trinque: but it does not immediately follow that there are any authorized_keys set or determine where they were generated if so
asciilifeform: yes, there IS some nonzero probability of it happening 'at random', but chances are that someone was served polonium tea.
asciilifeform: think of it as a geiger that rattled all day long at 1000x the familiar background for the room.
mircea_popescu: yes, the people with shitty opsec are never a tiny fraction of any group ; even if we don't meet them often
asciilifeform: well other working hypothesis is that it is ~not~ tiny fraction, but a tip of the 'birthday theorem' iceberg.
mircea_popescu: trinque depends on setup ; sometimes nat people do this. gotta remember we're talking of a tiny fraction of the space here.
asciilifeform: do you still see a 'debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: try a ssh -v ipaddrgoeshere -l root on one of these
trinque: all the networking gear I've seen didn't ship with any authorized_keys filled in
trinque: I am on a terribly laggy connection, but people there can be understood as "manufacturers"
asciilifeform: trinque: current working hypothesis is that ~none of the affected boxes are operated by 'people'
mircea_popescu: hey, let the reader benefit, what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typically the key used for actually logging in is generated on same box. with same braindamaged rng. hopefully i dun need to draw a picture, it makes sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever notice that ~all of the Framedragger boxes support publickey auth on ssh ?
asciilifeform: 'Last week, a defense lawyer argued that the FBI drastically improved the performance of a dark web child pornography site in the process of investigating it. On Thursday, the Department of Justice responded, denying those claims.'
mircea_popescu: yes, it could have, at any point during the past year, been a significant way for the derps to contribute ; and very cheap for them.
mircea_popescu: hence why "ask them".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform emulating them, same diff.
asciilifeform: but to take one of the routers discussed in the netcat thread and actually see how it shits out key
asciilifeform: eh i wasn't suggesting ~asking~ them.
mircea_popescu: meaningless flailing about what "we haven't proven" however, ie, the ONLY thing they may not do in their situation, that they come up with qs.
mircea_popescu: somehow the "here is the code i compiled to run to obtain that result" is not obviously the ONLY thing they may do in their situation.
mircea_popescu: NONE of them produced the fucking software. all of them produced various versions of "oh, you owe us things"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's much iffier because as you've seen in the field, the idiots who are idiots once are going to be idiots forever
mircea_popescu: get a "cloud" of likely primes, much in the way "artificial intelligence" works.
mircea_popescu: and then apply that to zero field, timestamps, etc.
mircea_popescu: the correct move here if we had spare engineers would be to run a complete review of open sores crypto material generators, starting with openssh
asciilifeform: and could potentially blow considerably (say, 100,000x) moar, if we knew the mechanism (e.g. 'marsaglia rng seeded with last 16 bits of time stamp at first boot) which produced them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the major point re the Framedragger keyz, is that if going by the usual braindamaged-rng hypothesis, we are uncovering a small % of phuctorables.
mircea_popescu: "phuctor has accidentally uncovered an access gateway for the usg global intercept network"
asciilifeform: the latter typically do not allow for remote access (this is a major sticking point, they dun like incoming)
asciilifeform: incidentally i suspect the 'cellular' ips are not modems.
mircea_popescu: you all want wireless because you grow cats in the house, admit it.
asciilifeform: sent it back, the claimed coverage area was a fiction.
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaand now we have another idiotmodem.
asciilifeform: s inability and to provide a remedy. An indicator of the seriousness of the Board's concern is the PMC been requested to report to the Board every month, starting in August, rather than quarterly, the normal case. One option for remedy that must be considered is retirement of the project. The request is for the PMC's consideration among other possible options." '
asciilifeform: 'Outgoing Apache OpenOffice project management committee (PMC) chair Dennis Hamilton has begun the discussion of a possible (note possible at this point) shutdown of the project. "In the case of Apache OpenOffice, needing to disclose security vulnerabilities for which there is no mitigation in an update has become a serious issue. In responses to concerns raised in June, the PMC is currently tasked by the ASF Board to account for thi
shinohai: Nope thestringpuller have been single for several months now
mircea_popescu: there's some periphrastic work but afaik i've not tackled this monster as of yet.
