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ben_vulpes: SO WHY THE FUCK WRITE SHIT FOR PEOPLE NOT IN THE WOT
ben_vulpes: isn't the classic answer 'the other gurlz'?
ben_vulpes: so riddle me this: why the everloving fuck *should* i make any tool usable for anyone outside of my wot?
ben_vulpes: yes well clearly when we actually have gossipd auth i can wash my hands of auth too.
ben_vulpes: if so i would like an introduction to this registrar, they sound like good people to know
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu proposes to manage dns without authentication? is this like the mythical bezzlebroker who only communicates in gpggrams with $maxint clients?
ben_vulpes: incl assbot
ben_vulpes: aight but before we go haring off completely is there an argument to be made in favor of wotmembers signing authentication tokens over decrypting authentication tokens?
ben_vulpes: well no it wouldn't be sensible things
ben_vulpes blinks
ben_vulpes: primes and not?
ben_vulpes: right right, just gleefully abstaining from helping lol
ben_vulpes: "i don't solve problems, i just make them"
ben_vulpes chuckles
ben_vulpes: useles, you are!
ben_vulpes: merry cribmusk.
ben_vulpes: from pasteshite design to "all you-sians are congenitally retarded" in less than 50 lines.
ben_vulpes: i'm not saying that they won't, i'm say that nobody appears to actually be doing so.
ben_vulpes: people aren't getting blogs and using them.
ben_vulpes: and miscellaneous other pasteshites who shit crlfs and waste precious trb time
ben_vulpes: people are still using motherfucking dpaste!
ben_vulpes: plus every irc community evolves until it has its own pastebin or how did that old saw go
ben_vulpes: that's what i've been doing, but it's not working and i'm still seeing heinous linefeed issues hamstringing and tripping up trb scouts
ben_vulpes: yeeeeeah.
ben_vulpes: but this is extremely inconvenient to use.
ben_vulpes: alternatively, rotate the pubkey every day, encrypting to l2 and hosting myself.
ben_vulpes: i did briefly consider letting people sub out a disposable key
ben_vulpes: and redistribute whenever someone pisses in my cheerios?
ben_vulpes: and having a known set of users rules out a whole class of misbehaviors.
ben_vulpes: because i have no interest in building things for the mob.
ben_vulpes: punkman, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: destestable though they may be for injecting state into the stateless protocol, would a single "signin" page with an assbot-style decryption of OTP that results in a session key authenticating the user to the perlwad be an improvement, and are there better solutions i'm not considering? anonymous drive-by pasting is not a better solution imho.
ben_vulpes: but i was up till 5 last night, so not really applying the razor
ben_vulpes: brief snippet sounded sorta with-it
ben_vulpes baffled that ipnohe coolie is starving somehow
ben_vulpes: there's an experimental aspect to it as well, in the vein of getting more signed msterial out in the world
ben_vulpes: k, noted
ben_vulpes: but i don't think you called out specifically that you can rewrite the whole file's line ending styles without invalidating it
ben_vulpes: ah that's right you beat me to this one by a long shot
ben_vulpes: isn't it grand!?
ben_vulpes: ahh i love shipping in the wee hours
ben_vulpes: jurov: while we're on the topic...
ben_vulpes: isn't that called a webserver?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntra.net/contact/ << missed this one?
ben_vulpes: the link you cite as mircea_popescu picking 0.5.3 is a response to a request for a copy of the source of a particular vintage
ben_vulpes: eh gtfo pete
ben_vulpes: > 0.5.3 selected by Mircea Popescu
ben_vulpes: aha, yes.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there anything to this gdansk deepwater port nyooz?
ben_vulpes: there are specific heads i'm out for yet.
ben_vulpes: i dgaf about guards
ben_vulpes: this shit is enough to make me despair of anything but burning everything down.
ben_vulpes: how is it that place can get away without showing a profit?
ben_vulpes is surprised asciilifeform's parser can handle the title, much less the piece
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you want a rehash of the GUD stuff? a wholesale reexamination of every point in the piece?
ben_vulpes: rooting around in middens
ben_vulpes: "research"
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352445 << oh come on, no citation even?! i spent hours on that research.
ben_vulpes: or, talking about script?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352327 << wait, what has changed in the bootup process that would justify an update?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352122 << this was never actually on the table, the thread was war stories on my part and generalized architectural opining on mircea_popescu's
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352005 << neat! i would dearly love to see this.
ben_vulpes: nifty.
ben_vulpes: okay, this i now dig.
ben_vulpes: i am completely out of my depth here.
ben_vulpes: in that any byte array can be used to represent an integer?
ben_vulpes: please bear with me for a moment, hashes are then actually a sortable thing, a la...integers?
ben_vulpes: "keys" in this case would be 'txid's?
