ben_vulpes: how old?
ben_vulpes: familiarity breeds contempt or what was it
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: shithouse has a certain...aesthetic.
ben_vulpes: and everything to do with inane wwwtronics
ben_vulpes: my foul mood has nothing to do with childrearing
ben_vulpes: davout even i think was older than i for his
ben_vulpes: ergo find new friends who are also doing the same.
ben_vulpes: i am possibly the youngest hipster /deciding/ to have children. this means that none of the other hipsters want to be friends any more, because what sane person with hobbies etc hangs out with married and children.
ben_vulpes: looky
ben_vulpes: i learned it from you!
ben_vulpes: tanning tanks still reek as ever
ben_vulpes: friends, not colleagues, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
ben_vulpes: new chapter, new friends
ben_vulpes: nonono
ben_vulpes: but hey the girls are helping each other nurse already so the project moves forward
ben_vulpes: trees don't grow overnight
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not yet
ben_vulpes: kibbutzcubation perhaps
ben_vulpes: that'd tend to imply the marching of people to the kibbutz
ben_vulpes: she is childproofing and driving the kibbutz incubation project quite nicely thank you very much
ben_vulpes: /i/ am having a bad week.
ben_vulpes: and /i/ soaked the scale
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no /i/ spilled the coffe
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what are my housewife problems?
ben_vulpes: or os x
ben_vulpes: like not using windows
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: that's more a baseline requirement
ben_vulpes: spilled the coffee, soaked the chinese shitscale
ben_vulpes: inane wwwtronics, ofc
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: teething isn't really my problem
ben_vulpes is having a bad week
ben_vulpes: oh and php is non-bullshit i c
ben_vulpes: magical tank of wine with particles of shit that is still drinkable somehow?
ben_vulpes: what is a non-bullshit wwwtronicist?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lemonade from the morning tragedy
ben_vulpes: noise, of course
ben_vulpes: in other rng news http://i.imgur.com/TxFLW5F.jpg
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: two weeks
ben_vulpes: i see kakobrekla fixed the "no loglines no prev/next" bug
ben_vulpes noms an abstraction
ben_vulpes: my cattle
ben_vulpes: and these--
ben_vulpes: the world is a concrete box!
ben_vulpes: what cell
ben_vulpes: "exposure to cn!"
ben_vulpes: "big data!"
ben_vulpes: "for teh car!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-china-idUSKCN0Y404W, to pick at random
ben_vulpes: especially after the buffet "america is best investmant!1" routine of the past five years?
ben_vulpes: nobody finds the proximity of this to the 'apple invests 1b in didi" story interesting?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467578 << sorta works, for some value of work, some of the time. throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
ben_vulpes still has no idea what he's doing on the lordship, has barely adlai-grade snr
ben_vulpes: http://66.media.tumblr.com/c674eb0ca22b78f6f3527bf1ff37a14f/tumblr_o5ftx1qfGK1v05rsfo1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: high praise
ben_vulpes: jew enough to get in, too ethnic to get joo gold once in
ben_vulpes: dun think mine ooms terrifically often. not in my personal memory at least.
ben_vulpes: haven't we had this thread before, of that the network is not paricularly enumerable, and with the malleability of version strings that counting them is somewhat less than pointless?
ben_vulpes: i'm supposed to give a shit about 21.co?
ben_vulpes: what is this website that counts nodes
ben_vulpes: it's trivially swapped out once in the machine
ben_vulpes: i seek to entertain, what
ben_vulpes: they want to /give you the keypair/
ben_vulpes: rsa if i understand your question
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, amazon has buried the ingestion point for ssh pubkeys in a truly obscure corner of their systems
ben_vulpes: that is *never* refreshed, only more swill poured atop
ben_vulpes: most places with waitresses, ceramic mugs and delivery use an air pot anyways
ben_vulpes: kinda orthogonal
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: there's nothing wrong with a well-used airpot in theory, but it does require dumping the remains every ~10 minutes for a fresh pot. yes, this means that low-volume shops cannot serve good coffee from an airpot, but since when has that stopped anyone.
