asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: principal reason why i went awol from ffa to shit out this horror , was the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923477 burning q
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but if we print a MIPS down the line sim-devices may be the way to do it instead of DMA everywhere
asciilifeform: the latter is easily 100x less work
asciilifeform: relatedly, i can't fathom why bellard et al decided to simulate gnarly existing physical irons , rather than patching kernel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it aint as if there were no support for mips in the classic kernel tho. ( i only had to add 100ln or so specifically to bring up the simplified sim-devices )
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 08:48 mp_en_viaje: this read mechanically failed ; i have no qualms with whoever managed to jack off to anne rice nevertheless -- but it is NOT good. even if it works for you.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924486 << Yet another plague wrought by open access to the internet. Most published sex writing done either by or for bipeds that don't have sex.
asciilifeform: ( the basic structure -- same )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 01:10 asciilifeform described, in the past, the general shape of the recipe for this -- you write e.g. small lisp in coupla kb of asm, and large 1 on that, and an adatron on the latter... etc
asciilifeform: also imho it is potentially foundation for a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892603 , likewise if the hands can be found.
asciilifeform: the published item is imho at the point where ~other~ folx could saw on it, run the dhrystone, etc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thinking about it moar, i suspect that it is possible to bake a less screamingly retarded version of bellardism , where, e.g., the 'cache' is prefilled with unconditional jumps to the sim-instructions, eliminating the decode hit
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 22:56 Mocky: lobbes if you want to relocate 3 hours east, 90% chance I can get you a job in Ral, I have a spare room you can stay in while you look for a place, ditch the dysfunction, we'll find new girls
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924303 << I appreciate this offer, ty. I've got my living arrangements and job situation under control for the short term, BUT once this is done I may indeed take you up on your offer re: finding girls. Been poking around the internet and well, it is still a shannonized ocean of wtf in this regard.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 20:12 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, you'll live. anyway, get that thing published so others can patch on it and thus lighten your own workload!
asciilifeform: this then executes.
asciilifeform: they used 'dynamic recompile' method, where the sim simulates a kind of cache. when sim-instruction fetched, it looks whether found in this cache, and if not, emits a chunk of x86olade into said segment of cache, which corresponds to 'compiled' ver. of that instr.
asciilifeform: in the actual instrs. per se (see 'mipsinst' dir.) , used conditional mov's wherever could think of how, so as to also keep pipeline full
asciilifeform: seems like there is only so much 'silk purse' that can be made from this particular sow's ear.
asciilifeform: best i could think of , was to arrange the mov.../and.../shr... etc so as to occupy the amd64 pipeline properly, in each inst. form.
asciilifeform: ( at least not on my opteron, on 2014+ theoretically could, but i dun buy those )
asciilifeform: in the beginning, thought i could at least implement the mips instruction operand decode using xmm. but ha! not that either.
asciilifeform: to add insult to injury, asciilifeform knows how to represent 'x bit lookup from x*k-bit string representing table' via arithmetic methods -- but! amd64 dun let you do full arithmetic on xmm either
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz / tlbism (aka mmu) is how os gives individual userland process the illusion of 'infinite memory, starting from addr 0', paging, etc )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well, on my opteron, they're 128bit regs (on moar recent -- 256 and even 512!) but only the lower 64 is directly addressable. and gives buncha 'simd' ops, e.g. 'shuffles' where 'take erry 7th bit and add'em' etc. but looked and looked an' found nothing that'd correspond to table lookup
asciilifeform: world's most retarded machine arch, the pc is.
asciilifeform: originally was at least gonna park the tlb ~in~ the xmm regs. but guesswat, there aint even a way, in 1 clock cycle, to get anything other than low 64bit out of'em !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924463 << on the actual iron, it happens in 1 clock cycle, cuz entirely parallel. in 'm', ends up iterating through all 16 tlb entries. i looked into using 'simd' instructions to do it, but they are ~artfully~ useless , ended up using the xmm regs strictly as fast temp storage;
asciilifeform: grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?!
asciilifeform: the way i was gonna implement the nic, is to pipe packets via linux's 'tap/tun' into a slot in the 'm' mmio space (see bus.asm) and generate slave irq (see irq.asm) . if these arrive faster than the irq can be eaten, they simply get dropped.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924470 << the sheer waste of current aside -- not sure that ~this~ : let's gedankenexperiment, and picture a 'M' running apache, under ddos:
mp_en_viaje: actually come to think of it, fuck that, ima put this in the bylines.
