sina: trinque: to extend your analogy. you are on a field, in a crater. you are ~impervious to horizontal machine gun attack thanks to the crater, but vulnerable to mortar attack
asciilifeform: the other practicality is that certain hypothetical uses of rsa -- such as specifically gossipd -- magnify this leak to the point where you are broadcasting the key at a few kHz
asciilifeform: whether anybody happens to be listening is separate consideration.
asciilifeform: sina: the practicalities are - that every time you unholster your gpg key, you broadcast a few bits of it.
trinque: just that you're there, so might get hit.
trinque: that you are on a field being mortared does not mean you've discounted the enemy
asciilifeform: sina: our 18th ancestors' perspectives on hygiene are not advice to the modern thinking man.
sina: e.g. asciilifeform uses gpg, even though he knows some adversary might read his key via timing attack, because the list of adversary which can do so, he has discounted
sina: for the purpose of proper understanding
sina: which is fine, and I guess my point, because you must understand there is some adversary which can read your keys and some which cannot and you as of current, accept the risk
asciilifeform: the 1 constanttime implementation -- is mine
asciilifeform: sina: currently there is exactly 1 rsatron that anybody worth mentioning uses, gpg. which is a sad joke in 9,001 ways, and slated for replacement
sina: my understandinf of your POV is that there is currently no adequate constanttime impl
asciilifeform: sina: sharp tool for sewing in leather
asciilifeform: sina: there is a ru proverb, pertinent, also : 'you cannot conceal an awl inside a sack'
trinque: .. just gotta get the thing to leak your sleep timing too
asciilifeform: the 'release modular exponentiation result after time T' is an armoured propeller.
asciilifeform: so the coaxial -- with propeller -- was chosen
asciilifeform: can have a second man, but in the cardboard planes this was an expensive mass proposition.
sina: however I would note that at the end of that thread it was still unclear to me how the final model I proposed was unsafe in any case
asciilifeform: in ww1, at first flyers had to be content with dropping caltrops, frags, firing revolvers, from the cockpit
sina: asciilifeform: if you would consider this question as a continuation of that thread rather than repeat, I'd appreciate
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:47 sina: any actual practical example of making it spill out of the time box? lets say two independent processes, one is preparing the payloads and putting them in an "outbox"
asciilifeform: the 'write an email on my box, encrypt it with RSA, then send it...what timing info can be derived' contention is merely a special case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674800
mircea_popescu: cache hits to reference the recent rowhammer lulz, you name it.
mircea_popescu: sina doesn't have to be "emr". it can be the resonant behaviour of your power lines or the acoustic polution in the room or ping delays or anything else.
mircea_popescu: it is perfectly conceivable that by following eg your delay in response to pings on a network-routable box while a decryption is in progress, at least part of the key material can be derived.
sina: giving them away to whom? certainly not to a passive network adversary...right?
mircea_popescu: because the processor clicks slightly as it works ; and if you fork on secret bits you are thereby giving the secret bits away.
sina: I lose the key because an adversary is nearby watching all my EMR?
mircea_popescu: sina example situation, you decrypt your message in a room with an ipad, lose the key.
sina: but if I write an email on my box, encrypt it with RSA, then send it...what timing info can be derived?
sina: I mean, I get that there are timing attacks you could perform if there was a synchronous stream of traffic happening
mircea_popescu: sina you mean, is there a side channel for constant time ops ? or for rsa as commonly implemented atm ?
sina: asciilifeform: basically I am wondering about the "threat model" of constanttime sidechannel stuffs. for example, let's say I want to write you an email with RSA encrypted body, or receive same from you, is there really a sidechannel there? I guess I'm asking in terms of async vs sync encrypted comms
sina: asciilifeform: if you are about I have a question for the resident expert on constanttime stuff
mircea_popescu: funny that antiseptic masculinity should be deemed toxic by the very bugs it is there to exterminate.
mircea_popescu: a ok then
ben_vulpes: in other toxic masculinity news, one of the guys i share the office with brought a set of olympic weights in
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, best handle for masochistic subbie on bdsm site ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:41 mircea_popescu: for instance : alf gets so livid when certain classes of events occur because they contradict assumptions he's made upon which he built the particular head-fitter he uses. they'd better hold, or else the whole thing is in danger. specifically : a lot less could be fit in head.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686295 << mircea_popescu would enjoy surprises no moar than asciilifeform does if he did not have a thick layer of otherpeople to insulate own skin from them
mircea_popescu: they're really just tradition-wank
whaack: aha yes the blockcipher schemes always seem to be security-by-obfuscation
asciilifeform: ( specifically it is secure ~against your analysis~, but not the nsa designer's )
asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely thinking of the bulk of the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other than the religion where 'it is confusing to ME, author, and therefore Must Be Hard To Break'
mircea_popescu: the discussion as to height of towers and men in prison is apropos.
