asciilifeform: (~black~ d00d finally shoots into the 'protester' crowd)
Framedragger: (actually, ideally there'd be a quick way to switch dns servers so that whitehouse.gov could be resolved via dns1/dns2. i guess it's a matter of having two+ .conf's, and symlinking resolver.conf to any one of them.)
Framedragger: oh god, and of course there's no standardised dns client design in relation to primary/secondary dns servers. or so it seems. linux supports nice multihomed dns, but the latter works best if there are separate TLDs for the different dns servers.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i assume that you would not care much for a "preferred and secondary dns servers" setup, wherein if dns1 returns no record for whitehouse.gov, dns2 is queried? i personally would still like to be able to visit the reich's web. but dunno if this is compatible with teh republic :p
Framedragger: "automated admin interface direct to the server so you can update anything at any time with a signed pgpgram" sounds very juicy indeed
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/lets-drain-the-domain-name-swamp/ << Trilema - Let's drain the domain name swamp
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/lets-drain-the-domain-name-swamp/ << who's doing it ?
the_scourge: Gonna go hit the gym. Hopefully I'll be able to get a VPS and do some reading next time I'm online. Good to see you guys are all doing stellar
the_scourge: BingoBoingo: ack'd. I've gotta work my way up maslow's hierarchy before I have a desk to put the bluegrass seed on
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: Kako's rating does not hold on this side of schism
the_scourge: ah deedbot uses the same userlist as assbot!
deedbot: the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up the_scourge
the_scourge: (everyone knows that kids from the hood become SF first, hoodrats later, not the other way around /s)
the_scourge: Dude they look like fucking hoodrats. What does that have to do with tactical skills?
the_scourge: would have had to learn some of the lingo
the_scourge: asciilifeform: you misunderstood. the double tap is both to the body. It is the mozambique drill or failure drill that adds a third to the head
the_scourge isn't sure that tmux got the characters perfect
asciilifeform: the_scourge: it is simply what the tradition of shooting a man in the head second time for good measure is called on other side of the atlantic.
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: Why would I want terrorist jap truck when I can find rust American Iron to give blessing of Great Again!
the_scourge: BingoBoingo: if you want a flatbed, just get a Hilux with a bed that is shot to shit. My brother just sold one, cab was in beautiful condition except where I had let a canoe rub on the top
asciilifeform: the_scourge: actually we call it 'контрольный выстрел'
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: I'll prolly go GM, either S10 or Sonoma. Factory bed replaced with flat one of own crafting. But truck must wait for 5 kilo dollar to USd exchagne rate because priorities
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/45xXE << in other 'Kids born after the world went to shit...' lulz.
mircea_popescu: the_scourge see bots.contravex.com
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: It isn't like a bit of inflation or devaluation of the USd is a bad thing.
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: It is in logs. A future president drives to White house and parks pick up truck on lawn.
the_scourge: BingoBoingo: he doesn't. Keystone and other things do
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: Why would Mr. T make you bullish on USD. Renegotiating national debt will raise interest rates. Especially when US has bankruptcy filing on credit report.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: agreed. that's why they are literally falling apart in front of our eyes
BingoBoingo dreams of the alphrophecy being realized. Parking on white house lawn because replacing lawn with my lawn, pls get off.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: i think the problem is too much school, not enough learning
mircea_popescu: the_scourge notreally. it can provide an edge if the other side is just as incompetent, that's about all.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yep. best thing that can happen for one in the us is not having money.
mircea_popescu: it's like... motherfucker, GO TO SCHOOL! come back in six years or such.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i tried to read the clitler, rumsfeld, etc. crud and literally fell asleep.
the_scourge: mircea_popescu: billions of dollars and big data on every mutherfucker on the planet can make up for a lot of incompetence :(
mircea_popescu: the one thing with the email leaks is just how fucking incredibly worthless all these people are. their productions are literally not worth reading.
deedbot: the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up the_scourge
scourge: asciilifeform: the guys on 4chan are saying that kids aren't kept at CPP at all
asciilifeform: ( i have nfi where they are supposed to be keeping the pedos, it is mostly a pub, full of drunks )
mircea_popescu: top idiocies : "ind a way to do polling online and not on phones." ; "The code developed for 2012 (Narwahl etc.) is unlikely to be used, and replaced by a model where" and it kinda lost me there.
