mircea_popescu: well yes but the idea was to split.
davout: which allowed any existing node to trivially serve any arbitrary wallet, at the cost of a 2gb memory scan for unspent outs
davout: i thought trb was keeping them in ram already
mircea_popescu: keeping a pile of ALL utxos, as the alternative, is not very good, because you end up storing a bunch of (potentially toxic) crap
mircea_popescu: well ok so then you can just make it.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the user has a leg to stand on, "i'm not sure which my addresses are". if you add some - there's a (minor) penalty.
davout: as far as the wallet is concerned it's pretty much "when new address is added, rescan blockchain, have relevant txes in specific collection"
davout: mircea_popescu: i agree that the description made in the convo you linked is a very desirable target architecture
asciilifeform: (rather than 'slack', aol, etc.)
mircea_popescu: lol ok. anyway, the issue is that you seemed diverged, ie conversation is there, you're doing something else with no real discussion of why / what's wrong with it / etc.
davout: so basically i thought it would be quite easy to cleanly decouple the wallet from the node, but i'm now stuck with the realization that for now the most workable option will simply be to make small improvements here and there
davout: has the index, should ask user to select outputs, not automagically generate transaction
mircea_popescu: i also dun get 2. how's the fact you already have the index you need related to the fact prb fucks up output selection ?
davout: of the coupling?
mircea_popescu: didja ever discuss the unsuitability of that ?
mircea_popescu: ok, so then what's teh problem ?
mircea_popescu: that's the bit i was looking for.
davout: the existing wallet already does that
mircea_popescu: davout so the competing idea, other than "maintain uxto unspent index", was "maintain index of txn involving specified list of addresses"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 20:42 mircea_popescu: this scheme among other things cheaply allows the "add arbitrary new address to wallet", just have utility that (separately) processes B.B and produces new set of B.T.
davout: well, obviously, but there's no particular reason your signed tx has to go out through ~your~ node
asciilifeform: (at some point you gotta touch the net, if you want to broadcast tx, or learn that you've been paid)
davout: asciilifeform: the idea was that the internet facing piece shouldn't have this kind of information
asciilifeform: davout: likewise i have nfi why wallet split requires indexing ~all~ unspents. just index the ones the user specifies
asciilifeform: davout: the '~2gb tops' may (or may not) be true currently, but it is a fundamentally unbounded quantity. as discussed in 2 very recent threads with mircea_popescu re 'proton decay' and ultimate lifespan of bitcoin
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:00 davout: thestringpuller: UTXO set is ~2gb tops, indexing might be nice but necessary to scan for UTXOs that match a given set of addresses, also the wallet part can cache them if that particular wallet is the only one able to actually spend those UTXIs
mircea_popescu saving the next 14:25 - 13:55 interval of this convo.
mircea_popescu: "how so" "because you didn't link to the conversation here, you linked to your own thingee"
davout: found out that i in fact hallucinated the existence of this index, which may or may not have been added later on to prb, but was absent from trb
asciilifeform: '(S//NF) All tools must utilize OS provided cryptographically secure sources of entropy (e.g., /dev/random on *nix, Microsoft CryptoAPI, etc) and should be a source compliant with NIST SP 800- 90. If a non-800-90 mechanism is used, the output from the source of entropy must be hashed with SHA-256 prior to use. Deviations from this must be justified and accepted by the OCRB.' -- 'Network Operations Division Cryptographic Requirements'
davout: back at square one, did some reading to get started on implementing what i had in mind (full scan of the UTXO upon request for UTXOs relevant to addresses)
mircea_popescu: "what part of the conversation this links to ?" "no, just stuff going on in my head" "seems like stuff going on in your head" "how so"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 14:25 mircea_popescu: davout this links into which part of the conversation ?
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622669 <<< folks wondering how the "wallet split" was going
BingoBoingo: If no one else writes /me will, but mostly offering mircea_popescu and asciilifeform, S.NSA partners well earned "dibs" if they want them
Framedragger: some kind of boys club with too much time on their hands lol.
BingoBoingo: Who wants the honor of writing of Wikileaks Phuctor gloating for Qntra?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger they have a point, indians don't do unit tests.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure you did, especially given that there totally even are other things to do irl. like... what ?
mircea_popescu: "oh i had some other things to do."
