ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: didja see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/15/business/dealbook/goldman-to-pay-5-billion-to-settle-claims-of-faulty-mortgages.html
ben_vulpes: portland is about as squatter unfriendly as i've ever seen a city.
ben_vulpes: http://www.wweek.com/2015/10/15/crowd-gathers-to-support-house-squatters-who-allegedly-partied-with-a-corpse/
ben_vulpes: there've been a few squats around town, but with the recent explosion in dirt-demand, they're all getting shuttered and replaced with apartments.
ben_vulpes: ah.
ben_vulpes: then who is selling it
ben_vulpes: and not the property owners?!
ben_vulpes: the...city!?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: insane
ben_vulpes: and not because people price their houses sanely, no. but because apparently all of california is moving here and will buy at any cost.
ben_vulpes: even /less/ common.
ben_vulpes: or it's 2010 and someone walked on a mortgage.
ben_vulpes: or the place is a condemned dump.
ben_vulpes: turnover ~2weeks, unless there's a full renovation in swing.
ben_vulpes: tisn't how things work in my part of the world.
ben_vulpes: weird
ben_vulpes: > house stood empty for a few months
ben_vulpes: phf: just gets cooler and cooler
ben_vulpes: grandma?!
ben_vulpes: chrome is now throwing up "dangerous site" pages for...torrent trackers.
ben_vulpes: what can i say, i muck stables for room and board.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: not to mention your explicit hatred of what makes up the bulk of my work.
ben_vulpes: more like "we don't make much over here, and you don't ride bikes, so i don't think this cult is for you"
ben_vulpes: not a barb, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: SEX
ben_vulpes: huh neet
ben_vulpes: dun recall making an offer
ben_vulpes: wow
ben_vulpes: omg
ben_vulpes: he looks a bit displeased
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << spot the bug
ben_vulpes: https://www.facebook.com/Symbolics-Inc-509092289172342/ << treasure trove
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: will no doubt show up later and "young fool that sounds like the most miserable thing", and yes. we are young fools.
ben_vulpes: no screaming in the office, generally save that for the hill
ben_vulpes: can't afford individual cubes for everyone, 'tis the best design we came up with.
ben_vulpes: benefits: a) privacy. only the desk next to a given desk can really see what's on the screen. b) gotta be intentional about conversations, look around the monitors at each other.
ben_vulpes: at the risk of giving too much of the secret sauce away, first floor of the office surface-level looks like one of those "open plan" offices. except that desks are arranged around the perimeter, with monitors pointed out
ben_vulpes: but hey, enough like home that the memory should fade one day
ben_vulpes: no kicks this time tho
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: ada's not a decent mill?
ben_vulpes: http://www.antiqbuyer.com/images/2012-ARCHIVE-2/IMG_3663.jpg << how about a shitty lathe?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: trb is also a millstone, not a mill.
ben_vulpes: afaict
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ca. 2010 attempt at deep learning for content recommendation
ben_vulpes: not that nicks mean anything i know i know
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: which nicks?
ben_vulpes: now *those* were some choice luz.
ben_vulpes: also, still waiting for tiberius to make it into btcbase
ben_vulpes never entirely certain how much context to provide
ben_vulpes: well yes!
ben_vulpes: more like 16.5M, apparently.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-20#801402 << entirely unrelated, but fun/sad to see.
ben_vulpes: another footnote to asciilifeform's trope about how little software is written off-the-clock
ben_vulpes: https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop.
ben_vulpes: simply a radical departure from surface-level form!
ben_vulpes: (phf: mega thanks for the inline loggurgitation)
ben_vulpes: i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born
ben_vulpes: waybad.
ben_vulpes: i started reading through it a year and a half ago when i committed to excising appleware from the house
ben_vulpes: shinohai: owncloud is a miserable piece of garbage
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how d'you figure re adlai ?
ben_vulpes: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/24/federal-food-stamp-fraud-charges-could-topple-warren-jeffss-flds-church-utahs-largest-polygamous-sect/ << latest and greatest re welfare
ben_vulpes: slightly less time consuming than attempting to jump through the vault door, i suppose
ben_vulpes: hey, they're in the meatwot!
ben_vulpes: sure, right
ben_vulpes: mwell, was nominating stan. wouldn'ta been averse to it myself.
ben_vulpes: (b-dog, amusingly, a nickname of mine from the nineties)
ben_vulpes: hire the beedawg?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: just outta curiosity, how were you going to run the thing?
ben_vulpes: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/neutered-random-number-generator-let-man-rig-million-dollar-lotteries/ << run more dynamically-compiled mission-critical code!
