asciilifeform: theoretically i could pay to have it not happen, but for the same cost could get 2-3 more subscriptions to various isp...
Framedragger: nasa's coding manual (which doesn't allow recursive code - because the rovers are, you know, sorta far away, and you write in a turing complete language) may have it - i wonder
mircea_popescu: lol they changed your pooled ip ? sad!
Framedragger: look at that one person knows to actually include human readable timestamp into the inside of a pgp signed message which deals with timing-sensitive info!!!
mircea_popescu: half the shit you do with c is check whether something was initialized properly. HALF!
mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger the problem of "we'll just initialize in a soup" is a lot deeper than previously thought. in a merciless language like C, the fact that we're the first to come up with the "fucking initialize in alphabetical roder!" is indicative of the brain rot.
mircea_popescu: the problems start when phf will get more people to do knuth style literature
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no disagreement there; just pointing out that sometimes small arrangement disagreements still prop up; say, different order of variable initialization (which otherwise bears no actual significance); etc. of course one *could* have a convention spec so precise taht it would include things like "if there is arbitrary order of initialization of $x then default to alphanumerical order".
mircea_popescu: sort-of like css for the editor if you will.
mircea_popescu: in general people working on the same (large enough as you said) codebase should have the courtesy to use the same spacing and coding conventions etc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'm not the end all be all in project management for computer software. however, it seems to me "differently arranged lines" is a fucking weird problem to have. really, you can arbitrarily sort programs ? in what language, html ?
thestringpuller: What happened to not banning gribble! Don't disenfranchise the nice bot!
Framedragger: cosmetic conflict = differently arranged lines or multiple implementations of some simplistic algorithm; overusing the whole "develop in multiple branches and merge things and stuff" thing. sorry - multitasking; trying to eradicate this habit fwiw.
jhvh1: shinohai: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 24 minutes and 43 seconds ago: <shinohai> I thought the purpose of V was to excise git-think from the mind.
Framedragger: i understand that i'd be more internally..consistent if i just ditched the *whole* thing, however.
Framedragger: well fwiw i'm not overusing it. i don't subscribe to the "resolve cosmetic conflicts by doing more redundant work" thing, either;and i don't do it
mircea_popescu is slowly turning into an ancient dragon of the "i hate your kind ; i just don't hate you personally. yet." persuasion.
Framedragger: you may be just right; fwiw i have the same inkling feeling, hm
mircea_popescu: if they put in the extra half hour to write a joint statement of their individual solutions they'd produce code that'd shame gabriel.
mircea_popescu: i am willing to bet you that in any case as we imagine ehre, where two competent coders rushed like teenage athletes to stripper cunt and each implemented slighly variant solutions to the same problem,
mircea_popescu: the way i see it is, kids today are like, overexcited.
mircea_popescu: ah, that sort of conflict is to be resolved talmudically : they both review the code, jointly issue a version./
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense "that's all nice and good, but here's what i still want to do and it's not covered"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you mean in the sense of a logical "third"? i'm not sure. i guess i get it conceptually, re. conflicts; but on a more mundane practical level, conflicts happen because, say, two people implemented some particular thing a bit differently; or their feature touched upon code from another place which was also being worked at; whatever
mircea_popescu: Framedragger is there a remainder ?
mircea_popescu: because wener kock's incredibly cheeky "i fucked it all up ha-ha!" is not coming out of the martian spaceship. it's coming out of - hey, we already "solve" conflicts hurr.)
mircea_popescu: the advantages of V remain, such as automatic conflict resolution.
mircea_popescu: but if they want to work with you on X, there's nothing to keep them from putting the 2nd in a - presumably - different environment.
mircea_popescu: if people want to have a working product, or evaluate your person, they will put the first in their sig files.
mircea_popescu: all this said : if you are using v, then the correct way to use v for this purpose is, to make multi signatures. there's "his lordship framedragger, of the most serene republic". there can also be "this'll fuck you up".
