lobbes: my blog grows leaner and meaner by the hour
BingoBoingo: lobbes: First go to your settings, Discussion settings, "other comment settings" and uncheck the box for "Break comments into pages"
lobbes: hanbot's patch removed a query to a table that did not exist in my mysql database, so perhaps this was the cause of the lag; time will tell I guess
lobbes: I noticed that the test comment went through much quicker, so perhaps this also was the potential bug mp encountered
lobbes: In other news, I just applied the suggested html comments bug fix from diana_coman to blog >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/on-relationships-or-how-pretense-kills/comment-page-1/#comment-76
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 23:09:35 BingoBoingo: My impression of the TSA was welfare folks pissed they had to show up somewhere and do some motions to get their dole
asciilifeform: for futile rage of farm animal, convenient victim doll will be given. in 1940 same raging plebes wanted 'gas rothchild'. instead gassed shoemakers who used to fix their shoes, tailor who usedto fix their coat. rothchild unscathed, richer than ever.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 23:13:14 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931614 << oya; the "occupy butt street" idjits I went to school with back in the day got hard-ons at "taxing those rich bastards who dare to create industry"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931623 << the rage aint even misplaced -- 0 of the folx alive presently, king or slave, had ~anyffin to do with 'create industry'. futile rage, is all.
lobbes: but these beasts, as BingoBoingo points, are different items from the TSA monkeys who are mostly the welfare folx
lobbes: amusingly, to this day, however I'll always dress in a suit for air travel. After enough experimenting I discovered that indeed I get better treatment when I do (often am addressed with 'sir' than when in jeanz and t-shirt, get moar attention from the attendants etc). Why? Because the airlines *know* that a huge % of their business comes from... repeat business travelers! Can't kill industry
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 22:40:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931614 << oya; the "occupy butt street" idjits I went to school with back in the day got hard-ons at "taxing those rich bastards who dare to create industry"
BingoBoingo: My impression of the TSA was welfare folks pissed they had to show up somewhere and do some motions to get their dole
asciilifeform: the old reds had a point when wrote 'you cannot disassemble the master's house with the master's tools' or what was it.
asciilifeform: so idjits go, 'tax the rich!111', buffett : 'yes, yes, tax the rich', while he cackles 'all the way to bank'
asciilifeform: unlike expert entomologists like mircea_popescu , trinque , et al, i dun have much contact with the 'illiterate 20yos' set, but enuff to know that they somehow think 'rich' is what their employed older brothers , parents, are, they have no concept of the real thing even in head
asciilifeform: i.e. where 'class war!111' fuckwits in usa cheered at 'raise tax rate' until then find ~themselves~ expected to pay same % as buffett would pay if he were to ever pay at all
asciilifeform: incidentally, i agree w/ mircea_popescu re 'airport strippings have ~popular~ support in usa' but not with his hypothesis re why ( sumthing with 'cuckism' ). instead i suspect it's an idjit stab at 'class warfare' , the ~90% of usa that can't afford to ride in an airplane delights in hearing 'them snooty fucks in suits' getting stripped
asciilifeform: lobbes: different rapes for different folx, i suspect. asciilifeform for instance 'feels raped' much moar greatly by the tax collector, than by the ceremonial funnel where one is to put shoes at bushized airport.
lobbes: I used to fly a lot too, tho, and regardless of the skin color the TSA monkeys were always unpleasant to deal with. I would always feel raped by the time I was done getting through the lines; complete with my pants falling down and holding my shoes while running for my flight.
lobbes: Hell, at one point I even played guitar in the local all-black church. The only thing that made me uncomfortable about that was the fact that I have 0 belief in a god, and that the damn band leader would never give me the song list no matter how much I asked. Always had to improvise.