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'll get you a dump later today
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i would *love* a copy of that
ben_vulpes: i get basic auth request too
ben_vulpes: much like the language in its explicitness.
ben_vulpes: very very educational.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i have a trashy pdf copy of dodrill's 95 ada instructional material. lmk if you want a copy.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 83 > 95?
ben_vulpes: or if comments stayed in sync with code or something?
ben_vulpes: man, wouldn't it be neat if CBlockIndex weren't actually a "tree-shaped structure"?
ben_vulpes: > a decision has been made
ben_vulpes: heee
ben_vulpes: output of which...still suxx.
ben_vulpes: i don't...just pointing out the hoops poor d00d had to jump through in order to publish the thing.
ben_vulpes: more so here
ben_vulpes: this is all immaterial. i don't disagree that it's a nifty "all in 1".
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: try rotating to landscape
ben_vulpes: "spreading"!
ben_vulpes: this is /precisely/ that of which i complain
ben_vulpes has been reading through it on the mobi term for dayz, but...miserable css makes mobrowser shit itself
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "random walk" has some /miserable/ css.
ben_vulpes: for lo, trinque labors over the unicode
ben_vulpes: lol
ben_vulpes: sorry phf i only respond to un-prefixed commands
ben_vulpes reconvenes
ben_vulpes unconvenes
ben_vulpes: php bot never wronged me like this
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447504 << this is patently false
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447437 << that someone would use clojure for any kind of scripting activity is hilarious, as startup time measures in integer seconds
ben_vulpes: keep running into the most inane shit getting it running tho
ben_vulpes: trains, bikes, conferences, may even have some sort of conversation piece done at that point
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: going up to clojure/west to acquire a few more problems
ben_vulpes: NO CLIENTS NO PROBLEMS
ben_vulpes: i've been wondering where that patch got off to
ben_vulpes: dope
ben_vulpes: heh heh heh heh
ben_vulpes: what was it, max dynamicism vs max strictness
ben_vulpes: like from:ben_vulpes etc
ben_vulpes: how do i /use/ the new search
ben_vulpes: that was a very sneaky dodge.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey!
ben_vulpes: mod6: ayup
ben_vulpes: SHAME
ben_vulpes: SHAME
ben_vulpes: SHAME
ben_vulpes: what it's not streaming to the browser for rendering with js over websocket?!?!?!?!?!
ben_vulpes: how does search work on the new logz?
ben_vulpes: hyuu
ben_vulpes: "EXTERNAL"?
ben_vulpes: imagine what the third congress will have
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, you think i'm so foolish as to try semantic analysis on...all of the scripts?
ben_vulpes: "crowds0urced"!
ben_vulpes: nono this is a /cynical/ play
ben_vulpes has spent an inordinate amount of time coercing a proprietary db to shit more instances of itself out, is rather fed up with proprietary things
ben_vulpes: nyooz to me.
ben_vulpes: dds has rape category?!
ben_vulpes: war, ghosts etc
ben_vulpes: mostly 'cause i want a movie index categorized by rape, violence, blood, misogyny...
ben_vulpes: trinque: no, more of a "is this movie going to hurt muh feelz?"
ben_vulpes: i am actually noodling on an insanely cynical webapp
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: "twu wuv" ?
ben_vulpes: hanbot is not "woman" in the same way that mod6 is not "redditor"
ben_vulpes: sorta
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: i thought cunt was woman's only saleable asset
ben_vulpes: really how?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--j_gUUw4a--/18ich0cl88iu7jpg.jpg << shelby billet
ben_vulpes: consumers have come to whatever it was
ben_vulpes: super.
ben_vulpes: > and in general remain committed to the success of Bitcoin << aw, that's sweet of you
ben_vulpes: PeterL: did you /read/ the thing? it is not longer even remotely possible to own a stake in the thing anymore.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: as much congratulations as are due and as many condolences.
ben_vulpes: half a mil!
ben_vulpes: anyways, works.
ben_vulpes: which makes batching trivial. "does this key match something in the DB?"
ben_vulpes: does look from here as though there's some key from a request to the action to be performed in the OTP url.
ben_vulpes has no actual idea how trinque's written the thing, only making inferences.
ben_vulpes: or different paths for rating/authing
ben_vulpes: mike_c: requires server-side complexity to handle batched ratings
ben_vulpes: the last time i fucked with bouncers, let's say.
ben_vulpes: ftr it has been utterly rock solid for me since...i don't even remember.
ben_vulpes: weechatup BRO
ben_vulpes: yeah don't do that
ben_vulpes: mike_c: ssh -t $BOUNCER tmux attach
ben_vulpes laughing out loud on the shop floor
ben_vulpes: hahaha
ben_vulpes: mike_c: a bouncer is ~same work as scripting auth
ben_vulpes: http://skarnet.org/poweredby.html << more weirdos
ben_vulpes: many gains yet to be wrung.
ben_vulpes: 2012 miners are still just early adopters.
ben_vulpes: so basically someone who understands how asics work sat down and thought about it for half a second
ben_vulpes: what is this optimization?
ben_vulpes: iirc
ben_vulpes: and yet few actually went so far as to implement that which they were voting for
ben_vulpes: many miners threw the voting bit
ben_vulpes: the mainstreamers had this notion that miners would vote on their acceptance of a certain fork by including some data in the block
ben_vulpes: rather illuminating
ben_vulpes: agorecki: which ones what?
