pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and their value in general. maybe asciilifeform likes that leccy cars are 'cleaner' but $10k for a new battery pack every decade ? nothx.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: derpy's gotta swim towards the usg-lifepreserver somehow
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's sorta the definition of externalities.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 17:42 trinque: jurov: there, be as floppy as you want, puny human
BingoBoingo: _FeltPen: Also register a key and do they right things
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 20:12 covertress: On Twitter, A.A. wrote: If the person who drained the DAO wants to do an interview, I can offer voice-masking and anonymity. Contact me via http://antonopoulos.com
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities.
pete_dushenski: and in other trollbox nooz, "FatAlbert: frankthetank, No offense but Barry Silbert is NOT invited. The last time he ate all the shrimp (odd!) and threw up in the bathtub. Cleaned it up with his shorts"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: no dispute on musk's contribution to range. but it's still like making the best ipad ~intheworld~. call it what you want but it's a poor replacement for a workstation, just as is electric car for gas car.
pete_dushenski: just, it was a 1.8L, but 'rover' made engine in the early lotus elise
asciilifeform: fact is, prior to musk there were no electromobile with ~reasonable range.
ben_vulpes: would *love* to have pushed one of the electric-drive ones around. not as a useful car thing, but as a dope little driving chassis with an electric powertrain.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:30 pete_dushenski: musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors
pete_dushenski: the elise, evora, exige do, yes.
ben_vulpes: they run toyota engines, right?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: they supposedly drive well. but they're still british (ie. won't start when cloudy)
ben_vulpes: i thought they were moderately expensive, barebones, fast and stiff little vehicles
pete_dushenski: musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Latest qntra may also be of interest to you since you want to become agri-cultured
asciilifeform: who the hell even uses 1024-bit keys, and for what.
asciilifeform: covertress: wait i have another business idea
asciilifeform: 'Krypton will be the only decentralized blockchain represented at the conference' << holy mother of fuckq, what
covertress: Excuse me, Krypton is my fork of Ethereum (alt-eth). Here is today's current: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbgqesyy320gaer/Krypton4.pdf?dl=0
BingoBoingo: covertress: No, I'm implying I don't know who or what you are, but you as sure as hell aren't my soybeans. Hence the rating of 1 denoting limited information beyond this. I have no idea what you mean by KR or your alt-eth.
covertress: KR was created for me as a gift. My gift to the KR community will be to make it better.
shinohai: kk BingoBoingo I have nothing on the warmer as of yet
ben_vulpes: anyways, let the lady dig her own holes
shinohai: I don't have them
covertress: Love the Palmer's Amaranth, BingoBoingo. So witty. :)
shinohai: asciilifeform she needs another rate I think, I am not L1 so ...
ben_vulpes: myeah. key is one thing, anyone can make those. what turns ye olde keypair into an identity is its registration with the wot.
ben_vulpes: where does the wot visualization live this week?
BingoBoingo: And mind the most important piece on "cryptocurrency" this month was authored in January 2015
ben_vulpes: nevermind the hilarity of some wot nonperson inviting someone to tmsr~
BingoBoingo shouts out to thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: these logs are a) more widely read than any shithead 140 character 'prose', and b) read by people whose attention spans can handle them.
BingoBoingo: Mind that http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ is the most influential piece on cryptocurrency this month
covertress: Shall I invite A.A. here then?
ben_vulpes: no, you don't use scare quotes about the actual bitcoin forum.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:40 mircea_popescu: the reason you do not want to discuss anything with hitler, such as for instance in the shape of hitler's own propaganda magazine "interviewing" you is that they aren't interviewing you. what they are doing is trying for a "o noes scandal and wilhelm lost all his support" piece. if it works, they got it, if it doesn't work, "it never happened".
covertress: On Twitter, A.A. wrote: If the person who drained the DAO wants to do an interview, I can offer voice-masking and anonymity. Contact me via http://antonopoulos.com
asciilifeform: just in time, we've these here tresses that need coverin'.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot 'alcachofa 7515' is mega-story. i can almost apprehend the sheer vacuum inside the argentine heads now!111
deedbot: [The Whet] Line Betting on BitBet, Closing Out - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-closing-out/
deedbot: [The Whet] In which a city that never sleeps burns out. - http://thewhet.net/2016/in-which-a-city-that-never-sleeps-burns-out/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, February and March 2016 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-february-and-march-2016/
deedbot: [The Whet] How to Unmake Money in Eulora, Sorta - http://thewhet.net/2016/how-to-unmake-money-in-eulora-sorta/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, January 2016 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2016/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, December 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-december-2015/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, November 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-november-2015/
deedbot: [The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, October 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-october-2015/
asciilifeform: hanbot's www is not in the deedbot feed ?