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem being that it's way the fuck easier to spend day clicking through lolpics and "voting" on whatever retarded 2.0 site than reading the logs ; which then down the road means that one can'd do jack shit that's useful because drooled in class instead of paying attention. and so it goes, the gap between man and cow ever deepens.
asciilifeform: anybody who wants a copy of the 'implants' wikilicks censored, just gotta log into some of the phuctored boxen.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the fellow who was looking to be useful could write a phuctor - confirmed - by - wikileaks piece for qntra.
asciilifeform: also apparently mircea_popescu was right about the staffing problems, https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_23134361.html
asciilifeform: lel, mikrotik is ~the~ platform apparently.
mircea_popescu: hardly worth 0.1% of the budget. "cyberwarfare" hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the "law enforcement" / terrorist government bs reduces to "we're like in the top 20 or so malware houses". hurr.
asciilifeform: the wikifolx censored ip list for some reason
mircea_popescu: half the time they don't even bother to argue the point, go down like common malware artists.
asciilifeform: and also hilarious 'HIVE is a multi-platform CIA malware suite and its associated control software. The project provides customizable implants for Windows, Solaris, MikroTik (used in internet routers) and Linux platforms and a Listening Post (LP)/Command and Control (C2) infrastructure to communicate with these implants.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1622672 << https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1 >> massive bag'o'lulz, in some ways considerably moar 'current' than the snowden rubbish . includes discussion of 'nsa is retarded, they forget to strip out debug crapola', etc
mircea_popescu: notrly. trump vs the rogue usg, kinda meh.
mircea_popescu: davout this links into which part of the conversation ?
davout: so i did some reading re the wallet separation thing and ended up realizing i had an incorrect idea about trb's internals
asciilifeform: ('fix' is peculiar choice of word, the minefield laid was quite deliberate and purposeful)
mircea_popescu: is coreboot the thing with the derposexual trying to posture itself into relevancy on other people's code ?
mod6: "I was told core has all the best dev and you guys let us down like this..." << lmao
mircea_popescu: kinda why she ended up doing herself, normal people (tm) have other priorities than making the swarf pretty.
mircea_popescu: and so the swarf was basically testimony of uneven work hardening.
mircea_popescu: nah, steel will make these pretty colorful blue-to-yelloy bands
asciilifeform: ( if you're cutting anything other than brass, you get ~= razor wire , like clockwork )
mircea_popescu: lol. it went on the stage, yo! to grand effect!
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: or how do you call it in english, the colorful byproduct.
asciilifeform: i don't know precisely why not. but it is in asciilifeform's lived experience, fwiw, a 'man bites the dog'
mircea_popescu: and there's nothing wrong with women fucking, nor with the actress, cnc miller's or floor washer's art. heck, god knows i've had my private female property engage in all of those. but it sure as fuck ain't academic, forgetaboutit.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: if writing is not your strongest asset, you are not an academic and stick to the stage, doing whatever parlor tricks.
mircea_popescu: in fact -- if ANY professor is better through video than writing, and i don't mean better overall - if he is better in any one definite way, then THEREFORE that person is not a professor but a hunting dog.
asciilifeform: the folx whose lectures ~anybody still watches, e.g., sussman, are known largely for the written form
mircea_popescu: academics is the exclusive domain of the written form. if one can not convey in that manner, one is entirely inadherent to any sort of academic life.
mircea_popescu: because yes, i'm sure she learned by watching another interchangeable item just like her.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit. there's a woman on her knees polishing my floor as we speak. you propose her trade is academic also ?
mircea_popescu: yes, technical instruction works best in the manner of monkey see monkey do
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this academic.
asciilifeform: aactually i can think of 1 other subj
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only topic on which video works is girl fucking. and even there -- stills are preferable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sicp film was ~watchable, but it is ancient, 1980s, and not even filmed at mit iirc (sussman taught the class for hp employees)
mircea_popescu: and in five-year-old-lulz, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10290243/Russia-mocks-Britain-the-little-island.html
trinque: you're supposed to click through them whenever they get linked on reddit, then you put "autodidact" in your twitter profile
asciilifeform: iirc there are tall piles of canned lectures from mit, etc, wherever you like, on www; somehow did not lead to magical golden age of learningz.
asciilifeform mildly surprised that there is still such a thing as lectures in berkeley, and that anyone bothered to film'em
trinque: how do they expect me to watch gender studies courses on how to properly sit on my hands?
