a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 15:12 mircea_popescu: very weird, the list of nonsense these people sprout. it's as if they have 0 reflexive capacity whatsoever, how am i supposed to distinguish google "ai" from some douche who spits out " Your style of just summarily shitting on how the author wrote this piece adds no value to the discussion." ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560575 << it is the same here. these creatures have precisely zero internality. they are built entirely for the input of commands.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ahahaha the new civil servant gang strategy : prosecute clinton a la vapeur so obama can pardon her and she gets double jeopardy protection. << It's alright. She can roam free while she watches the rest rot in jail starting with Huma Weiner.
trinque: Afraid that I'll be perceived as anti feminist << yes, deprived of the dulap.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha the new civil servant gang strategy : prosecute clinton a la vapeur so obama can pardon her and she gets double jeopardy protection.
asciilifeform: '“While demeaning, insulting, and ridiculing minorities, immigrants, and the physically/mentally disabled worked for Mr. Trump, I want to be clear that this behavior -- and these views -- have no place at Grubhub,” Maloney explained. Adding, if it were up to him, Trump would have been fired a long time ago. "Had he worked here, many of his comments would have resulted in his immediate termination.”'
ben_vulpes: over here you only go to public school if you can't afford the private ones
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid, not going to public school was pretty much a public admission of mental retardation. "oh, poor ionescus, their kid has to go to that fingerpainting no grades private thing."
mircea_popescu: how do you think you'll get your drugs in your old age if you don't give him a chance to learn the biz when he's young ?
ben_vulpes: very few things beat winding up the girls, but winding up my parents over this miserable horseshit is fantabulously fun.
mircea_popescu: it's שנויץ for the love of fuck. /ʃnawt͡s/. wtf is schnoz.
asciilifeform: well, in the womanities.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a particular phenotype, lots of'em here for some reason, largely in 'university' for 'education'
ben_vulpes: was there a particular timestamp of glory, asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: what gave it away, the noses ?
ben_vulpes: with the cops in front
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja watch the circus i filmed ? got similar one in ben_vulpeslandia ?
asciilifeform: people come factory-standard with this penny in the fuse socket, 'i KNOW how...'
a111: Logged on 2016-11-11 00:20 mircea_popescu: the inuitive approach (oh ~obviously~ i know what a string is, just like when anne sexton writes in her spiral notebook amirite ?) utterly fails ; and even in the hands of very subtle thinkers it can explode loudly - witness the many day disagreement with alf over the matter of utf/ansi, which unearthed disputes all the way to the greek ikonoclasm and the fundaments of literacy/alphabet.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565826 << almost any quasi-serious learning is about throwing nonsense out of one's head re 'i KNOW HOW IT WORX', whether 'i know how digestion works', 'money', 'arithmetic'
mircea_popescu: girl to the left is topless but sadly can't get it all in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah they're pretty cute.
asciilifeform: the wetness of water, surely, subject also to POLICYMAKERS
mircea_popescu: china ~is~ extremely soft however, so they may permit.
asciilifeform: it is spoken in such a way that implies that if 'policymakers' made 'policy' to this effect, electrons would cease to spin in their orbits
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ironically, that is not up to him. china decides there ; anyone who wants to keep their credit line will conform, and that includes the us.
asciilifeform: the way a dctard pronounces word 'policy' is something that must be experienced with own ears.
mircea_popescu: (guy's a primo idiot, should be the poster child of the whole "bureaucracy lost touch" thing. "here's a slapstick with a lot of facial reconstructive surgery")
ben_vulpes: and the tpp too i hope!
mircea_popescu: (at least, everyone, literally, thinks he will, so the other participants won't partiicpate, so paris is dead.
asciilifeform: it is very difficult to convey how these people talk
mircea_popescu: (laugh at me if you will at my homely simplicity, but to me that example is sufficient proof that the language is not practically useful. if even for the purpose of didactic example it requires the chicken-in-vacuum notion of an eating cycle which is based on hamburger quanta...)