asciilifeform: it is from the 'google reviews' link.
mircea_popescu: oh is this the hacking warning ?
asciilifeform: '[five star review] We're coming for you Alefantis, your organized ring of pedophiles is about to be exposed. Youre gonna burn motherf-r.'
scourge: The last few weeks have shown me that the closer to the top one gets, the more stupid things you see. Globalists are a great example of the peter principle (and mabye even the gervais principle)
scourge: the irony is that tor+VM+cafe wifi is a recommended minimum for working with hacking a potential pedo ring, but that "cafe WIFI" is usually located inside... a cafe (which is full of dones)
mircea_popescu: well... thing is moreover that relatively little of what we discuss here is either work-friendly or all that recommended for people with jobs
scourge: mircea_popescu: god damn you should have put a fucking NSFW on the tumblr. Or should we assume that tumblr jpgs are NSFW
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they really are lizards.
mircea_popescu: like you know everything else, by echos and refraction ; waste heat and waste energy... all detection works the same way.
scourge: mircea_popescu: i know that. but how do you know the internal workings of Schmidt+clintons+google?
mircea_popescu: the campaign never reached 1.5bn, never employed 5k people nor ever managed to house 1k people with other people.
scourge: asciilifeform: smoking gun for CTR stuff but 100X worse and with 100X the budget and using all of google's data and psyops for the Clintons
asciilifeform: what's interesting in the linked eric schmidt email ?
scourge missed it, goes to look at the logs
mircea_popescu: item alf linked above, "other bizzarities"
mircea_popescu: "UPDATE 11/9 Anon has learned of a password secured area for Comet Pizza http://www.cometpingpong.com/protected This is extremely odd for a pizza place. Within hours, Anon had infiltrated the servers. Im not a hacker, so Im just relaying information here, but it seems there is extensive security which even our best men have not been able to breach. ALL THAT TO PROTECT A PIZZA JOINT? They have confirmed the coded fil
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/MeGTJ#selection-3405.0-3405.38 << Biljana Djurdjevic, if anyone gives a shit. just old enough at the time of the troubles to have involuntarily participated in the ass trade, except of course for the happenstance she was born in belgrade not sarajevo
asciilifeform: scourge: they confiscated all but your 300 baud modem or what.
asciilifeform: 'how america almost made the trump mistake' etc.
asciilifeform: but i was thinking of the most self-congratulatory propaganda 'books' one could imagine
asciilifeform: them also
asciilifeform: i was there just a week before tritlerday, it was full of you can guess what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the politics nand prose thing ? yeah.
asciilifeform: it is wildly popular, and various 'luminaries' perform there, incl. clitler at one point.
asciilifeform: fwiw the (unofficial) main dem party b00kstore is on same street
mircea_popescu: "katy grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes". ahaha say wut ?
mircea_popescu: lol "hames alefantis owns a pizzeria and is the ex-boyfriend of david brock who runs correct the record and who claimed it spent millions of dollars to pay redditards to bury qntra stories". mmmkay.
deedbot: the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !!up the_scourge
mircea_popescu: literally, dirt poor, eat every other day sort of poor.
asciilifeform: it was perhaps closest thing to pizza in these lands.
mircea_popescu: why do these people eat so much pizza
asciilifeform has been to this diner many times, never saw clitler. though it IS the place next to which there is a peculiar private house with iron door and 'high voltage' sign, but through windows one can see that it is not a substation, there are lights, office furniture...
mircea_popescu: and in other trickle down economics, http://68.media.tumblr.com/35156c82eb3c2dfc7fa904702e2907fc/tumblr_n0jmi4zv051s59ueeo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps he can take the mummy of cpusa out of the museum and resurrect
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo all he has to do is put the cornerstone.
mircea_popescu: Call it American Socialist Party, prolly get about a tenth to a third of current dem + all the "radicals" and whatnots. since the democrats are utterly fucked with all-minorities PLUS they're going to lose 5-10 more senators in 2018 (look at the map lol, it's a carnage, 6 sens up for reelection in freshly red states) so it'll be forever a case of "we are better than the dnc, we suck but they fail".
