asciilifeform: i've never set foot there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well not everyone lives in the mordor swamps.
mircea_popescu: (short version : lawyer lobby added law on books that allows them to sue anything that doesn't have a warning label on ; there's 0 enforcement from anyone but the lawyer mafia ; and for that matter no penalty for mislabeling anything ; consequently all of california is today a huge sticker reading "this item is known to the state of california to cause cancer")
mircea_popescu: read up on that crazy shit sometime, it's epitomical for the current us.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524497 <<< lol in similar what the fucks, anyone know about the lulz of california's "proposition 65" ?
asciilifeform: because the scene sounds familiar.
mircea_popescu: in and of itself, there's nothing dishonest about any code. now imagine dude who keeps putting up this pretense and keeps aluding to his skillz and hunk... then in bedroom he takes slippers off to reveal dildo ductaped on.
asciilifeform: there is nothing dishonest about dildo tho.
asciilifeform: going by the reaction.
asciilifeform: 'what if the wire frays and rng is feeding 000000...'
asciilifeform: the fundamental psychiatric reason why folks like whitening, is, i suspect, a demon that wakes them up at night:
asciilifeform: i.e. the only way that does not introduce a linkage between bit n and n+1.
asciilifeform: straight waltzing is the only correct way
asciilifeform: you waltz over the buffer.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 << wai, wai the waitening, mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: liveth among you the hero who will get this fella to visit ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://threatpost.com/gpg-patches-18-year-old-libgcrypt-rng-bug/119984 << the hannobockization is ready!!!1111
asciilifeform: the remnants of 'western prosperity' are made of precisely these chumpatrons, the items which are wholly worthless but continue to be sold as the genuine article, and ONLY A TERRORIST would try to distinguish.
asciilifeform: tastes great with, e.g., airplanes that won't take off, pension funds that consist of /dev/null, and the rest of the rot.
asciilifeform: the pyrex switcheroo was enabled by the fact of the two glasses being visually indistinguishable.
asciilifeform: bait and switch is a form of fraud, regardless of how strong a legal 'roof' the fraudster has.
asciilifeform: likewise, fraudulent 2000s american 'pyrex' (non-borosilicate! all that's left is the name) can cost you a great sum in hospital bill.
asciilifeform: and whether you're a candidate for gasenwagen
thestringpuller: PeterL: I asked a friend who blows glass for a living, and he said nowadays it's more expensive to blow science-ware by hand than to get the mass produced stuff...
thestringpuller: fires don't always have to burn down the forest
asciilifeform: 'if at first you don't succeed, maybe mineclearing is not the career for you...'
asciilifeform: and without magic init from which, the thing won't boot, or will wedge itself deliberately half an hour post-warmup (in intel's case.)
asciilifeform: it's 'what you don't know', and 'what you know that isn't so', that is the real headache.
asciilifeform: this is not a bad time to add the detail that DOCUMENTED 'fritzchips' aren't even half the problem.
asciilifeform: lobbes: http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/52740_16h_Models_30h-3Fh_BKDG.pdf << section 2.14 is afaik the ONLY public doc on amd's fritzchip
a111: Logged on 2015-10-27 15:25 asciilifeform: there is literally 1 paragraph devoted to amd:
lobbes: asciilifeform: I've been searching logz for thread regarding modern AMD cpu being almost as subverted as Intel's. you wouldn't happen to have good reading on the subject handy, would you?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 16:30 asciilifeform: fwiw my grandfather spent a good chunk of his life on hydraulic analogue computerz.
mircea_popescu: the human body sure as fuck doesn't.
asciilifeform: don't underestimate analogue comp, when the job is to solve particular ODE, or the like
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suddenly puts the japanese "music afficionados" in their proper context. cargo cult of something from the 40s.
asciilifeform: ~the~ analogue 'killer app' of its time.
asciilifeform: analogue comp is serious bizniss: americans shared, e.g., nuke, with britain, but never the norden bomb-sight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently this wasn't as nutty as it seems - for some reason driving the plotter was a lot cheaper than actually having the machine compute the integral. i dun recall the specificx.
asciilifeform: for the analogue comp.
asciilifeform: the old days - can come back.
asciilifeform: PeterL: cheap - and, more importantly - borosilicate (a pain to rework) glassware - mostly killed 'blow yer own' in the '50s
mircea_popescu: PeterL oh i saw the cut-out thing done!
asciilifeform: ain't much 3d in computer, thestringpuller
PeterL: Dr. Dye was fond of blowing his own glassware, but was a lingering throwback of the previous generation, where they would calculate integrals by weighing the cut-out piece of graph paper (cause no computers yet)
mircea_popescu dreams of a time perhaps not so distant in the future where "3d printers" will create chemlab equipment out of magnetic lines.
asciilifeform: and the vessels.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller et al: it is a 1940s volume, but still a classic, because it is from the tail end of the era when folks had to make ~everything with their own two hands.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-09 22:16 ascii_field: j. strong's 'methods of experimental physics' covers the basics; the whole b00k is somewhere w4r3z3d in the logz.