asciilifeform: '“This move will also partially address recent findings by the Department of Justice, which suggests that the YouTube and iTunes U content meet higher accessibility standards as a condition of remaining publicly available,” Koshland said. “Finally, moving our content behind authentication allows us to better protect instructor intellectual property from ‘pirates’ who have reused content
asciilifeform: 'The University of California, Berkeley, will cut off public access to tens of thousands of video lectures and podcasts in response to a U.S. Justice Department order that it make the educational content accessible to people with disabilities.'
asciilifeform: that's just the 1 asciilifeform happened to know
mircea_popescu: the plumber, always rampant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is an ancient song re subj, 'бабушка здорова...кушает компот...и мечтает снова...пережить налёт' ( http://www.kbelyaev.ru/txt/babuchka.htm )
mircea_popescu: "breaking news : so very importuned were the damsels by that fabled rod, they made an appointment to be visited again next week."
mircea_popescu has participated in this sort of "home invasion" where one girl got fucked, the other one "are you going to fuck me too ?" "maybe tomorrow". on the morrow, dilligent, awaiting her turn...
mircea_popescu: dude fucks some kids, usg files suit on the expectation that kidfucker is going to be so fucking impressed with them caring he'll sign anything they want. when this expectation fails to materialize, usg asks judge to roll back time, "really for keepsies never happensies", judge agrees, on the rationale that maybe we fuck him later. dude... sticks around.
mircea_popescu: which nevertheless he will do, as per alf's "there's no shortage of usg cowsies who WISH to be such."
asciilifeform: ( and the occasional login into various ??? tested by some idiot )
Framedragger: (not implying that there's much worth for any noob to start running a tor node *now*.)
Framedragger: sure. well, tor had been rather useful to me before, i took from it more than it's taken from me, so at least there's that. :)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: unless you're personally lifting useful bits from the traffic: if it costs even a penny, it's a wasted penny
asciilifeform: ( while we're on subj, gotta wonder how many of the 'death ray' folx even ~did~ ever do any such thing as running tor, 'dealing on darkmarket', etc. and how many -- simply idiots, infected with usg shitware and then 'plea bargain' because 0 effective defense )
asciilifeform: ( and to then 'plead guilty' etc )
asciilifeform: the real lul imho is that there appears to be no serious shortage of monkeys willing to run tor
asciilifeform: 'the good toys' being what -- presumably, items built against something other than tor, winblowz, etc ..?
trinque: asciilifeform: grunts that did this probably don't get the good toys
asciilifeform: trinque: the ministry of parallel-construction must be on strike, or wut.
ben_vulpes: in more lcs gold: http://archive.is/XcC3N << not only are the damned things made of paper and disintegrate as soon as you drop them in the water, but the amount of money that the usg.navy has burnt on them is actually so embarrassing as to be worth a classification fight
trinque: aside the fact that tor doesn't work
trinque: we would - I'm sure - be shocked to find that the top secret exploit is the damned rebranded firefox
asciilifeform: the real gold: '"Disclosure is not currently an option. Dismissal without prejudice leaves open the possibility that the government could bring new charges should there come a time within the statute of limitations when and the government be in a position to provide the requested discovery."'
asciilifeform: in other lelzies, http://archive.is/ODtxR >> 'Rather than share the now-classified technological means that investigators used to locate a child porn suspect, federal prosecutors in Washington state have dropped all charges against a man accused of accessing Playpen, a notorious and now-shuttered website.'
mircea_popescu: fig 7 directly what you'd expect based on the competent discussion of "What is a timer"
mircea_popescu: the breaking virtualization.
asciilifeform: to this very day i haven't anything better than jurov's lxr thing (and the map in my head.)
trinque: not unlike what's on the wot browser
asciilifeform: trinque: how didja make the map ?
trinque: I've been slogging through the thing reading the paths for acquiring and validating blocks, and my god, must have map.
trinque: also, speaking of wot.deedbot.org (and specifically the generated SVGs) and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-04#1186410 (which I have patches in hand to fix the build) I may have something of a usable trb map in the near future.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, they were going to open the school year today, so they went on strike instead. soberania! haymasfuturo!
mircea_popescu: look-up table has its niche. it isn;t the universal solution of all computing.