lobbes: I remember for about 4 years or so I lived in an apartment literally on the "other side of the railroad tracks" (this was back in northern Ohio; I've bounced around the country). It was predominantly darker skinned folk, and I am a super-white ginger. Never had a single issue; everyone was friendly towards me. One time the entire parking lot was "robbed"; all cars broken into but mine was passed over
asciilifeform: they live in entirely parallel universe, the 1 described in mircea_popescu's 'the tide dollar' piece.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dunno how many of these folx at any given time even know who is on the iron throne.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: up through mid-Obama I dealing even with the uniformed sort could be very pleasant.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had even moar picturesque story, where not only not insulted but had excellent rapport w/ entire bus fulla these , and they all asked for him to become their che guevara
asciilifeform: the poor zeks gave much moar impression of being ~tired~ of life, rather than belligerent .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931572 << i suspect exaggerated. even when i went to heart of lafondistan, 'darkest africa', when attempted to buy dilapidated building -- went into where the orcs were, their 'food depot' even, and no one put knife in, no one even spat in asciilifeform's face or even could be aroused to utter insult
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 18:53:47 asciilifeform: diana_coman: to add a few brush strokes to the picture of usa -- and perhaps already you knew -- 1) most folx get ~0 'vacation'. they nominally get '2 wks' but is reserved in practice for illness ; 2) are paid just enuff to stay alive (and locate themselves within vicinity of the mines) , 2-3 missed weeks of pay means destitution .
asciilifeform: the only times had to even haggle, was with orcs in orcistans.
asciilifeform: i've stood in multi-kilometre queues in ameri-airports. but never yet encountered any of the famous abuses.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 17:09:15 BingoBoingo: STL Lambert Intl was all ghetto kangz and queenz pissed whitey would dare take a flight in the morning and justifying the TSA being at the Airport at that hour.
asciilifeform wonders if the folx at http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931579 are moar 'uppity' on acct of distance from the payola trough mecca
asciilifeform goes, always , from where cheapest , to the penny
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news, the absolute worst thing done by same demographic, different destination: https://archive.is/7ovs0 "Eso, después de un paseo por Malvin hoy, en varias plazas ví macumbas con pollos decapitados, frutas por doquier y velas, alguien sabe quién las hace, por qué y si es legal? Dejan todo tirado y a mí me parece sumamente asqueroso"
asciilifeform: i suppose they're all manning lafond's shop
asciilifeform: interesting. one might naively imagine that bmore port would consist of these -- but it didn't.
BingoBoingo: STL Lambert Intl was all ghetto kangz and queenz pissed whitey would dare take a flight in the morning and justifying the TSA being at the Airport at that hour.
asciilifeform: if i knew how to do this in antarctica -- would do it there. would prefer the company of the penguins to ameri-muppets, verily.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i manage to so that to conjure up with what to power asciilifeform's little orchestra, which includes e.g. the expedition and its payload.
asciilifeform: mostly sad white d00dz , in their 20s, there was no slot at patent office for'em, evidently
BingoBoingo: I have trouble understanding how you manage to after having traveled outside the zone.
asciilifeform: fwiw the inspector monkeys in usa , such that i saw in washingtonistan, were harmless, sat and played tetrisen on pnojes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i won't dispute that it's quite unpleasant. but will remind, i sit there year-round
BingoBoingo: Down here, no one hates me for the color of my skin. One of my last memories of the US was the TSA monkeys and the contempt that bled through everything the agent that handled me did.
BingoBoingo: It's not simply existential gasenwagen risk. Its that going to the US involves dealing with all sorts of uniformed monkees on arrival. Every single uniform monkey encountered in the US is an unpleasant experience.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun matter how many day ordeal, cost will still be 2+x of otherwise.
asciilifeform: other potential headache is that they'll happily offer to carry e.g. +100kg aaand it'll end up 'cargo' and get ben_vulpes'd.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to call'em (and specifically that city's, vs the 'national' one)
lobbes: yea, hard to ascertain over the interwebz
asciilifeform: lobbes: there was 'office' in the bmore airport from which i went. but it was the kind where no one to haggle with, 'here is machine, wouldja like to buy new ticket for 3x what you paid month ago?' 'here we measure the trunks' etc
lobbes: hmm, but wtf, now this says there is an office in the Washington Dulles Airport >> https://www.copacargo.com/html/user/default.aspx?PageId=5&lang=en
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun recall the orcs asking me where i lived. you give'em the usa passport and is all.