mircea_popescu: but i hear they're making an upgrade marked mandatory for everyone. called persistent cloaca.
shinohai: Sure it ir, but you don't have to be a graduate of Don Juan university to do it either.
shinohai: I don't give camho fucking lessons, if one cannot figure the best way to do that on your own then I imagine there is little hope left in the world for you.
mircea_popescu: the reason he's meeting venezuelan friend isn't what you think, but - they'll both go meet the girl, take her back to hotel, then shinohai's gonna be "alright bro, now take your pants off. not those pants, these pants. yes off. here's a webpage with screenshots. ok, now..."
mircea_popescu: lol shinohai will instruct noobs. how to play eulora ; how to run bot ; how to fuck camhos ; and other thangs.
mircea_popescu: doesn't it know these people have note from bahamas ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the physics is SO unfair!
PeterL: obnoxious thing about winblows #67542: using \ as a directory separator rather than / like other OSen. bleh.
boolcrap: i cannot answer but im sure they exist
mircea_popescu: the kind that is sick of trying to wash saliva out of tufty hairs
boolcrap: what kind of man shaves their balls
boolcrap: yeah but, it is for the pleasure of this nice slut
boolcrap: i mean are their balls touching, i cant tell
BingoBoingo: boolcrap: It was the GAYEST. Nothing gayer than self fucking.
mircea_popescu: happens all the time, "migrating pouch"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then they lose "Charge weight in silver." Hand tool market has solid atm homeostasis between gradations of chinese shitsteel and leap to functional metal.
mircea_popescu: and in other surgical news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqkkz0k6Yn1qf2htfo1_500.gif the problem with boob implants is that the boob becomes a two-medium item, and now you experience refraction etcf.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and who knows for how long. wouldn't astonish me if they are opening the first chinese plant as we speak.
mircea_popescu: very little of what used to take skilled hands and tweezers in the operating room still does.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other 'news', i found the ~1 remaining maker of non-chinese-shitsteel screwdrivers (yes) on the planet. << Who?
mircea_popescu: it's also a dying item. pre laparascopy it was a major tool of the trade.
asciilifeform: (they converge to a needle point, that is lathe-turned conical, and ~stays that way~ after years of stabbing into various objects)
asciilifeform: they cost > own weight in silver.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', i found the ~1 remaining maker of non-chinese-shitsteel screwdrivers (yes) on the planet.
asciilifeform: having seen the 'software industry', it is difficult to be certain even of this.
asciilifeform: but then again!
asciilifeform: i suppose at the 'tie my shoes for me or i'll shit everywhere' level, not much javascriptin' happening
mircea_popescu: and more generally : for every one person who won't do x because stupid idea - there's at least 79 who don't because it never occured to them.
mircea_popescu: check your priviledge bro. there's more people who don't javascript because they can't than the ones who don't because won't.
boolcrap: were u in the area?
asciilifeform: boolcrap: i went there not long ago and half-expected to find you inside.
mircea_popescu: BUT THE FIFTH ONE WILL STAY UP!
mircea_popescu: anyway, someone found a reimplementation of eve online in php made by some mexicans (literally), edited some stuff in his notepad ; but then the machine "caught some viruses" when he was making banners (ie, downloaded random photoshop crack) and well...
asciilifeform: 'Since the game is full of bug, it does not mean i don't work hard to get to the first position. My mines is working full power and bring more than 60000 resource per hour'
mircea_popescu: gets better, "i don't know how to fix that 500 error so will close the game"
boolcrap: you can only make so much money not interacting with the ppls
boolcrap: i dont work for the old people u know
mircea_popescu: or alternatively i guess for " For everybody, sorry my windows got some bug yesterday while I was doing the banners to promote the game Embarrassed and I'm busy trying to fix that, after that I'll give all atention to you all! Thanks for all!"
mircea_popescu: grep for "Ok guys, I found a general failure on the defense system of the game and don't know how to fix that making the game unable to play at this point."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, salt is toxic to the innocent.
mircea_popescu: split the difference : it was 1978
mircea_popescu: he died soon thereafter ; likely from salt poisoning.
mircea_popescu: he was pleased to hear the tsar was finally overturned
asciilifeform: i do hope to live to see them over, yes.