Framedragger: shit, i just got what you're trying to say - i'm slow. it's only a publishing mechanism. how to collaborate internally is another matter. yes, nice separation of concerns. (though i suspect people have thought how to do proper collaboration in V as well - emails with vdiffs etc)
mircea_popescu: so collaboration, inasmuch as it's a private act (your tulpas, your friends, w/e) needn't be on v ; just like it needn't be on github, or on git. lots of code development happens on the holy napkin.
mircea_popescu: you and your coworker will likely not need, or want to eat the overhead, of keeping track of who owes who coffee via blockchain. also we don'tgive a shit, sort it out yourselves.
mircea_popescu: V is a publishing mechanism. it allows people to interact that don't know each other. it is very much like bitcoin : to achieve this glorious ends it has some costs.
mircea_popescu: yeah. here's the thing :
Framedragger: 2) while automatic merges mask deeper problems (as trinque may have implied) and may or may not be cancer, having many developers be able to work on the same codebase and later easily solve code conflicts is fucking *great*
mircea_popescu: you make special sigs for these cases.
Framedragger: 1) you may want to retain several versions of the thing you're developing - production, testing environment, development, some-large-feature-im-working-on-thats-currently-breaking-everything
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: there is an implied assumption here of a "large enough" codebase (deliberately vague quantifier here). why i'm using it for scriba: 'cause i like it; and the latter's not a great argument. *but* if you have a large enough project with multiple people working on it, then:
mircea_popescu: and in other news, https://67.media.tumblr.com/3131badbb9a970a347ecb5425b4f9494/tumblr_mra65tJ8oI1qgv7t5o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: (and ftr : the "faster" angle is a minor concern here. human on foot ought to do ~10-12kph ; there's no guarantee car manages to do half that. meanwhile, the "not cutting your soles to shreds" IS a major concern.)
mircea_popescu: "don't go to frat party barefoot, here's a car" is a shitload better than "don't go to frat party barefoot, here's the bus to church"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger tell you what, if i'm on any page like that and i right click an url it gives me a fucked up thing that dun work rather than a link to the thing i right clicked on. so i'm stuck processing them further.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:333/to:333#333 << if you use special order gear the correct move is to put it in the last layer. not like YOUR ROUTER is going down. having the collection of pipes work on heathen hardware is fine ; and until and unless you actually replace all internet infrastructure with s.nsa gear, your sweat used here is sweat wasted.
trinque: "automatic merging" meanwhile isn't even a thing. that two hunks in a file didn't collide has no bearing on whether they semantically ought to coexist.
Framedragger: ftr there's now a kind of deployment process so i have to make changes in dev branch, make a commit, and then pull from a separate repo which has the dev branch as its upstream. AND I LIKE IT THAT WAY!!1
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:62/to:62#62 << okay okay i'll disable the "be able to spit out multiple lines" thing on bot until a saner thing is conjured (like being able to send multiple lines to some user via privmsg). if you have to manually edit urls every time that's just crazy
ben_vulpes: and can sell you the cell connection
ben_vulpes: buddy of mine builds, sells and operates linux boxes that mux net connections together for durable connections
ascii_zimbabwe: and not, as is not hard to guess, because lacking the pipes.
BingoBoingo: ABout block index getting corrupted and resync hell if power blips in wrong way that exceeds otherwise ample batteries
ascii_zimbabwe: why the hell would you back up a node ?
BingoBoingo: And then goes down to back up blockchain and block index
ascii_zimbabwe: BingoBoingo: what's the record uptime on your node ?
mircea_popescu: actually this thing might have the largest female population, simple because seeing pretty brunette with old looking rich dude is like salt in fatty's wounds. and what tru woman can resist salt in her wounds ?
mircea_popescu: https://archive.li/UXRrF/362bbd285be8fbabae6b2a2636e1d70ae78fb732.jpg My husband is my life, my mentor, my best friend, my partner in crime and he means the world to me. I am his priority and he lives to make me happy. Read more>>
mircea_popescu: somehow the fact that the skinny chick does all the talk the fat chick would gladly do in her stead AND ALSO HITS THE GYM is to escape our notice. because... shallow.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell asciilifeform it's either a short church hymn or (as used here) the "general rule".