mircea_popescu: i didn't make it that far, shipwrecked over the eat hamburger thing
asciilifeform: even 'labview', cosmetically similar, i can see how wins, it shortens 'ooda loop' to ~0 because the circuits can be tested in 'real time' with wysywyg blinkenlights. but this -- i've nfi.
asciilifeform: but to go upstack --- i see, e.g., this, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Quicksort_DRAKON.png , and have nfi how the thing wins.
asciilifeform: (refal is what happened when su academics went 'they lisp? us too! but CATCH UP AND OUTRUN AMERIKKA'
pete_dushenski appreciates all the framework building, as ever, and is off to the mountains for the long weekend. cheers.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> plumbing is not difficult in the intellectual sense. but is question of how much shit you can stand to be soaked in. << Also how to sweat connections without burning the shit out of surroundings
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's vaguely regrettable no one with an old dogde pick-up ran. then he could have driven it all the way over to the wh and park it on the lawn. << Naturally because I'd be replaceing the lawn with better grass. Make Grass Green Again!
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/10/socially-responsible-investing-or-how-i-told-you-so-doesnt-pay-the-bills/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “Socially Responsible Investing”, or how I told you so doesn’t pay the bills.
ben_vulpes: suspected, hence the hesitant forth putting
jurov: heh no. you draw and fill in the flowchart and it generates code in usual language
mircea_popescu: certainly might explain why code bloat is so commonly the result of college-educated engineer employment.
mircea_popescu: jurov iknowright! "the economy is fine, we just don't know how any of the parts work. also we understand the brain and we sequenced the genome. btw the global warming"
mircea_popescu: the inuitive approach (oh ~obviously~ i know what a string is, just like when anne sexton writes in her spiral notebook amirite ?) utterly fails ; and even in the hands of very subtle thinkers it can explode loudly - witness the many day disagreement with alf over the matter of utf/ansi, which unearthed disputes all the way to the greek ikonoclasm and the fundaments of literacy/alphabet.
jurov: strings are fine, but the characters. noone knows what character is.
trinque: jurov: I would've stayed in the school that taught those.
pete_dushenski: jurov: ok. then what did you learn after that was a better framework ?
trinque: and further back, even!
trinque: ftr I am a college dropout, and it turns out books from the 80s can still be had.
asciilifeform: plumbing is not difficult in the intellectual sense. but is question of how much shit you can stand to be soaked in.
trinque: more advisable would be to pick a thing to build, and then beat yourself against this problem until either breaks
pete_dushenski: jurov: ya not saying formal education is the be all and end all, far from it (hell, i'm even reluctant to register 'resp' for chiltin), just that, if done well, it can provide a framework for further learning. otherwise its markov chains with no grounding.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-10 23:56 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << for your entomological pleasure, this is an example of an elementary cs discussion that intrigues me and i ~want~ to understand yet requires afaics zero math. the logs abound with other examples of 'this language does this but not that and is therefore better suited for the other thing' that i (perhaps naively) deem valuable despite not having a ready application
pete_dushenski: in other news, usg doesn't want to call michigan for trump or what ? final tally will be 306-228.
pete_dushenski: anyways, phf's line is but one example. the corpse that was my 'trb history' should serve as the only proof required that i have deeply nfi which way is up in the cs field and that is has ~zero to do with maths.
pete_dushenski: for the knowledge in my kulak lyf.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:52 phf: and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << for your entomological pleasure, this is an example of an elementary cs discussion that intrigues me and i ~want~ to understand yet requires afaics zero math. the logs abound with other examples of 'this language does this but not that and is therefore better suited for the other thing' that i (perhaps naively) deem valuable despite not having a ready application
mircea_popescu: "theory of relativity used no math beyond highschool, so why didn't you come up with it" is a horrible reason to beat up your teenager some night in 1915.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point you elude here is that education is not so much about gaining things as it is about losing them. it's like washing not like book implants.
