boolcrap: didn't you get the memo
boolcrap: im here to regurgitate the republican talking points
mircea_popescu: the talking points memo!
boolcrap: maybe feminism is running rampant because there are no more men in america
boolcrap: women are the best care takers around
boolcrap: cruz is the governor :)
mircea_popescu: i confess in my (perhaps maginal) experience, the whole "feminist" charade is mostly a (very transparent) defense for shy teen/early 20s chicks. more pretense than anything, and very strongly correlated with "i'm not sure what to do once clothes come off"
trinque: plenty of chicks in tx still that fuckin glow when they made something you like to eat
boolcrap: stan reads the most
boolcrap: i read the chat long when i want to feel like an idoit
boolcrap: other countries
boolcrap: maybe its all the opression thats going on
mircea_popescu: even better then.
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other homemade family fun, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshq0zV0dZ1qlwtdwo1_1280.jpg
boolcrap: give the wife a break
boolcrap: but its nice to go out to eat every now and then
boolcrap: well there is one italian place
boolcrap: theres not a god dam place i can eat out
mircea_popescu: anyway, they have the same fruits they have everywhere. papaya and apples and whatever the hell. cherries at two bucks a pound.
boolcrap: stuff they dont have in america
mircea_popescu: so then why'd he tell it to you ?
asciilifeform: boolcrap: you can go from one end of mircea_popesculandia to another by cab for a few bux.
mircea_popescu: sort-of. they think so, but meh. i've not yet seen frost.
boolcrap: how do you get all the chicks, you just drive around in your beamer?
mircea_popescu: you know how it goes, if you're the kind to miss out on it you'd have missed out on it if you went to college just as well.
mircea_popescu: the one giant frat party gangbang was pre and immediately after cellphones.
mircea_popescu: the idea college kids do it is so fucking 1980s
trinque: the chick I mean!
trinque: prolly saw all that educational material on the superior black seed or w/e
boolcrap: maybe the dentist gave her too much
asciilifeform: though also 'drive there and wait to be road mined'
boolcrap: they were dressed in hitler gear?
boolcrap: the nazis were mexican?
boolcrap: i often wondered if my grandfather would have liked to play wolfenstien
asciilifeform: also there was nazi party headquarter on 3rd floor.
asciilifeform: also i had a dream where i visited ye olde rupturefarm and all you lot were long gone and there were mexicans instead...
boolcrap: i bet you never thought you would see the day
boolcrap: i really have it i even plugged in the disk it was on
asciilifeform: boolcrap: make another, will ya
boolcrap: that explains why its gone, its in the groundhogs belly
boolcrap: it has been lost, along with the mans pride in america
mircea_popescu: oh and in other "female ejaculation is real" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8nwexGWWo1qc61zuo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: because nothing quite says prestigious luxury like a full option package where the leotard anti-matches the car paint.
mircea_popescu: and in other excessive opulence news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loa4f0dV5g1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
trinque: pow, right in the supremacy!
mircea_popescu: and in other white pride worldwide news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvr0puOihe1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
mod6: thanks for all the help, much appreciated. :]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-the-negro-mate/ << Trilema - Introducing the Negro Mate
mircea_popescu: and in other monkey news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwy2nsFP5W1r7efkjo1_500.gif
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/once-darling-theranos-takes-a-beating-on-zika-test/ << Qntra - Once Darling Theranos Takes A Beating On Zika Test
mircea_popescu: anyway, not like the problem isn't both well understood and well solved.
asciilifeform: and the disk cost thing is one leg of what old mircea_popescu article called, iirc, 'responsibility collapse triangle'
BingoBoingo: apparently whatever derp developed >bitaps.com chose the wrong PR strategy and their block explorer et al are now instaspam'd
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just shop for lumber and stone slabs. Teach the tot carpentry.
asciilifeform: long before any other 'too manies'.
asciilifeform: the ~actual~ terminal instability in the thing is that the folks who eat the cost of disk (nodes) are not the folks who get tx fees (miners).
