mircea_popescu: you give out a little bit of yourself each time. and eventually, down the road, after enough dealmaking, you discover there's nothing actually left. this is very much the equivalent of alf's point re "only so many lines of code in one before insanity", except for business people, those who are too dumb to realise it on their own.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re city hall : it's a collection of platitudes, like any usian "deep" / "philosophical" movie. but it's a collection of ~well chosen~ platitudes, like the better such are, and in it incidentally pacino explains the problem with the dealmaking model :
trinque: because the former naturally grows.
trinque: it makes an immediate kind of sense that outside the edifice of meaning you need a destructive process
mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
trinque: which is just utterly wtf from the outside.
trinque: and yet the republic is not nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power. the money was coincidental. i never made all the money there was to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.
mp_en_viaje: i don't mind saying, but keep in mind you're doing the equiv of asking columbus things about finding new continents. he ~doesn't know~. irrespective of what data may suggest, he was just there coincidentally, at right time.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, understand the following points :
mp_en_viaje: this is utterly fucking false, of course. the telegraph doesn't get in a month the daily readership of trilema. but i think the ~pervasiveness~ of the antiquated, and mistaken, worldview may rub off on people.
mp_en_viaje: there's this default idea in the general populace, that a) somebody reads the raped-and-left-for-dead husks of ye olde gatekeepers and that b) it's still myspace days on internet, nobody reads "your webpage"
mp_en_viaje: while in kiev i met this brit (at the time masquerading as this local girl's sub, but w/e). as a joke, socially, i said i'm the most pretentious guy you'll ever meet, and when he asked for sauce i told him it says so right on my own blog. he found this a most excellent bon mot, "oh, that's perfect, you webpage nobody reads, not like the telegraph or something".
trinque: I don't for the record know what I'd say, cognizant that I ought to say.
trinque: he's very well. I'll ask him if he wants to dust off the voice.
trinque: we're struggling up into the money machine, and it has its costs.
mp_en_viaje: kinda why he wanted mips : could bake mips-peh-asic on the cheap atm.
mp_en_viaje: an underlying os, is the problem
mp_en_viaje: it's absolutely not nearly as bad as it could be theoretically construed, which is still in from where i suspect you're pegging it atm.
trinque: I'll fucking use their prebaked turd, or something fundamently not, but no incrementals ever again.
trinque: the only reason to get on one is a republican reason.
mp_en_viaje: GET RID OF HARDCODED LINE FEEDS HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONGGGGG with people!!!
trinque: if this is becoming a reality, I am present for the transition to in-wot crypto, by god.
mp_en_viaje: but prolly before the end of the year we'll be wanting you to do that double-otp thing. that work ?
mp_en_viaje: only nowadays, with ffa and eucrypt & rest of stuff as they are to provide a basis, im starting talk of things such as http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130709
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:33:07 trinque: if someone this sensible says there exists no reliable basis for crypto dev, what do but await?
mp_en_viaje: see what i did there ? :D
mp_en_viaje: i know it ~sounds~ stupid. that's the problem with reality, the fundamentals sound stupid for no reason and shit that sounds smart usually is anything but.
mp_en_viaje: and if you care, i suspect the quietness of your blog is what's giving people creeps.
mp_en_viaje: i'd very much propose a read of david lynch's biography to all the "oh, i'm unmotivated" middle class dorks.
trinque: if someone this sensible says there exists no reliable basis for crypto dev, what do but await?
diana_coman: trinque: cool; and yes, change of feeds was public and I had simply forgotten of it hence went to check the bot's help page.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in inspirational quotes, "Due to financial problems the filming of Eraserhead was haphazard, regularly stopping and starting again."
trinque: personally I've been holding back on doing anything about the state of chats awaiting asciilifeform's crypto platform.
trinque: I'll correct the help.html to reflect.
trinque: I'm not going to stop operating the services I'm providing any time soon, and I'd inform folks present before doing so.
trinque: diana_coman: saw on a recent post on a blog that you supposed some decay re: the deedbot operator.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-03-06 22:42:48 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in theory the logs are endlessly educational! in practice, learning takes practice.