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/bd4a525792f2c1f43c06b20ca45b2289/tumblr_od15foblaK1srkdaoo1_1280.jpg
hanbot: i think tropar is solely for hymns about saints or religious occasions. otherwise there's all sortsa hymns (imnuri), iirc there's even one for some mental hospital
BingoBoingo: EIther way fava beans still kill
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein / from the same source : https://archive.is/uIBox#selection-9.1569-9.1577
BingoBoingo: Looks like MAO-ism in the Nepali sense where every political party is a different kind of MAOist party
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sorta what the magnetic pole of that direction looks like.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self') << HERETICS ACTING FROM PURPOSE
asciilifeform: i must disagree that the alices are idle, however.
asciilifeform: or rather, not quite.
asciilifeform: in the su penal code.
mircea_popescu: the #1 thing i liked about ro socialism and dislike in us socialism is this. idleness was fucking illegal, "homelessness" meant the police picked you up, beat you up, and sent you to work camp.
mircea_popescu: if you tried to camp on the sea you'd have been arrested and sent to work.
mircea_popescu: as older wouldn't be relevant to the story, being later. who knows, maybe she grew up to worship my footsepts.
asciilifeform: these - square.
asciilifeform: not these.
mircea_popescu: miners wanted at least a whif of the pussy.
mircea_popescu: see, the delusion of choice adds like two to twelve zeroes.
asciilifeform: or whatever other meatgrinder-for-supernumerary-males-with-chix-audience
mircea_popescu: anyway, re "handful of biological women" : there was at no point in the history of porn that i;m aware of, a differential lower than three degrees of magnitude between the chick count and the dork count.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. i imagine in typical style of the poor peasant girl, they tell themselves the reason they don't get to go to the seaside is because they're better than that.
mircea_popescu: much like kid in soviet lands, with a catalogue for to apply stamps for a prize. there's the spaces clearly delineated ; and no stamps. ever.
asciilifeform: none of these folk are getting arse welts any more than they'll be dragged on a rope under dirigible.
mircea_popescu: i mean what the chick describes, "you dumb slut, when your master tells you to go the fuck outside you go the fuck outside, what arguments" is very basic slavegirl experience. the cruft she builts all around it though...
mircea_popescu: currently appears as "coven of women wanted to be slaves - as women often do ; ended up stuck with a bunch of beta dorks, because whereby to get a master! did the best possible under circumstances, which is... at best pretty fucking weird."
asciilifeform: the power of mealsquare-gettin'
mircea_popescu: i find it funny how they always fail on the most basic of questions. "who are you ?" "powers ? what powers ?" etc.
asciilifeform: just like the regular kind.
asciilifeform: i disagree that they are wholly a snore. rather, valuable entomological specimens. they rode the libertard train to its logical final stop. e.g., EMULATED people are posited to exist, in the future projecting (yes) into the past which 'created' them, and have 'rights.'
asciilifeform: (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self')
asciilifeform: 'the magic bracelet of future-self delegation'
mircea_popescu: looks homemade, so who the fuck can tell. maybe it's the dreamcather anti-quisling device or w/e it's called.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what kind of collar, will defer to the specialist
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Sl7qwnKO4 << wtf is with all the dude-looking "chicks" in "rationalism" anyway ?
mircea_popescu: aww the decisions of women in management.
mircea_popescu: Anna told me when she first became the executive director of CFAR, she suddenly had many more decisions to deal with per day than ever before. "Should we hire this person?" "Should I go buy more coffee for the coffee machine, or wait for someone else deal with it ?"
mircea_popescu: but the man-whores ARE prisoners in political solitary.
asciilifeform: i can see it used on prisoners in political solitary, or some other helpless saps
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [02:10:01] <asciilifeform> the 'mealsquares,' that is.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#147 << they periodically get REAL EXCITED about stupid shit like this, dogfood - for people. there was some other nonsense selling it by the bushel bag, dun recall wtf it was called
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:31:24] <asciilifeform> 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
asciilifeform: or afraid they'll frag ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It could be supremely memetically comfortable. Many folks now prophylactically get their lawn tractor tires filled with fix-o-flat!