ben_vulpes: i must now admit to only a kindergarten level understanding of data structures, for any who remain un-clued-in to this fact
ben_vulpes: how then to sort transactions?
ben_vulpes opens the door, gestures frantically
ben_vulpes: sure, but did you miss the line where i asked "what data structure will work here?"?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351815 << have i not yet achieved loglightenment on how to index the transaction set?
ben_vulpes: like i said, 'twill remain a mystery
ben_vulpes nods in appreciation
ben_vulpes: oddball pun
ben_vulpes: ages, ageists, women in tech
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re handwriting, it is a mystery for the ageists
ben_vulpes: yes but /have you run it under gdb/
ben_vulpes waves at Naphex
ben_vulpes: why the everloving fuck would trb care about rtrees
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351774 << conversation wasn't strictly about trb but dbs in general
ben_vulpes: run it under gdb?
ben_vulpes: bloody wacky thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: i'm curious to know what data structures people who understand data structures would suggest for storage and indexing
ben_vulpes: try setting them in the config file
ben_vulpes: does it work with a getinfo and no rpcuser/password?
ben_vulpes: that's why eulora's looking for mapgen in $yourlang
ben_vulpes: it ain't hard
ben_vulpes: punkman: just write some cffi
ben_vulpes: external process
ben_vulpes: notrly a server
ben_vulpes: lol but should it crash with those?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: check debug.log?
ben_vulpes: anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer?
ben_vulpes cannot recall what triggers this message
ben_vulpes: sounds extremely familiar
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c does your wot thinger spit out json anywhere?
ben_vulpes: you can do it!
ben_vulpes: tonight is whitespace night in the sweet republic of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: quelle mort
ben_vulpes: you're full of spunk tonight
ben_vulpes: i suspect maintaining that java/c layer would be more expensive than just beating adequate performance out of sqlite was
ben_vulpes: corvette is hiding from the rain, wife is back in the kitchen, and child is inflating at normal biological rates
ben_vulpes: actually what's an embeddable-via-c relational db that does r-trees besides sqlite?
ben_vulpes: i know first hand the costs of making it do...stuff.
ben_vulpes: aha yes
ben_vulpes: how the fuck on earth is one supposed to know if the original text had \n, \r, \r\n or whatever the original hodgepodge of linefeeds was to begin with?
ben_vulpes: armor -- most poorly-named flag in the history of nix tools.
ben_vulpes: i must be the last person to have figured this out or something.
ben_vulpes: and both fucking verify
ben_vulpes: 'cause i'm looking at 2 text files with different shasum 256's and the precise same text except for linefeeds
ben_vulpes: and whitespace on linefeeds in between blocks of text in signed files?
ben_vulpes: is it old news that gnupg dgaf about linefeed types?
ben_vulpes: backups, backups, backups.
ben_vulpes: i'm not actually serious mod6
ben_vulpes: eh, deedbot's an adequate pastebin
ben_vulpes: didn't someone figure out which pasteshite didn't?
ben_vulpes: every single time man
ben_vulpes: remind me why sqlite wouldn't have worked here?
ben_vulpes: death to all key-value stores
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349743 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349744 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349873 << log grepping is becoming its own skill. i recently lost five minutes looking for "month" instead of "mos."
ben_vulpes: interesting to note the various timelines for replication of trb work
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349573 << i could crap out a limited subset of toolchain adequate to demonstrate workflow with/out emacs if you'd like
ben_vulpes vanishes
ben_vulpes: in other news the incal's a not bad romp
ben_vulpes: i guess we don't need baby jebus to save the britneychain if the linux foundation's going to fork the phr33 w0rld off it
ben_vulpes: highest but invalid pow chain?
ben_vulpes: funny, it's like 90% of why i'm even here
ben_vulpes afk, will follow along via ipnohe
ben_vulpes looks forward to mp's contract for the death of modern web tech
ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
ben_vulpes: the mess of complexity in development (not just 'web', chil'ren) is very very similar to the argentine problem of everyone believing their flats are worth all that us paper.
ben_vulpes: legend has it that he reprogrammed hung satellites on the fly with forth
ben_vulpes: god bless chuck
ben_vulpes: yeah i didn't hear anything from asciilifeform to the contrary
ben_vulpes: negative.
ben_vulpes will sign off on tarballs and v'd hashes thereof.
ben_vulpes: yeah we might get there and again stan might get hit by a bus tomorrow
ben_vulpes: and just the likelihood of that happening makes me want those under v.
ben_vulpes: et al
ben_vulpes: it's vastly more likely that someone's going to need to crap out a patch for eg openssl than replace it wholesale.
ben_vulpes: unless we want seperate v 'repos' for each dep for distributing patches to those libs
ben_vulpes: we'll need to v everything
ben_vulpes: implies deps on dns, net, a million failure points.