BingoBoingo: Sanders likely not long for this world seeing as he is oldest of the olds.
mircea_popescu: so is sanders gonna split his own faction, what's the prediction market say ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I'm guessing Herr Lafond who presents Baltimore does not have television of own and for a change decided to take refuge outside of city limits rather than shelter in place.
asciilifeform: probably per customer request !! some might prefer, e.g., that the 'snickers' be on a fishing hook, on a line.
mircea_popescu: not even. "Dear Guest, for your comfort please note that snicker bars must be split up to all employees. Please contact the nearest Whipmaster for the procedure. Thank you!"
BingoBoingo: "If I wasnt sitting in the room with my mother and my hands were not hopelessly broken and callused, Id consider masturbating to the live feed of crying feminists at the Queen Apparents Headquarters." << http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5638
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybne they do and it's chinese strictly.
mircea_popescu: nfi why they don't do it. at some point in the late 80s they almost look like they were gonna
mircea_popescu: travolta goes there to decompress, when he gets fucking sick of smartass cab drivers, ironic waitresses and whatnot other "i'm only doing this until" idiots.
mircea_popescu: there's just a bunch of dorks doing what every single servant class american SHOULD be doing, which is to say "yes sir no sir thank you sir oh how great you look today".
asciilifeform: in which, then, sense ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but not in the high performance sexual sense.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/numerous-jobs-for-the-unemployable-being-created-as-the-great-again-approaches/ << Qntra - Numerous Jobs For The Unemployable Being Created As The Great Again Approaches
asciilifeform: introduced in '60s for -- incidentally, last thead -- rocket silos
asciilifeform: fences per se are a largely decorative item in modern world -- the item which actually does the work is the microwave perimeter sensor
asciilifeform: (slowed in escape for the 10 minutes or so that the chix-retention battalion needs to pick'em back up, throw in truck bed, and return to their pit)
asciilifeform: betcha it does the job tho.
asciilifeform: homes of american 'rich & famous' tend to have this flavour, or at least the parts visible from outside
asciilifeform: but i can easily imagine demented pope buying this, like he bought the rest of it, 'looked SOOOO K000000L!1111'
mircea_popescu: (you can see the sun shine through, so you know)
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be visibly loose. there's like 2mm space between "blade" and its seat on the side of the attachment.
asciilifeform: like the chicago pigeon system.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me the rail came with holes, and the "blades" came with steel spring which got forced into the hole.
asciilifeform: vendor page had 'install with ordinary tig welder' or the like.
asciilifeform: as i understand, these are against naked chix running off into the woods in the dead of night.
mircea_popescu: a) they're visibly atached. you can just take them off. b) they sit on top of a dingy chickenwire thing you can cut through with a fucking nail clip c) they're on a fence already sagging from age, whose supports lay loose in soft earth ; no concrete base block nothing.
asciilifeform: dunno that it is such a bad deal, escapee slave can jump ordinary barbed wire with leather coats, tarps, etc., but not so easily spikes.
mircea_popescu: it's the antipersonnel equivalent of "scoped out" rifle. really.
asciilifeform: they resemble oversized pigeon spikes from chicago metro.
asciilifeform: dubai in the 'orc fantasy' sense, not in 'commercial megapolis'.
mircea_popescu: wtf else, they got a speaker ? some cctv ?
asciilifeform: with the shit-pits ?
asciilifeform did not go there, did not bake it
mircea_popescu: "electronic". their thing is electric.
asciilifeform: (for the 'e-meter' cultron, naturally, linked earlier)
asciilifeform: but the fact asciilifeform finds more interesting is that they have, apparently, a complete electronic manufacturing vertical there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a visual culture. kinda like how they glue plastic wood imitation to station wagons and plant fake vineyards in the back of the alt-flavoured soda vending machine.
mircea_popescu: which is the meaning of "you'll die of old age and i'll die of global warming" : you made your 50mn and i'm never gonna make my half bn.