mp_en_viaje: there just is nobody the fuck else, not even fucking close, nor ever was. and we're not even discussing ~range~ here, the fact that i'm one and these are legion. we're simply saying that out of all humans who ever lived, nobody came even close in any way and on any direction. i own erotica like zeus owns olympus.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 08:48 mp_en_viaje: which 4. made me exclaim "what the fuck is wrong with these idiots, ~I~ am the world's greatest erotica writer, and by such a fat margin that if i were the mvp of the winning team, nobody else writing erotica would be even good enough to be accepted as last choice in one of the feeder clubs of the conference's weakest team.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924476 << this, btw, includes all, living and dead, from d. h. lawrence to whoever the fuck you wish to pick, salo 0.1 marquis de sade, jane austen, WHOEVER wilkes, beerbohm,
mp_en_viaje: and no -- no apologies for log clutter ; this imo is the exact opposite of log clutter. this is because there are no spurious details included -- if it's long, it's because the point is intricate.
mp_en_viaje: so there you go, i'd rather read you than A. N. Roquelaure ; and this isn't a rhetorical turn of phrase, it is literal description of actual historical occurrence.
mp_en_viaje: because "works for me" ain't the fucking criteria of goodness. mp being able to read through the thing, ie, CORRECTNESS, is the criteria of goodness.
mp_en_viaje: this read mechanically failed ; i have no qualms with whoever managed to jack off to anne rice nevertheless -- but it is NOT good. even if it works for you.
mp_en_viaje: 6.d.II. wtf is "darkly yellow" ; 6.d.III. wtf is "curlier than perfectly straight" ; 6.d.IV. you DO NOT wish to have her arms "covered in hair" ; then he proceeds to 6.d.V. "cut her sleeves" in the very next line, notwithstanding she was saying "arms" here, and well, i can not read this.
mp_en_viaje: 6.d. "Her ni**les were a rosy pink as were her lips, and the hair between her legs was darkly yellow and curlier than the long straight hair of her head, which covered her arms almost down to her hips on either side of her." actually killed the read, because 6.d.I. the rosy pink of the lips is NEVER THE SAME as the hue of the lips, this is 9yo coloring ; yet I have seen four digit young cunts and the two hues are alw
mp_en_viaje: 6.c. "her embroidered gown had fallen deep into the crease between her legs so that he could see he shape of her sex beneath it" produced the protestation that this woman has never seen embroidery (or, i guess, never seen girls in work out pants without panties).
mp_en_viaje: 6.b. "Her face was perfect to him" provoked protest because it's a cop out : the woman "kills two rabbits with one stone", by avoiding BOTH the work of describing her face, AND the work of explaining credibly why these two like each other. yet the job of the writer is 100% and precisely NOT to make this deal ; because if they make it, even once, then their story inescapably becomes "this is a good^H^H^H^Hgreat story'
mp_en_viaje: 6.a. "And approaching her, he gave a soft gasp as he touched her cheek, and her teeth through her parted lips, and then her tender rounded eyelids." sparked protest because ~everyone else~ is fucking decrepit and gaunt and dusted over in spider webs, so the disparity provokes in me the expectation a spider's jumping right out, antisexual 100%
mp_en_viaje: which in turn 5. provoked girly to mention anne rice, because whatever, as a virgin tween she got really hot and bothered over the princess getting sold by the prince to some merchants who stuffed her cunt fulla figs and such things.
mp_en_viaje: which 4. made me exclaim "what the fuck is wrong with these idiots, ~I~ am the world's greatest erotica writer, and by such a fat margin that if i were the mvp of the winning team, nobody else writing erotica would be even good enough to be accepted as last choice in one of the feeder clubs of the conference's weakest team.
mp_en_viaje: d Reluctant Bondage-Sex Encounter Between Stepdad and Daughter", The worlds greatest erotica writer, Kelly Leigh proudly presents "Take It For Daddy" Incredibly hot sex stories featuring stepdaughters and their stepfathers!