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, did this http://thewhet.net/2016/alcachofa-7515 ever appear here ?
mod6: we need a place where we can grab these.
mod6: i've been running into a bunch of instances lately where the download sites for these artifacts have been down/unavailable.
trinque: so then, deed moar turds
mod6: haha. traverse-all-the-sites.jpg
mod6: helps to tell it where to find the thing :D
trinque: missing the hostname hombre
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell asciilifeform Thing to do other than bugger dead badgers http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article92341522.html#navlink=SecList
trinque: bundle will be cut at the hour, so I'd do it all either before then or after, so you can reference a single deed bundle in docs or w/e
mod6: <+trinque> that was buildroot << awesome! thanks for putting that in there.
thestringpuller: make life as miserable as possible for the student, until one day student realizes he actually learned a lot
asciilifeform: 'The Arkakao place closed down.' << noooooooooooooooooo
thestringpuller: they called it*
thestringpuller: slut shopping is what they call it
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller seems pretty natural.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 14:43 mircea_popescu: there's a hundred to a thousand daughters of "single parent" families with fucking siblings, ie, whoredaughters, who instead of joining their mother's brothel go to "community college" and end up with just about enough "college debt" to cover a decent party weekend. IN FOUR YEARS.
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510735 << I have a great story regarding this from my alma matar. There was this guy was a rich alumni (trophy wife and everything), and would come back to campus to "hang out". Anyhow he'd pick up chicks and become their sugar daddy. Note that one of these girls is married to a beta-male working for crapple, and another chick who was "in a monogamous relationship" for years at the time. Point being,
mircea_popescu: for as long as there's open fire it an't explode.
asciilifeform: recall the 'shit in a hole for 5 years' thread?
mircea_popescu: do you know why room blows up ? not BECAUSE "there was already flame there". but specificially, exactly because THERE WASNT.
mircea_popescu: the REASON it exists is specifically that prior it didn't exist.
mircea_popescu: "you legalize pot to win, i make it legal for anyone with college debt to take anything they want from us armed forces depot"
mircea_popescu: but this imagination is predicated on mental gymnastics, the disavowal of the obvious tit for the tat.
mircea_popescu: the specific idiocy of the libertards is that they imagine themselves doing "the utmost", most scandalous outrageous move and so will win!
mircea_popescu: the campaign clearly moved into "nuclear option" territory, what with hillary doing the pot dance.
mircea_popescu: all the disenfranchised idiots in the us want is the butchery of the military-industrials. they're on incredibru thin ice as it is.
asciilifeform: who is the new parallel corps now?
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu recall the 'auspicious incident' ?
mircea_popescu: and it's literally, and plainly stated. "there won't be a next time for you. but if there were a 2nd last time, you'd better make damn sure the republican party crowns me from day one and on its knees. bitches."
mircea_popescu: if trump had any sense, lockheed, northrop & friends are FULLY defunded the same day, and are allowed the mercy to perhaps beg for SOME SMALL PORTION of re-funding, maybe, someday.
asciilifeform: nobody's defunding lockheed et al. whoever is stubborn enough to bribe diebold et al to keep finger off the cheat button and win, will eat some 'bad shellfish' during some party dinner and that'll be that.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that the implied agent in "electable" is not an agent in this play.
asciilifeform: from my perch, mr t is not electable, unless he mccains and promises, answerable with his arse and his woman-sausages, to play ball, and prolly not then, either.
mircea_popescu: similar principle likely applies - the military-industrials SHOULD have had the fucking sense to bring their party to heel. that they didn't calls for bloodletting.
mircea_popescu: there's a price to pay for the idiotic pretense put up by the gop. when a woman does it, the custom is to slide the knife in her asshole before the penis, to cut her sphyncter permanently.
mircea_popescu: the hint is above. nowwhat.
mircea_popescu: "the us still got enough juice to defend ITSELF. and as to the rest of you bitches - talk to greece, they're like... cool and shit. ask'em."
mircea_popescu: watch him win and announce the dissolution of nato as part of his inauguration speech.