Framedragger: well, at least your user input is segregated into two 'containers': 1. GET requests for static files; and 2. user comments - processed by some specific script, separate from the rest. but yeah, this isn't exactly amazing innovation, i agree.
Framedragger: trinque: point taken. :) (i'll only repeat one thing here: in a 'proper static site' setup, one is *not* exposing vulns of a scripting language to the web. only those of the webserver.)
trinque: Framedragger: oh also, take a look at the history of exploits against python sometime.
trinque: if you're sitting there saying "huh, now my writes take a year because I have to update sidebar comments on every page I ever wrote"
Framedragger: (just for posterity, other metrics say that consumer ssds seek average may be ~3ms.)
trinque: if the thing benefits from caching, cache
trinque: as always with tools, there is not a one-size-fits-all rule to be dumbly applied
Framedragger: btw, if you store 2**64 nodes in a (balanced) binary tree, wouldn't the "number of seeks" be ~64? i suppose that doesn't look too pretty, but considering that an ssd's seek time is ~0.1ms... not that these numbers are rigorous or anything.
mircea_popescu: neways ; i shall be back to town. anyone wanting to argue the above -- in a few hours.
mircea_popescu: (and no, any other storage scheme is cheating -- you're trying to use my f(x) = 2x without admitting it.)
mircea_popescu: it's certainly and always larger. but whether it's faster is a harder problem.
mircea_popescu: fx = 2x can be flattened into (1, 2), (2, 4), (3, 6) etc. this clearly flattens it in space, but just as clearly fucks up the time. now you have to seek.
Framedragger: first off, the former has a less clear attack surface, may depend on script in question, etc. second off, may scale not as well (no this is not the same as kiddie complaining that an rdbms is "not web scale").
mircea_popescu: over space, yes. over time - not necessarily. that is the rub here.
Framedragger: no need to compress, what i meant by compression is that an index is sorta-doing that. storing flat files on fs is basically 'flattening' the process over space and time.
mircea_popescu: what is the cogent difference between these symbols, "script-specific php processes" and "a standardised additional unit of its resources" ?
Framedragger: well, the compression-decompression process is so to speak serialised / offloaded to an fs. not a bad thing!
mircea_popescu: some kind of index. otherwise you end up repeating shit to high heavens for no reason, and your computer looks more like an abacus.
mircea_popescu: seems hardly to justify the foregoing of an index.
mircea_popescu: in your flat scheme, the words "Trilema - a blog by mircea_popescu " would appear... 72k times!
mircea_popescu: otherwise what you're proposing is "but hey, i'd still have root, and ssh or no ssh... it's still the same"
Framedragger: right, well-managed permissions ensure that any 'break-in' would only result in one being able to *read* some files. but i think your abstraction breaks quickly: i'm sure your php user is able to write files (file upload), even if to a single dir, and to write to db. so it's still not the same.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is kind-of spurious, not like trilema wasn't "attacked". there's even articles celebrating the puzzled wtf of the would be attacker, "wut do you mean my magic has no power here"
mircea_popescu: pile-of-.html-files exposes your directory structure to the world ; badly set permissions have the same effect as i dunno, mysql with an open hole.
mircea_popescu: and the notion that you won't expose the language to the web is not equivalent to the actuality that you opt to use such a banal language nothing can be done which to your mind is equivalent to "not exposing". the man who doesn't lock his door because his chamber contains no maid is not the same thing as the man who doesn't lock his door because his maid is more danger to the youths about than they to her.
mircea_popescu: what webserver is there that works like bitcoin, single thread ?
Framedragger: (though i'm sure mp-wp is on the whole ~decent in terms of holes/security.)
Framedragger: as regards language choice, yeah, i see your point, "just use the right tool". thing is, with an *actual* static site, you would not expose the language to the web, at all. the only attack surface would be that of the webserver. cf. a wordpress site which as folks say is a "web shell with blog functionality on the side" :)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: that's not the only difference. a 'php' site launches and runs additional process(es) to serve user requests. now i guess you could say that "it's just a detail", on the grand picture it's the same (nginx requires additional resources to serve static files), but that would be stretching it.