asciilifeform: and tomorrow there will be 10,000,001. what of this.
asciilifeform: so today there's what, 10,001 derps per minute who 'just want to' but cannot, and aren't worth even a bullet.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu colour me thick, but i still dun get why 'oh noez there'll be 2100000000000000 potentially-movable satoshis.' everybody still gets to sit down in 1MB block. so tx-ing will be eventually like what launching satellite to orbit is today - had better be worth the cost. but will still work quite the same.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if only your father had died in kaunas parachuting like he was supposed to, you'd be free of such burdens. alas.
asciilifeform: re suffer, aha, i've been reading motherfucking microshit docs all day.
mircea_popescu: no, today has been the day of giving nice fellows a hard time, let him suffer.
asciilifeform: poor ben_vulpes , iirc he never even had time to run the rng i gave him during c3
pete_dushenski doesn't want to appear ~too~ useful, lest ben_vulpes become overly attracted to this end of the continuum
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/ << lol i even levitan'd it
mircea_popescu: and the cavallier "oh, we'll just introduce subdivisions" nonsense pushed by the prb folk utterly fails to consider the implications
mircea_popescu: most txn will be satoshi-sized then.
mircea_popescu: consider for a second here : the year is i nthe future, the world is numerous planets, a single satoshi is worth trillions in today's money. literally, enough to buy a larger town.
asciilifeform: for the reason stated earlier.
mircea_popescu is too lazy to dig up the trilema piece holding exact figure (no, it's not this, a little lower)
mircea_popescu: was part of a larger discussion cca 2015ish of the problem of unboundness in bitcoin. even as it stands currently - you can end up with 2100000000000000 discrete items to keep track of ? really ?
asciilifeform: ah no, not this. just 'when you discover an addr, which is not easy to do, it comes with 1 coin. which you can then send by ....'
asciilifeform: all i recall is that it had discrete (nondivisible!) coins, 1 per addr, and mined strictly by 'vanitying' the addrs into existence.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this xerocopy argument, while at first convincing, readily recurses into a restatement of the children argument above ; but it is flawed because, as granma wittily observed, "cartile nu cer demincare" ; ie books need not be fed.
asciilifeform: i prefer not to add cheap xerocopies of xerocopies to the world, enough of these as it is.
asciilifeform: eh it is different when you do things and then dream article about them, vs when you dream things and then dream article.
mircea_popescu: i count self as perhaps middling student of recursion, as a soon to be 40yo. there's a lot to it, what do you want from me.
asciilifeform does regularly read trilema in dreams, and wakes up and futilely searches for 'the one where he used piss as a lasing medium...' etc)
mircea_popescu: THERE IS A LOT OF IT
asciilifeform: lel this is the man who drew fractals by hand
mircea_popescu: also there's a major problem with abstract criteria. i for instance don't grasp recursion.
asciilifeform: the degree of control, so small as to rightfully count as 'homeopathic.'
mircea_popescu: but you do have more control over the matter than over entropy source.
asciilifeform: modern americans seem to have caught up with the reverse.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, the reverse is impossible : black people ever so often end up with entirely white kid, because slavery.)
mircea_popescu: simple criterion : you can not guarantee you will never get the number 7. you can guarantee you will not have mulatto kid.
asciilifeform: closer to the, e.g., state of maryland powerless ball, sure.
asciilifeform: 'hey come and play powerball with me, i haven't won yet but TOGETHER YES WE CAN!1111'
mircea_popescu: actually matching the japanese gender split of literary production and japanese political situation over time is bound to be shockingly instructive.
mircea_popescu: and who's gonna write the poems ? women only ? literature by females results in the collapse of the empire.
pete_dushenski: have two kids ? god help the spoiled brats
pete_dushenski: that'd be the point i imagine
mircea_popescu: the model creates a very bloodthirsty litter.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: granted, but sultan had whatever 200 pups, a couple were fit for higher life, so why not mp, sultan of tmsr ? too many castles needed to house them ?