BingoBoingo: Well, second headache is that coming into UY they tend to care more about payloads moved by UY living folks
asciilifeform: (the 1 headache is that BingoBoingo's station would end up unmanned for the interval.)
asciilifeform: supposing there aint orc-generated bureaucratic problem in re BingoBoingo going into usa for day or 2, may be workable.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo would not have to get hotel, either, could sleep in hammock in asciilifeform's 'nazi sub'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 15:22:15 asciilifeform: there's also ' asciilifeform's vacation days ' non-renewable resource involved .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 15:16:40 mircea_popescu: possibly dealing with typically ustardian faux thing, where the corner grocery store misrepresents itself as "bank". except "oh, we can't do wires"
asciilifeform: the folx i told in meatspace about this, no one believed. 'yer fucking with me'
asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's quarter tonne -- per last yr's specs , they were formally willing to move up to 150kg -- from anywhere other than usa.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931500 << incidentally i priced 'fexed', their cost is actually comparable to ' asciilifeform-ex ' . problem is that all fedex'd crates end up getting the full orc treatment.
asciilifeform: ( the hero to move boxen instead of asciilifeform , has not yet stood up. )
asciilifeform: there's also ' asciilifeform's vacation days ' non-renewable resource involved .
mircea_popescu: business is all about identifying these things, writing the correct numbers down, and then comparing sums.
asciilifeform: btw if e.g. rk plant gets eaten, lose considerably moar than ~1k, there's a great bit of hand-craft involved in making these.
asciilifeform: btw it dun matter of what the box is made, or that it resembles suitcase (other than possibly for orc customs). the dimensions thing is applied by monkey on the usa end.
asciilifeform: i'ma defo ask, and play the 'phone tag', like last time. but expect similar result.
BingoBoingo: Important part of cardboard box exercise is likely to mean finding airport with COPA desk asciilifeform checks in at rather than United or whoever doing a codeshare on the to panama link
mircea_popescu: in that case, ask them/.
asciilifeform: otherwise risk ending up sucking own elbow
mircea_popescu: possibly dealing with typically ustardian faux thing, where the corner grocery store misrepresents itself as "bank". except "oh, we can't do wires"
asciilifeform: when i bought ticket, the annoying fucks wouldn't even take prepay of the surcharge when selling ticket, proclaimed 'you pay it at airport'
mircea_popescu: otherwise, would have fedex'd.
mircea_popescu: if they carry, the dude with ruler is welcome to stuff it, you bought ticket from your airline not from him/
mircea_popescu: i have had them carry in excess of a quarter ton for me. ASIDE from luggage.
mircea_popescu: ask coppa if they will carry.
mircea_popescu: there where ?
asciilifeform: several folx got sent away with 'nope' in the queue.
asciilifeform: if it were just a q of 'hey i'ma bring a 3rd and see if they eat it' would happily bring 3rd. but there was in fact a d00d with a scale there, and calculator, adding up box0...boxN and if >100kg then 'nope'
mircea_popescu: at least compared to what idiocy passes for business as usual over there.
mircea_popescu: risking a few k to not have to waste another 6 months dithering about how "oh, i guess we should talk to people o hurr durr we have not what to sell" is a genius move,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ben ended up with customs pawing ~all~ of his boxes on acct of the excess.
mircea_popescu: IF indeed the box is carried, and IF indeed customs want money, you can just abandon it, fo ra fixed cost of whatever you put in it.
mircea_popescu: specifically, have you asked copa if they will carry a box for you. this is not an euphemism for a piece of luggage, it is a straight name for a cardboard fucking box. it is also not related to bv's misadventure with sleeping and routing and w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, fwiw the story you're telling does not convince me.