mircea_popescu: the 90s are over.
mircea_popescu: defenseless. a fucking wasp colony can take out the defenseless.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the elliot kid is a fucking self-parody, like a comic book character irl)
mircea_popescu: more like "there are no wizards, unless you mean 30 yo virgins"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's model, in ru sphere is called 'inverse cargocult' - i.e. 'there are no airplanes, anywhere'
mircea_popescu: they're all the exact keyboard warrior, lost in a fantasy world where they "call assassinations" and "resolve problems" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: there is no substantial difference between hillary rodham clinton, ross william ulbricht and adam james susan.
mircea_popescu: there's no meta-nsa, there's no anything. the dogvomit is dogvomit all the way down.
mircea_popescu: gloves filled with gloves. there's no substance.
mircea_popescu: reality in the field is exactly opposite, but hey.
mircea_popescu: you entertain this delusion, whereby the bureaucrats somehow have freedom to act ; republic does not
asciilifeform: clitler wields the pear.
mircea_popescu: you know diebold headquarters burns just like any other vinyl siding construction ; vaginal pear splits up andy matter's wife just as well as any other.
asciilifeform: the 'right' numbers - come out.
mircea_popescu: so she loses election and gets anointed by bureaucracy, is the last ditch of a hope ? mmmkay,
mircea_popescu: heck, she probably still has the icecream ladels from back when she was the... second lady of the first man.
mircea_popescu: a) in a us-ru confrontation, ru wins ; as they have won the past three ; b) only thing hillary wins is another pint of hagen dazs. woman's a born loser, and always ahs been.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, lulzy "duel" of talking points from the libtards and really-not-libtards-promise. they all agree russia doesn't matter and that hillary will somehow win the "elections", but you're more than free to connect the rest of the dots any way you please ? hurr durr.
asciilifeform: ^ from the 'trump as ru spy' thing.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the second parcel of keyz has been digested today.
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: If you call it $job you have the wrong attitude towards it. Call it "hobby"
BingoBoingo: Well I guess the worst case is you might have to accelerate the development of oppression mechanisms in the game.
BingoBoingo: Honestly I dunno about the game, but I trust the beetles can find a wrong way to play it.
mircea_popescu: and i'd be much surprised if there can be such a thing as competition.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun play, so i cannot say, but if indeed the thing ~needs~ dungbeetles, to work correctly, this is a risk.
mircea_popescu: the irony of how eulora is better utilization of these people's time than their own life is not lost on me
asciilifeform: where mircea_popescu advanced the argument that 'eulora needs dungbeetles'
asciilifeform: iirc there was entire thread re subj
mircea_popescu: well, nothinh wrong with that, their labour is actually useful in eulora
shinohai: Pretty sure I got tit market wrapped these days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You gotta remember that poverty also colonizes their minds kinda ruining them for anything else. But yeah seriously none would find a pair of tits to photograph.
mircea_popescu: i mean seriously, the 0.1 chicks used to get exceed the total gdp of that entire many-thousand strong community
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's a tad ridiculous you know. to quote from the other chan, "kinda funny, over the course of the week the faucet folk managed to get a little more than one of a pair of old style tits"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and holy shit they solve captchas. like... by hand ? << Seriously the captcha problem as been solved by the poverty solution.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other omg i can't believe this shit, apparently there's an entire ecosystem built around "faucets". << lol, you've been so sheltered from this fount of idiots
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/01/the-blueprints/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The blueprints.
asciilifeform: do we have to review the photos i took in bmore ?
mircea_popescu: in the mainstream sense
asciilifeform: because, again, ~everyone already has them.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533228 << these, like roof over house, are not part of ~anybody's cost calculus.
asciilifeform: (all known 'captcha' systems fall into category of either 'unusable' or 'trivially breakable.')