mircea_popescu: if we are to learn anything from the history of the 2nd millennium, is that marrying performance and lineage is suicidal. so fucking costly a stupidity, in fact, as to sink monarchy, ie, the most perfect form of social organisation possible.
asciilifeform: al 'uncle al' schwartz's father, for instance, was - iirc - a tailor, who never read a book cover to cover in his entire life.
mircea_popescu: problem is biology has no intention of defending you. reversal to the mean is the controlling phenomenon there.
pete_dushenski sees that he's going to be defending biology now, it's so sure it's the wisest against two such opponents
mircea_popescu: i mean, i see the point to a certain degree, the street in practice DOES select, for the worst. but i think he just meant "crapshot" rather than proper, street scum.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, but nor is fleisch und blut 'random scum off the street'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it does not work for most women ; and i never tried nor would i be bothered to try on children.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc he doesn't lift random scum off the street to work on.
mircea_popescu: i have no such confidence. some girls are extremely good at shaping themselves into an extremely sharp tool in the right sort of context ; and the result is by very far much sharper than anything ever produced naturally, or through alternative means.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you have confidence in your ability to shape slavegurl into whatever form you please, then why not chitlin ? surely starting earlier has its advantages
asciilifeform: rather than 'choose parents carefully'
mircea_popescu: ironically, from this perspective the decision to drive to arizona to play lottery is even judicious. better odds than trying to play the pool party, at any rate.
asciilifeform: same fortune as in powerball, only diff is that the respective tickets were bought by joe and moe's parents
mircea_popescu: fortune is by definition random when playing the powerball : you'll get half your money on average.
asciilifeform: where's the 'better' though ?
mircea_popescu: it IS unfair, and it is also deeply antiequalitarian that the better kid of their year get free jet engine ; while the crummier kids get ankle weights.
mircea_popescu: and yes the world is ~so~ cruel : the better have it easier, and the crappier have it harder. because the world is not interested, to any degree, in survival of the everyone.
mircea_popescu: but once is not enough : once in the pool, they blindfold him, and then the one twu wuv girl lures him over by whispering "polo" long after he's stoped saying "marco", which, again, is the point.
mircea_popescu: some models who in practice hang out with them (this almost never happens, even in california) lure/force him into a pool. it's not exactly ~against~ his wishes ; it's irrespective of them, which is the point - males, esp young, esp virgin, are very fucking shy, and i dunno that this even exists, act of male devirgination which is not out and out "rape" by the female. certainly not at a sane age for it (such as 15).
mircea_popescu: btw, since i mentioned http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:36/to:36#36 : it is directly evident why it's such a big deal for elliot kid. leaving aside all the insane preposterous nonsense worthy of a tucker max / wolf of wallstreet / suicide kings production : there's one sex scene, in which this kid (totally whitebread, goes to school and does his homework 15yo with no tattoos) is kidnapped by a bunch of derps, and then
mircea_popescu: such goldmine. "baby, just the tip!" applied to enthusiasms etc.
asciilifeform: 'As you might have noticed, I'm surrounded by guys, all of whom are enthusiastic about new technologies. They have managed to successfully transfer their excitement to me and have contaminated me with the same urge to discover the numerous possibilities that the crypto world has to offer.' << also great.
asciilifeform: was my thought. but, seeing the rest - probably as real as it gets.
asciilifeform: https://youtu.be/T9SeOrGni9s?t=31m00s << specifically the fictionalized zherzhinsky pictured here.
mircea_popescu: to quote, "oh no, i wouldn't do THAT. *pause* there MAY have been some instances... in THE PAST! but that's all ancient history now."