asciilifeform: are they serving 'mealsquares' to soldiers yet ?
asciilifeform: 'More protein per calorie than a Big Mac, less sugar than a banana. The energy bar has grown up.'
asciilifeform: shinohai: i dun think synthetic tits happen on a javascript wage.
asciilifeform: the 'mealsquares,' that is.
asciilifeform: and if i stick around in this godforsaken shitland long enough, i'll probably find out what they taste like.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
asciilifeform: whatever happed to our last one of these
asciilifeform: ( i hear they get'em belt-sanded off now-adays, but not on a javascript wage. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember these folks are just that loath to admit that they, themselves are broken and suck.
asciilifeform: 'our modern society is just memetically uncomfortable with this idea for stupid reasons, not unlike the reasons they're uncomfortable with transpeople ' << didjaknow!
asciilifeform: http://lesswrong.com/lw/kxy/simulate_and_defer_to_more_rational_selves << holy mother of fuck.
asciilifeform: i'll pass on the vomitronic kthx
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i do not have sufficient lsd to say what. << Go to any big box garden center. Search the housplants for a big ole San Pedro cactus, they will have at least one. Eat the whole thing.
asciilifeform: 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
asciilifeform: ' I am in berkeley and learning these math things.'
asciilifeform: y'know, when the comet just keeps not comin'.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:02:17] <thestringpuller> so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:82/to:82#82 << is this the one with the ethereum derpage or another one ?
asciilifeform: it came out of the pipe, what.
mircea_popescu: the what ?
asciilifeform: 'afaict the quirrell tulpa is one of the more common types of tulpas. if you have one, do not use it. it is secretly voldemort and will destroy your soul.'
thestringpuller: no. "THE INTERNET OF MONEY"
thestringpuller: so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1200 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1059 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
mircea_popescu: there we go
scriba: [5/5] [21:35:35] <mircea_popescu> (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
scriba: [4/5] [21:31:35] <mircea_popescu> in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
mircea_popescu: she's ~ in the position of argentina's ex-chief-whore.
mircea_popescu: honestly i give it even odds the whole affair ends up with hillary behind bars.
mircea_popescu: all he has to do is the traditional 1936 "march in defense of values" bla bla.\
mircea_popescu: if trump goes on tv ? yeah they'll come over.
mircea_popescu: notoriously hard to ferret out, these things.
mircea_popescu: nra's existence is not mega seekrit, among numerous other such things. much like sa's existence was not secret, but also not relevant. the commies had bigger and for that reason supposedly better paramilitaries.
mircea_popescu: and why not ? the way these things work, "everyone knew" what the sa was up to. except, of course, for everyone, from pappen down.
asciilifeform: eh not as if asciilifeform would be the ~first~ to know if brownshirt legion were recruiting, but likes to think he would not be the ~last~
asciilifeform: y'know, the fella kpss hired to run 'opposition'
mircea_popescu: i dunno what trump is gonna do ; maybe he hangs everyone ever involved with the democratic party. maybe he doesn't. if i end up in power however - i do.
mircea_popescu: as per the von flondor doctrine.
asciilifeform: 'If the U.K. government knows that it is transferring data that may be used for drone strikes against non-combatants … that transfer is probably unlawful,” Stratford told the members of Parliament. “An individual involved in passing that information is likely to be an accessory to murder.' << l0l!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is referring to sat dish, the camel fucker's aol.
asciilifeform: https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/07/ghosthunter3.jpg << herr orlol will love the 'rocket up the sat dish' aspect of this lultron.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is "log onto the internet" supposed to fucking mean ? aol ?
asciilifeform: 'The NSA’s documents describe GHOSTHUNTER as a means “to locate targets when they log onto the internet.” It was first developed in 2006 as “the only capability of its kind” and it enabled “a significant number of capture-kill operations” against alleged terrorists. '
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9BsSX << in other lulz. 'A classified U.S. document, dated from 2005, cautioned spy agency employees against revealing the truth. “It is important to know the established cover story for MHS [Menwith Hill Station] and to protect the fact that MHS is an intelligence collection facility,” the document stated. “Any reference to satellites being operated or any connection to intelligence gathering is strictly pro
mircea_popescu: if i for some reason decide to review this movie, there goes about 60% of all the google juice and thus existence of the whole anglotard appropriation effort.