mircea_popescu: (note that the dona brazile thing was IN FRONT OF EMPLOYEES. those 150 people weren't fucking volunteers, they were dorks making more money than the owner of vox/salon/what have you, not the journowhores doing all the wordsmithing. and who were expecting more. A LOT MORE. and now they don't think they'll ever get it
a111: Logged on 2016-11-05 15:22 mircea_popescu: epstein is one of many such squires, let's call them. the squire's estate consists of a brothel, which may be obv multiple physical locations but generally arranged in a star pattern, a harvesting operation, his connections to the democrat party (in this case via abedin-clinton-obama). he doesn't do his own marketing, the people running the whole thing do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik they're running a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563151 for celebs. you pay them a mn a year or w/e and they allocate a coupla slavegirls to you.
asciilifeform: linked piece even suggests that they have something like mircea_popescu's 'human pig' system.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566143 << this is the core of "private banking". "do you have a lot of money ? are you too dumb to understand how wires work ? we only cost $500 a month (+some % of your every move in small print)"
asciilifeform: i've not turned up any report of castle linked earlier having been sacked or sold at auction etc. but i have nfi, i never sat on its throne or in the dungeon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: church of s is probably the most interesting item in usa, from tmsr perspective. think, they - apparently - run a complete northkr ~inside~ usa, with palaces, factories, gulags, fuck knows, possibly complete with rockets. and ~0 newspaper whine.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-11 21:23 asciilifeform: ( and how many other necessary things does mircea_popescu buy at-cost, and really, there's no catch..? )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566134 << most of the things i buy. including real estate, human slaves, cutlery, antiques, cars and machinery, you name it.
mircea_popescu: change is the worst fucking thing. get leprosy instead, it's a better deal.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/trump-voter-lynched-in-chicago-for-supporting-the-great-again/ << Qntra - Trump Voter Lynched In Chicago For Supporting The Great Again
mircea_popescu: this is exactly that field where "take this old crust of bread, and i don't wish to hear from you for two decades", and they're ALL doing it wrong. "oh we upgraded the website" "oh we changed payment processing" MOTHERFUCKER
mircea_popescu: and it makes a difference, wtf, i'm going to pay ~2500 for a 1200 bill because "services" ? i wish to know wtf services they do for over a grand
mircea_popescu: and i don't continue to buy it because internetbs.net (ex internet.bs) decided to discontinue bitcoin payments "for legal reasons". so i told them where to stuff it, the only reason i made the fucking acct last year when i ditched namecheap was because they had btc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in truth i cannot recommend any dns seller, this may well be a case of 'pay the cheapest shaman'
mircea_popescu: we shall see about this "sell to spammers", i have exactly 0 confidence in the gandi thing chiefly because on the form they claim icann REQUIRES them to sell your data to spammers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the end i picked namesilo.
asciilifeform: in other very much non-news, https://archive.is/RAPiG , i take back everything i ever said re how opening 'tmsr church' is waste of time. it ain't, not if we can build one of THESE!111111111111
asciilifeform: and not from the staff access door (which was armoured, but against overpressure, not crowbar)
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy, considering that the actual 'burglarproofing' of the shafts came 100% from the promise of guard platoon showing up <15min after alarm tripped
phf: i once got a contract closed because the hosting provider was located in a former missile launch facility, i mentioned it during a pitch, and i think that more so than anything else that ensured the bid went through. "security"
jurov: .SK NIC actually does this notarized bureaucracy PITA when the owner, dies or otherwise ceases to exist
asciilifeform: believe or not, 'you' (definitely not you, nor me, but some favourite son somewhere) can make $mils by offering service of 'dns reg just like the 5.95 one but we need signed letter from CEO of your corp, notarized by the board, before we'll move a domain'
phf: sort of reminds of the laptop from achewood http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04022008 http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04032008
asciilifeform: (they also collected fat moneys for the service, i shit thee not, of watching that the domain reg does not 'walk away', because not-winblowzing, not-using-guessable-pw, etc. is Too Much To Expect from multi-$B 'tbtf' orgs)
asciilifeform: (mid 6-figs at the time iirc)
asciilifeform: at one point i worked for a co that supplied dns reg as part of a larger package of high-roller services (rather than, as usually seen with registrars, to public) -- the 'crown concession' was quite costly
jurov: I see you got the joke.
asciilifeform: jurov: there is an upstream cost, given as all dns regs are sub-leases from hitler.
