. i.e. cocktail of oddball crapola and ~actual microshit~. so, unsurprised that it barfs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was either in a very classic ro trilema ( that i did not eat yet ) or elsewhere entirely ( in-chan lnk )
a111: Logged on 2019-06-20 10:16 mircea_popescu: does anyone by any chance remember which the fuck trilema article contained this image of a chavy teenage chick, straddling a dude in a car, knees bent, jeans still on but lifted off her cunt, shoving the dude underneath's manhood into her cunt with the left hand ?
mircea_popescu: and i can't write, because i need a reference i can no longer find.i have no fucking idea how to fix this sort of problem, nor do i truly speaking expect it'll ever get fixed. so w/e, i guess ima trash this thousand words and move on. except the specter of "there's an X% chance you won't be able to complete the article you wish to write" is sufficiently chilling to permanently discourage one from even starting.
mircea_popescu: ke in the windows days, entirely and utterly unfixable. there's no alternate paths anymore, you can't get wine x to work with pol y anymore than you can get a chunk of windows nt to drop-in replace some chunk of windows vista.
mircea_popescu: well so let's see here : i can't play, because after sinking however many hours in chasing dependencies and fixing assorted if widely distributed breakage the end story is that "foss" has managed to really give the whole game away -- there is ONE chain, consisting of play on linux so-and-so using wine-so-and-so on ubuntu this-and-that, and you pray it works -- because if it doesn't work, THAT IS IT, "there was an error" li
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : you may build and even install a proper wine (ie, configured without the derp-ass gcc "stack protection", that evidently doesn't work) ; and it'll even work, system-wide. however that doesn't mean playonlinux won't stick to its sadder, older version. and of course you can't just force-copy symlinks over in its holy directory, because they're all brokenly relative, and gns resolution works as shown in that p
mircea_popescu: people who code, the intellectual legacy.
mircea_popescu: can't fucking find anything on this blog of mine, by now it's taking longer to amass the references than it takes to write a god damned article.
mircea_popescu: does anyone by any chance remember which the fuck trilema article contained this image of a chavy teenage chick, straddling a dude in a car, knees bent, jeans still on but lifted off her cunt, shoving the dude underneath's manhood into her cunt with the left hand ?
diana_coman: I'm not sure the 2 groups are any different really
mircea_popescu: diana_coman there is that yeah
mircea_popescu: so i brought back screen to manage the term sessions for these idiots. THIS is the sense of progress : from 10.04 to 18.04, they lost terminal management, i'm back to screen. i didn't actually use it in 10.04
mircea_popescu: and speaking of terrible accessibility : they changed the taskbar structure from purely linear to a sorta broken tree, so that all terminals snap together into a single terminal icon (holy shit WHY, everyone's taskbar is 90% terms and that is THE ONLY REASON to even HAVE clickable taskbars) so now i have to do two clicks, one to bring up a derpy bubble and a second to bring up the wanted terminal, which blows btw because n
diana_coman: pretty much when they ask for flex, bison follows
mircea_popescu: or do you mean, "shipping broken" ? cuz sure, it is, but what the fuck did they put in those FOUR cds ? the gfx is shitty, the accessibility broken and the compiling dun werk.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-19 19:59 mircea_popescu: meanwhile continuing the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918697 nonsense : wine doesn't work worth a shit on the new ubuntu. it never worked splendidly, granted, but it was quite workable last i looked into this half decade ago. it degraded significantly. for instance, after a bunch of installing various, i'm left with a taskbar fulla dead icons. (well, in fairness they bring up a transparent exclamation point in a tria
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 15:50 mircea_popescu: remarkable just how useless computers are these days. so first, i chugged in 2gb of ubuntu. the moment it came up it wanted to get a further 450mb of "updates". then it turns out ~every game out there has pretty much outsourced its distribution (and, i suspect, debugging, such as it is) to steam (with a minor gog presence as well). so you gotta install steam. that's only 50mb or so, but a third layer by now.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-09 13:05 mircea_popescu: b) install gcc. and then make. because it SHIPS WITHOUT THESE. and then of course discover the current versions don't match what the kernel was compiled with.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, they manage to include NOTHING (i also had to include a c compiler myself earlier. and fucking make.) in those 2GB of bloat that ARE ANTIUSEFUL!!!
mircea_popescu: so one, obviously, is stuck installing a proper wine on the system, because fuck me if i'm not getting off beginner island (VERY fucking annoying manifestation of the bug -- crashes you in the final battle, with that asswipe eric).
mircea_popescu: in other, ongoing lulz of the endless saga : "*** stack smashing detected ***: <unknown> terminated" << wine (as bundled with the shitty ubuntu in question, v 3.0-1) abuses "stack protection" to crash perfectly fine programs (in this case, king's bounty - warriors of the north).
mircea_popescu: kinda what all these are derived from, hardblown, method-acted comedy. it's a cinematic adaptation of a roadshow style of entertainment (much like the "high class production" fred astaire / frank sinatra etc were in try to steal broadway for the studios)
BingoBoingo: Watching Naked Gun 33 1/3, my how rauchy comedy fell between there and Retard Pie pocas años despues
BingoBoingo: But all of those were after 2006. Before that it was only the occasional hour or so during thunderstorms.
BingoBoingo: I remember very recently back in the US the power was out for an extended period of time because it was summer and the line carrying power into town caught fire.
BingoBoingo: Not at all like back in the states where storms would turn into multi day blackouts
BingoBoingo: Not particularly, but the local news has to do the panic thing to make ad sales I guess.
mod6: Wasn't worth the long lines eh?
BingoBoingo: And apparently in Colonia (the place where cheese comes from) the river gunk turning over messed with their water treatment plant.
BingoBoingo: So, the only noticable impact of the "ciclono extratropical" that hit here is a bunch of gunk washed up on the beach.
BingoBoingo: In the local newses https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/justicia-permitio-a-narco-de-minas-cumplir-condena-en-su-casa--2019619161724
asciilifeform: literally the 1 lappy made since '07 or so, with ~square lcd.
asciilifeform: before going to this, will note -- interestingly, the 'huawei' has a... 3000x2000 .
asciilifeform will bbl, in fact has to do something ~on the pictured box~ no less !
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am a skald, my name's oglaf, an' FOR THE C
asciilifeform: briefly were in the wild here in washingtonistan
asciilifeform: i saw them, i think, alive
mircea_popescu: you recall the amiga guy's failed bid to make a sort of tablets-in-tables restaurant/amusement park ?
mircea_popescu: is this where the "rounded corners" trend ends up ?!