PeterL: As undergraduate, I worked under one of the co-inventors, Dye
asciilifeform: to avoid being disassembled for parts by the first soured patient
asciilifeform: i.e. you gotta be a saudi prince or the like
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: as i understand it, harem in usgdom consumes an entire fuel rod of mircea_popescu per week, or so.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's very simple : if the girl has anything to offer, the "disney princess" act is actually holding her back, and she'll drop it as soon as it's safe ; if she doesn't have anything to offer - ain't no one got time for that.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you probably would have better luck deprogramming the disney princesses. I haven't seen it personally done tho.
asciilifeform: and those were the dayz.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524360 << iirc dude's writing up his epic antarctica adventure, one or two pieces are out, but there's more to come i think. or maybe he's just ranting on twitter full time heh
PeterL: yeah, in college I compromised a couple vacuum manifolds by forgetting to add a stirbar to the flask before opening to the vacuum line
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aaaaa... /me broke a half inch thick ceramic piece through pouring purified molten sulphur in there. TO CRYSTALIZE!
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: either visit a local school and take the ochem, or work through the usual practical exercises before you engulf self and others in a fireball from, e.g., 'bumping' (look it up) boiled solvent under vacuum
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the other one almost ended up in scenario where a girl burned down his condo, when she went unstable cause "My needs aren't being met".
thestringpuller: PeterL: yea i have a few videos where they use a vacuum pump and change the pressure (measured at the condensor)
thestringpuller: He told me, "American parents did not raise their daughters to be women. But raised them to be disney princesses."
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: actual 'inpatient' harem ?
thestringpuller: coincedentally everyone who tried fail. one of my buddies got up to 4 women. then one of them started complaining about "life problems". he tried to shut it down like, "Either get to steppin or shut the fuck up." Did not go over well.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: harem's are much harder to manage in USG. The pets are higher maintenance.
PeterL: thestringpuller: things like that, it might work better to do vacuum distilation with some dry ice or liquid nitrogen, so the heat does not decompose things?
PeterL: thestringpuller what ya wana know? you heat stuff and it boils fractionally
mircea_popescu: the only worse thing than argentine deserts is usian hermeneutics.
mircea_popescu has had to train wait staff everywhere he goes to "sin dolce de leche" and also ended up qualifying-in-the-workplace harem pastry chefs, because good god.
mircea_popescu: es. You see a thick layer of dark brown jam-like material and think, this couldn't possibly be caramel, there's just too much of it. And so worldliness leads you to great giant bites and then disaster." << this is very much on point.
mircea_popescu: y case, and the containers go up to a liter in size. Even the churros are stuffed with it - the churros, Montresor! For anyone who has had pastries in Europe, the added horror is that dulce de leche is identical in color, texture and consistency to a number of much less sweet, tasty fillings, like the earthy chestnut material the French call crème de marrons, or the tart kind of plum butter popular in Eastern European bakeri
mircea_popescu: "Dulce de leche is a culinary cry for help. It says "save us, we are baffled and alone in the kitchen, we don't know what to do for dessert and we're going to boil condensed milk and sugar together until help arrives". This cloying dessert tar is so impossibly sweet that you wish you were ten years old again, just so you could actually enjoy it. It is everywhere. There is a special dulce de leche shelf in the supermarket dair
mircea_popescu: feel free to pen an explanation of why the republic's v providently defends against problems the idiots just now discovered.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck nonsense is this.
mircea_popescu: shinohai fucking reddit. apparently they not only not heard of V, but their ears are simply shaped in such a way they CANT hear of v.
mircea_popescu: i know cuz i put it there.
shinohai: https://m.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4y8m76/0130_binary_safety_warning_bitcoinorg/d6mao05 " Option 2 would be to skip creating the WoT, get the key, and verify its full fingerprint in several places, from several computers, at least once using Tor."
mircea_popescu: it';s in the logs!
asciilifeform: le, you begin to notice that all the essays are an elaborate set of mirrors set up to reflect different facets of the author, in a big distributed act of participatory narcissism.'