mp_en_viaje: (what happened was that 1. i was looking through search results for "daughter encounter", the why we'll not include as we can't regress this storytelling forever into endless past ; and then 2. ran into dude killed for being dude, which i suppose is kinda sad, but w/e, america rite ; and then 3. fell on "Take It For Daddy: A Rough an
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, don't feel too bad, this isn't "sad" just because not obviously useful ; it's glorious, because correct. id much rather read this than w/e, say yest's attempt at the claiming of sleeping beauty.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-23 13:59 mircea_popescu: they ddosed trilema, qntra etc - nothing happened ; they had their agent ddosed - that's the end of the road for him.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno how exactly you came up with some magic incantations that'll make it okay. however, to repeat this the 5th or so time : there is no magic ; it did not make it okay.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 00:58 mod6: (My apologies for the delayed response). Anyway, long story short, we're in a bit of a holding pattern on new vpatches atm.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 00:11 asciilifeform: i'ma let BingoBoingo think re whether it makes sense to offer shared hosting on a thing like that. (or whether folx will simply die of laughter)
asciilifeform off to wipe sad chalkboard , and then meat.
asciilifeform: to round off that thread -- asciilifeform strongly suspects that kernel would run 100-200x faster on the 10 $ 'ice40' than on opteron-cum-'M'
asciilifeform: conceivably there is a use for e.g. cuntoo that loads from memory snapshot in <3sec but runs 'like pentium 166'
a111: Logged on 2019-07-18 05:03 asciilifeform: at some pt somebody's gonna have to audit a snapshot of bin gnat. which wouldja rather ?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 00:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, i generate these by machine, and it takes about 3sec per. would have put it as a net-connected hopper thing aeons ago, BUT it of course uses a heathen render (there are no 'demonstrably electrically correct' pdf eaters, and i dun expect one to exist) and suffers from the obvious problem
mod6: (My apologies for the delayed response). Anyway, long story short, we're in a bit of a holding pattern on new vpatches atm.
asciilifeform updated the orig. 'm' article re subj.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 13:58 asciilifeform: revisiting upstack : hey mod6 , did 'who-gave' ever make it into flagship vtree ? ( i dun see it there ... )
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923606 << This is a neat-o vpatch 'who gave', but it came in just after the 'NO NEW WORK IN SHA PLOX'; so there are a few like this that probably will go into TRB main Vtree once the Lordship reviews/audits the proposed Keccak TRB Vtree; perhaps possibly after TRB has a new home OS/environment.
asciilifeform: afaik this is the 1st attempt to measure it, too ( i.e. with max sweat over cycles, 0 c in proggy, 0 libs, etc sim. )
asciilifeform: seems like ~this~ is the actual (vs. 'i-can't-believe-it's-not-butter' vmware et al) cost of 100% process isolation on pc.
asciilifeform: i'ma let BingoBoingo think re whether it makes sense to offer shared hosting on a thing like that. (or whether folx will simply die of laughter)
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in autolulz, nike foamposite 110.89.40.183 Submitted on 2019/07/23 at 10:44 p.m. I am commenting to make you be aware of of the fine encounter my daughter developed studying yuor web blog.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-antispychotics-and-lawyers-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Antispychotics and Lawyers. Adnotated.
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mp_en_viaje: then next time, bought 3. discovered accidentally it'll ferment itself into perfection if left out for day
mp_en_viaje: speaking of, /me bought a bottle of this very nice ginger cvas to take home one day, from this pretty cool stolle place, they make their own pies
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-school-shooting-sort-of-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another School Shooting -- Sort Of? Adnotated.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-15 01:04 mircea_popescu: Professor Chowdhry has recently proposed Financial Access at Birth (FAB) initiative in which every child born in the world is given an initial deposit of $100 in an online bank account to guarantee that everyone in the world will have access to financial services in a few decades.You can read about the initiative by clicking here..