BingoBoingo: Anyways soon Obama/Clinton will make weed legal and then all problems may be toked/vaped under the rug.
BingoBoingo: Shame your cashiering job doesn't offer the right kind of experience with money to have perspective either
mircea_popescu: awww, i thought oil hurt russia not the good guys.
mircea_popescu: most of the reason my usual "we're going to the party now. take off your clothes ; keep your knees apart at all times" is so insta-delicious. much like icecream in a world of gruel.
mircea_popescu: but the legion of poor, hopeless, bropariahs, doing the dirty work of nursing stupid cunts, nobody cares about those.
mircea_popescu: and somehow nobody's concerned about their exploitation, either. if they were worthelss 5 yo curry eaters making soccer apparel everyone'd be up in arms.
mircea_popescu: caring guys with a greatsense of humor, the world's worst paid nurses.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it ain't even close to fucking unless they call it "rape".
mircea_popescu: and in general, nurses do the dirst work for moneys.
mircea_popescu: the work - and it IS work - involved in the average encounter known as a "hook up" or "one night stand" is a lot closer to nursing an elderly stupid patient than to fucking.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why the dudes are dumb enough to not expect to be paid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't call the "normal" encounters anything as noble as rape. it's servicing.
mircea_popescu: they are "similarly squishy". one can survive on its own, and does.
asciilifeform: a few hr/day , here, in the evening they go to the rape pits, voluntarily, beer-lubricated
mircea_popescu: the relation between she-ustard and tradition-whore is about the same as between chicken liver and a mouse.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i look forward to the reintroduction of that ancient italian tradition of the whore family.
mircea_popescu: (tomato is called goldenfruit in italian because they saw it first, and when they saw it the shit cost its weight in gold pretty much)
mircea_popescu: commerce is not all need. who NEEDED pomodori or spices? yet these non-needs drove the age of trade.
mircea_popescu: everything's a buyer's market once money actually exists. which is so fucking important for the stupid party that money doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: if anyone needed them for anything.
mircea_popescu: there's a hundred to a thousand daughters of "single parent" families with fucking siblings, ie, whoredaughters, who instead of joining their mother's brothel go to "community college" and end up with just about enough "college debt" to cover a decent party weekend. IN FOUR YEARS.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you gotta make room in the model for the me-toos, who are most of it by weight. for every whewish princess that goes to vassar / wesleyan "cuz that's where hillary sent her kids" bla bla and blows "cost my parents about 250k... about 10k a year" on chinese calligraphy and clowning double major,
asciilifeform: and why the mention of paper bills...?
asciilifeform: '25,000. That’s the number of single dollar bills that I will eventually have to pay back. ' << wtf
mircea_popescu: the neurotic mind of the typical millennial is incapable of what you and i call memory just like the brainfried derps on wall street are incapable of banking. pokemon go, "revolutionizing", stuff like that. but "housewife" can't fucking cook and college student can't fucking remember.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention signs up for all this debt to... what? Pay for "memories" other people are getting 4Phree?
mircea_popescu: this sort of femtard is approximately equal to the "driving expert" who spends most of her time on her bike watching the cars go by from behind the fence.
mircea_popescu: http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2016/6/14/having-student-debt-helped-me-find-myself/ << "slavery is the definitive formative experience for the female. but GOTTA NOT BE TO A MAN!!11 anything, everything, no matter that it doesn't work or make sense. I WILL NEVER SUBMIT!!11eleventy"
mircea_popescu: in other penis news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/32743ef89e3eaa82309fd1ddd5c5e959/tumblr_ncf9jke3w71st7pw8o1_400.gif
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "Ms. Dyspnea: "Bullshit. I asked the nurse if I could just get the oxygen in my IV, and she said she couldn't do that. We all know she could just take off this stupid mask and plug it into my IV instead." "
BingoBoingo: Since the cops are exonerated, for alf http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-dirt-bike-website-20160727-story.html
mircea_popescu: "vegetarian - just like $random-ustarian-starlet. for different reasons altogether, but who's cuntin'."