asciilifeform: lel i'm in a diner and there's a screen showing continued protest derpage
pete_dushenski: the shit ?! i went to french immersion not cs immersion!!!1
a111: Logged on 2016-11-10 22:54 pete_dushenski: i'm a bit far behind to be a total cs head anyways, just trying to keep up with some of the convos.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565762 << veeeery few of these were > 4th grade level , pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: it worked on asciilifeform and bunch of other chumps
mircea_popescu: so then wut lol
asciilifeform: the quoted bit
asciilifeform: lol i recall that one, it was one of the smoke bombs he threw to make readers think he were a chick
mircea_popescu: ollege. If you are going to college to get an education and not to meet guys, you are insane, literally insane, delusional, in reality one is never going to happen and the other is going to happen anyway, and you could have gotten both for free at a bookstore. Worked for me. The only question for the future single mom is whether it's worth $XXXXXX a year to meet guys, and the answer is of course it's not, even nightclubs l
mircea_popescu: "Of course I'm not happy about this, I like smart people, but that's the new reality. There was a time where women went to college to get an MRS degree, and I am telling you that that time is today, there is nothing else of value in there. Sure, some college women go on to become doctors and CEOs, and some go on to become child pornographers and Salon writers, none of those things have anything to do with what happened in c
pete_dushenski: as to scary things, i can see it. and believe it or not i'm doing just this on meatspace projects. just have to kill a few dragons to get to the (republican) princess.
pete_dushenski: i'm a bit far behind to be a total cs head anyways, just trying to keep up with some of the convos.
mircea_popescu: just do things. especially the things that are big and scary. that'd be a better statement.
mircea_popescu: the point however IS to get people to do things that ... well, "out of confort zone" is the common expression, but it's unserviceable for at least two reasons.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski mind that the point isn't by any means to turn everyone into a cs head. those are probably oversupplied.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ya, i can take it easy on the barfbombs. am also taking ug cs course to fill in the holes in my education. not likely to lisp anytime this decade but working towards being a more useful citizen of the republic. bbet seemed like potential avenue. your ancient suggestion to serve as marketing agent for tmsr-related entities isn't forgotten but meatwot obligations currently prevent its pursuit,
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/Shq9z << in vague lulz : romanian immigrant (from small town in romania's own rust belt) living in az and working as a rent-a-cop voted trump. his declared principal issue : "the stability of world peace".
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/kids-born-after-the-world-went-to-shit-arent-progressive-theyre-just-lazy/ << Trilema - Kids born after the world went to shit aren't progressive. They're just lazy.
Framedragger: phf: in truth, not sure if coffeescript had source maps back then
Framedragger: i remember having to debug frontend code (which i wasn't supposed to touch in the first place), looked at JS exceptions, didn't make any sense, until realized that it was "compiled from coffeescript". asked "lead frontend engineer" how do i debug, he said he'll check and sort it himself, "it's not really debuggable". OK.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'm with the "Shouldn't even be counted" side.
asciilifeform: and, while the illness may be curable, it is rather like serious alcoholism, leaves its mark, cannot be forgotten.
Framedragger: it's a shame that large part of 'infrastructure' is built and run by those teenagers. then again maybe it shouldn't even be counted to be part of anything.
asciilifeform: javascript does not exemplify anything -- other than the consequences of letting idiot 'esl' teenagers create infrastructure.
Framedragger: The language was absolutely not designed for programming in the large, and our implementation decisions, performance targets, and so on, were based on that assumption. [Goes on to show just how insanely dynamic JS is, and how it's mostly suitable for one-liners, etc.]"
Framedragger: (I worked on the original versions of JScript at Microsoft from 1996 through 2001.) The by-design purpose of JavaScript was to make the monkey dance when you moused over it. Scripts were often a single line. We considered ten line scripts to be pretty normal, hundred line scripts to be huge, and thousand line scripts were unheard of.