a111: Logged on 2015-11-06 22:32 adlai: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bhagwan-chowdry/i-shall-happily-accept-th_b_8462028.html "Satoshi Nakamoto already is in possession of several hundred million U.S. dollars worth of bitcoins so the additional prize money may not mean much to him. Only if he wants, the committee could also transfer the prize money to my bitcoin address, 165sAHBpLHujHbHx2zSjC898oXEz25Awtj. Mr Nakamoto and I will settle
mp_en_viaje: Chowdhry there we go
mp_en_viaje: hey, who was the "professor" of "economics", chakashakamaka indian dude ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, bananas, yogurt, third world infant rehydration satches, and bleach for all the fomites that tolerate bleach. "alcohol rectificado ANCAP" for the fomites that don't.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: At some point you reported consuming a US-type preserved "meat" product, iirc within the last year
BingoBoingo got struck with what appears to be gastroenteritis around 5am. IIRC this is the first time in Uruguay despite the shits being the joke folks back in old country tell themselves in order to not have to write themselves the "go south" option.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-23 07:24 mp_en_viaje: i sadly forgot to link http://qntra.net/2018/03/europol-arrests-unnamed-man-for-politely-persuading-eurobanks-to-part-with-cash/ in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922441 discussion. should have had.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-round-of-the-ultimatum-game-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Round Of The Ultimatum Game. Adnotated.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-man-gets-harassed-at-an-airport-this-time-on-purpose-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Man Gets Harassed At An Airport, This Time On Purpose. Adnotated.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 15:17 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, in other lulz, nicole dredged up local blondy ex-mech engineer turned java developer (sorry mocky, chick never heard of you). she intends to start her out outsourcing comp (because hates working with idiots ; yet if challenged "what you gonna do when rich ?" she wants to come up with some garbage sorting solution, because idiots do ~nothing but produce garbage and she doesn't understand the beheadingof
mp_en_viaje: i sadly forgot to link http://qntra.net/2018/03/europol-arrests-unnamed-man-for-politely-persuading-eurobanks-to-part-with-cash/ in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922441 discussion. should have had.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-honor-killing-that-isnt-about-honor-and-even-less-about-nietzsche-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Honor Killing That Isn't About Honor, And Even Less About Nietzsche. Adnotated.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Ty, will check in the morning
shrysr: i was curious to know how you guys got together ?
mp_en_viaje: but aren't you curious to see places ? check out the calgary sluts maybe
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: hmm... by the time I got a job... All i wanted to do was work. I guess it was always a bit like that. Init was difficult... getting a car license etc... i dont know. I guess i never felt like it.
shrysr: got current job Aug 2018. Another combustion equipment mftr... as an Engg. Currently 'digitising' manual workflows...implementing an ERP system called erpnext.
shrysr: I'm a mechanical engg, by education (masters). My first 'love' was computational fluid dynamics (CFD), which is essentially simulating fluid flow on (usually) distributed computing clusters. i was into simulation driven design. Total work exp around 6 years. Spent the first 3 with a pump company in R&D doing CFD and hydraulic design.... it wasnt enough. Shifted out to 'applications engg' or technical sales
shrysr: i will setup direct publishing... and it shd be much better then. i live in a town called sundre, in Alberta. about an hour from the city calgary which I;'ve never been to
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: that link is because of my export from emacs org-mode to markdown, which was then copied into WP
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: whats it like.... hmm.... i usually say that I am ok anywhere with reasonable internet and of course a computer. For most other outsiders- its probably close to unbearable
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: heyy.. thanks for the 'voice'... though i'm not really sure right now what that means.
mp_en_viaje: hopefully these stop closing before i drown!
mp_en_viaje: i got a trackback, first thoguht wtf is this spam (cuz you know, weird literal strings), then "holy shit wut is that url structure". had a 0.3 seconds of mental chaos.
asciilifeform: sorta like ye old 'pravda', they gotta give Official Party Line, can't simply shuddup
asciilifeform: i think they made flicks for little gurls
mp_en_viaje: did they plagiarize anything
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-final-word-on-chos-mental-illness-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Final Word On Cho's Mental Illness. Adnotated.
Mocky: lobbes if you want to relocate 3 hours east, 90% chance I can get you a job in Ral, I have a spare room you can stay in while you look for a place, ditch the dysfunction, we'll find new girls
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile the headlines in women's futbol are all about the men https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/bonomi-hubo-gente-que-planifico-generar-un-problema-en-el-clasico-femenino-2019722154054
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, you'll live. anyway, get that thing published so others can patch on it and thus lighten your own workload!