BingoBoingo: Prolly all the ethanol varnished his carbuerator
alice_: i'm p sure there aren't interesting folk around tho
asciilifeform: shinohai: approx. 'do not try to slip in with your own set of vows into another's monastery'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers. << Unless your university is new Social Justice Mizzou that wants to tear down the original Thomas Jefferson grave marker,
asciilifeform: there are people who do not like this. the exit hatch is to your left, pull the red lever.
asciilifeform: this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers.
asciilifeform: alice_: presumably you are here because you heard that there were interesting folk around, and wished to learn something.
asciilifeform: was slow to catch on, because if your language isn't braindamaged, the ~actual~ domain for oopism is quite small.
asciilifeform: various larval forms thereof - prior.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 22:45 ben_vulpes: lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
asciilifeform: (missing metaobject protocol - no introspection; lack of even such a basic thing as the mix-in)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 22:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
asciilifeform: sooo alice_ iirc i was the one you were originally looking for. what do you wish to know..?
asciilifeform: (the dollar, that is.)
BingoBoingo: But it does pull the wings off
asciilifeform: reminds me of the keychain i spend my first u.s. dollar on, BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: n00bz are slowly disassembled into component atoms and - on occasion - reassemble themselves into something that is interesting to have conversation with.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're all great when new.
asciilifeform: and they actually work, somewhat surprisingly. at least for now. LJ12A3.
BingoBoingo recently saw a transmay get winded moving from their scootypuff to a riding lawnmower to see if the small tractors would "fit"
BingoBoingo: re: tulpas, when I first saw the word in use I assumed based on phonetics that hamplanets were ascirbing personalities to their FUPAS
ben_vulpes: lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
mircea_popescu: "At the risk of predicting future fashion trends, which is rarely a good idea, I'll venture that objects are going to continue to be trendy for at least a few more decades. So I think Lisp needs some form of "seamless" OOP." and all that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
mircea_popescu: you meant above the bsd userland didn't exist ?
asciilifeform: torvalds lifted the userland utils
mircea_popescu: this is a communist government ; the only cure is grave.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did i fall into a parallel universe some time recently where linus lifting the hurd userland never happened ?
mircea_popescu: "It's time [to] explain the meaning of "Hurd". "Hurd" stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And, then, "Hird" stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". We have here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms." << arguably its most notable accomplishment to date.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "The GNU Hurd is under active development. Because of that, there is no stable version." << cca may 2016
mircea_popescu: this isn't no kids left behind club ; but on the contrary.
shinohai: "i lost the passphrase for the gpg key i created yesterday and i can't decrypt the msg mircea_popescu sent me...is it ok if a create another key and register with this?"
asciilifeform: '...some observations that I think are relevant to anyone who writes programs (start reading from “the dubious future of emacs“). It's hard to argue with the value of self-hosting. It's even harder to argue with the momentum of the browser and dynamic environments.' << gold.
mircea_popescu: you prolly recall this, iirc was in the logs.
asciilifeform: 'Yegge accidentally made an internal Google memo public on Google+ in October 2011. His 3,700-word comment garnered major media and blogger attention for Yegge's pointed commentary criticizing the leanings of the company's technological culture (such as labeling Google+'s minimalist and, in his view, lackluster public platform "a pathetic afterthought") as well as for his comments about his former employer, Amazon (such as calling Am
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's rather evident that there's a mutually-reinforcing ring of idiots. check out yegge's wikipedia article, for instance. curated with love.
asciilifeform: how any stranger than sexprerts who have no sex, 'chemists' who never touched glass, the lot.
mircea_popescu: it's mildly shocking to see the whole pile of supposed lisp experts who are actually not known to have written, let alone run, any lisp.
mircea_popescu: (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
mircea_popescu: in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
mircea_popescu: it gets the block number through deeding anyway
mircea_popescu: yeah well... if only the original authors of the us had a way to prevent the current fucktards from using it in a way they hadn't anticipated.