Framedragger: dynamically typed and a language also lacking all the other facilities that make lowering the cost of maintaining a large codebase easier"
Framedragger: 1) preamble: "[...] there is a strong correlation between a language being
Framedragger: for the logs - nothing new - but was a nice short summary - http://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/221615/why-do-dynamic-languages-make-it-more-difficult-to-maintain-large-codebases/221658#221658 - regarding JS:
mircea_popescu: not worth the mention
mircea_popescu: the problem, predictably, is that we have dedicated cs people and very loosely associated everyone-elses.
asciilifeform: gotta invent the pieces.
asciilifeform: the other thing, also from mircea_popescu's toolkit, that'd make this readily work, is the meta-isp thing
mircea_popescu: ignoring machine gun is a matter of action ; pretending no machine gun is a matter of thought. might as well not understand the difference between camming and dating.
mircea_popescu: if it is you have serious problems with thought generally. the second is two things.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the 'plug embrasure' approach -- worx
asciilifeform: the distinction between 'march, men, into machine gun fire, plug embrasure with your sorry arse' and 'pretend no machine gun' is perhaps too subtle for my orc brain
mircea_popescu: that's exactly how you solve the problem of housing yourself. you declare the "alf non-housing board" impotent.
mircea_popescu: ie, declare usg impotent and act accordingly. "oh, they'll shut you down" "whatever, i'll open another".
asciilifeform: isn't this kinda how mircea_popescu proposes to solve the problem of isp compulsion by meat sovereigns ? 'pretend not problem'
mircea_popescu: the solving a problem by pretending the problem doesn't exist, in whatever flavour may the pretense come, is not solving anything.
asciilifeform: one component that would vastly simplify the job is gossip net.
mircea_popescu: this is pure elliotism, "the lack of women willing to marry poor people is not mega-puzzle".
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'd like to see 'tmsr isp' just as much as anyone. but the lack of berserkers willing to subsist on crumbs for ~0 ev, doing largely ~uninteresting and difficult chore, solely in the name of tmsr, is not mega-puzzle.
mircea_popescu: purely arbitrary, there's no principled argument to be had here.
mircea_popescu: mine happens to be at "i'll have house and isp and other things too."
mircea_popescu: so then. your arbitrary line is at "i will have house but not isp". his line is at "i will not have house or isp".
asciilifeform: and diogenes in turn beat the shit out of g. laddel..!1111
mircea_popescu: because hey, the dick that's not up my ass this moment never existed or somesuch.
asciilifeform: 'spam isp' is an actual thing, they live, die. my (nonexpert) impression is that the business model is only barely +ev. sorta resembles (btc) mine.
mircea_popescu: it's a fascinating thing that you don't give up on housing on this (gabriel laddel does - and you don't realise he is for the reason better than you ON YOUR OWN TERMS) but do give up on computer hosting for this.
mircea_popescu: if you get kicked out... you'll need another one ?
asciilifeform: it ignores, and gets blackholed, then you need new one
mircea_popescu: no, do me a favour and take OFF the gas mask.
mircea_popescu: "by me ignoring the matter". "fine. so ignore it for isp too."
mircea_popescu: dude... your pretense is very fascinating in theory ; but in practice you somehow manage to make an unprincipled exception which apparently is entirely mysterious to you.
asciilifeform: house isn't trying to serve 13333333337w4r3z by the petabyte, neh?
asciilifeform: the part that isn't clear to me is how it can be simultaneously -- a) 'tmsr'-friendly b) not owned & operated by a meat sovereign
mircea_popescu: look, at issue is not whether you want to do it or why. at issue is that much like opening a pizzeria, there is this thing called an isp.
asciilifeform: 'cuckoldtronic' isp as suggested not long ago by mircea_popescu , with the virii, is viable.
asciilifeform: upstream 'l3', 'at&t', etc. stoolies, keep whatever log they like.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/hBFcT >> 'President-Elect Donald Trump’s advisers are considering JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon for Treasury secretary, CNBC reported, citing two people familiar with the matter. Dimon isn’t interested, one of the people told CNBC.'