mircea_popescu occasionalyl goes by poor people summons in this city, asking obrero women to gather for classes in home economics, how to not get beaten by husband, and "vegetarian" cooking.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 04:36 mircea_popescu: i wonder what happened to all the derps who went on about how bitcoin ain't stable enough.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510691 << they jizzed in their pants when it spiked from the 400s and are still cleaning up??
mircea_popescu: i wonder what happened to all the derps who went on about how bitcoin ain't stable enough.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "BEING AN ILLITERATE OR A LITERATE IS NOT A BARRIER TO BEING A MILLIONAIRE"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 14:21 asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in)
mircea_popescu: then again i also have no idea how the less wrong derps can live under the same sun as http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how any of them can maintain the pretense of "thinking" and "rational" with this on the table.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 19:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510521 << which is the idiocy here. what, seriously, MY ram is free for YOUR asking ? hurr.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510643 << the extra special lul is that the crapolade ~never~ worked!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510640 << i suppose it is possible to watch cockfight without feeling urge to strap razors to one or the other bird...
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 19:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510490 << so what, the solution is to pretend we don't care ? that's how they got in the shit in the first place, you eager to follow shuit ?
mircea_popescu: and in other news, girl making sushi out of just now cut salmon and things.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:58 trinque: perhaps one of the heads of the foundation could do that diplomacy
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510585 << they don't seem really cut for that water. keeping the foundation mission technological in nature is prolly the safer bet for a while yet.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:55 thestringpuller: mining op is expensive and every miner i've procured has been a borderline drug deal
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:32 thestringpuller: so you can't put it in the block chain it just sits in mempool until nlocktime passes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510521 << which is the idiocy here. what, seriously, MY ram is free for YOUR asking ? hurr.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:17 thestringpuller: dunno if qntra-worthy
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510490 << so what, the solution is to pretend we don't care ? that's how they got in the shit in the first place, you eager to follow shuit ?
asciilifeform: i will point out that ~every word uttered thus far, by claimed miners, has turned out to have ~0 relationship with the truth.
asciilifeform: (i.e. only on the mempool end? or on both ends ?)
asciilifeform: so outcome would depend on ~where~ they narrowed
asciilifeform: and it will be orphaned unless you can outrun the entire set. i.e. 51%ate.
asciilifeform: but if they 'narrowed protocol' then yes, their existing code will reject your block to build on
asciilifeform: (naturally whether they do or not would depend on whether the cartel specifically targets you for zapping, otherwise it is matter for luck)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:59 thestringpuller: trinque: you don't need to burn millions to mine 1 block a day (more than enoguh for tmsr) you need about $150k starting capital and some good luck to hope difficulty doesn't skyrocket on you
asciilifeform: (or nsa, which, for the purpose of this discussion, is a variant of chinese)
thestringpuller: the only way to exit from mining is to resell the hardware or mine until its obsolete and hope the principal is repaid
thestringpuller: That's not what I'm saying. Mining is temporary as hardware goes obsolete. YOu milk the hardware as much as possible, and resell it to bagholders, and buy newer hardware.
thestringpuller: basically you buy mining equipment then relist it while you're mining
thestringpuller: i also don't like putting dollars into miners when I could put them into bitcoins
thestringpuller: trinque: there is if you want to succumb to radiation poisoning in 3 months.
asciilifeform: it is only a question of who the chump is in a given operation.
trinque: this magical world where there is never a reason to do something is not one I inhabit
asciilifeform: you ~could~ find someone who will 'i speak for the trees! for the trees, have no tongues!'
asciilifeform: you cannot talk to pond scum. they dun have names, or identities.
thestringpuller: trinque: it isn't, but unfortunately the way chip distribution is pretty much a cartel, you're at the whim of the universe in terms of profitibility.
asciilifeform: eh if we write to some chinese bloke (and is there a known miner in the WOT? afaik there is not, nor any reason to ever expect there to be),
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Mining operation has to be subsidized with some other activity.
asciilifeform: that's the issue, aha
thestringpuller: i don't know why anyone in their right mine would want to mine
thestringpuller: yes. there is miner collusion to make rules more "granular" without permission from nodes
thestringpuller: mtgox halted withdrawals until core implemented the high-S thing in PRB.
asciilifeform: 'i won't mine this because i dun like the colour of its shoes'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i have nfi how mtgox could have 'forced miners' to anything whatsoever.