BingoBoingo: The problems at Customes rose out of impromptu third bag getting left in Brasil, arriving to Uruguay on a different plane than Herr Vulpes
mircea_popescu: well, imo getting a lot of gear there asap would be very much beneficial for everyone.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: indeed it was. there was a grunt with a scale, weighed and tape-measured each trunk.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The failure in that run was at the US check in counter. There's a max weight on any piece designated "luggage" rather than "cargo", hard limit enforced by baggage handler's work rules
asciilifeform: BingoBoingostani customs is a circus one could almost write book about. they for instance didn't give a rat's arse re the 1us. but demanded to know why 6x 'high tech!111 omfg'-looking rk's in the carry-on. ( rk pilot plant was assembled on-site, in hotel... )
asciilifeform: ( i.e. ~with~ the surcharge , is what one gets from this vendor )
asciilifeform: well i was 5kg short of the max load, so 3rd box would've had to be <5, even supposing they'd take another 300 and eat it
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i did. ( in fact was uncertain until last moment that the actual 2 crates would fly, the co's www is retarded)
asciilifeform: last time i rtfm'd , 'copa' (the 1 usable co.) permitted over-mass XOR over-dimension .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a calculable function. 4 'heavy' (32cpu opterons) added up to just 5kg short of the max permitted 'overweight'. anything lighter (e.g. rk plant) poses no pain from mass pov. but the suitcases i (specifically) bought for expeditions, are in fact of max permitted phys. dimensions. (w/ 2 u in ea. + paddings and fixators.)
mircea_popescu: might be worth it to put a coupla us in a box, test whether can be taken through ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ones for mircea_popescu , are looking to cost 1-1.5 k ($) ea. (still hunting for the exact machines we use, the old seller seems to have vanished) . rk plant will cost ~1k , not counting drives (and switch, which, grrr, not found yet!) for a plant of 16 subunits. the remaining 1u is to be apu1 (4x) , not drawn yet so i daren't say exactly what costs, expect also in vicinity of 1k (sans disk).
mircea_popescu: the ones you;re taking
asciilifeform: material ? depends what's in the 1u in question, neh
mircea_popescu: how much is the material cost per u ?
asciilifeform: ^ 560.5 $ per 1u . keep in mind that asciilifeform for 'belt and suspenders' made a lengthier than strictly necessary expedition . ( in fact used all but 1 of the padding days, walking with BingoBoingo to hunt for missing small parts, tuning boxen , etc )
asciilifeform: 4u is the most that can be reliably carried as 'konsoomer luggage' .
asciilifeform: 1u chassis actually fits 16 rk with comfortable air flow. and their ps. but no GB switch seems to exist, of requisite size, that'd fit inside, even if stripped of own chassis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of 'starting to bump against an objective limit', it's starting to look like ethernet switch bulk is the limiting reactant for 'how many rk/similar can pack into box'
mircea_popescu: "i thought he was a great guy, right, so then i moved in with him, and OMFG HE IS INSUFFERABLE
mircea_popescu: add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here
mircea_popescu: i don't think i have the stomach for more ; which is why the publish-with-drescriptions-instead-of-links model, it's the choice of this or not fucking publish at all.
mircea_popescu: i spent 60% of the time with that article hunting for references.
asciilifeform: sometimes i get notion that the hunted item is in mircea_popescu's www, but difficult to test given no search box .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if there's one of those <A href=[word description] broken links, the most useful thing is the link, if known
mircea_popescu prays at the shrine of lost references
asciilifeform: there's coupla moar of these, but i'ma leave off, evidently mircea_popescu still fillin'em in
mircea_popescu: also because missing the link.
asciilifeform: dun seem to display the keyword on any of my browser tho
mircea_popescu: deliberate. cuz it's the keyword, repeats throughot article
mircea_popescu: yes, missing the actual link ;/
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catfish-the-real-danger-of-social-media-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Catfish: The Real Danger Of Social Media. Adnotated.
asciilifeform: for thrd-completeness, also painfully missing are back/fwd linkages a la phf, but these need working date/era handling before i even dare to touch the q
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 14:28:11 shrysr_: thanks asciilifeform and BingoBoingo. also since 'pki' throws up stuff like 'napkin' - is there a way to narrow this down in the search?