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 21:16:41 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
diana_coman: I wish though I could actually access your blog from machine-other-than-toilet
mp_en_viaje: (idea is, you !!v a buncha times and safely decrypt, then store the otps use as needed. this was discussed years ago, it's good cuz it don't expose the keys on bot's iron)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 20:50:19 lobbes: iirc spyked actually already has a vpatch for a gpgism that uses the "stored otp" method
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:01:01 mircea_popescu: ^ anyone else actively maintaining a castle i forgot in the list ?
mp_en_viaje: will also be interesting to see what the intersection of demographics is / what's overlapped / what's left out. from a purely sociological pov.
mp_en_viaje: such that newbies can be met with "you should talk to X" instead of "i'm not interested, go away" or EVEN WORSE "[i'm not interested] but i'm going to go through the motions anyway, out of a feeling of obligation"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:00:50 mircea_popescu: /msg ChanServ SET #trilema ENTRYMSG To speak here you must be voiced by one of the lords. Talk to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot , trinque
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926225 : hanbot is taking teenaged / twentysomething females meeting the pizdi bill ; i presume asciilifeform is taking highly intelligent, shy & introverted males age-irrespective, math grad student prototype while diana_coman is taking inquisitive teenagers age irrespective and BingoBoingo latam... females ?
billymg: ^ i put together a quick POC for e2e testing on mp-wp. i have to sign off for the night and will be away from my main machine this weekend but will be checking the logs/comments if anyone has any feedback
lobbes off to bed. saltmines early tomorrow, then I'll pick it back up
lobbes: I can either pick it back up tomorrow night, or feel free to take that and do what you will
lobbes: still left to do: needs to convert the calendar timestamps into the phf-style unix epochal format.
lobbes: not complete yet, but what I was able to get done tonight at least. Currently eats a single dir full of ZNC logs (assumes the format of e.g. "2017-03-25.log"), puts the files in chronological order, and shits them all into a single .txt files
asciilifeform: ( 'meld' is prolly the 1 graphical proggy asciilifeform uses with regularity. eventually will have to bake a tmsr incarnation... )
asciilifeform: tho as i understand no timestamp is likely to match, so would have to diff with 'meld' or some other 'smart' differ
asciilifeform: lobbes: 1 good test for your znc eater, would be to eat some zncade that's already reflected in phf's dump, and see whether matches.
asciilifeform expects that before long, we'll find out that the pythonisms can't in fact be reliably reproduced, because 'ecosystem updated' or whateverthefuck rots
asciilifeform: it was written rather hastily.
asciilifeform: lobbes et al : lemme know if the bringup instructions in the genesis 'readme' actually make sense.
lobbes is grunting out the ZNC shitter as we speak. luckily has some .py code already that parsed a dir full of ZNC; hopefully can get it out tonight
asciilifeform: most of the head scratching went into bot.
lobbes: pretty cool asciilifeform. ftr the speed at which you did this blows me away
asciilifeform: will update the bot's 'src' link when next reset.
lobbes: Re: my php logotron, I still intend to grunt that out, vpatch it, and stand up loggers. In addition I have no plans to discontinue any of my existing infrastructure either (auctionbot will keep auctioning; and when I die I have already vpatched it so someone else always pick up the torch). To be clear: Going forward, I will be voluntarily be stepping into knighthood so as to have a clearer focus and
lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
lobbes: not sure the details of it though
lobbes: http://www.thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << here's spyked's item tho. trilemabot-voicer
asciilifeform: aa so by hand you only flipped the safety off, makes sense
lobbes: meaning you have to manually tell the bot to voice each time. no prolly not ideal
lobbes: iirc spyked actually already has a vpatch for a gpgism that uses the "stored otp" method
lobbes: it would be a patch off of the command_router_python, however
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926199 << indeed gpgism, but it is not automatic. Plus you have to keep the bot's key on the iron running the thing. I can produce a vpatch once I get the znc-eater-shitter done (or asciilifeform beats me to it. whichever comes first)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-because-i-said-so-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - "Because I Said So". Adnotated.
asciilifeform: imho mobo oughta have dedicated socket for rng. but we aint yet there.
asciilifeform: i.e. whether to have kernelism knob for it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been breaking my head against it since we built the thing in '16
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, did the fg / kernel thing ever make sense to you ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, the one time that weird quirk came in handy
asciilifeform: ( protocol, ftr, is such that speakers do not actually see their own output. logger has to log it explicitly )
mircea_popescu: not what the spec ~actually~ satys, but i guess you went per tradition.