ben_vulpes: anything airborne without a human on it.
ben_vulpes: ;;ls
ben_vulpes: no shit, hanbot
ben_vulpes: now that he's got the whole keyset he can properly duplicate and backdate stan's work
ben_vulpes: boeck's going to show up with all of the keys and a backdated modulus or two now
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell luke-jr trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466205 << who thought it was a good idea to a) send luke-jr on a diplomatic mission to tmsr b) with no formal ask
ben_vulpes: i'm certainly doing things dramatically differently next time.
ben_vulpes: you think i'm unaware?
ben_vulpes: (cue asciilifeform: "wat? gurl in programmering!?")
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
ben_vulpes: doesn't sound all bad
ben_vulpes: "pairing"?
ben_vulpes: what precisely is the goal of having her hawk on you
ben_vulpes: is she even producing useful input?
ben_vulpes: lol
ben_vulpes: manager? intern?
ben_vulpes: jesus why is someonne actually watching over your shoulder?
ben_vulpes: nobody can tell then
ben_vulpes: gotta use the irc gateway for the corporate chat
ben_vulpes: were they curious about your new adventures?
ben_vulpes: 'rather fuckable' pulled my right eyebrow clear up to my hairline
ben_vulpes: has his wot, lives in its bubble.
ben_vulpes: he is by my read "an old man"
ben_vulpes: trinque: yeah i should try that again
ben_vulpes: yup this chat app is eating > 4G of ram rn
ben_vulpes: 'team'
ben_vulpes: it fires up a new webkit foe every team
ben_vulpes: /slack/ is miserable
ben_vulpes: no no
ben_vulpes: because you need 300mb of browser to edit text files
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: webkit 'editor'
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/lzsthw/status/724416377704980484 << oh ffs why do people insist on buffers not ALWAYS REFLECTING THAT WHICH IS ON DISK?
ben_vulpes: the constant restarts!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is famous!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't actually know him
ben_vulpes: mostly notable in my mind for not taking shit and dishing out solid cussings
ben_vulpes: programmer/humorist isn't bad
ben_vulpes: http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html
ben_vulpes: i think at this point $google only serves to demonstrate how pathetically useless google is.
ben_vulpes: $google "rails is a ghetto"
ben_vulpes: https://zedshaw.com/2015/07/26/turd-cookies/ << morning chuckles
ben_vulpes: i suppose
ben_vulpes: i can't really imagine "serving the people" in any way
ben_vulpes: nigga were you sleeping during third grade american civics? all he did is not veto it
ben_vulpes: someone tried to tell me obab did away with DADT
ben_vulpes: man i hate the "legacy building" phase of presidencies
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/znort987/blockparser << same znort?
ben_vulpes: congrats asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: that novelty penny looks DOPE
ben_vulpes: me, i'm booking batcave hammocks asap
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/637lm << unrelatedly, don't you want to stay at the cow cave? the akita house? perhaps the host of the kangaroo treehouse's beguiling pose will entice you into a rental. if none of those appeal, consider pug palace, cow boat, or the cottage cheese cottage
ben_vulpes: produces the same hash as the submitted file
ben_vulpes: anyways, should you care to, you can now also `curl -L -F "pastebox=@foo.txt" wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com`
ben_vulpes: browsers frequently pass newlines from forms as \r\n
ben_vulpes: mod6: done
ben_vulpes: again, if i recall correctly, asciilifeform's v will press all of the same-leaf-level patches as the given patch, /up to the given patch (inclusive)/ in alphabetical order
ben_vulpes: (and then the given patch)
ben_vulpes: as in, given this patchset, and this particular patch, apply all of the antecedents in the correct order.
ben_vulpes: it's only ever made sense to me in the context of pressing a specific patch.
ben_vulpes: what they have secret combudder/aerospace engineering programs?
ben_vulpes: heh.
ben_vulpes: never comes out of /ar/ embassy?
ben_vulpes: ah, transition.
ben_vulpes: phf ^^
ben_vulpes: > press as a graph transition << would you elaborate?
ben_vulpes: although hang on let me think
ben_vulpes: that edges mean patches share a common hash
ben_vulpes: phf: iirc that notion descends from stan's original V.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i lold
ben_vulpes: a us bank is willing to touch customer keys? o.O
ben_vulpes: "moles vs ants"?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: once again for teh illiterate?