mircea_popescu: for instance : alf gets so livid when certain classes of events occur because they contradict assumptions he's made upon which he built the particular head-fitter he uses. they'd better hold, or else the whole thing is in danger. specifically : a lot less could be fit in head.
trinque: loving mother nature says get a bigger head, or die
whaack: i'm not advocating one doesn't make an effort to learn, I'm just pointing out that the material covered does not "fit in head" (as alf puts it) very easily and thus the main thing gotten from that book, for me at least, is the deep complexity involved with some of these schemes
mircea_popescu: anyway, to revisit whaack 's earlier lament : never trust the man who says "don't worry your pretty head, sweet" unless you're quite meaning to be whored out ; because meaning or not, it's gonna happen.
mircea_popescu: well, whole point would be if the ugly fat kid would get the whole world to love him. but, fail that, picking and choosing which other's private keys can do what when will have to do as a substitute.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:16 shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCRY6xXUAAjbco.jpg "Invalidating idle private keys to force them to upgrade"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686192 << that there's the endgame of all usgcoinisms, neh.
asciilifeform: what's the point of learning aerodynamics for plebians, the concepts are too hard to follow, there are so many traps in flying, and the argument to believe that it is possible to safely travel in an airplane requires understanding so many lemmas. it is easy to get into a spin, how can one not believe they are not headed screaming into the ground along the way....
whaack: so it's just for the pleasure of learning?
mircea_popescu: the point of learning is learning, not immediate productivity.
whaack: what's the point of learning crypto for plebians, the concepts are too hard to follow. there are so many traps in number theory, and the argument to believe that using a scheme like RSA is secure requires understanding so many lemmas. It's so easy to make a false proof, how can one not believe they're not being duped (intentionally or unintentionally) along the way to enlightenment. The one time pad is really the only thing I trust to t
mircea_popescu: "costs nothing" and "love her". after a fashion, both of these.
mircea_popescu: this is how they get pregnant, normally, but the usg has managed to turn that innate female idiocy into actual demographic aggregator for it.
asciilifeform: maybe another spin at 'mrs degree' ?
mircea_popescu: somehow this is !== "degree sucks" in her head, wants to go back for another spin.
mircea_popescu: no. girl from here, goes there, gets "degree", HAS TO COME BACK
asciilifeform: i thought thread was re 'they want back to usa'
asciilifeform: they have parents neh
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:41 mircea_popescu: they "have rights" which is to say, debt peonage is never going to be the south east asian brothel bed, or the debtor's prison, or marylebone workhouse.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686227 << in usa it is 'soft' peonage -- all it does is, if somebody pays you in electro-usgolade, they take ~80%; if you inherit property , they take whole thing
floog: # of hours in the day
asciilifeform: i started with ancient copy of schneier, later found the vanstone and realized that it is a superset
asciilifeform: they're encyclopaedias, read whichever sections pleases you
mircea_popescu: read both, what's the trouble.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the mega-b00k from which schneier et al plagiarize ~everything, is : 'handbook of applied crypgography', crc press
asciilifeform: (2010). and it is ENTIRELY different book, largely fluff, 0 mathematics, thin
asciilifeform: but there also exists a 3 :
asciilifeform: there is some confusion re subj, and i fear that i created it :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's ordered the early cycle schneier book, what.
mircea_popescu: rather than put up with their manifest insufficiency and social inferiority at home, they find it preferable to go be "equal" to "everyone" in dumblandia.
mircea_popescu: they "have rights" which is to say, debt peonage is never going to be the south east asian brothel bed, or the debtor's prison, or marylebone workhouse.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:11 user705: is there a way to do a trb node not on Linux?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686184 << there were experiments with openbsd, but iirc it is not a currently supported os. so answer is linux unless you're willing to port.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686176 << why would they want to go back?! eager to get back into debt peonage??