asciilifeform: fucking tards, the fleanode people, if you wanna by synchronous, BE SYNCHRONOUS, say when ok to send next ln !!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i realise now i didn't even spec the bot correctly, it's supposed to multiline if multi links
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:51:33 asciilifeform: for completeness, the www end, in case asciilifeform gets sepsis before gets to genesis. and example config (config is common to both proggies, give it on cmdline)
asciilifeform: perceptible enuff diff that it annoys asciilifeform , who developed long ago habit of refreshing log pg on his various machines 'as if it were local thermostat log'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926458 << well, take the current log tail; here on my box 'time curl ....' is 2.2s for mine vs 0.09s for phf's
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:20:05 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926408 <-- on it. gotta run to sleep afterwards, but will be back in the morning and get up to date with l0gz. meanwhile, is it okay if I remove trilema comment PMs from the bot's message queue? otherwise it'll keep sending when I bring it back up, lol.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926447 << i guess i already saw them all so yes. but in general, kinda needs a permafix
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:05:07 asciilifeform: snsabot and its www end are imho usably snappy, but you can tell that they run in interpreter, visibly slower than phf's
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:59:01 diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926408 <-- on it. gotta run to sleep afterwards, but will be back in the morning and get up to date with l0gz. meanwhile, is it okay if I remove trilema comment PMs from the bot's message queue? otherwise it'll keep sending when I bring it back up, lol.
asciilifeform: snsabot and its www end are imho usably snappy, but you can tell that they run in interpreter, visibly slower than phf's
asciilifeform: there's a place, at least for so long as we're doing tcpisms, for langs with garbagecollector etc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: principal weakness of ada in re this problem set (at least the ada 'specified' by asciilifeform) is stringism handling
asciilifeform: there aint one.
diana_coman: ultimately sure; currently I don't know; I even sketched quickly an Ada thing - main trouble though is lack of proper db interface (and otherwise relying on GNAT.Sockets and therefore the whole strand of streams etc)
asciilifeform: currently there aint a 'tmsr lang' in which can readily write wwwisms. (i dun even have a tcp end for gnat atm)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: rationale is that each bot maker used the lang that was most fresh in head.
diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?
asciilifeform: the www end does use 'flask', py's equiv of hunchentoot etc
asciilifeform: so instead has configable delay there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as you can tell from last coupla comments on your www, even there i missed initially a spot of retardation (fleanode lets you auth, but if you join ~immediately~ then won't be authed for purpose of +r chans. this is documented nowhere.)
asciilifeform: PeterL: in order to actually attempt to 'fit in head' the barbaric protocol, i wrote bot on naked sockets, instead of using whatever-lib
asciilifeform: what does, is to prevent eternal hang on silent (ask the tcp committee why this is physically possible, not me) deaths
asciilifeform: for completeness, the www end, in case asciilifeform gets sepsis before gets to genesis. and example config (config is common to both proggies, give it on cmdline)
PeterL: It's been a while since I coded a bot, is it possible to send a PING when you hit timeout rather then going straight to reconnecting?
asciilifeform: imho the current item should be left alone until mirror stands up , at least unless someone finds how to choke it trivially
asciilifeform: main problem is that right nao there is exactly 1 reliable logotron, so when i add knobs, will have to be cycled (will try to do when no one is awake)
asciilifeform: item is sewn such that theoretically can digest any barf thrown by fleanode. but this will have to be verified experimentally.
asciilifeform: there is timeout on recv() so 'silent stall' also not wedges bot. at least in theory.
mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda curious how this weathers.
asciilifeform: the minus is that bot search dunwork if wwwtron is down. ( but why should be down, for more than coupla sec it takes to reset when new ver. phuctor's has not 1ce fallen by itself since last rewrite. )
asciilifeform: (there's no shell callouts)
asciilifeform: i wrote the bot to use the www end's search function, so as to avoid having two duplicated searchtrons in there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ is good example, paginator not in there yet
mircea_popescu: !qs the
asciilifeform: ( rationale was, there are chans where folx speak erry coupla days or so, and handy to be able to jump back immediately w/out flipping pages )
asciilifeform: right nao i have 1 knob that phf did not, the activity ticker on top of page
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i asked for it ; and then i didn't find it that useful either. i'm guessing i just don't understand what wuld be useful exactly.
asciilifeform: but theoretically can be made
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the plan was to first federate, then move. we're not progressing re federation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's had the activity graph. i did not clone it
asciilifeform: i recall the 'ro digg' aha
mircea_popescu: it's a data visualization, back then i ran a ro digg ; that's users / activity.