asciilifeform will use same scheme as in phuctor for the latter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quoted strings? indeed still gotta bake'em ( see in readme.txt, they're on the listof missing essentials , and errybody grumbles, i'ma do these next )
mircea_popescu: i specificalty recall describing this situation in munchen whereby i took cab driver all over bars, trying to find some with decent seating, didn't find any, at end dude was like "well, there's no more left on the list, you have to sit here" and i was like "bitch, i dun have to anything"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, more importantly, how do i searc for the string "don't have" ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 04:13:06 phf: fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !
asciilifeform: my contention 'clock is luxury' is based on thought similar to mircea_popescu's, i.e. it dun make sense to bother unless yer doing shortwave or similar application where the intervals gotta be utterly fixed or no go entirely
asciilifeform: oh hm apparently i was wrong re the cheaper rb -- chinese sell ~pocket-sized unit . but still headache, would have to interface it somehow.
asciilifeform: ( ftr -- clocks look exactly like servers, just with bnc jack and mains , no other plugs )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931361 << imho clock is a luxury and in foreseeable future i'ma only load essentials into the crates. but the good noose is, rubidium has halflife of ~5e10 yrs and aint setting off any alarms. while cesium clock uses the stable 133 . problem is rather that the buggers are heavy and can't be had , seems, in anyffin smaller than 2U .
asciilifeform: hence wai i posed the q. maybe trinque or lobbes , serious wwwists, can crack this one.
asciilifeform: it'd have to by the ugly-as-arse /log/chan/index#index or sumsuch
mircea_popescu: this becomes quite inconvenient then, end up with duplicate field or wtf.
asciilifeform tried various browsers, all behave to spec, i.e. none send url-cum-anchor as part of get or post ( ff and chrome do put it in referrer, but it's quite useless for this job, i need a scheme where url entered by hand or otherwise no ref hdr , is valid )
asciilifeform: interesting. spec seems to say they ought not, so i suspect not erry browser sends
mircea_popescu: 179.43.*.* - - [27/Aug/2019:08:22:26 -0400] "POST /wp-comments-post.php HTTP/1.0" 500 963 "http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/#comment-116893" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/67.0.3396.62 Safari/537.36"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 07:09:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible ; but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931356 << the main headache is that the segment of a url past the anchor (#) is never sent to server .
mircea_popescu: blockheight is the republican timekeeping item, and in the case of logs that's self-evidently line counts.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 23:07:47 asciilifeform: the obv. alternative is to actually do a db lookup when printing links, to get the appropriate local date. BUT this means a db lookup per link displayed, i.e. slowdown.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931343 << this is terrible ; but i don't see anything wrong with parsing url by id first, such that log/date#index goes to #index on whatever date it might be, and to /date otherwise.
phf: fixing an old style link is then cheap e.g. for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 i parse out 758070, (entryref 758070), then render the url (which is standard url rendering function) which uses whatever date that's stored in the message record, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 in this particular case they happen to be the same, but the point is that this is not a regex transform. essentially i do a
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-27#1931379 << btcbase is a continuation of kako's log, so there's no timestamp divergence. one log stops at dragon, and the other one starts. never the less i don't rely on dates at all: the entirety of log is stored in an array, so kako entry 123 is (aref *log* 123), likewise current log entry 1931379 is at that particular index in array.
asciilifeform: ( coupla hundy $ , if 2ndhand, but they're hefty )
asciilifeform: ( the option 'hey just sync clock' dun do anyffin useful. for one thing, kako's clock was yet different. for another, both kako's and phf's drifted , just like mine... )
asciilifeform: the obv. alternative is to actually do a db lookup when printing links, to get the appropriate local date. BUT this means a db lookup per link displayed, i.e. slowdown.