lobbes_field: I may fall out of the L1 while addressing, but one thing is sure: I will absolutely fall out of the L1 if I don't. Hallucinated choice is no choice. But for now, the $saltimes call. Bbl
lobbes_field: It is my fault for simply being born with head cockroaches and failing to communicate at various levels (that trope again). Still, it has to be addressed. But you know how these things go; it takes time and attention to properly address
lobbes_field: For context, I've had a dysfunctional (as in, the buck never stops) relationship with this girl for ~8 yrs. It is a major obstacle to my simply being able to think. I.e. my private and public spheres are not aligned... at all.
lobbes_field: And seeing as how there is an ever mounting need for logotronics these days, I'm going to bump those items up to #1 on my list.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 16:19 lobbes_field: Relatedly, I'm thinking that once I produce the mod_lisp vpatch, I may just leave the rest of the cl-www project to spyked, while I instead work on a 'python/php www kit.
lobbes_field: In other words, I intend to replace the entire #eulora logotron with the python/php logotron 'glue' I intend to write: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922331
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924185 << ack. I will make it a priority publish my #eulora logotron coad. Though please note: that thing was something I hacked together back in 2015, before I even 'knew' unix/python etc. (It is ugly)
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asciilifeform: fixed on all but http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-an-education-adnotated/
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, possibly the sarisuit revolution!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the sidebar on your www seems to have run away to footer
BingoBoingo: I know it's been talked about in chan here. The naked kids 24/7 in some effort to de-sex nudity and give them all panty fetishes like the post WWII Japs
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 10:48 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in items for the bahamas folder : hey BingoBoingo guess which femstate rep is front and center https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/15/cb/9c15cb96d68cb2d990ff1356c641632d.jpg ?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924201 << Had to tell if that is Mother Merkel or pre-transition Bibi Netanyahu
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-an-education-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - An Education. Adnotated.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 18:53 asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao'
asciilifeform: ... there & elsewhere
asciilifeform: 'satellites offer the comfort of redundancy... ...lockstream isn’t launching satellites itself; it rents a small portion of the bandwidth on commercial satellites, which are mainly used for TV. The data is beamed up with enough bandwidth to ensure the blockchain stays up to date.' << pretty sure we had thread re this 'here have some inca central palace under guise of 'redundancy'' nuttery
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other lulz : the walking dead, talking about how wired read the logs and spun it into "content".
diana_coman: rewritting the appearance and carefully not mentioning anything because "it's too much to dive in"
mp_en_viaje: there possibly exists something in english outside of rewritting the republic, but i'll be damned if i know where to find it.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other lulz : [https://elaineou.com/]]the walking dead], talking about how wired read the logs and spun it into "content".
a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 19:48 diana_coman: another can of worms
mp_en_viaje: ~alternatively~, you write a glue api, taking things from logbot and putting it on your blog. may sound like a bad idea in this narrow context, but perhaps having a blog universal interfacer isn't a terrible idea, seeing how maybe theres more usecases.
diana_coman: ah, yes, certainly; I meant : if one wants several logs published on the same blog (why not, after all, not as if it can't make sense)
mp_en_viaje: so then to publish on youngthings.club the bot gotta insert into that db ; to publish on your blog, other db.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: same db as what? the youngthing is on pizarro's shared stuff; my blog is on my rockchip so separate
diana_coman: well, not like one can't replicate then for any number of channels for that matter (different category each in the db or whatevers)
mp_en_viaje: can obviously be selective, #ossasepia there, that here, whatevers.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would even make sense to publish on the younghands.club thing, classroom discussion
asciilifeform: really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction
asciilifeform: i find it odd tho, that phf et al did not genesis, wtf, phf , didja use seekrit bolix tech in there ? what's the hangup?!
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, how appealing does the following sound to you : 1. run an instance of logbot, feeding the log into your mp-wp db, so that each day is publishd as a new post ; 2. have a special category for these, such as "logs" or w/e ; add a special search page, such that if one introduces a term is fed a list of days that include it, with the term preselected in the page by url.
mp_en_viaje: really all you need is per-day search ; after that the... selection mechanism, lol! takes care of you
asciilifeform not eaten mp-wp, does not know whether it includes enableable public search function somewhere, and if so whether can be easily repurposed for by-line srch
mp_en_viaje: mp-wp entirely exists as "this thing that displays a database" thing. if you already have a thing that feeds a database, and miss athing that displays it, then mp=wp very well could be it.
mp_en_viaje: which it aint ? i got a link into the db via cmdline, why would i implement it via web ?