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu walking up to seekrit skvirrel and giving 'the stare', like felix dzerzhinsky supposedly did
mircea_popescu: well, especially when i take my head off, place it on the table, and feed it icecream on the shorter path
trinque: mircea_popescu │ you know, "omg i'm not looking looking" thing << afraid to look directly into the trilema, eh?
mircea_popescu: well actually maybe you don't know, wtf do i know. but anyway, there's a very peculiar thing people/kids do when the inconceivable happens ; like joe di maggio walks into dunkin donuts
mircea_popescu: everybody reads trilema, including the local tards. i can spot them, too, i go to a cafe or w/e, there's this dude in a corner being all weird in the specific manner.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel, apparently ol' kako knows some of these folks, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2016#1454709
shinohai: Is his life just one purposeless walk to? Or is there a plan?
BingoBoingo: He calls them "and golf"
asciilifeform: 'To me, coding languages are aesthetic works. I am fond of protocols. My free time consists of purposeless walks and golf.' -- Tjasa Tolj. MARKETING ASSISTANT
shinohai: `cutting-edge security` not seen in any other game of hot potato EVAH!
asciilifeform: 'Cutting edge security. No need to deal with complicated crypto-wallets or be afraid of losing your assets forever because you can’t find your private keys. We employ state-of-the-art security technology for you, with the storage of fiat and digital assets embedded into an Ethereum contract!'
asciilifeform: https://ico.iconomi.net << hot! nyooo! ethertronic chumpatron: 'ICONOMI provides an opportunity for investors looking for high profits, not possible in the old economy. With newly developed financial instruments, ICONOMI will drive new investors and fresh capital into decentralised economy.'
shinohai goes back and treads Trilema article on Rabbi teaching torah to the ewe.
mircea_popescu: it's just... kinda easy to forget just how many layers there are in "sexually unattractive" in practice.
shinohai: Maybe forum *is* the world heh?
shinohai: And the inevitable "imma be rich" Filipinos that answer.
Framedragger: shinohai: "you will have to go into the IRC channel #eulora on Freenode - use https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema" << did you mean https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/eulora ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: if you're on windows, there's gpg2me
shinohai: The ImHash guy had the most atrocious spelling and grammar of any potential recruit I've met thus far.
mircea_popescu: heya. the robespierre guy ?
shinohai: gm mircea_popescu yes it seems there were 2 new Eulora ppl contacted me on bitcointalk overnight, but saw one made it here in logs.
mircea_popescu: gured out what works and what doesn't in lo all these many years, he never is figuring it out."
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:95/to:95#95 << i'll leave you with the observation that of the two people i named to chair the bitcoin foundation years ago, one's been doing a lot of work and the other's been doing a lot of hurr. on the continuum between mod6 and pete_d you're ever sliding towards the end opposite to what i'd imagine you're aiming for, and at some point it'll become a matter of, "well, if he hasn't fi
mircea_popescu: yes. the usg.web war on the url for the past decades has been nothing short of indicative. imbeciles are so butthurt about individual control, they can't fucking stand urls. gotta hide them! gotta destroy functionality! god fucking forbid the user is at some point in control of anything!
Framedragger: (i suppose it's better than the new web nonsense where "awesome devbro javascript" retains some info that is not part of the actual url, so you can't change shit and depend on the shitty js interface for navigating around..)
mircea_popescu: more generally Framedragger , nevermind the swamp of little shepainting bullshit, little buttons or whatever. first get the line reading bot going ; and the search.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, yeah, you're supposed to click around, otherwise it surely is too tedious!
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: regarding the latter point, i'm not sure about the anchor pointing to the last line in the range. i considered it, but if i give someone a link to a chunk of lines, makes sense for them to start reading from the top, no? however, best is probably to have small jump buttons/links to be able to jump to beginning/end of range. <- so i'll do that.
mircea_popescu: " Even before the FBI identified new cyber attacks on two separate state election boards, the Department of Homeland Security began considering declaring the election a "critical infrastructure," giving it the same control over security it has over Wall Street and and the electric power grid." << consider the preposterousness embedded in here. really bitch, you have control over wallstreet ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:95/to:95#95 << i love that lone red rhombus best. he so perfectly typifies the insane idiocy of "venture capital" backed "entrepreneur" culture in silly cons valley.