asciilifeform: y begin to understand that a hacker is someone who resembles Eric Raymond. Dave Winer has recently and mercifully moved his essays off to audio, but you can still hear him snorfling cashew nuts and talking at length about what it means to be a blogger[7] . These essays and this writing style are tempting to people outside the subculture at hand because of their engaging personal tone and idiosyncratic, insider's view. But after a whi
asciilifeform: 'In Paul Graham's world, as soon as oil paint was invented, painting techniques made a discontinuous jump from the fifteenth to the twentienth century, fortuitously allowing Renaissance painters to paint a lot like Paul Graham. ... I blame Eric Raymond and to a lesser extent Dave Winer for bringing this kind of schlock writing onto the Internet. Raymond is the original perpetrator of the "what is a hacker?" essay, in which you quickl
mircea_popescu: "we are finishing our penetration IN THE TERAIN!!!1"
mircea_popescu: aaactually the http://idlewords.com/2004/05/attacked_by_thugs.htm bit is both delishius and entirely reminds me of home.
mircea_popescu: the government has only itself to blame in all fucking contexts. either it's a government of the republic oppressing idiots, or else it has no excuse and no defense.
asciilifeform: ory wonders take on a second, clandestine life under advanced socialism. The local plumber who needed a new piston rod for his Fiat 126p certainly didn't mind if it happened to be machined out of elemental titanium to a tolerance of 0.05 microns, and the next time a pipe froze you could count on him to show up bright and early. In this context of creative craftsmanship and mutual aid the government had only itself to blame when illeg
asciilifeform: 'One reason you don't want to cross Eastern Bloc scientists is that they are by necessity handy people. Operating in a barter economy, even the most unworldly theoretician learns certain marketable skills. Besides the inevitable need to jury-rig spare parts for their own experiments, scientists have to horse trade for basic conveniences like anyone else. And so it was not uncommon to see ultraprecision machine tools and other laborat
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo send the man a congratulatory email ? since it turns out you linked him first.
asciilifeform: a wide audience. We couldn't use a weather balloon, however, since it would be easy to check where it had come from. ...'
asciilifeform: hematician Leon Jeśmanowicz, was an electronics engineer and an ardent glider pilot. He determined that even a weak radio transmitter in an airplane flying at great height could be heard perfectly well over a significant area. That was an idea. Jerzy Wieczorek, a physicist (later president of Toruń) pointed out that we could attach the transmitter to a balloon. It would make the transmitter harder to find while enabling us to reach
asciilifeform: 'As physicists, radioastronomers, and electronics engineers, we were all struck by the possibility of doing independent broadcasts, if nothing else because that was our profession. My colleagues took part in broadcasts in Warsaw and other cities. Rooftop transmitters had low range. And they were easy for the security services to locate. We had to think of something else. Our colleague Andrzej Jeśmanowicz, son of the noted Toruń mat
mircea_popescu: buncha losers, these days.
mircea_popescu: thing is, we had the nod thing back in romania ; when i visited the eastern empire as a tyke, native chicks that spoke no language i spoke nevertheless knew how it works just fine.
mircea_popescu: "Men ask women to dance by trying to make eye contact and nodding towards the dance floor in a gesture called the cabeceo. In theory this is a discreet way for men to save face in the event of a refusal; in practice it means men cross the darkened room, stand three steps in front of their intended partner, and wag their head gravely until she either gets up to dance or tells them to go away." <<< bwahahaha. fucking idiots. th
mircea_popescu: "People dance tango at a structured event called a milonga (the word can also apply to the dance hall itself, or to a two-beat older form of tango music), the only social setting in Argentina where you must fetch your own drinks and empanadas at a bar rather than waiting for table service." <<< ahaha fucking bs. as erryone can attest, you get table service.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone recall the video for "amazing" ? with all teh advanced technologies!!!
mircea_popescu: no i know. i was talking to the posterior tits.
mircea_popescu: the only thing "i want more than 4096" says is "my crypto is broken". so fix it, don't make the broken longer.
mircea_popescu: fancy the odds.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i had no fucking idea russian has palindromes also.
mircea_popescu: do the math on what 4096 means.
asciilifeform: PeterL: for the rng spill test
asciilifeform: 'RSA keysizes must be in the range 1024-4096' << ?!!!!
mircea_popescu: trinque ok, but naming is one thing. if the us presidential inauguration consisted of smoking pipe and dancing around in bear costumes, it'd be similar to these fuckers.
trinque: I'm sure they appreciate it
mircea_popescu: in other news, girl now knows how to make pickled ginger. fucking hell it's nice to be delivered of the benzoate ladden supermarket stuff.