mircea_popescu: turn it any way you want, a flat, disk-bound website IS in point of fact a "dynamic" website loaded into a de facto disk-bound database. the only difference is that you chose to stupidify the index, which is now "exposed" to the user as a band-aid measure over the fact that you failed to do anything with it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re static : in context "static" denotes "how much comes from the disk as opposed as through cpuization", there's no other measure. a page stored as files with the extension .html is ~slightly~ more static than a page which is stored as files with the extension .txt in a directory structure that is their de-facto index and are then mixed together into a thing whenever a page is called.
mircea_popescu: php is a hypertext preprocessor. that's what it does, websites. just like the rubber dome in your bathroom unclogs the toilet. does it disgust you ? it's a tool, you're not expected to keep it on the diner table.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i see what you mean, but you can't really call it 'static' by any metric. in point of fact i'm surprised you're not grossed out over the fact that the whole thing is a large stinking pile of dynamic php. i guess the counterargument is that it *gets the job done*, very well, over many years. :) so there's that. but i'd like to ditch the 'wp' from 'mp-wp' one day. but maybe baby steps.
mircea_popescu: the calls are isolated, wouldn't be the end of the world to replace with a filesystem equivalent.
shinohai mysql is the reason shinohai ..... has procrastinated with mp-wp
mircea_popescu: Framedragger thinking about it, the ~only correct solution is for the mp-wp maintainer to remove mysql in favour of a flatfile "db" system. then it will be properly static, or as close as its job allows.
shinohai shudders at the thought of a cucumber strapon
BingoBoingo: These things happen
shinohai: I had a no-shit "Vegan Dominatrix" follow me the other day. Whole new subculture I never heard about.
shinohai: Well it's on the list, something whore related. Still trying to build the slut following with my twitter bot at moment.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Have you considered starting a something to get some editorial experience? Perhaps you can be the publisher of "The Most Serene Republic's Journal Of Gardening And Whoreticulture"?
shinohai waves back, thanks mircea_popescu for his motivations over the years.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-05 04:04 lobbes: I cannot think of any other way either without even a tiny bit of JS
mircea_popescu: lobbes not a terrible idea, only problem is it cuts to irc line. some comments are long. (otherwise i'd have moved myself)
Framedragger: what i _would_ like is to be able to have these kinds of comments in an otherwise static site (the comment box would be the dynamic component, so to speak - an autonomous backend module/script/whatever). not a part of a large ugly php blob.
ben_vulpes: aaand in other ultra amusing covers unearthed while partying at the cousins... http://archive.is/udKgb
ben_vulpes: the thing that finally sold me was unique footnote references across corpus.
ben_vulpes: my trinque-simulator sez "wtf with this sqlite; have a process listening for changes to the comments table and re-rendering the comments page upon submission"
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: yes, but it requires a dynamic component on the backend, right?
Framedragger: my maybe-convoluted personal plan was to have a static site generator but to have the comment box be rendered by a dynamic component (hence loaded separately upon user clicking to comment, or sth.) that component does the 'fraud prevention without JS' magic (like with trilema's comments - IP address is sent to html form to be returned as hidden value / whatnot). when comment is submitted, it gets added to some queue
lobbes: either that or I'll just leave it without the ability to properly quote an arbitrary selection.
Framedragger: so actually, if you were willing to use that text selection JS snippet, i guess it'd be possible, sorta. commenter would paste autogenerated link and write on irc `http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-february-2017-statement/#selection-1017.0-1017.97 << kewl`; but then how about overall comment length (have a way of indicating a multi-irc-line comment), etc...
Framedragger: i guess they could include blog post number at least, but then not full proper quotation as you say. arbitrary selection within a DOM element only possible with some JS (trilema and archive.is at least have that JS piece tucked nicely in one place, not a total horror)
lobbes: yeah, seems like it'd be a pain for the commenter to have to manually input that info to the bot
Framedragger: lobbes: selection as in on the website, to provide unique href to selection?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-05#1622326 << just checked and realised that your trilema comments don't seem to have any JS, so it seems like i was wrong. (i now realise i had a (rather arbitrary) additional constraint with the original comment long ago, "make it work with a static site", but that's another matter/project altogether.)
lobbes: right? then, if I was sure that the data coming in is not shit, I could perhaps automate the generating of the blawg pages, adding in comments from said db at whatever intervals
Framedragger: lobbes: any plan re. comments? curious if you have something without JS in mind. :) (this also answers (with quite a latency) mp's query http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608913 - there's no viable solution *without captcha _and_ without JS*.)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/the-californian-dilemma-approaching-peak-lol/ << Qntra - The Californian Dilemma Approaching Peak LOL
Reuel: thats worth nothng then?