asciilifeform: easiest pill is prolly to '301' e.g. a ...../log/chan/idx/31337 into correct /log/chan/date#31337 , and transform the payloads of all displayed links into the former. BUT this would break with historical convention. so i'ma ask mircea_popescu how he wants this sewn.
asciilifeform: atm i also suspect that a certain % of links imported from 'era 2' (phf's april 2016 -- aug. 2019) also do not go where expected, on acct of clock difference b/w the boxen.
asciilifeform: uniturd decoder, note, is the one in lobbes's latest patch.
asciilifeform: meanwhile : phf's vintage log imports on testbed. however : certain uniturds decode strangely ( e.g. ru-style double-quote turns into accented A ) ; and link-dekakoizer will need db lookup to determine snsabot-correct date for given index # (else the links do not go where expected) .
lobbes: in my trilema-lotto today; the (potential) $2 million couch loan. I worked with someone years ago who "lended" for the BTCjam thing... tried dissuade him and instead get him registered with a gpg key an' into the WOT but he just was too thick. Wonder if he's in a cardboard box these days
snsabot: Logged on 2017-01-27 17:54:54 asciilifeform: al schwartz wrote about the roofs, iirc it was. semiconductor firms replaced cathedral roofs all over europe, for 0 cost. just to get the valuable pre-hiroshima metal.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's crackpottery notebooks : pre-hiroshima pb would make a notbad coin metal. at least from authenticability pov.
asciilifeform: very difficult to picture anyone bothering to fake a ~modern~ coin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a persistent rumour in the '90s that kr got hold of an original press . nfi whether substance to this.
mircea_popescu: i was talking more re the whole best korea "false benjie'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc coins are moar in favour nao among fakers than at any point since prior to newton. ( coin has neither serial # , nor any elaborate boobytraps that modern tech can't make short work of )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> somehow azn tards never think of THAT. << They do, but they do... the COINS! "Morgan Dollar", etc
asciilifeform: ( also helped that : the orig plates were appropriated by quick-thinking orcentrepreneurs )
asciilifeform: ( why ? cuz was still accepted, albeit by bagfull, by street orc merchants in some of the sadder -- e.g. kazah -- ex-colonies )
asciilifeform: (and iirc ditto the 1917 ruble !)
asciilifeform: 'Last printed in 1945, the government stopped distribution of this denomination by 1969' etc
asciilifeform: some numismatists still proclaim that e.g. 1000 $ was never demonetized, only outta print. the usg's mint www is silent on the subj tho.
BingoBoingo: There's this Canadian backpack case in North Inca lore http://qntra.net/2015/06/3-years-prison-for-backpack-full-of-cash-in-winnipeg/
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 2 dollar bill still in print. They just print it in qualtities and frequences simular to local 10 peso coins
asciilifeform: most recent usa bill to be cancelled, iirc , was the 2 $ . some illiterate shop clerks will in fact refuse it, tho it still, last i knew, is accepted by banks .
mircea_popescu: i dunno that they count as "circulating money".
asciilifeform: iirc they still theoretically count as money. (who and why would try to spend it for the printed value, is separate q)
mircea_popescu: wth is the story of that guy who kept moving $9999 from mexico eventually they stopped him ?
mircea_popescu: as these are collectors' items, they obviously do not count as money for, eg, [][crossing borders].
asciilifeform: iirc it was fdr who abolished the 4digit moneys; at which pt they became museum pieces
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: numismatics is (was??) astonishingly popular in usa. ( for some reason, the most prized rarities are -- last i knew -- mis-struct ~pennies~ of early 20th c.. )
mircea_popescu: the 1928C and D series 5-dolalr bills again 1-200 up to 1500-2k+ (and the 1929 brown seal can be good too, esp the finer grades 1k++) ; the 1928 E series one-dollars can be 2-300 / 1k to 15k for very fine bills.