asciilifeform: ( and how many other necessary things does mircea_popescu buy at-cost, and really, there's no catch..? )
jurov: gandi.net needs to join tmsr. then we can have domains for phree :D
asciilifeform: 'I'm getting that for 5.96 currently. .com .net 15 each ? Is this some kind of a joke that's funny in your culture ?' << i'd be curious, then, what is mircea_popescu getting for the 5.96 $, and why not continue to buy it.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-10 17:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a very theoretical principle, this. the mechanisms involved in the practical discussion, however, aren't nearly there. just simple cash starvation, "why is roach motel full of roaches!" "because you're paying $8 a night"
asciilifeform: the 'competitive' dnstrons -- do.
asciilifeform: but there is afaik nothing particularly great about it.
mircea_popescu: tl;dr: gandi.net is a fucking joke, approximately the equivalent of eating fast food in food court "restaurant", so you can pay 20 bux for the same two dollar happy meal.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the dns "registrar" front, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6di65/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2016-11-11 15:42 phf: i will admit though, i didn't expect this level of hypocrisy from the progressives, i was to some extent taking what they are saying at face value
BingoBoingo: Soon there will be alt-1950's except poorer
BingoBoingo: Time doesn't flow that way anymore in Murica, The Great Again is starting.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: maybe they get a fat and pimply black guy from tennessee
BingoBoingo: Nah, they'll prolly be looking for "freshman senator magic" again
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be funnay if they go for the whole "it's clinton's fault" thing, considering the woman didn't even want to run - THEY BEGGED HER TO.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565968 << the funny thing being that the dnc is pretty much a sorority. i mean this very literally, a collection of girls trapped in old women bodies. AND THE CHEEROCRACY LOST THE CHEERLEADING BALL!
trinque: I remember there was weeping and gnashing of teeth over nudity in some facebook group back when I had one of those
trinque: much to the sorrow of all
ben_vulpes: sadly, i have not done enough battle with the gods of tidiness and compulsion to be into playing with my poop
BingoBoingo: WHich is why you go to shit on their parade and bring tiding of Trumpreich
ben_vulpes: and i'm not even particularly convinced they'd have worked anyways.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Fine, locate your nearest "rainbow people" camp and shit on their parade
ben_vulpes deeply uninterested in broken megacorp windows downtown when there are fires to light and dance around in the rainy woods
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nah, i don't take the capital equipment out romping amongst anarchist, the antipersonnell hardware's on the fritz
ben_vulpes: only action i'm remotely interested in is abdulraman sameer noorah's trial on the fifteenth
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sooo get in the panzer & drive!11111
ben_vulpes: trinque: i am nowhere near the action, tyvm
phf: "these men are armed with assault rifles!!"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: WTF, why are they promoting hate crimes against white people dressed in traditional garb for deer season?!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, after all the blather about how russia influenced the elections (hey, check it out, russia can do that!) where's the articles about how sweden organised protests against trump ? << Tomorrow maybe in Roundup Xtend after I catch up on reading
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'The afternoon rally came a day after fliers appeared in bathrooms across campus warning of pro-Trump "vigilante squads." The fliers contained a picture of men clad in camouflage holding rifles and said the squads would “arrest and torture those deviant university leaders spouting off all this diversity garbage.” University police were investigating the source of the fliers.'
asciilifeform: mats: what's the effective bitrate ?
trinque: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/putin-applauds-trump-win-and-hails-new-era-of-positive-ties-with-us << He denied allegations of Russian interference in the election, but said “maybe we helped a bit with WikiLeaks.”
trinque: the pants belong to someone else anyway; it's self-consistent
asciilifeform: what face value. their only consistent line for past century was 'what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine' etc.
phf: i will admit though, i didn't expect this level of hypocrisy from the progressives, i was to some extent taking what they are saying at face value
trinque: asciilifeform: this marks the coming of Great Again.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-11 01:27 ben_vulpes: they waltzed out onto i5, the corridor from mexico to canada
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565891 << I read that they smashed cars and windows all night... in a city that went for clitler.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/files/2015/11/cocktail-wax_vajazzle-2014.jpg
mircea_popescu: incidentally, after all the blather about how russia influenced the elections (hey, check it out, russia can do that!) where's the articles about how sweden organised protests against trump ?
mircea_popescu: possibly cuz that's what he read ? you certainly won't starve in any of the ones mentioned.
mircea_popescu: lol. you know, if you drive to the starbucks it doesn't follow you actually stopped the car inside the booth.
mircea_popescu: (yes, the reason mp doesn't lisp may have a lot to do with the absence of hot lisp chicks.)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i never learned a language any other way, and this includes fucking latin.
jurov: Framedragger: if literature, then defo go for german
mircea_popescu: languages are to be learnt from women. so go out with girls you like, pick the first one who also has a lot of booksat home, learn her language.