trinque: usa killed off however many tribes, then named states, cities, damned everything after them
mircea_popescu: fucking epic case of "i came for the waters" "but this is the desert" "i was misinformed"
mircea_popescu: take that, white supremacists everywhere : all white argentina is as bad as an all-fungus erection. i came here for the all-black argentina and didn't even know it at the time ;/
mircea_popescu: in any case : if you're going to genocide an entire fucking skin tone, do me the general courtesy and don't turn around dressed in a plush costume of their dance.
mircea_popescu: today there's maybe fifty black dudes in all 10mn of buenos aires, and they came in the past decade from spanish speaking ex african colonies.
mircea_popescu: ng new york italians cca 1880 that they're best fighters and sending them into the ozarks.)
mircea_popescu: oh btw, re tango : it is a living testament to the ignorant, molasses-thick hypocrisy of these people that they regard tango as "their national heritage", when tango was invented and developed by BLACK DUDES. who then got a little bit of genocide, deliverately (argentina declared war with peru, told black people they make better fighters, sent them to fight, got them exterminated by the mountain folk. this is not unlike telli
trinque: fucker, texas gets rolling early, gets jacked on stimulants and has half the world drilled for oil by lunch
mircea_popescu: trinque the stupid shit stupid people come up with is squarely not even, up until you get to hang out with them
trinque: hoping no customers will interrupt their nap
mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK locks a shop door.
mircea_popescu: oft the scene plays out as the guy frantically runs to unlock the door just as mp is jew-waving him and turning.
mircea_popescu: though the effects are not : mp routinely refuses to trade with local idiots who lock their shops.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "San Telmo is a tango-rich environment and there are many studios advertising instruction, but this one seemed the most accessible for someone with social anxiety. There were no buzzers to ring, stairs to climb, or windowless doors to knock on." << the difference of style is palpable.
Framedragger: of the argentinian-flavoured posts of his, this one is apparently well-regarded (haven't read yet) http://idlewords.com/2006/04/argentina_on_two_steaks_a_day.htm
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hmm maybe but i don't think so - i think he lived / spent some time there in the past
mircea_popescu: that my freedom requires the ability to send paul graham to his room without supper does not show that same freedom requires my ability to send Maciej Cegłowski. hes doing fine
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's altogether unclear how much political control over others is required for individual freedom. certainly political control OVER IDIOTS, which includes small children, as well as all the adults with the mind of a small child.
trinque: not much sad about it; that one person might be free if he achieves it does not mean all are capable of this. further, individual freedom requires having political control of others.
Framedragger: related to install rage: https://circleci.com/blog/its-the-future/
mircea_popescu: there's certainly worse.
mircea_popescu: (why 0x010001 ? yes, it's a magic number. but it has magic reasons : 1) it is prime ; 2) it is the fastest multiplication on a 64 bit machine, because it's just a concatenation ; 3) could make it even longer by the same process, but that has a significant impact on speed with no visible security benefit. so it's magic for a god damned reason.)
trinque: Framedragger: among other reasons anarchism is not a thing, this.
mircea_popescu: LET ALONE people with pretensions as to a life of the mind.
mircea_popescu: trinque that'd be factual. but while the process is excusable in toddlers and sexually undiferentiated children, it is unacceptable in menstruating women / bois over 16 or so.
mircea_popescu: all these bullshit knobs attached to nothing / nothing useful / nothing important, while the ACTUAL important parts aren't exposed.
trinque: makes me suspect that reflecting upon one's actions evolved much later than this mindless imitation of what didn't kill some other guy *today*, and that most walkers entirely lack the former.
trinque: scads of them
trinque: buddy of mine had a twatter somewhere listing the various open sores curl-to-sudos
PeterL: Framedragger you forgot to put sudo at the beginning
mircea_popescu: bitches should be beaten with eulora compile process until their mucosa bleed cow's milk.
mircea_popescu: for the desperate hearts
mircea_popescu: it's amazing... when in the blink of an eye
mircea_popescu: there's a pile of incidental nonsense (such as min length for name but not password hurr ; such as 2.0.30 current doesn't even fucking compile, such as etc) that shouldn't disappear under "oh, mpi"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well he got a little excited. but the original observation was pretty scary, which is what got every hand on deck following along (me, mod6 etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sha512 and cut to be defined by user ; with the caveat that if they don't produce a min of 258 bytes / 257 258 bytes user is taking life in his own hands. we provide defaults (keccak , "take first nth bytes" respectrively). key size NOT to be defined by user ; tmsr-rsa keys are al 515 bytes long.