asciilifeform: '"If Ms. Rodham's not in the White House, that's okay — one of those girls is going to be,” she said. “We still have millions of nasty women who aren't going away.”'
asciilifeform: in other lulz:
asciilifeform: (for approx. same reason that there is not , at least in modern era, open, brazen, ru warez ftp; or even north kr warez.)
asciilifeform: it would not astonish me if after recent 'snackbar' event at their airport, it will begin to resemble baltimore's
mircea_popescu: watch those people process > 1k travellers/minute ; watch yourself get through the single file immigrations queue within ~12 minutes, as a new airbus/boeing lands every OTHER minute dumping 500 more people behind you.
asciilifeform: was quite same in, say, germany, last i was there
mircea_popescu: also entirely bush-usg thing. has nothing to do with anything but the insanity.
asciilifeform: (the other thing that moves very slowly in passenger ship is the queue at the 911port. but that is a more recent thing.)
asciilifeform: mainly the fault of parallax, anyone who has sat in a passenger plane will notice the ground, when visible, moves so very slowly.
asciilifeform: re the trains, i also recall reading of a similar dissatisfaction with 'modern' (sealed cabin) airplane, vs classic one
mircea_popescu: no, the result will be a bunch of billions of idiots doing stupid shit to innocent women that happen to be around
mircea_popescu: and if today we were to make slave republic, the result won't be you know, this is the island of slave republic, mthat is the island of progressive empire, that is the etc.
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike modern tgv traveler who longs for ancient train, where landscape was distinguishable not a blur. and you could spot foxes from the carriage.
asciilifeform: modern folk do secretly long for ancient world, where the palette still had all of the colours
asciilifeform: and had to march in the gurl to prove she had not been impaled..
mircea_popescu: which makes paul little both notable and an artist, exactly in the way of say dali ; and unlike all the other dorks and philisitnes ever involved (yours truly included)
asciilifeform: who filmed the 'impalement' scene
mircea_popescu: the typical max hardcore shot is, short woman who's a new face (unlike you know, stoya, distinctive pornstar, who everyone instantly recognizes) in garish 12 yo make-up (you know, the thick, deeply cloroed stuff they sell in gas stations in the south) saying she's 12, playing the dumb soubrette, being assfucked, fisted, spit on, drinking piss out of her own anus via intubation etc.
mircea_popescu: understand, up until that point he was periodically raided and the charges hung the jury / got dismissed. i use the 2005 govt raid / 2007 indictment to date the end of the vhs america in the practical sense - it went from larry flynt being the hero to paul little being the heel.
asciilifeform: and now that you said it, it makes sense to me, the envy is of the harem, not the usd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik there are even today occasional trials of 'pornographers' in usa, these are normally bones thrown to 'christian' electorate.
mircea_popescu: i also imagine the girls are still paying him visits, incredibly enough i guess he was actually well liked by the talent (unlike much more "upstanding" producers for instance)
GustaveGold: was reading the logs since a while and trilema itself
mircea_popescu: old man, i imagine what all other old men do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any idea whether 'hardcore' did his entire time ? or was let go on appeal.
mircea_popescu: and the "eh, THE COUNTRY" delusional notion one can live in the us is entirely fuelled by the 20+ years of max hardcore shooting his repugnant shit undisturbed.
mircea_popescu: as if it makes the first whit of difference that someone's offended. pssshhh
mircea_popescu: it's 10+ years in the making, and it was made out of dumb shit like this originally.
mircea_popescu: no, they just wanted max hardcore to apologize to the fuckwits. which is HOW this entire "cornell cry-in" thing got started
asciilifeform: nah, the bezzlars
mircea_popescu: imagine that dumb shit, "apologizing for offending the people of florida".