diana_coman: tbh I also don't quite grok what's the status re irc as there was the plan to move and so on
asciilifeform: for instance right nao anyone leasing a box on piz, can hear the pw
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no idea yet; and on one hand there's merit to "other than pizarro" but onth ugh where "other"
asciilifeform: theoretically can sit it down behind znc, and run sslism to fleanode, but i fuckinhate sslism
asciilifeform: current bot -- the latter
asciilifeform: it's either sslism or plaintext 'errybody in same cage sees'
diana_coman: well, I surely plan to run another bot myself, yes
mircea_popescu: though in fact not that great if all on pizarro either
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, conceivably. besides, he has a point, not bad to have another one.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm; the chan is meant to be official rather than community (like eulorum) so I suppose at some point we should, shouldn't we;
asciilifeform: ( phf's still worx, but i have nfi whether will for how long )
mircea_popescu: is the nsa one on piz ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : at the very least, would ~very~ much like there to be at least a 2nd logger, somewhere other than piz, for redundancy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: something like bitcoin's merkle-style order-indep. hashing would potentially work . but still relies on clock sync, otherwise no 2 boxes have same notion of interval to be hashed
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we don't run a logger; the site is on shared hosting with pizarro
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re synced-loggers -- i sat for whole day thinking about this, but in the end came to same conclusion as mircea_popescu , i.e. that it is moar complicated than appears, fleanode will liberally reorder lines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, items from the 80s, reliable, because back then um process. items from 2010s, who the fuck knows what ic is in there and what it does /
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, is there any mutualization in the end, or not yet ? imo one massive win would be for loggers to put out ~signed~ dumps so they can mutually sync
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh oh. mine are the actual guns. i dunno, not THAT heavy, more bulky i guess. and rigid and so on. i should get newer, but then can you trust newer hardware ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these were pcb-mounted things, for potential inclusion in larger device.
mircea_popescu: yea ; or i could've jus ttaken ocr guns along. but somehow i was naive, the romanticism of the idea appealed at the onset.
mircea_popescu: i mean yes i got multiples, and the flesh is willing... but my spirit's weak, i confess i kinda like them.
asciilifeform: well can also do like we did FG site and mircea_popescu write 'hey make the grey deeper' and then asciilifeform goes an' turns knob. but, will take longer i expect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after genesis will be pretty easy to stand up local copy. so in fact if you like can set the colours in person and vpatch, i will read, sign, upload to dulap..
mircea_popescu: which was the original spec.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, also, the gfx part plox.
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to ask, where the everliving fuck was trinque during all of this.
asciilifeform: which reminds me, another phfism i gotta clone, that paste-stasher
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926179 << ok well, this seems to be back then. #trilema is again in session, hear ye hear ye, all pleas will be heard and all claims will be settled. speak your mind, we're back in business.
asciilifeform: nao in re mechanicals -- bot is written from 0 using bare sockets. www end and bot eat a common config, there are nomoar 'magic' constants in the proggy. so it will be pretty simple to set up mirrors after genesis, if anyone is up to it
PeterL: yeah, I guess if somebody messages you then you can just say "talk to me in #whatever"
mircea_popescu: PeterL, let the lord make that call i think.
asciilifeform: then i think we're current
asciilifeform: iirc there was >1 eulora ? (eulora-debug) or sumthing
PeterL: maybe point to the castles? (Bingoboingo at #pizarro, etc) but that might make the message too long?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lemme know at any pt if you want chans in there (i think i got all the currently alive people)
asciilifeform: fwiw i left him out of the init roster. if he comes back to life will consider to add
mircea_popescu: ^ anyone else actively maintaining a castle i forgot in the list ?
mircea_popescu: /msg ChanServ SET #trilema ENTRYMSG To speak here you must be voiced by one of the lords. Talk to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot , trinque
asciilifeform: aite then!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme know if you want the clock fiddled, i think it's gmt right nao
mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- [#trilema] To speak in #trilema you must be voiced. If you have a RSA key registered with deedbot, send !!up to it in a private message, decrypt the challenge string and return it with !!v ; else politely ask one of the voiced people to voice you. << meanwhile became total bs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, actually, ima edit the join message.
mircea_popescu: hey BingoBoingo now that i can drop it in, do you recall the lafond article in question ? i remember fucking reading it, but i can't find it again ;/
asciilifeform: PeterL: there's still coupla missing knobs in www logotron (quoted strings for search; pagination for same; backlinkage)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe add the logger www to banner ? if you feel like
mircea_popescu: is there more stuff i need to do while op'd actually ?