mircea_popescu: the 1934B and C series (green seal) go for 3-4k each, and 5k+ in CU ; the 1928 gold 50s go for 1-200 and 250+ ; the 1928 C (green seal) 20 is goot for 1-200 / 1k+ ; the 1934 yelow seal 10 dollar bill can be 1-2k / 10k+ each (as it's very rare)
mircea_popescu: the 1928 gold seal issuance easily fetches 5k and even upwards of 10k CU and above grades, per bill. (pretty much everything from 1928 is good money, as a general rule)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : there's a quite active market in ~old~ benjie bills. all 1k notes go for 1-2k in normal, pocket money like grades (banknotes are graded, things with >3 folds and maybe a missing corner or such (but no tears) are VF (very fine) to EF (extremely), CU have all the corners, no folds. the grading goes up to gem, which are particularly/exceptionally good strikes, vivid and well centered.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the amazon thing : that's precisely how the twenny dollar bill guy (jackson) got florida from spain : "oh, you're not maintaining it properly"
mircea_popescu: turkey actually kicks ass, they built a new uberairport that everyone is all lovey over, and their road infrastructure defo > yurp.
BingoBoingo: So much noise in the local presses on both sides of the river over "Why doesn't Turkey get a crisis too! So unfair!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 16:00:56 mircea_popescu: speaking of this, remember back when "bric countries" was a thing, and ustards seriously believed they're something special ?
lobbes: takes me an ungodly amt of time to login to the wp-admin as well. Will need to investigate
BingoBoingo: Per the deal Mercosur recognizes 357 of the 3400 "European Geographical Indications", EU recognizes some Mercosur ones, and because of european heritage in the Americas all sorts of EU geographical indications won't be used against products of Mercosur origin if there's a tradition involved.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA. The EU-Mercosur deal means the European "protected designations of origin" would not apply to Mercosur products sold in the US. So the Argentines, could market "Parmasean Reggiano Industria Argentina" as "Parmasean"
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the reasons the EU-Mercosur thing as groundbreaking as it would be hasn't made Qntra to now are the myriad of factors lined up against it. Namely the "traditional Argentine cheeses" could be sold in Europe under their protected in Europe names trap, etc.
mircea_popescu: re pedro , variety for a reason!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not all together improbably the Iriquous forgot the French were their reinforcements by the time they came.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As far as I can tell the Miami 5th column is ~the same as Argentina's, but beat more frequently
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, every warship wreck found adrift in space after the "empire" spawning it was long fucked out of the bloodline is still calling for imaginary rreinforcements at specific positions misexpressed in irrelevant systems of coordinates.
BingoBoingo: Then again if Pedro II was fertile enough to have sufficient children to select 1 not completely retarded heir, Brasil could have been bigger than the US ever was. 1000 year reich and so on.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have difficulty picturing a 'vietnam rerun' , tho the current crop of muppets is certainly dumb enuff. moar likely the linked item is intended as activation ping for whatever 'miami' 5th column can be mustered in br.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It could probably benefit. The defense of Fortaleza has the potential to be a sort of Brazilian Stalingrad.
BingoBoingo: Except when it comes to agricultural products. That is every bit the chemical warfare seen in the US adapted to tropical demands.
BingoBoingo: Items labeled at the same thing in the local stores from Brasil and Argentina could not be further apart in the quality and their ability to be what the label calls them.
mircea_popescu: but yes, brasil is exactly what argentina could/should have been, if they weren't utterly braindamaged lazyfucks,
mircea_popescu: whereas brazil is one of the top three producers of gross tonnage, in the military-strategic sense, after china and india and ahead of russkis.
mircea_popescu: because of strategic ineptitude, brazil could actually take over the atlantic fleed from the us within a few years.
BingoBoingo: That momentarily Brazil isn't actively growling at the US is largely due to the personal affinity that exists between Trump and Bolsonaro for however long it lasts.
asciilifeform: promises to be even moar 'sporty' than 'nam -- brazil is home to some of the lulziest 'living boobytraps', e.g. lonomia
mircea_popescu: speaking of this, remember back when "bric countries" was a thing, and ustards seriously believed they're something special ?