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: dag that's some /jew/
ben_vulpes: there's a deedbot ripoff doing the rounds as well
ben_vulpes: yech
ben_vulpes: the idiocy on display is no longer even amusing.
ben_vulpes: in other *other* news, "lastpass" password sharting tool won't let users *see* shared passwords, but does provide for *copying* shared passwords and pasting into arbitrary other places on the computer. further, if one gets into the DOM and changes the "password" attr on the relevant element the browser will happily render it in place.
ben_vulpes: my morning: http://wordpress.shithouse.tv/
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461579 << so yes, i appear to have fallen for what i took to be a gem but was in fact a paste replica of a gem /someone saw one time/
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: timeout? works fine from here
ben_vulpes off
ben_vulpes: "you mean i don't have to think about the db!?!?"
ben_vulpes: 'tis the root of the success of Rails and friends
ben_vulpes: Foo.objects.get(pk=20) or Foo.objects.get(name="Stan")
ben_vulpes: may ye long remain ignorant of it
ben_vulpes: "object relational model"
ben_vulpes: > allows programmers to work directly with objects as if they were in memory while in fact the object data is always stored persistently << stinks of ORM shit-dippery
ben_vulpes: were i not desperately trying to eke my own living out i would most likely be camping outside of the cognitect offices until they took pity upon me and let me sweep the floor.
ben_vulpes: i harbor no illusions in this regard.
ben_vulpes: it is the classic "db that looks good but needs tender loving care from its authors to work well" software trap.
ben_vulpes: yeah, i only run on postgres for that precise reason.
ben_vulpes: mhm.
ben_vulpes sobs
ben_vulpes: > allegro cache
ben_vulpes: (and also as previously discussed in logs, the scraps on my table are rarely of "web scale" magnitude)
ben_vulpes: phf: i would like to hear about what kinds of misery you've found in datomic. not to doubt! never to doubt the misery of technology. but out of curiosity, and limits-finding by proxy.
ben_vulpes: mostly, i find rocks of various sharpness and heaviness and use them to beat my local reality into shape.
ben_vulpes: i wish i had the historical perspective to even know.
ben_vulpes: phf: knows from experience?!
ben_vulpes: whatever it is that returns the JSON that sends mircea_popescu scrambling and screaming for the "programmer's view"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, that. or your actual logic layer of choice.
ben_vulpes: because if it cannot support multiple web hosts, it is not a db with which i will fuck.
ben_vulpes: elephant on PG.
ben_vulpes: when, smack back in SQLland.
ben_vulpes: mostly, except as trinque discovered when one goes to do joins.
ben_vulpes: seemed very specifically a CLOS data store.
ben_vulpes: but i don't know enough about elephant to say.
ben_vulpes: ish
ben_vulpes: simple an EAVT data store with a single threaded writer. caches recent images of the db in peer memory (yes, 'immutable' db).
ben_vulpes: not an expert system, not ai, not anything special.
ben_vulpes: the answer to 'ever play with symbolics *' is always 'no', dude.
ben_vulpes: effectively a distributed prolog-alike db, to the extent that i can be trusted to call something 'prolog-alike'
ben_vulpes: proprietary proggy that sits atop your $db of choice
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, datomic is a *very* spiffy data abstraction layer.
ben_vulpes: look at the upside! think of all the tacks you don't have to chew!