asciilifeform pleased to be back on the air !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more interestingly, asciilifeform found that he has py-de-gpgation thing already lying around from when wrote snsa-shop telecontroller. so actually can bolt it on. would rather genesis current ver 1st tho.
mircea_popescu: aite, im not gonna add auctionbot and lobbesbot to +V list then, because they're like... the only bots that don't suck ?
mircea_popescu: i don't fucking get it though. how the fuck do lobbesbot and scriba have voice ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you voice the thing , it'll echo
mp_en_viaje: i will be setting the #trilema channel to silence until we actually have working logs ; which is hopefully mid august. this situation where there's a single logger that's even still going coincidentally, perhaps because maintainer was so deeply unreachable others couldn't even reach out to sync downtime is too much to paper over.
scriba: Logged on 2019-06-26: [17:45:27] <asciilifeform> iirc there exists a 'fetish' set who dream of... being eaten by cannibals. i never grasped exactly how this worx, psychologically, but entirely possib that 'is proof of my deliciousness!'
mp_en_viaje: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20190626/#101 << scriba ended logging on the 26th, so that's not useful either
mp_en_viaje: derping about "as if you believed otherwise" is not a workable strategu.
mp_en_viaje: you're currently in this position where you've neither done anything useful nor said anything intelligent in years ; and i will send you packing the next time this comes around.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1926141 << understand, the relationship is not symmetrical. this "mod6 isn't building off what mp says, just says his own things" thing you're trying will not work out any better for you than it worked every other time someone else tried it before. i get that the self-feeling of specialness is the core and root of all hominids, but that doesn't promise it also does something outside the skull. se
mod6: !Q later tell mp_en_viaje http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OmWqw/?raw=true << Saw the logger died and you were not in-chan.
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-August/000335.html << Here's The Foundation report for July.
asciilifeform: and, the other q, is writing log www somehow lethally dangerous work ?! kako wrote -- succumbed to brain fungus. Framedragger -- succumbed. phf -- ditto. ben_vulpes -- ???!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ( or trinque , plox to whisper in his ear ) : phf might be dead, but afaik you aint! where is the genesis of yer www log front end ? why are we down to ONE half-maintained log bot ? does asciilifeform have to drop errything and try an' bake a logger ? why ?
mod6: I've got to stop moving for a minute and eat something, and then write up a basic nothing-burger of a foundation report. I'll be back around in a bit.
mod6: Like I said earlier this year, I do care about my wot-rating, so I don't want to damage that. Let's discuss/work together to help me move on from these things.
mod6: Heck, for what its worth, I know that there has been some talk about reorganziation of Pizarro's roles/responsibilities since after this latest round, that if I'm causing strife/headaches, I'd even be willing to split my shares between BingoBoingo and asciilifeform, and you guys can continue one.
mod6: TMSR~/The Foundation/Pizarro deserve better.
mod6: This year, I've done what I could with the time I have available, which, indeed, is far less time than I've had in say, '11-'16. I know I haven't produced as much as I would like this year, especially in July. I've had so much secular stuff come up, my head is spinning. But reality is, I barely have enough time to keep up with the logs.
mod6: So I should just do this on my own accord. Shall we make some arragements for someone to take over the Foundation? How can we go about this. I want to see TMSR~/The Foundation/Pizzaro succeed. Even if that means that I'm not a part of these any longer.
mod6: It seems like Mr. Popescu feels the same way. That I should be drummed out. We've known each other (all of us) for quite some time now. And I don't want to be a "problem" or "idjit" or whatever. Mainly, I don't want to force you all to kick me out.
mod6: I think my head must be broken, because the stress of making a decision wrong is paralyzing.
mod6: I've been pondering mircea_popescu's reponse to the above link since the statement was made. I'm not sure how I went wrong here, but not adding to the existing SHA512 vtree is what I understood my instructions to be.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-24 00:56 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923606 << This is a neat-o vpatch 'who gave', but it came in just after the 'NO NEW WORK IN SHA PLOX'; so there are a few like this that probably will go into TRB main Vtree once the Lordship reviews/audits the proposed Keccak TRB Vtree; perhaps possibly after TRB has a new home OS/environment.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-01#1926112 << These go back to this, I did test those ones when they came in. iirc they did work alright when I tested them. I stopped adding these items to the working vtree (SHA512) when mircea_popescu said, and instead started working towards getting the keccak vtree built & then getting it onto cuntoo. Figured once there & stab
mod6: Hey there
a111: Logged on 2019-08-01 12:41 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: lobbesbot. The heathen VPS it is hosted on is migrating their servers. Hopefully will be back online in 24 hours (I didn't want 100% of my stuff on Pizarro; potential central point of failure and all)
asciilifeform: ( as it is, 99% of threads are served by the older snapshot, cuz they concern very basic mechanisms -- but the line #s are liable to be off )
asciilifeform: and hey jurov, can i persuade you to update http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/ to contain the latest flagship tree plz ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:11 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers!!! http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html << .