Framedragger: i'd like to be able to read some god damn decent literature in something else than english or lithuanian (the latter is an OK language, too bad it's language of proles)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: incidentally, any recommendation on which of the following to pick to learn as a new tongue? (sample at hand is due to some future pragmatical considerations, in terms of possible living places etc. - maybe not he last entry): french (i can't french at all), german (some knowledge), portuguese (none), russian (very rudimentary, call it none)
mircea_popescu: (and yes, i'm saying that the typical reasoning, "he said grab them by the pussy therefore he disrespects women" is not simply due to the speaker being stupid, or lazy. it's also how english happens to work, internally.)
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the perfidious islands produced nothing in their entire history. that reason has to do to how there isn't even the words to translate properly, so either they hide behind some greek statue located in a french garden, or else they make with the common nouns.
Framedragger: i've never read the latter, and my deutsch is bad (but in principle passable with a dictionary at hand, possibly)
mircea_popescu: the problem with treason is that you can't identify which it is
mircea_popescu: the problem with trason isn't that you can't find a faithful translation.
Framedragger: (they're supposed to be proper names, not just 'table')
Framedragger: though, then it's not clear that 'morning star' and 'evening star' are *proper* names (like Jacob), so...
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: good point. a fair note though, some translations use 'morning star' and 'evening star', which convey the meaning well, i think.
mircea_popescu: it's no longer evident like in that Nazi's naive packaging. It's good for the economy! It creates jobs!
mircea_popescu: you see what the anglotards did ? they replaced the names ; but not innocently. they replaced to serve the two things anglotards are all about : a fake loftyness (oh noes, really, classical names by the classically educated ? except medieval fakes ? ohoho how very cheers-vilised we find ourselves, that frasier crane will eat his heart out!) and a practical confusion. Now you need ~them~ to explain to you what the names mean,
mircea_popescu: anyway, frege's own example is much better than the latter retellings in english. he used der Abendstern and der Morgenstern.
Framedragger: "but if the first star is planet venus and the second star is planet venus, then.. WHO WAS PHONE"
mircea_popescu: this is what they mean when they say reddit makes one stupid : "social media" tends to drive this name-object confusion in young'uns.
mircea_popescu: the most important point here is that you for some god forsaken reason ACTUALLY THOUGHT, in your head, that if you write "whore" in lipstick on the back of your wife you're now fucking a whore.
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565865 layering "expressive" abstractions is not the only way to fit thigs into head.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying a frenchman would see the internet in french even if he called trilema.com
Framedragger: i got confused. basically, i think a european customer would get the same (doctored) results if they ran a search on .ar.
mircea_popescu: in the end i'm not sure what you're saying.
Framedragger: so yes it's super trivial, but then - .eu can't dictate google's search results for non-european customers
Framedragger: i'm sure that google did not want to do more than was required, so they made the effects visible on the "european" version of google, for european users (the latter identified by ip address or, if logged into google accounts, selected country there; or somesuch).
mircea_popescu: are you proposing that there's some sort of substance to an url, like "searching on google.com.ar" is somehow similar to "fucking girls in the alley behind the bar IN ROUEN rather than Bekescsaba" ?
Framedragger: I am of course not disagreeing with the spirit of the matter, incl. regarding impotence etc.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. http://trilema.com/2015/trilema-burns/ : you write that "Apparently the EU is about as impotent in practice as its fame for impotence promises in theory" in response to you being able to search for that person on google.com.ar ; whereas that letter plainly states that "Only results on European versions of Google are affected."
trinque: I guess I'll never read anything they wrote again
trinque: mats: what's so fancy about that page that even the text doesn't load without JS?
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e43a6f38cfa64881f730bd405f674932/tumblr_mokr0iF1gI1rgcs3fo1_1280.jpg
mats: which, on the subject, is also really good with chinese now