PeterL: cant fill out capchas by hand while you sleep either
asciilifeform: (~where~ they get the printolade, whether from redditcard or from turning tricks, i do not know, but there is never such a time that the shops are not packed)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as if anyone in the us has any money to spend << waiwat??
mircea_popescu: long live the soviets lmao.
mircea_popescu: "The sports casters are blaming back to school shopping, as if kids never before got outfitted for school at the and of August." << ahahaha. mno. as if anyone in the us has any money to spend. that's the big fucking point. usg.agitprop is talking about some wholly hallucinated shoping, that in their feverish imagination is so outsized as to keep people away from baseball even ?
mircea_popescu: socialism, the tool of insanity. getting people to ruin their lives since forever, through the surefire method of confusing the cost structure.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit they solve captchas. like... by hand ?
shinohai: 1 bitcent is roughly 6 months of average fauceting I'd say, yet some of these guys do it religiously.
mircea_popescu: apparently they do thinks like 200 satoshi at a time
mircea_popescu: shinohai amusingly enough i'm pretty sure we've already paid out more than the entire "faucets" this whole year.
shinohai: That's why all the eulora noobs have to PM me 3 times to ask if this is a scam.Most of them are likely faucet farmers.
mircea_popescu: in other omg i can't believe this shit, apparently there's an entire ecosystem built around "faucets".
mircea_popescu: the mystery of lumps is that only the fallen may ever get any. to everyone else it's figs an' dates.
shinohai: ty mircea_popescu I will take my lumps but for the proper reason!
mircea_popescu: the impressive thing, at least to me, is that it is an ideal artefact so utterly interpretable. from a purely political, or religious view it's one thing ; but a purely gnoseologic definition is also available, and it doesn't even have to import "person" or "reality" to work just fine. besides, it can be stated in any other systematic approach one cares to.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dbicken%2520back%2520being%2520bool | Bicken Back Being Bool means kicking back being cool... Blood gangs use b's instead of C's or K's because the letter K sounds like a C.
trinque: cannot find the log line where this was first stated thus
trinque: http://trilema.com/2016/the-bickening/ << /me perceives more of "republic describes the structure of meaning" here
mircea_popescu: save yourself the typing.
thestringpuller: shinohai: lets go ride the D*C train
mircea_popescu: knock yourself out. and also - make a "how to key" page on wiki, collect all the stuff you tell these people in one place.
mircea_popescu: shinohai now this is a good point. you know what, ima put you on the list next month.
mircea_popescu: where are ye dao experts and philosophers of abstract contracts when there's actual economic need of yer "skillz".
shinohai: Yipdard: see part 8 of the manual I gave you
asciilifeform wonders, was #eulora hit by cosmic rays, or wat, why are these folks here
Yipdard: algerians are everywhere in the world, from canada to australia omg
Yipdard: but that's after the arabisation, kabyles are white peoples, mixed with some "bruns" (in french)
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neh, like the piratez of barbary !1111
mircea_popescu: you mean like soumaya, elliot rodger's stepmother ?
Yipdard: their origin is not from this fucking sauds
Yipdard: i said frenchs, not fucking algerians, don't like them
Yipdard: lol, they're everywhere
mircea_popescu: Yipdard the largest pop to date, 82.x mn ECu, aka 0.82 btc, came from a click that cost the owner maybe 10k satoshi or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: or to figure out how it works. either way.
mircea_popescu made the mistake of encouraging girl to sushi. girl is now insanely good, to the degree all the previous great sushi places in town are meh, and i just want to have sushi at home.
Yipdard: can someone explain me goal of the game?
shinohai: Imma have to bill minigame.bz for the noob tech support soon.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: with wonderful 'articles' such as 'Key Points To Consider When A Buying Car In Kansas City', or 'Choosing The Right Dirt Bike For Your Child'.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Really you should wear that everywhere, but seriously gotta have the Kleins to show you are srs about bsns.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Don't forget to carry your Kleins, hammer, and other tools of privilege inspection on your belt. Always dress for trabajo
mircea_popescu: wanna be a pirate, go there.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear (from chicks that ran away) venezuela is truly in the shit nowadays.
mircea_popescu: random street urchin with gang lord delusions however, may perceive you're in not as good position to check their priviledge as the ganglords are.