asciilifeform: (if memorable-name-whateverthefuck manipulation took 3 milliseconds and cost 0, it would be trivial to move warez site as often as you like)
mircea_popescu: trinque i had soldier isp back in the porn days (when it was "unacceptable" to the squares, but little going to jail over fucking girls in girly make-up to vomit was unthinkable).
asciilifeform: this'd be more of a 'why does restaurant kitchen have mice, looksy, intel's fab floor doesn't' 'are you ready to pay $50,000 a gram for the potato?'
mircea_popescu: "why is there ddos ?" "did you want cheap internet or didn't you ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a very theoretical principle, this. the mechanisms involved in the practical discussion, however, aren't nearly there. just simple cash starvation, "why is roach motel full of roaches!" "because you're paying $8 a night"
mircea_popescu: exactly same issue with "progressive" pseudo-thought : the people they most hurt are the people who try to most help them.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/03/shame.html << great read on this topic, btw. grep for "and the risk of sex addiction isn't that you contact a disease, it's that you spread the disease."
asciilifeform: i.e. glued to the fiatdom(s) in which it physically runs.
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack , isp in the traditional sense, as i understand it , is 'castle'
mircea_popescu: nope, just another anodyne "social media" tard who really really thinks he can do things. and who - exact mirror of the trump situation - manages to hurt the people who credit him and no one else.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to be somehow able to charge enough for servers to pay some dude 150 an hour to read random crapolade copy/pasted by nobody on the internet ?
asciilifeform: ah then yes.
mircea_popescu: and going to trial in california is no sort of punishment of the state of california.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 17:18 mircea_popescu: (short version : lawyer lobby added law on books that allows them to sue anything that doesn't have a warning label on ; there's 0 enforcement from anyone but the lawyer mafia ; and for that matter no penalty for mislabeling anything ; consequently all of california is today a huge sticker reading "this item is known to the state of california to cause cancer")
mircea_popescu: no, actually, it concerned an isp which, like any other isp, can't afford to actually pay a lawyer to read all the legalse spam being thrown their way. the guilty party here is the state of california, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524561
mircea_popescu: moreover, you say money is not adequate punishment ? take me through the margins, explain this to me.
asciilifeform: iirc the dispute concerned a derp who enforced a nonexistent dmca claim
mircea_popescu: PeterL too bad nobody is reading / has read trilema for the past however many years. hurr.
PeterL: from comments on link I posted a minute ago: "Any college receiving public funding - what college doesen't?- should have their funding immediately frozen if they don't take an immediate, corrective action." < seems commenters have the same idea as mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: nono. let's go through this story because the republic's failure to create an isp is one of the largest stains on its cheek, so i'm sure the discussion will be instructive.
mircea_popescu: moreover, commercial litigation is bundled/sold/bought as so much negotiable paper. it's almost never the original parties that are involved, much like your 20 bux for a boxed cd set dun go to the artist.
mircea_popescu: also, for fairness/completeness : if you actually go to trial over a minor commercial case where a reasonable settlement offer is on the table (provided you somehow find a lawyer to do this which is not actually trivial) the judge will throw molotov cocktails at you.
mircea_popescu: ie, there's flowers, of which few will carry fruit into the world ; they all knock on life's door, then most wither, dead.
asciilifeform: ( was there a trial ? )
mircea_popescu: i say it, it's mandatory for them. nobody cares if they like it or not, or understand it or not. wtf is this, lalaland ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose it was ok for the reddit hordes to not read that. because why ? and i suppose it was acceptable for college kids to NOT LEARN IT. since when is self-directed education a thing ? and why would it be ?
mircea_popescu: to quote 2015 : http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-i-ended-up-suing-phoenix-nap-llc-on-how-ira-r-cadwells-mom-stephanies-going-to-lose-her-chula-vista-home-on-how-marcus-bohn-is-going-to-catch-a-lot-of-shit-for-that-on-assorted-othe/#selection-193.627-217.246
a111: Logged on 2016-11-09 20:30 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/1fqR8 << 'And it’s our duty and our responsibility as entrepreneurs, as citizens of the f—— world, to make sure that s— does not happen. '
mircea_popescu: nobody asks this. who the fuck cares what is on twitter ? and what difference does twitter make ?