asciilifeform: if mod6 had the detruncation and the 'who-gave' patches in the flagship tree, we could even potentially find out who...
asciilifeform: at this pt, seems quite evident that someone is throwing around crafted wedge chains (i.e. mined after-the-fact , with backdated timestamp, going from older block) specifically to wedge syncing folx.
asciilifeform: dorion: nao this is interesting. can you dumblock the last 20 or so and tar'em up, post , plz.
dorion: after restarting with -caneat, bitcoind eatblock 588012.blk returns: error: {"code": -2, "message":"Safe mode: WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other node may need to upgrade."
dorion: asciilifeform de-truncation is marked experimental on btcbase.org/patches and thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches
asciilifeform: pretty sure it made it into the flagship vtree
asciilifeform: hmm dorion why didja build w/out the de-truncation patch ?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-there-really-so-many-people-with-such-troubles-in-your-country-to-make-such-medicine-such-an-important-matter-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - "Are there really so many people with such troubles in your country to make such medicine such an important matter?" Adnotated.
dorion: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kpTWI/?raw=true << Here is the snippet starting at first reorg attempt in that run.
dorion: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qT7ce/?raw=true << Here is first 200 lines from debug.log after the restart.
dorion: Given the truncated hashes, I pressed to asciilifeform_whogaveblox.vpatch (which includes mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch), stopped the node and restarted with the new binary.
mp_en_viaje: is it actyually block 588012 hash 0000000000000000000ba68c82d9b620cf028f0642c833a5eda92dbf68d5a3fb ? or is it the next, hafsize one, hash 0000000000000000001498ec3c9796a44b53b8b70186920d15a5e34afcaaa719 ?
asciilifeform: ( cleanly handles the multi-box scenario, too. )
asciilifeform: there's a long queue of 'idjit standards that Must Die if anyffin sane is to be possible'. on other side of the tower, e.g., x86.
mp_en_viaje: especially seeing how nobody is forced or required to fucking use it ; not for a while anyways. can always fall back on present c-ism if would rather.
mp_en_viaje: but now ~that there is structure of authority~... eminently CAN tell.
asciilifeform: the only conceivable reason why httpism lived (for 3!! fucking decades) is cowardice. 'oh noez, couldn't tell reader to install sane browser, MUST compat with internet-exploder' etc
mp_en_viaje: it makes no fuckin gsense at no node in the whole fractal tree of stupid.
mp_en_viaje: why the fuck would lisp webserver serve ANYTHING ELSE
asciilifeform: an' if 'sane server', and 'fuck or go home and tea', may as well then also serve up sexpr instead of the html soup.
asciilifeform: it is far from proven that it could not be substantially improved on. but afaik a) only along the axis of bw economy b) at substantial expense in re moving parts.
mp_en_viaje: but the stance seems tenable that if we're gonna go to all the trouble to make and maintain lisp webserver, might as well make a non-fucked one and make new browsers for it
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there are actually coupla dozen (that asciilifeform knows of) schemes similar in scope to luby's -- i picked his simply cuz a) works b) minimal complexity
asciilifeform: ( even if you have to 'stretch' the FG w/ prngism, still 9000x moar convergence than with bare hands )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: btw this is another application where box with FG wins -- generating fast-converging luby frags
mp_en_viaje: it is very evidently and most eminently the only rught thing.
a111: Logged on 2019-08-01 15:53 asciilifeform: ever wonder why heathens still fascinated, like chukchas with radio found in taiga, with 'bittorrent' ? it's because warez goes at ~line rate~ over 'bittorrent'. and at maybe 2/3 line rate on http on a good weather day. why? cuz bt , despite authored by idiot, ~let go of tcpism~ !
mp_en_viaje: besides, the mechanism splendidly demonstrared in torrents, not like this is arcana toch
a111: Logged on 2019-08-01 15:44 asciilifeform: on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want)
mp_en_viaje: irrespective of how it gets in -- the fact remains, it's STILL not lisp, even if "written in lisp". cuz it's "written in lisp*" where * = as if it were not lisp