BingoBoingo: lol, yeah. This terrain is still mostly "lets detour outside our borders to transit the Paraguay river" sorta stuff no much more accessible than it was in the 1860s
mircea_popescu would not go without dozen+ men, and none of the "men's club barber shop" cock ornaments qualify
mircea_popescu: as the expression goes, "you'd be eaten by baby turtles in half hour"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 15:07:52 asciilifeform: 'But the case for territorial incursion in the Amazon is far stronger than the justifications for most war. In the meantime, the planet chokes on old notions of sovereignty.' << lol! couldn't make this up.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931224 << it should br real fun to see the retarded fuckwits in actual jungle.
BingoBoingo: Brasil also has shipyards, an aerospace industry that stamps out helicopters, drones, and satellites... they have the sorts of industry Argentina should and could have had if Argentines weren't so incredibly determined to all dole about the port.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931158 << in a way it is, hence all the calls recently for it.
BingoBoingo: Taurus's LATAM catalog is more utility oriented than their US "sell all comes exactly what they imagine they want" catalog
asciilifeform: brasil doesn't compete in the nato golden cannon market tho
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nordic products ?! what, exactly , other than petro from naggumistan ?
BingoBoingo: There's probably some Teuton and Nordic anxiety over the prospect that sophisticated products of Brasil displace their sophisticated products.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, one of my suspicions is that much of the EU wants to minimize the amount of time Brazil spends in periods of less retared government.
asciilifeform: 'But the case for territorial incursion in the Amazon is far stronger than the justifications for most war. In the meantime, the planet chokes on old notions of sovereignty.' << lol! couldn't make this up.
asciilifeform will look in bot, possibly there also
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform ever figures out how to get a 6+digit usd there, will move in right next to phf .
phf: you ought to consider moving here, or at least coming for a visit. the place is a lot livelier than dc, food is better, girls are prettier, things are generally cheaper, etc. etc. etc.
asciilifeform: phf: where are you these days ? in ru still ?
phf: but the crack got infected, just because it's that kind of area, and by the time i got it dealt with i was in a pre-sepsis state. it took less than a week from a fall to 39.9 120 bpm infection
phf: hurt like a motherfucker, so i had no idea for a while if i broke my tailbone, tore something, or what
phf: this was actually quite similar, i went off trail in swiss alps, because the path was damaged and i didn't want to backtrack, it was maybe 200m to a parallel route, but the way was pretty much vertical
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, it was what passed for 'premium' chair. served for just short of decade. then -- pop.
asciilifeform looked, and there was 'stake'.
asciilifeform: hey asciilifeform one time sat down into 1 of those chinese comp. chairs where there's no iron plate against the piston. but miraculously bounced off.
phf: mp kept making the same jokes about "fallen off ass", i thought it would've been obvious by now
phf: the approach is from the "illuminated manuscripts" era of tmsr, so i kept all the files as is, but i think i can produce a kako style dump reasonably fast
asciilifeform: the 2012-13 archive loox like it'll need reprocessing, also, seems to be in a very raw (xchat?) format .
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma swallow yours and invite anyone who thinks he has gap fillers to compare , then.
phf: yeah, i only added them recently
asciilifeform: it showed 2016-04.txt as the earliest.
asciilifeform: phf: oh hm loox like you actually have 2013 -- present in there ? oddly enuff when i thought you were dead and wget -m ... 'd the site, only saw 2016--present in /raw
phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log-raw/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt is the file that mp gave me
asciilifeform: re unusual dc structures -- year or 2 ago, microshit apparently stole, from the l0gz, the notion of submerging dc in ocean. ( at least for purpose of pr, nfi whether in fact sold any rack slots in these. but there was a photoreportage w/ much fanfare . )
asciilifeform: ( naturally, the chiller plant, as well as quite obviously the outgoing pipe, gotta come out... )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re older logs -- we'll sync these when mircea_popescu comes home to where he had the archive he had fed to phf in '16 . (or perhaps earlier, if phf comes back from grave..)
diana_coman: I just didn't expect it/plan it,lol; but precisely: why not; at least so far they have been very responsive, let's see how it works out.