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 20:00 floog: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685787 <<< blue book is going to take 3 weeks to ship. any tips of what to read up on/learn in the meantime?
mircea_popescu: by the time they';re going to jail everyone is anyway, so, they are correctly judging -- better hang for the sheep along with the calf, we're all dead men anyway.
mircea_popescu: and why not. if it works it works so they get a little more juice, and if it doesn't work... not like anyone's going to jail.
shinohai: The same lie Bruce Fenton tried to sell when attempting to resurrect it
mircea_popescu: this is how teh usg does things, and always has. it takes a special sort of idiot to actually buy into their web of nonsense
mircea_popescu: all the usg experts, from gavin down, were from the get-go paid in fiat to see what they can do to further fiat interest in the republic ; no more.
mircea_popescu: stop talking about it ? won't happen. stop being meaningfully involved ? they never were. which of 0, infinity was your notion ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the official slack hangout, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6ddc1031c2446d6b41f3a22987808a4c/tumblr_ofd3wt0Rfy1u9uov7o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: user705 inasmuch as it's not an idea, yeah. they all have the same ideas, being the same item.
trinque: must be wisdom of the crowd or something
trinque: user705: weird how different people all seem to push in the same direction eh?
mircea_popescu: hey, ustards perceive "they got names", and gotta burn 'em to cash in. it's the way of progress!
shinohai: Seems zooko also started a new scam coin ... Imma hafta come out of retirement for these lulz
shinohai: How long befire the BTC phork crowd says "WE SHOULD TOTALLY DO THIS!!!!!"
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCRY6xXUAAjbco.jpg "Invalidating idle private keys to force them to upgrade"
shinohai: Sure, the foundation has trb.exe available on website
lobbes: Then I started reading the "trolls", then finally was lead here (I think it was pankkake that tipped me off). Then, it hit me like a "shit-ton of bricks (tm)": I'm retarded! The herd is retarded! I better stop, listen, learn from these evidently superior beings before I'm toast.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686119 << This was exactly my case. I have same appreciation towards folx here as ag3nt_zer0. I bought first btc at $20 for purposes of silk road back in early 2014. Price quickly shot up. Found tardstalk 'securities'. I thought "Wow, pretty graphs and charts. Lemme try and catch the next boat11!"
mircea_popescu: can you compile c on the not linux ?
user705: is there a way to do a trb node not on Linux?
mircea_popescu: trinque that perverse state is called borderline personality disorder ; aka wrist sleeves. they generally end up playing enabler to all sorta nutty males.
mircea_popescu: the log is full of stuff to do.
mircea_popescu: or stand up a log bot, or whatever. run a trb node. run the ada implementation passed around recently of a big number calculator and produce 655356! to compare with the given values.
mircea_popescu: floog you saw the topic ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 23:44 mircea_popescu: you know, if it seems a good next step then it likely is.
floog: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685787 <<< blue book is going to take 3 weeks to ship. any tips of what to read up on/learn in the meantime?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe it's beause they very literallty and genuinely think the us crap is good.
trinque: now there's a perverse state in which to be trapped; relying on the other's insanity to preserve the delusion of one's own sanity.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of naught in particular, isn't it shocking there's no pornstar named "natasha kinksky" ?
trinque: possibly not. perhaps the monkeybrain prefers insane authority to none.
asciilifeform: though i'd imagine their population would be thinning by nao
asciilifeform: folx who grew up on 'vhs tape usa' then
trinque: asciilifeform: no, lol, it was not american expats at the San Jose mcdonalds.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 17:06 asciilifeform: not long ago i saw a photo of some american mega-rich d00d, forget who, and nobody cares, his refrigerator, was full of synthetic 'budveiser' beer
asciilifeform: sad to say, i bet the spam ~moves~
asciilifeform: is it because of escapees from usa among the buyers ?
mircea_popescu: o yeah, for some reason they think us stuff is great. my elite grocer, that stocks everything including fine french wines ? they think HORMEL is the best brand of cured meats.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:38 mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform... I just mean there is a lot of noise and this place seems to be the clear signal... and I say "seems" simply because I don't understand it as well as I would need to dispose of that qualifier
mircea_popescu: see, cuz if they looked like "u of maryland goes on horseback", half the schmucks seated backwards or whatnot, then it'd make sense. but how did these people manage to acquire riding skills with the constant tapdistraction ?
mircea_popescu: but the truly mindboggling thing, to me, was that they were all fine riders. somehow. i do not know how. feet correctly in the saddle, not one, all, the men, children, women, etc. proper grips on at least half the reins. and so on.
mircea_popescu: and in general you know, "i'm not interested in LOOKING at the horses, but where could i snap a selfie from ?"
mircea_popescu: this with the horse underneath! which you know, needs your attention.
mircea_popescu: yep, you guessed it, at least a quarter of the riders were taping away at any point.