Framedragger: (i'll go thru them myself, interesting stuff..)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
Framedragger: ..good work on the gpg shitshow, people.
mircea_popescu has updated the update.
mats: 'Finally caught, two decades later, he characteristically is neither willing to admit, nor dessist from the practice.' << i think you mean desist
mircea_popescu: oh i c. so basically, the seed is put into "get next prime" and the difference is liable to be ~the last 3-4 hexdigits
mircea_popescu: mine is actually rather different than his
asciilifeform: so there's that.
asciilifeform: on the upside, we go to bed without having learned that all of the keyz are trivially poppable.
mircea_popescu: yeah the update may get lopped off.
asciilifeform: there is a cleaner, still, unpublished ver.
mircea_popescu: so when feeding the prime generator, it doesn't just feed ap ointer, but unwraps the thing through mpi-something
asciilifeform: at any rate, it is now possible to do the thing i ACTUALLY SET OUT to do
mircea_popescu: that gpg reads the correct number
asciilifeform: the pgpdump -i output ?
asciilifeform: pgpdump -i displays the actual int.
asciilifeform: they have a WHOLLY DIFFERENT format.
mircea_popescu: ok. and this does not actually correspond to the numeric format as used by gpg's bignum because mpi reasons.
asciilifeform: and so it allocates chunks on the heap
asciilifeform: which transforms to an actual sequence of meaningful bits of the bignum via a gnarly process.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not stack. the raw mpi turd.
mircea_popescu: so basically, log_hexdump just reads off the stack, and it mostly reads garbage ?
asciilifeform: ^ the corrected patch.
asciilifeform: mpidump shows the thing you end up seeing in pgpdump -i.
asciilifeform: and padding at the end of each chunk.
mircea_popescu: log_hexdump("\n\nFurther lulz:",prime,nbits/8); log_hexdump("\nYielding:",ptest,nbits/8); << relevant lines.
asciilifeform: ( aaaaaanyway my ORIGINAL aim when i wrote the tester, was to look at what happens at 4096 and above. which i haven't even done yet ..! )
mircea_popescu: they're set.
asciilifeform: the dumped string is RAW MPI CRAPOLA
asciilifeform: p1,q1, p2,q2 rather
asciilifeform: the output of 'YieldPrime', per my model, ought to end up in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524021
mircea_popescu: open source means the code is readable!
mircea_popescu put them through a binarytron
mircea_popescu: no, the p and q from http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ababdff0-7902-42b8-9d39-732e1a701116/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: i dunno but the p an q in your example share nothing useful.
asciilifeform: now for the $64k question:
asciilifeform: which is why i post the actual in and out, instead of contents of my head.
mircea_popescu: the lulz.
mircea_popescu: "to make sure safety is met, we ductape some met to the safety"
mircea_popescu: ah, that explains the weird leading.
asciilifeform: AAAAAND this is where we dump the buffer.
asciilifeform: doing that for RSA, to make sure that the modulus does have
asciilifeform: which then gets, for good shitgnomatic measure,
mod6: oh, i did the same. "asdf" iirc.
mircea_popescu: atm i can't takle the aggravation of bulding anything.
mircea_popescu: Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what were you cutting these up with again ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9a20f5a7-7afd-4a74-ad78-b8217288c5e6/?raw=true << the two just generated keys.
mircea_popescu: this is weird... so this thing when told to dump priv key dumps THE SAME BLOCK irrespective of which user is indicated.
asciilifeform: if we know B - k shared topmost bits, then the work required to break in comparison with work W, supposing we knew B bits, is at most W*(2^k).
asciilifeform: sarkar et al promises (the recipe is quite gnarly) ANY substring
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trivial for me to dump these i just generated, let's see
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/55bf0b65-8784-49f0-895b-e3eb0793afc7/?raw=true << further 1.4. the ff's went away, 0s came in...
mircea_popescu: so then what'd be surprising or wut ?
asciilifeform: nothing odd, of course, to the naked aye.
asciilifeform: these are moduli
mircea_popescu: you mean, they start with same 4 bits ?
asciilifeform: generated one after another while process ran.
mircea_popescu: to the lulz mine ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : when generating a new key, name NEEDS to be at least 5 chars long. password however - can be 4.
mircea_popescu: and look at all the bonus zero fields
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform FF FF still there.
mircea_popescu: im guessing phuctor is getting some new shit stuck on either side.
asciilifeform: and this is not a hard bound, either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you look at the 4kb thing i published : there's no actual contiguity. just fields of double FFs
asciilifeform: (anywhere in the mod pair)
mircea_popescu: let them figure out how to release software first.
mircea_popescu: nope, export ld path dun do it either.
asciilifeform: boolcrap1: consider reading the channel log
mircea_popescu: dude the sheer insanity...
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this.
mod6: mircea_popescu: so, instead of doing all the things with --prefix, i just started straight out building all the deps and installing them.