mod6: <+hanbot> hey mod6 99994 test worked flawlessly for me tonight. also, my testbox seems healthy again, available for further whatevers. << hey! good deal, thanks for giving it a shot :]
BingoBoingo: Twenty percent of the respondents declined to pick either of the two leaders in the poll of 1,397 likely voters, which was concluded Aug .29. "
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 21:00 mircea_popescu: the major problem in poker isn't "fair dealing", it's debotting it. but i have a ready solution for this problem too, and im persuaded it's complete.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1516249 << surely there's more to it than "l2 only", right?
BingoBoingo: Anchor to Anchor: The Log Story
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: if you're really attached to the second-click-extend-highlight-range, consider updating the anchor in the url to use the bottom of the range
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: i would dearly like for the second click on a log timestamp to not populate the "from" query parameter (if that's even what that is in your system)
hanbot: hey mod6 99994 test worked flawlessly for me tonight. also, my testbox seems healthy again, available for further whatevers.
trinque: would be interesting to see a geoip map of these
mircea_popescu: he did say "After the first time"
asciilifeform: the up-side of rotorism is that you can build bitcoin for any cpu that your gcc knows about.
trinque: makefiles don't rebuild the buildroot step more than once, so a gentleman could emplace that just as with the deeds, after having built one
asciilifeform: it is the way it is because it was actually the only way to get a repeatable and musltronic binary built on a heathen box.
asciilifeform: incidentally (and i have nfi whether this is obvious to people) the buildroot portion of rotor, the gcc build, etc. will be quite unnecessary on a box that is running a properly musltronic build built thereby already.
mod6: see, now, we have two different scripts; one to build while pulling items from the inet, and one for offline builds; the makefiles will combine these two capabilities.
mod6: makefiles. i just tested my changes with the deeds in place. works.
asciilifeform: exactly the thing that was needed.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 23:24 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-August/000231.html
mircea_popescu: the ^ above is running a "fund management program". got a little confused.
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard << GNU Privacy Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.gnupg.org/ << The GNU Privacy Guard | https://help.github.com/articles/generating-a-new-gpg-key/ << Generating a new GPG key - User Documentation
mircea_popescu: jesus christ is it a steaming pile of shit (with bruce willis and sharon stone, incomprehensibly). but the screenplay reads like it was written by reddit.
asciilifeform: and this is, ftr, the most blown away in 1 shot to date.
mod6: oh, and with those turn of the century disks; after grinding them down with the sanding block -- they're like solid aluminum. so i cut them into tiny pieces with these:
mod6: i'm a bit conflicted; but it might still be some work until the makefiles are fully baked.
mod6: and I'm gonna put it out there shortly. but just got a long distance in a short a mount of time working on these makefiles today.
asciilifeform: but the relationship to physical facts is every bit as tenuous as in every other court process under the great inca.
asciilifeform: the accusation is more fantastic than usual, sure.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's pure happenstance there's no cbs headlines about "Hussein Bahamas the Gay Prostitute" and such.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:543/to:543#543 << lmao more of that same http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:645/to:645#645 eh ? fucking ITCHING, it's killing them.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:516/to:516#516 << you seriously don't see the precariousness of this ? if i tomorrow hire a stripper to go to their house and dance until they make it all be in a ruby gem in java, they'll do that, too ?
mircea_popescu: possibly the most precarious attempt to spin plates conceivable.
trinque: could be some other homeless lispmonger
mircea_popescu: let's not forget that the imbecile silk road guy actually told cops that "anyone could have sent him fake ids because there existrs silk road". the smoked out elliot rodger generation actually thinks this way.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:491/to:491#491 << this is actually a very solid objection. the properties promised do not last, which is a very serious problem especially because it simultaneously caters to the idiocy of the webcrowd and to the strengths of the usg.