Reuel: he gave them for work
Reuel: nah theyre not mine
Reuel: hmm, there was something on the radio a few days ago about the Dutch central bank running blockchain tests
asciilifeform: Reuel: not long ago, dutch gov made tall claims of 'blockchain analysis for police work' voodoo. could investigate, translate, post to qntra re which charlatan is selling this 'service', and which bureaucrat on the take -- 'bought', and wtf it consists of
Reuel: Or the gift that keeps on taking, tax money that is
Reuel: Those are the gift that keeps on giving here
Reuel: whats the link?
Reuel: Well there is a lot of failing going on in Dutch IT, I must say
mircea_popescu: i guess so, but there seems no danger of such a wonder, so.
Reuel: well I get the hard disk part, but not how it relates to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the thing is that by now i wouldn't trust the results anyway. dude clearly has nfi what he'd be doing.
Framedragger: Reuel: just fyi, and it's only my humble opinion, but you don't need the context of the whole trb to do the symlink experiment. from what i took of it, it's a matter of testing how various filesystems (probably starting off with ext4) can manage with (very) large numbers of nodes and large numbers of links to nodes. how seek times increase with those numbers of links to links, etc. (as an fs overhead, on top of hdd/sdd).
Reuel: So I'll dedicate it to the republic
Reuel: vThe reason I keep buzzing around this place is that I get these pangs of inspiration when I visit, which is weird but great
Reuel: There are 1001 questions I would want to ask here, but I'm starting to feel like a net taker which is a wretched feeling
Reuel: however life is getting in the way at the moment, and I don't have time to go through all the TRB code, which is probably a must to understand the context of the experiment
Reuel: mircea_popescu, I would love to do the experiment you talked about -> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-29#1609441
Reuel: I wanted to contribute, and it irks me to admit, but I don't think there is anything meaningful I can contribute at this moment
mircea_popescu: yes, but the fact that both trump and obama grabbed pussy is a detriment to the monkey.
asciilifeform: incidentally there is supposed to have been a mr.t ralley in dc today, but i found 0 mention of it on the net, 0 photos, etc.
asciilifeform: (who signed off on the first two, al-alwaki and his son)
asciilifeform: rather than obummer
asciilifeform: i'll point out that mr.t signed off on the 8yo corpse
asciilifeform: citizen is easier, rather than harder, to hunt, various orgs that do business in usa are coaxed into proactively keeping tabs on'em; this was covered iirc in a few old mircea_popescu pieces re bank
asciilifeform: notice how it takes, what, six figs usd in dubious legal fees, to cancel u.s. citizenship voluntarily. and for no prosecution of anyone, ever, was it cancelled, quite the opposite, usg will happily extend honourary 'citizenship' to ~anyone, for $ 0 , and permanent room in the finest prison with it.
asciilifeform: probably why there appears to be 0 public record of any proceedings to revoke his citizenship
mircea_popescu: theory has no legal legs to stand on.
mircea_popescu: the theory being that "the dude gve it up by pariticpating in something we call a military of something we won't call a state" ?
asciilifeform: now for some peculiar reason there are almost no cases.
mircea_popescu: the daughter of us citizen wasn't us citizen ? how ?
asciilifeform: mno, but afaik the earlier one also not
mircea_popescu: "oh, we were justified". bitch, the fucking towelheads say the exact same thing. you're all justified.
asciilifeform: kick-the-dog.
asciilifeform: 'The 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, the radical cleric and U.S. citizen who was killed in a drone strike in 2011, was reportedly among those killed Sunday during a raid in Yemen. The Guardian reported that Nawar al-Awlaki was killed after suffering a gunshot wound to the neck.' -- feb.2
mircea_popescu: they need a new book.
asciilifeform: 'Under U.S. law, a federal court would have to have found probable cause that the target of the surveillance is an "agent of a foreign power" in order to approve a warrant authorizing electronic surveillance of Trump Tower.' << this is the 'proof' apparently : 'if obummer did it, it Proves Ru Stooge'
mircea_popescu: it's vaguely amusing, just how idiotic the monkeys are.
mircea_popescu: where is my fucking razor for the internet ?