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje once said 'aint worth the cpu cost'
mp_en_viaje: wasn't that the problem ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what's the gain from feeding it into wp ?
mp_en_viaje: i recall there was a lisp bot, and yes then it got a logger appliance. that this is therefore "the logger" rather than the bot... i suppose we're discussing nominalisms
asciilifeform: but indeed only the back side (db feeder), no www.
mp_en_viaje: ok but that was the bot, iirc the view was "skeleton bot", not even logger specifically
asciilifeform: why phf never genesised his, wish i knew, imho it is the most feature-complete one
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: afaik the closest thing to a publication is ben_vulpes + trinque's item, where the irc and db backend was genesised , for some reason w/out the wwwistic frontend.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 23:08 asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so..
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:45 mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in items for the bahamas folder : hey BingoBoingo guess which femstate rep is front and center https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/15/cb/9c15cb96d68cb2d990ff1356c641632d.jpg ?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-an-army-of-narcissists-no-way-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - An Army of Narcissists? No Way. Adnotated.
mp_en_viaje: started all sorts of "side projects" ridiculousness, from hangouts or w/e to the above mentioned "gifee"
spyked: re. ai/ml, supposedly google uses that (and it also crawls trilema.com), but it's useless most of the time. i recall wasting hours finding some particular piece via google, then discovering it by manually crawling or via logs
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:59 mp_en_viaje: if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
spyked: re. trilema compiler, I wonder what became of hanbot's http://thewhet.net/2018/01/the-trilema-article-database-a-toollet/ . was afaik the only attempt at indexing trilema
mp_en_viaje: wth is this bullshit, anyway! left to own devices how about we just driftwood forever into nothingness! when i discovered a problem with mp-wp, at night in fucking minsk, i was also ~publishing~ a solution the next fucking morning, what the everloving fuck already.
mp_en_viaje: after which ima simply start banning loggers in channel ; and i'll have a very dim oppinion of everyone involved -- for very good cause! ; and i guess then have someone else make a proper logger, which will become mandatory because i'm not authorizing new ones until the old one fucks up.
mp_en_viaje: i guess ~optionally~ next-day service for any asking lord, in lieu of actual publishing -- which is a cop-out i will close my eyes upon for a limited time in the future. but in general, if you're not willing to share code within the l1, you have no business here at all.
mp_en_viaje: irrespective of what "i am supposed to do", what i'm going to do is this : ima give everyone a ~short~ interval to bring their log stacks up to speed, meaning ~absolutely~ a complete and ready to use v-tree (even if it's just one genesis, like idiots) that they can send any asking lord -- and i don't give a flying fuck how "proud" you are of the code you're using, you're what you do not what you say, or what you imagine yourself you wish to be. that
mp_en_viaje: if i have a lord on the record asking for service TWO WEEKS AGO and bupkiss, what am i supposed to do ? tell them "sorry, this is the republic we don't have fish at..." like in the old joke ?!
mp_en_viaje: it's one thing to "not want to publish your code" ; not particularly respectable, at all, but whatever. if you do that, however, YOU MUST PROVIDE THE SERVICE. if you don't publish the code (even by the very modest yet perfectly acceptable standard of shipping an encrypted bundle to the asking lord) and you don't provide the service, then what the fuck are you doing ?
spyked: initial item that sent me out on wwwistics was the image pastebin that mp_en_viaje suggested
spyked: granted, I never set out to publish a logger www, but given the constant need and lack, I'll add it to my list
spyked: mp_en_viaje, diana_coman: from my side, the infrastructure isn't ready, that is, the www server and possibly other pieces that I don't know about yet
mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 16:18 lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922319 << currently there exists no logotron web publishing glue. spyked is currently making headway on the 'cl-www kit' tho >> http://www.thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html
diana_coman: given http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922329 and the total lack of answer even on http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922318 - what is the idea here with logging infrastructure ?
mp_en_viaje: JIT stack over here at the republican forum! now all you gotta do is orchestrate it!