Framedragger: (yeah i need to finish off a website because i promised to a relative, foolishly, now i gather. because some dude's flying and they need it right nao!!1 and gave promise. such is life)
mircea_popescu: also, i never new before how much i loved the bot reading out the contents of log lines.
Framedragger: yeah, well, i may be underestimating the importance of such a 'design decision', in truth.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:475/to:475#475 << amusingly he's exactly right, although he doesn't know why. bitcoin hasn't been used by roger ver since cca 2013ish because roger ver has been flat broke ever since then. so no practical need, for him.
trinque: wtf next tier past "design decision" is imagined there?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so it would seem that your irc client *may* be using Windows-1252, because 0x96 in Windows-1252 appears to be – (EN-DASH). but, i'm realllly not sure, because, encoding hell. moving on to other stuff...
mircea_popescu: anyway, "the technology" is rather uninteresting inasmuch as the project lead deliberately avoided presenting it to the republic, in spite of being invited to do so twice.
trinque: BingoBoingo: it spouted them
mircea_popescu: and obviously, the worst thing that can happen to you is for your project to be leading the next sentence. but hey, the world is so cruel.
mircea_popescu: "she thinks maxipads are the new rage"
BingoBoingo: Since deedbot seems sleepy http://qntra.net/2016/08/us-third-party-candidates-ad-buy-spotted-in-the-wild/ http://qntra.net/2016/08/update-on-some-forking-losers/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the joke with the menstruating she-bear and the animals in the forest ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:450/to:450#450 << i don't think the guy personally has any voice into this whatsoever. see also http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:256/to:256#256 on this topic. basically, there's a very fat, dumb man walking around, and it tried to sit on a chair named eth which caught fire. the fat man still wants to sit, and monero is the one thing looking most like a chair available. it WILL si
Framedragger: (for logs, the joys that are unicode and utf-8 encoding, https://qntm.org/unicodings )
mircea_popescu lets alf do the honors.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you dunno the reference ?
Framedragger: does, uh, your irc client add a spurious byte just for kicks, or wtf. hm. i also know there are multiple long hyphens / shorter dashes in unicode, maybe some of them don't get recognized by these shit systems
mircea_popescu: this is some wtf level voodoo here. i have nfi why they called it utf
Framedragger: no i copy pasted that from btcbase log, the dumb fella that i am
Framedragger: no wait. wait wait. btcbase's log displays them as dashes. my irc client displays them as questionmarks. that original dash - i'd assumed it was a dash from btcbase's log, i now surmise. i get questionmark in irc
mircea_popescu: if i copy/paste yours into the log, it ALSO does not.
mircea_popescu: this is the weirdest shit. so all these display as dashes on my system : both yours, and mine.
Framedragger: (btw btcbase's irc line IDs do start with 1, so i guess they are sorta deterministic)
Framedragger: meaning, i won't be doing anything with the full logs (assuming that's what you mean by the artefact) today
Framedragger: btcbase and log.b-a go back to the same date (26th april 2013)
mircea_popescu: lemme fish out the original artefact
Framedragger: damn. www itself is utf-8 proper, but the source of the log (znc) reports that long hyphen as byte 0x96, for whatever reason. this then gets rendered as �. i think i won't dig into znc's mysteries as i'll be planning to move to a different log format anyway (everything to be stored in db for proper search, etc.)
asciilifeform: not in the l0gz...
Framedragger: very possibly that's the reason, no disagreement here. it fucking does the job, and has no shitty m0dern gimmicks.
BingoBoingo: Well, toolbox was retired because it was the final word on WP themes and they needed makework? What more is there to say on the subject?
Framedragger: https://github.com/Automattic/_s/ - allegedly it's da modern super minimalist theme with minimal css that one is supposed to hack on. toolbox (marked as 'retired', which doesn't really mean that) on themes.wordpress.org links to _s
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: ah! thanks for the suggestion. btw did you have any particular grievances with the supposed heir of Toolbox, _s?