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.10.0#0722 << still quite the same in prb 10 !!
thestringpuller: the high-s thing was cause mtgox had terrible accountants and forced miners to do the high-s thing
thestringpuller: yea. but i'm looking at core code and the nlocktime thing seems untouched until peter todd era
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: mno
thestringpuller: i thought the high-S thing was due to PRB nodes fellating low-S transactions until they became high-S ones.
thestringpuller: I don't recall seeing any nlocktime tx's in the wild
asciilifeform: see the high-S case.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what EXTANT miners CHOOSE to mine, and what COULD be mined, if there were sane folks mining, are quite distinct things.
asciilifeform also finds it interesting that the locktime nonsense is checked prior to testing the ins
asciilifeform: i could spoil the 'surprise', but why.
thestringpuller: "nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block."
asciilifeform: do i have to draw the picture here ?
thestringpuller: so you can't put it in the block chain it just sits in mempool until nlocktime passes
thestringpuller: you can't mine based on the protocol. nlocktime means the transaction isn't valid until nlocktime has passed
asciilifeform: so long as trb node accepts a hypothetical block as valid, it is mineable.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:04 asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
asciilifeform: i thought the 'lock' bullshit required fork ?
mircea_popescu: you're a one track mind the likes i've never seen. "gotta clean"
asciilifeform: in exactly the same style as everywhere else in drepperland
asciilifeform: it does, in the sense that mit et al could handily sink the 'etc' by exploiting the vulns which they, themselves, created
asciilifeform: (if this, they will eventually be candidates for anal reeducation, just as we would have been sans trb)
mircea_popescu: they'll just merge-develop.
asciilifeform: or are the 'etc' folk stuck using last month's client forever.
mircea_popescu: used to be known as "i'll break your arms off and beat you to shit with them", back in the day.
mircea_popescu: "i'll pay your son to rape your wife with money taken from your house" is the byline of the revolution.
mircea_popescu: i call this... the obamacare.
mircea_popescu: but - they spent all this time and effort, to protect something... that they just lost control of.
mircea_popescu: but the race is on, and somehow they will have to pay largesse to the mob. whence from ? we'll see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "sent back to legitimate owners" in the sense of maybe.
asciilifeform: (are they simply out of circulation? or usable somewhere)
mircea_popescu: never in modern history has anyone made the lizzards eat their own vomit to the degree of splendour.
asciilifeform: i have not been keeping up with the details: where did the 'eth' fork people move the dao coins to ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the eth "rednecks" are "acting against their own interest". as per usg verbiage now current.
mircea_popescu: so ? usg.mit spent close to 100mn to prop up eth for the past month ; now they're in the position where "the bad hacker" has a shitton of eth-c to give to "the people" to vote for him. they will, what's more, as per the usg system THEY ARE RIGHT TO. it is the "correct" modern-democracy socialist thing to do.
asciilifeform: and opts to buy the 100 cars, which, for all of their problems, cannot disappear silently in the middle of the night because a button were pressed in ftmeade
a111: Logged on 2016-07-23 16:07 mircea_popescu: oh, right, there's also a whole pile of claims re insider trading, manipulation etc over the "price" of "ethereum" at kraken and poloniex.
asciilifeform: various supposed 'revolutionaries' keep their fiatola, either in hefty physical bags which then feature in mexican confiscation porn,
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510414 << thinking about this, there are many moar folx who 'ought to be bitcoining but are - as far as anyone can tell - not'
asciilifeform: 'Kraken opens classic ether (ETC) markets and credits ETC to accounts'
mircea_popescu: well yes singular. globalization amirite ? all lies merge if they get large enough.
mircea_popescu: so much so they actually welcome rape as salvation.\