mircea_popescu: more importantly : how the fuck "calexit" being on twitter makes it "a thing to cover" ?
asciilifeform: ifornia is "blue" because electoral votes are an all-or-nothing thing. In reality, Donald Trump got about 3 million of the 9 million votes cast for president in California. Those votes for Trump don't matter, though. '
asciilifeform: from same fishwrap, 'But post-election, there were a bunch of tweets from people saying they thought California should secede from the union, and so #CalExit became a thing to cover. Here's the thing about this particular secession movement—it is utterly oblivious to the ideological diversity within the state, thanks to the wholesale Democratic domination of the government due to population density in urban coastal communities. Cal
asciilifeform: they all grew in cultural vacuum created by sucking black hole of americana.
asciilifeform: i dunno that there exist on planet3 'innocent barbarian'
mircea_popescu: i have no use for americana, yes. but the only way 3rd world shitholes can become even vaguely digestibles is throuigh a lot of americana.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure this would help. i have a huge helping of "innocent barbarians" right here, and the obvious solution is for them to... first eat up 50 years of hollywood then we'll talk.
asciilifeform: hence the babylon example. picture chix with 0 hollywood exposure.
mircea_popescu: because where is there this wise 22yo woman ffs.
mircea_popescu: this being another thing most (western) men never think about : a sexual preference for young women NECESSARILY connotes a sexual preference for fucking derps with mistaken notions about the world.
asciilifeform: even dirigible does not magic away the problem, it could even be that mircea_popescu would much more enjoy fucking ancient babylonian gurlz, whose training could take a week instead of a year, no 'gargauni' in the head to start with, but they are not available.
mircea_popescu: god how i'd cancel their funding.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the discussion there wasn't "i'd rather" but "i prefer". which things also aren't equal. i rather all sorts of things i don't prefer all the time, it's the key to sanity and male reproductive health.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "between 1980 and 1990 i went to bed with 244 women of which 179 were blond, therefore i prefer blond women" ; it's quite another thing to say "when i dream up a dream girl, she's blonde".
asciilifeform: by that token, it is just as foolish to say that i would rather visit mars than venus, given as i have flown to 0 planets ?
mircea_popescu: moeover, there's an important distinction most people don't think of : if you've fucked under a few hundred women, one's "preference" doesn't exist as such ; they're discussing their ~projection~ of a preference, which isn't the same thing. not even remotely similar in fact.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's really no sense in "evolutionary" takes on individual sexual preference.
mircea_popescu: consider running after retirement, apparently that's all the rage nowadays.
mircea_popescu: PeterL if it wasn't obvious, the bald thing above was because trump has such a great piece.
PeterL: I used to drive an old dodge pick-up, was good sturdy truck. gave it up for a minivan when I got too many kids to fit in the cab.
mircea_popescu: d sex with 10000 of these gorgons."
mircea_popescu: "Beauty is a social construction. I'm all in, but it is a construction nevertheless. The reason I think women are hot today is that they are today, not that they are hot. I watch pornos from the seventies and I think to myself, "well, it would be better than bestiality, I guess." Everyone from the cast of Shampoo to the special guest stars on The Love Boat make me want to be a promisekeeper, meanwhile Wilt Chamberlain ha
mircea_popescu: it's vaguely regrettable no one with an old dogde pick-up ran. then he could have driven it all the way over to the wh and park it on the lawn.
mircea_popescu: for all physchopatologies, a frank view of the disease is quite exactly the next step after "madness".
asciilifeform: i imagine that, to modern english folk, 'sparta' is the next stage after 'madness'.
mircea_popescu: that epic feeling when the entire set google can produce for a greek excerpt is trilema. ha-HA!