ben_vulpes: you could be fielding questions from clients past about why you billed them nine hundred grand for misc. support over the month.
ben_vulpes: but hey!
ben_vulpes: path dependency's a bitch.
ben_vulpes: how useless?
ben_vulpes: not in wot, not published.
ben_vulpes: no code, not published.
ben_vulpes: poor baby
ben_vulpes: square?
ben_vulpes: "half of my advertising budget is wasted, i just don't know which half."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hit enter?
ben_vulpes: http://www.techworm.net/2015/05/two-security-researchers-break-rsa-4096-bit-keys-with-phuctor.html << needs updating?
ben_vulpes: zarbee!
ben_vulpes: yeah, once i browbeat my parents into moving me to a school with a decent physics and math program things picked up.
ben_vulpes: attitude towards math during my tenure at hippieschool was "oh, you finished the long division worksheet? oh uh let me go photocopy some more."
ben_vulpes: with the math, right?
ben_vulpes: kindergarten, maybe.
ben_vulpes: sure, if it'd happened before 5th grade.
ben_vulpes: teacher lined us up, holding the rod, and applied a torch to one end.
ben_vulpes: (of startling diameter, in retrospect. musta cost a fortune.)
ben_vulpes: the school had a copper rod
ben_vulpes: do you know how we were taught about conduction?
ben_vulpes: eloise*
ben_vulpes: just call me eliose
ben_vulpes: yes i grew up in ahotel
ben_vulpes: fucking /life/ has been remedial study.
ben_vulpes: dude my third grade was waldorf
ben_vulpes: mhm well let me know when you find those other loglines
ben_vulpes: plus not in log can't possibly be famous.
ben_vulpes: look i didn't grow up on usenet it's nyoooooz to me
ben_vulpes: from the annals of perverse technology reuse: http://i.imgur.com/ctEveER.jpg
ben_vulpes: already wrote three tests this morning. making coffee and wanking over scintillation for a spell.
ben_vulpes: me
ben_vulpes: it's disturbing how hard this conversation is making
ben_vulpes: aaaaah
ben_vulpes: why the neutron requirement?
ben_vulpes: pediwikia suggests polyethylene naphthalate as scintillating plastic
ben_vulpes: jurov now has the (enviable?) privilege of determining the likelihood that the call will be exercised, and adjusting his reserves accordingly.
ben_vulpes: this is banking
ben_vulpes: but this is all kind of moot, because at the end of the day, jurov is simply on the hook for princessnell's shares, should someone with her key ever come along to claim them.
ben_vulpes: so princessnell can't up, because can't keys. what of it, ergo "not princessnell".
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459887 << this sits poorly with me too, ftr
ben_vulpes: (heh great error message, trinque )
ben_vulpes: oh brutal i didn't know princessnell'd hosed herself
ben_vulpes: this week "myeah you've got thirty days to codify this business logic up and wrap it up in a webapp"
ben_vulpes: three weeks ago, "hey team, work looks slow for the forseeable future. everyone take fridays off!"
ben_vulpes: that apparently only i have a chance at getting out the door in time
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: bezzletronic short deadline immense scope throwaway internal project for local dropshipper
ben_vulpes: i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two
ben_vulpes: mazel tov, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell felipelalli you have good taste what can i say
ben_vulpes: having recently returned from detroit and misc ohio suburbs, my part of the coast has, in comparison, nearly zero 'obeasts'.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: talk about automating the reactor controls...
ben_vulpes: /deedbot hands you a mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that too
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you should see the hoops they jump through to get people saving their everything to icloud
ben_vulpes: best guess anyone had is that she plugged his phone into her computer one time and imported everything into iphoto and thence mme
ben_vulpes: friend had photos from his android device show up on his girl's mme account one time
ben_vulpes: punkman, phf: neat, til
ben_vulpes has not read comics in a while
ben_vulpes: oh man jthm
ben_vulpes: the color is limited to covers
ben_vulpes: in the vein, i suppose