ben_vulpes: agorecki: do you remember the "voting with blocks" fiasco?
ben_vulpes: agorecki: miners run heavily patched whateverthefucktheyfeel like
ben_vulpes: what "bit coin companies", hm?
ben_vulpes: mind the client/protocol gap
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: has the /best/ drugs
ben_vulpes: agorecki: we're just over here having our own little insane bitcoin cult party
ben_vulpes: $up agorecki therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/
ben_vulpes: i wanted to see his brain melt when you linked him to the foundation, ml etc
ben_vulpes: 'twas just getting fun, danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: this is an oooooold thread.
ben_vulpes: agorecki: never did his six months it appears
ben_vulpes: o'*
ben_vulpes: aok yes piles 'o context in there
ben_vulpes: phf: are you familiar with trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ ?
ben_vulpes: it's a half-decent bug report i think
ben_vulpes: ^^ trinque
ben_vulpes: foo
ben_vulpes: phf: correctly restated: "in the context of producing nonce-th block/bit digests per 'prerequisite'"
ben_vulpes: i've yet to determine if ndos survives serialization
ben_vulpes: punkman: kinda orthogonal from serialization of blocks to disk
ben_vulpes: digests
ben_vulpes: er
ben_vulpes: but i do mean cblock specifically, and in the context of producing hashes.
ben_vulpes: "DoS" seems rather farfetched, a readthrough of the DoS usage implies it's more of an ad-hoc block/txn rule enforcement mechanism.
ben_vulpes: does this CBlock->nDos thing actually matter?
ben_vulpes: give or take a figure of significance or two.
ben_vulpes: 1982 muscle car driven at 75-95 mph for 160 miles gets 18.25 mpg
ben_vulpes: in other completely unrelated news, i went out to what passes for wine country here to refresh the office cellars. found some delicious bottles for not absurd prices, lovely people, etc. but! stunner to me at least:
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how did you derive those rates?
ben_vulpes: fully granted, corn in the gas is a tax of its own.
ben_vulpes: it's not all plain 'excise', there's rather a lot of corn in "regular".
ben_vulpes: this has been your consumer energy cost cum shitflation report
ben_vulpes: "regular" gasoline for 1.97/gal, "premium clear" (somewhat higher octane, no ethanol) gas for 3.17/gal
ben_vulpes: nominally, a "Intel D27512 UV Erasable PROM from 1989"
ben_vulpes: and for asciilifeform: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3834/19305969764_42490e7635_o.jpg
ben_vulpes: this is fine
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: jurov: $
ben_vulpes: phf: i'm waiting for him to chime in
ben_vulpes: jurov: trinque is frantically encrypting otps by hand behind the curtain
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to not read too much into it, basically.
ben_vulpes: not having a single model for what anything means is a feature.
ben_vulpes: jurov: but hey perhaps it actually strengthens things to have infrastructure operated by people of varying rank in the various wots
ben_vulpes: hahaha
ben_vulpes: i do not understand mircea_popescu's selection criteria for the new l1, but i don't think i am given to.
ben_vulpes: i am not pleased by many things about the schism, jurov
ben_vulpes: hi jurov
ben_vulpes: wutwut
ben_vulpes: well when you put it that way it's blindingly obvious
ben_vulpes: can someone tell me what the syntax `unsigned int& nNonce = *(unsigned int*)(pdata + 12);` in the context of http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2661 means?
ben_vulpes: http://clojurewest.org/speakers#ssierra << related
ben_vulpes chuckles darkly
ben_vulpes: i'm not entirely certain this is such a bad thing
ben_vulpes: oh and tmux
ben_vulpes: "rsync and asdf:load-system" (tm r phf)
ben_vulpes: "i'm not ghetto! i swear!"
ben_vulpes: "i sensed this fist in me"
ben_vulpes: "fistally sensible"
ben_vulpes knows, has a civic
ben_vulpes: civic is 'poor' not 'ghetto'
ben_vulpes: infiniti
ben_vulpes: they're "fiscally sensible"
ben_vulpes: dude toyotas aren't ghetto
ben_vulpes: i can attest to this
ben_vulpes: strip club, singles
ben_vulpes: submitted the foundation statement yesterday, i've heard of no resignation
ben_vulpes: see also 'lulzy shit'
ben_vulpes: yes yes
ben_vulpes: surely they're just available for dynamic linking in twitter's global namespace
ben_vulpes: http://keccak.noekeon.org/tweetfips202.html << lulzy shit
ben_vulpes: bahaha
ben_vulpes: god no
ben_vulpes: in other news, the keccak reference implementation appears to have been written on a windows machine
ben_vulpes: (i don't know where that errant 'roles' came from)
ben_vulpes: inland i believe they source yeast roles from landwhale folds