PeterL: the refreshing thing about Trump (and would not have been with Hillary) is that now if the president does something stupid I can say "That was stupid" without everybody saying "Stop being RACIST"
mircea_popescu: in sparta, by gorgo's to quote : "Επειδή γαμώ την ράτσα σου". in athens, they did not as far as one knows.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/how_does_the_shutdown_relate_t.html << the tlp in question. "Why would she think this? Because she's stupid? Actually, yes: the culture you know least about has all the answers, which is also why the Guinness ad hypermale in pre-season Special Olympics has chosen to tattoo gigantic Chinese characters on his arm to explain his ennui to himself. "It's a chinese proverb, 'That what doesn'
mircea_popescu: once no more "evil xenomen" to come and kill "teh babies", no more jewish anything either. which is why it failed in the states - no leverage to quell the wail, there.
mircea_popescu: but fortunately the 2nd part could also pass silently.
mircea_popescu: "of course they killed all the ones i didn't bother to hide - and i didn't bother to hide them because they suck because you're a dumb worthless whore whose cunt runs on perl and consequently all manner of ungodly slime crawls out from between your legs"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in idish land, the wail was supressed through "oh honey, there's nothing io can do, those mean xenomen came and killed your baby"
mircea_popescu: the REASON british empire fell has naught to do with anything else but the presence of arthur blair - that despicable fuckwit who pissed his bed. and his existence is due to the fact that he grew up with his mother's tit around.
mircea_popescu: the british "blood and soil" implemented the wail-supression through the mechanism of sending all kids off to work for osmeone else, so the woman's dumb feelers wouldbn't be aroused by the foreign kids imported into household. and it worked, for as long as they stuck to it - and it immediately failed once they gave it up.
mircea_popescu: lowbrow ROMANS of all fucking people conquered them. imagine this nonsense. and they even figured it out and put it in the holy texts, "god wants you to kill your boy!"
mircea_popescu: look at it from the historical perspective : music was invented in babylon to quell the wail ; because the males there had the wisdom to kill the boys - for "no reason" but did it. then the jews came along and put it in their book to not do sacrifice children - and so the dumb women flocked to them, and they birefly prevailed. only to go to shit in a handbasket soon thereafter, so much so the fucking short-legged short-dicked
mircea_popescu: otherwise - not.
mircea_popescu: no, it's not that. it's simply - if out of 100 newborn male babies 50 make it to be 7 ; and then 25 of those make it to be 14 and then a dozen make it to 21, you will have a splendid culture, civilisation, and generally world.
asciilifeform: it isn't any magical trace nutrient in the earth, per se, but the 'you live in this here duchy and dun mix with randos'
mircea_popescu: there's nothing specific about the soil ; and the meaning of "blood" is - spill the blood of the children.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-08 13:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563912 << anything where half or more of the hopefuls fail to make it in, AND half or more of the first year fails to pass into 2nd. it must be selective in this sense, with an understanding that most extant fenotypes are biological failures of no further interest or value.
mircea_popescu: the thing ex-lithuania did for the jews wasn't "the soil" nor blood in the general understanding. it was simply http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563952
asciilifeform: 2nd gen - sinks into the swamp.
mircea_popescu: this is altogether dubious. but maybe.
mircea_popescu: i don't necessarily despise it ; i am however unconvinced. moreover, while examples with your tendency certainly exist - examples of the contrary tendency also do exist (eg, romanians-abroad are far the fuck better than romanians-within, and always have been).
asciilifeform: it is actually a mega-argument for mircea_popescu's despised 'blood and soil', folx separated from their natural habitat end up as.. this
mircea_popescu: no argument. nevertheless, retarded kid telling you "he has azn ancestry" in english, the sole language he speaks has no azn ancestry. as ballas aptly points out, in an article which can anyone plox link ?
asciilifeform: hey it's a handy 'who's who', in much the same way as one learns, working in usg laboratory dungeons for years, to tell all of the east asian folk apart from across hallway before even hello.
mircea_popescu: im not terribly interested in the genetic aspect.