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:24 mp_en_viaje: by the time dood gets to http://trilema.com/2016/the-text-and-the-piddly-recantion/?b=Great&e=shit.#select it's FUCKING OBVIOUS why. "because this way, if the host you're parasitizing has any resources, you'll be promoted into an "orchestrator" and have 8-12 people (which can in the future expand into 8-12 teams) working under you. IT'S THE FUTURE!
diana_coman: ha, I read the logs this morning and guess what - that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924167 ref is precisely what I was looking for (to hit a young enthusiast over the head with)
mp_en_viaje: or rather, it's the ~only possible future~ for the "workman" of marx and ziggler, sure as fuck the republic ain't about to give them "jobs" to "write about immigration".
mp_en_viaje: by the time dood gets to http://trilema.com/2016/the-text-and-the-piddly-recantion/?b=Great&e=shit.#select it's FUCKING OBVIOUS why. "because this way, if the host you're parasitizing has any resources, you'll be promoted into an "orchestrator" and have 8-12 people (which can in the future expand into 8-12 teams) working under you. IT'S THE FUTURE!
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in imperial news, i was re-reading 2016 and holy hell do three years make it obvious : the empire drones have optimized computing into "computing", whith a very obvious end goal of... making up more jobs!
mp_en_viaje: in short, i believe the ai-childrens' books are already written, just about. now if someone could just please get pregnant with an ai and deliver it to some sort of term, why... that'd be tits.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 17:41 asciilifeform: ( if you have ~any correlation in the independent bitstreams , you won't converge . the academiderps tried to get around this by using constructed prng's, had the expected result -- buncha dead trees and 0 working devices )
mp_en_viaje: similar datasets might of course be constructed deliberately ("take all research paper in x field organized by etvos number or refcount or some metric"), but then they are... wrong! you end up constructing a dataset on some kind or manner of "global warming", which makes it exactly like "vampire fiction" or any other popcultural category, an exercise in kitsch fiction, meaning your ai will not work, for f
mp_en_viaje: but for the other, infinitely more important point -- of structure. this is natively digital, it wasn't digitized, it never existed in any other form. this shows, and not just because it links itself and it footnotes itself and structures itself deliberately in countless ways.
mp_en_viaje: for one thing, the sheer volume -- larger things can be collected, but then they'd have to be of much lower coherence, something like "the gutenberg database of english literature" ; while similarily coherent things also exist (tho i'd argue it's still a "5, 3, 7, 2 and 4 are similar to 179" sort of similarity) but then they'd have to be much, much tinier.
mp_en_viaje: upon meditation, i do not believe there exists throughout the history of human culture a better dataset to train "ai"/"machine learning" upon.
mp_en_viaje: if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
mp_en_viaje: what the fujck will i do with this disaster, the constant problem of "fuck me, now i can't find it" is one part ; the other part's that well... even when i think i know exactly what i want, an ever growing possibility is that in fact i don't, there's a better option i'm just not thinking of.
mp_en_viaje: y discussion ; though im pretty sure i've used other reference points in discussions where this'd have workded better.
mp_en_viaje: "If you intend to spend your life avoiding objectification, you by that fact and necessarily will spend your life avoiding culture, wisdom, power and respect." tsk. the sad result of that re-read being a growing conviction that as trilema grows larger, the quality of my references grows weaker. i never used http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/?b=If%20you%20in&e=respect#select as a reference point in an
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
mp_en_viaje: hink I just took a guess? This isn't the first time this game has been played, there've been over 100 generations of Guess What Happens Next and it is the exact same answer every single time. All of this has happened before and it will happen again."
mp_en_viaje: "You're thinking, "I don't want to hear about how everything is interpretable through the artificial paradigm of narrative structure--" as if it was me and not your god who made it this way, as if I was better able to invent a convenient fiction that happened to apply to you rather than describe a process that's been used for millennia. You think you're the first? You think no one but you has lived your life? Do you think you are so unique? Do you t
mp_en_viaje: well, guess what ? https://theumlaut.com/ died back in 2015. as ballas SO APTLY put it,
mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
mp_en_viaje: nicoleci btw rereading http://trilema.com/2019/zece-mii-de-kilometri-de-filme-or-ten-thousand-kilometers-worth-of-movies-either-way/ it occurs to me, download fracture and bad times at el royale
mp_en_viaje: keks. remember back when flying a flag meant something ? back in the days of richard cobden an' the 4 night parliament debate on the 2nd opium war ?