ben_vulpes: our current vendoring goes and pulls that from thebitcoin.foundation, right?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's 2 that makes me want to vendor dependency sources.
ben_vulpes: how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'?
ben_vulpes: (shiva-verifiable, perhaps)
ben_vulpes: none of those are really human-verifiable either.
ben_vulpes: dependencies to freeze: bdb, boost, openssl
ben_vulpes: too much problem surface area!
ben_vulpes: (the kernel line was a joke, but whatever)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: so buildroot is out of scope then.
ben_vulpes: only question in my mind is if we stick linus' kernel in there too.
ben_vulpes: one could stick source dependencies into some "lib" dir, wire that into the builder, update the scripts and then produce some new patches with the entire world, right?
ben_vulpes: plus yeah, we have V, why not really tax it.
ben_vulpes: simply because every additional http call to get another bundle of source is another weak link, another hole for the night etc
ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards a 'monorepo'
ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
ben_vulpes: freeze 'em.
ben_vulpes needs a refresher in elementary statistics apparently
ben_vulpes: gold swans lol
ben_vulpes: i guess i'm asking if there's a known closed-form solution to this question.
ben_vulpes: jurov: please for to not be getting the pathological cases involved
ben_vulpes: rubio, trump, etc
ben_vulpes: there are n candidates, each with individual odds of winning a competition. how do i derive odds on the whole field from those binary outcomes?
ben_vulpes: unless i'm even wronger than normal that's not a clean mapping
ben_vulpes: take the odds on the republican election
ben_vulpes: beyond that mircea_popescu and hanbot are probably the experts and asciilifeform might know the maths
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c ^^
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, how does one calculate the odds of mutually-exclusive outcomes from binary odds on each individual outcome?
ben_vulpes: where's the "MPEx down for over a month in 2016" bet?
ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu's boxes are getting stolen and you're complaining about a bad trip?
ben_vulpes: ^^ extraneous '/' in those urls, mthreat kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: !s muh boxen
ben_vulpes: !s my servers
ben_vulpes: whatever did happen to bitcointa.lk
ben_vulpes: (and your other work)
ben_vulpes: how grows masamune?
ben_vulpes: alive, in gear, and enjoyable thank you
ben_vulpes: evening, gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: yes well, life in pursuit of 'kwalidee'
ben_vulpes: recent bug: "colors are weird on 5s"
ben_vulpes: 6 american regular, 6 small, 5, 5s, the whole gamut.
ben_vulpes: of course
ben_vulpes: yes! it got worse!
ben_vulpes: it had yet to be shitted up by the rubros.
ben_vulpes: 'pod's
ben_vulpes: can always rip pod out temporarily, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: there is a big user-friendly button: "run this on my ipnohe or in the simulat0r"
ben_vulpes: there isn't much of a separation of concerns in the ios toolchain.
ben_vulpes: include this 'pod' in your ios build, get HTTP calls on project compile.
ben_vulpes: symbols which it CAN ONLY GET ON COMPILE apparently.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes you see it needs the debug symbols transmitted to some leprous SaaS thing for in-the-field device debugging
ben_vulpes: remind me to tell y'all about the ios build toolchain plugin that makes curl calls ON COMPILE
ben_vulpes: as if ctags were so hard to use.
ben_vulpes: write moar l1nez!
ben_vulpes does not even look at that bill any more, $ragetax simply not worthwhile
ben_vulpes: for only ten dollars per user per month
ben_vulpes: "show the non-technicals what the nerds are doing! with color!"
ben_vulpes: precisely.
ben_vulpes: "you want jumptodef? lolneckbeard"
ben_vulpes: because github is a thing sillyconvalley bizwrapper around a versoncontrolatroncumhoster for people who don't actually want to or know how to use computers
ben_vulpes: more software, more problems.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how's your libressl node faring?
ben_vulpes: this is a pile of work jurov, wd
ben_vulpes: i've almost forgotten how painful it is. i can tell because i'm itching to muntz further.
ben_vulpes: i've been there too, jurov
ben_vulpes: well that's horrendous.
ben_vulpes: just to be sure i'm on the same page, this 'hang' eventually ends when the node completely processes the block?
ben_vulpes: oh this is an explanation for said?
ben_vulpes: well i'm yes? ing about the black hole.
ben_vulpes: oh yes?
ben_vulpes: and critical_block and friends.
ben_vulpes: thanks, critical_section!
ben_vulpes: other than listening for new blocks in steady state in my experience.
ben_vulpes: a trb node doing much of anything at all is pretty slow to respond to local api requests.
ben_vulpes: victory of the rentiers.
ben_vulpes: !up renart
ben_vulpes: !up renart
ben_vulpes: !up renart
ben_vulpes: what a sight
ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform as pet
ben_vulpes: c'est moi
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