asciilifeform: ticipated, like making a thermometer or payment system or 3D scanner. Someone who hasn’t paid for a license to attach that thing to their phone.' ( https://archive.is/WLf7L )
asciilifeform: there is also the 'accessory license' thing, 'The 3.5mm jack is robust, familiar, secure, well-documented, and so on — we’ve seen the argument play out over the last year. You know why it’s good: because it works, reliably, worldwide, with millions of devices. Without Apple’s permission. See, it’s that last part that must bother them. The idea that someone, somewhere, is doing something with an iPhone that they haven’t an
asciilifeform: Closing The Analogue Hole!11111 (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
asciilifeform: the toilet thing is, iirc, an actually common failure mode.
asciilifeform: in lulz elsewhere, 'The new iPhones will be more durable than any that have come before, at least when it comes to serious corruption from water and dust. The next-gen models meet the IP67 protection standard, which is good enough to briefly drop it in a pool (or, more likely, a toilet) but not good enough to shower with regularly.'
mircea_popescu: esp if you want the shit bound. but even looseleaf.
asciilifeform: eh, 'print on demand' is ultra-cheap, i once-off code and other materials to take to the beach.
mircea_popescu: apparently the yudkowsky fellow pod' his atrocious fanfic.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Hoffa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoffa>; Hoffa (1992) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104427/>; Reel history | Hoffa : DeVito shouldn't have hassled the Hoff? | Film ...: <https://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/mar/11/jimmy-hoffa-jack-nicholson>
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/sC8F2 << in other lulz, 'Ferguson, Missouri, protest leader found shot dead in burning car: police'
mircea_popescu: i thought they're just doing that weird voice deliberately
mircea_popescu: the fucking mics!
thestringpuller: personal prefernce. i tend to like vocals on non condenser mic's cause they sound more "warm"
trinque: aha, they rip them in say 24bit/96kHz so they can hear the crackles and pops in ultra high def
mircea_popescu: yes they weren't originally digitized. if you think 1960s microphones and buzzy electronics make for a better quality...
jurov: the studio mastering has to shoehorn the record into vinyl's deficiencies (so that the tracks don't touch etc)
mircea_popescu: this seems altogether a dubious proposition seeing how for all the wankery now surrounding them, vinyl records are industrial mass products ; from a time when 8kbps was a lot.
thestringpuller: Like the rip my friend did of one of my 70's Stevie Wonder albums was like ~2 gb
thestringpuller: from all my ventures into being an audiophile at some point the analog tech produces sounds your ears can't even hear
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: early bluetooth was ~unusable entirely.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller here's a little understood bit of corporate insanity : if a dying company dies normally, it is assumed the ceo & co were idiots ; if it dies as a result of doing something large and monunemtally stupid, it is assumed the ceo & team were brave souls who caught a bad break.
asciilifeform: which is why the logitech mouse proprietary-radio thing still sells so well
asciilifeform: bluetooth sucked from the 'pairing' thing.
trinque: they're gonna beam microwaves through your skull moar now
mircea_popescu: "older" being the keyword. what happened to you know, "better".
ben_vulpes: "why ditch analog stereo headphone jacks? well, we're still smarting from losing the firewire/usb format war, so we're going to pick a fight with a defacto industry standard."
thestringpuller: "If you have a favourite pair of older earphones or headphones, you can plug them into the Lightning or USB-C jack with a little adapter. Some will have splitters so that you can charge your phone and plug in headphones simultaneously." << what the actual fuck
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: from what it sounds like they can't make money on the 3.5mm jack, so they gonna make a USB lightning adapter?!?!?
mircea_popescu: that the same will occur to "smart" phones was expected.
mircea_popescu: for anyone who spent childhood around kids comparing the "waterproofness" of their watches, by meter depth - esp kids who never went into water
asciilifeform: the korean one happened years ago
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever since koreans came out with the watertight pnoje , demonstratively shipped in a jar of water, crapple threatened same
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: They trynna to patent it cause "Square" et. al?