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/07/panama-disowns-the-other-tanker-seized-by-iran/ << Qntra -- Panama Disowns The Other Tanker Seized By Iran
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-amy-schumer-offers-you-a-look-into-your-soul-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Amy Schumer Offers You A Look Into Your Soul. Adnotated.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 06:12 trinque: nah, I'm told my head wasn't as squashy as they often are
BingoBoingo: Congrat bvt. Comment summarizing the 2016 convo
mp_en_viaje: In any case, the 2016 premonition did come true : we do in fact now have a decent working statement of what the problem'd be with "the form of christianity you were importing there" : by its fruits we know it as a silly concoction of pointless waste, producing nothing, good for nothing [of this world], entirely meaningless and pointedly indistinguishable from "postmodern art" or whatever other diseases of the overfed. It'll suck you dry while you've
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 22:35 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron at the very least the devil can't testify. who cares what the usg thinks you've done, nobody's liable to ask it, nor may it likely acquire a voice without losing itself.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 22:27 mircea_popescu: i suspect much more serious sticking points will come the other way. specifically, i suspect tmsr to be a larger intellectual force than whosoever darwin fish is, as a temporal rather than spiritual matter. consequently, the sticking point will not be inferences from him limiting us, but inferences from us driving him up the wall. for instance, obvious possible sticking point being that in tmsr doctrine, it is a sin to engage
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 05:55 mircea_popescu: so your plan for the ~rest of your life is to sit on a patch of dirt in ok and basically wait ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Perhaps http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803233 gets around the sterility point
mp_en_viaje: because i'm such a carefully innovative and polishedly expressive fellow, i never fucking use the same words for anything, for my sins.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 19:07 mircea_popescu: trinque, "go to church" doesn't begin to describe it. here's the story as condensed by intel :
mp_en_viaje: except, of course, none of the words match
mp_en_viaje: yes, but no. it was quite in the format, "by its poisonous fruits will we know this church was actually devil's work" or somesuch.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 19:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881489 << then, logically, it belongs read by the feedbot of the channel of your church. just because the http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 problem doesn't mean you get to assuage your evident awareness of what a shithead your bf is by hanging out with the cool chicks and pretending to some sort of comunion. go, get the tards off the mud they've been packin
mp_en_viaje: so somewhere i told dpb that the false nature of his church thingee will become evident in time, through its poisonous fruits, in the shape of its complete sterility. but, of course, cant fucking find this anymore. anyone have it /
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-am-radio-kids-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - AM Radio Kids. Adnotated.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-all-girls-school-or-coed-which-is-better-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - All Girls School Or Coed? Which Is Better? Adnotated.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-little-bird-told-me-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Little Bird Told Me. Adnotated.
diana_coman: ftr I used above vpatch and vdiff from phf's vtools at http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ; is there anything newer that I missed somehow?
diana_coman: in the patch (it's p2.vpatch in there), it's clear that the hashes are the same for the file so it IS the same file.
diana_coman: here's the test patch and the run, respectively: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oxfeV/?raw=true and http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kLwrq/?raw=true
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-generational-pathology-narcissism-is-not-grandiosity-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Generational Pathology: Narcissism Is Not Grandiosity. Adnotated.
bvt: hello. i'll be traveling this week, the end result is supposed to be a working trb node; i don't expect that any other productive work will be done otherwise. bvt_away is the account that i may switch to during this time.
mp_en_viaje: or, i suppose, from the other perspective, it's a wonder minsk people haven't taken over the literary world yet.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, holy shit adnotating tlp's fucking addictive
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-after-you-shoot-three-women-who-should-you-call-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - After You Shoot Three Women, Who Should You Call?. Adnotated.
trinque: feh, ok. time to ditch the singaporean box.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-final-thought-on-chos-mental-illness-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Final Thought On Cho's Mental Illness. Adnotated.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-advertisings-collateral-damage-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Advertising's Collateral Damage. Adnotated.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/20/the-young-hands-club/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Young Hands Club
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-130042 << in other news, billymg had great refinement for whole thing, ditched troublemaking a tag!
BingoBoingo: Feel free to use whatever tools you want to backup the database
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm not familiar with crontab, but your db user has full privileges on the mp-wp blog's database
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: would there be any problem from pizarro's point of view to have such a thing?
diana_coman dislikes the noise, lol.
mp_en_viaje: so let them brag, what's it cost anyone.
diana_coman: it's also the sort of thing that is on the checklist of douchebags-style aka trivial to break and "rara"