mircea_popescu: he might be busy holding in the poop
shinohai: If lulz occur, I'll give BingoBoingo the scoop
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if it's like "oh, random chick i met yesterday will meet me at airport and her... uhm... brothers... will drive me to their estancia in the interior" you're setting self up for lulz. << lol
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller for instance, the intention is to have, say, "game board". players craft it, and if they want play. so you can make your own pinball machine, and play pinball in eulora.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller will work in practice a little bit like majesty, if you know that game : after a certain level, your castle gets a sewer. you can set some rules for it. eventually you get moar complex submaps etc.
mircea_popescu: why would i have to prevent it ? there's specific space in the design spec for third-party developed maps. they run by whatever rules third party comes up with ; player doens't have to enter it. if he does enter it, client loads up more data.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: So the Eulora world will inevatibly allow different "modes of play" i.e. "Stealth game" or "Action game"? via >> http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-august-2016-statement/#selection-907.192-929.3
mircea_popescu: if it's like "oh, random chick i met yesterday will meet me at airport and her... uhm... brothers... will drive me to their estancia in the interior" you're setting self up for lulz.
mircea_popescu: ah ok then.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i took a shot.
shinohai: I know, but I haz friend meeting me there from Venezuela
mircea_popescu: shinohai you know there ~is~ a slight possibility you're walking into a trap, yes ?
shinohai: Come to Columbia with me thestringpuller, mebbe there is still a trilema girl down there you can hook up with
thestringpuller: cuz i iz too deep in the uranium mines to take leave. maybe when my shift is up.
asciilifeform: i even described how to boot kernels off the net, for quick turnaround when working on a kernel-cum-bitcoind shitball
asciilifeform: and here i thought i beat the subject to an agonizingly pedantic death...
mircea_popescu: yes, ick, but it nevertheless exists.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i downloaded "modern" browser. the shit proceeds to download "an update" by itself when left alone for five minutes. then upon examination it turns out that it has no setting to fix this. nor for that matter any setting to disable javascript. nor anything else. it has : a star ; and a smiley face. that's all. "would you like french fries with that ?" level of interface design. i guess menus and whatnot were "to
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 12:32 diana_coman: mod6 or anyone else who already did this: I'm installing gentoo on a box with the view to run a node on it; any specific/recommended sw requirements/setup? box is i5 2.6GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB hdd
asciilifeform: ;;later tell diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532900 << yes, there is a magical recipe, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << thread.
shinohai: other wanted !~
shinohai: Well technically there *was* bickering. Some ppl were happy with original, some didn't like >,
mircea_popescu: so then say "sorry, i couldn't maintain my bot to spec" not "bickering. truth helps.
shinohai: Sorry that bot surgery was low on list of priorities at the time.
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's not "bickering". toldja 2x to use !~, an hour apart. next day you had changed it to > or some stupid shit and people were complaining, so it got devoiced. next time do critical fixes - such as the control sequence of a chatbot - in real time or remove it yourself.
mircea_popescu: yea, it's totally because not paying attention to ~trump~ that place's going to shit. not because not paying attention to the soul eating, all consuming bureaucracy. that's a-ok, will make the country not-great again because it doesn't need to, because to them it's always been great.
mircea_popescu: so i watched a southpark episode last night, it was one about how all the canadians moved to the us because they had elected a trump and canada was turned into a total detroit by his idiocy BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, and it made me think of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:98/to:98#98
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532897 << I was just kidding about teh epicness of the bash
sellbtctraderz: I am another guy from BCT
shinohai: sellbtctraderz: you the guy from bitcoinztalk ?
thestringpuller: Basically I go straight there after work, and drink with buddies until traffic dies down then it's like a chill 25 minute drive home instead of 40 minute to 1 hour drive.
shinohai: o hai thestringpuller
diana_coman: kk, will see how it goes then
diana_coman: mod6 or anyone else who already did this: I'm installing gentoo on a box with the view to run a node on it; any specific/recommended sw requirements/setup? box is i5 2.6GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB hdd
mircea_popescu: and in other "gag reflex is optional" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrbtd0Dqxw1r2n6sjo1_500.gif
boolcrap: this is the first time ive ever seen anyone be called a liberal blogger
mircea_popescu: liberals, you know. mouth says one thing, ass says another.
mircea_popescu has now accidentally checked out josh marshall's blog, is amused at all the butthurt.
boolcrap: i dont get the reference