mircea_popescu: trinque hey, you have no idea. so sunday was large celebration, including parade with literal 1k horses. the people ON the horses ?
trinque: well not mircea_popescu, but asciilifeform passes them
trinque: every idiot you pass on teh street glued to the glass rectangle is doing this. "omg, I exist, look there are notifications on the rectangle for 'me'"
mircea_popescu: i do not think so. these schmucks never had any money, they're the poor generation. their parents, yes, but these are the djb street urchins not the djbs.
mircea_popescu: "maybe mp paid everyuone around me to tell me they'd be all impressed if i married the hairbrush???"
mircea_popescu: not simply because it empowers rapist-racist-pre-trump-trump-me, annoying as that may be ; but because it puts in question the integrity of their valuation mechanism.
mircea_popescu: which is why when i showed something awful the "here, you can pay people to do things to themselves" it BURNEDDDDDDD
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform elstards are educated from birth to value things only by reference to the herd. it is not important for them to have a great fucktoy at home ; but it is very important for them to take home the girl all the other dorks imagine would be a great accomplishment to take home.
asciilifeform: from where comes the 'who knows what I would be doing with my coins right now' ?
asciilifeform: why is it that the early bitcoin folx had this 'burning hole in pocket' problem
ag3nt_zer0: all I can say is thank god I found this sanctuary of the guardians heh... otherwise who knows what I would be doing with my coins right now...
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: don't be surprised, if waiting for aug1 or whatever 'wediditreddit event' to get your coin out of a gox, if they only offer to give it back in shitcoin ( or not at all )
ag3nt_zer0: ok thank you all kindly for the responses
shinohai: (Especially now there is importprivkey function)
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 if it doesn't take a ssd, prolly not useful for bitcoin node. otherwise i vaguely recall ppl trying the raspberry pi and blockverification taking too long
ag3nt_zer0: trinque no just worried about getting them out at august first
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu... yes I need to do this... is it more expedient for a newb like me to attempt this on my old G5 or should I try it on another rasbpi?
mircea_popescu: if this is too inconvenient/complicated/expensiuve whatever, sell your bitcoin, now, and put the fiat in a fiat bank.
ag3nt_zer0: trinque it was just !!v instead of the old !v
mircea_popescu: so you know, run a proper node, make a new address there, send whatever coinbase/bitaddress/whatever held funds to it and be done.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the point of a private key is that only you know it.
ag3nt_zer0: will display the correspnding pubkey... if it did this and everything matched can I take this as absolute that I am controlling and privkey will work when I want to send in 10 years?
ag3nt_zer0: might anyone help me with this question? I created a paper wallet using bitaddress.org transferred to little airgapped raspberry pi... not wanting to print on my wifi capable printer, I chose to write down the numbers. Now I am wanting to get my coins the hell off coinbase before the nonsense and am concerned that my private key is legit. so, I learned that I could go back on bitaddress.org, offline of course, and click "wallet de
asciilifeform: i thought state of the art 'serious work' was... stealing boxes
trinque: anyhow the deedbot box has backups on archival dvd, deploy scripts to plop the thing onto another box, etc etc; I'm sure same goes for other infrastructure
mircea_popescu: turning off pw auth possibly unclutters them more
asciilifeform: they give ~0 additional tightness unless your setup was catastrophically ill-conceived to begin with
mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble."
mircea_popescu: know the joke ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this is the point of all art and all science -- to avoid being stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the knowledge problem is not so simple as pictured here. husband may be at work but built camera into the floor long before he met the whore. phf may know re box but not care ( asciilifeform for instance regards contents of hdd of rental servers as sacrificial , esp after theft of the original dulap , etc )
asciilifeform: contemplated setting up a honeypot for them to see what is the payload, but ars longa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to continue upstream : education is an effort to resolve the unknowledge-sybil problem. you take in the girl and know full well what she doesn't know, whip her, fuck her, not necessarily in this order, until she gets to the place where you don't know what she doesn't know, at which point she's an adult slave.
asciilifeform: trinque: i get these 'chinese' every day
trinque had fail2ban off for a while, and looked like there were mostly just two "chinese" IPs chewing on the box. when I re-enabled fail2ban, got moar IPs chewing, either by happenstance or one turd circumventing fail2ban.
trinque: asciilifeform: doubtful it'd just be a111; my fail2ban.log is rather long too. and fwiw authlog appears to have fewer IPs when fail2ban's off, moar, when on.
mircea_popescu: that's one statement as to why we dun wanna be socialist. I DON'T WANT MY ABSENCE OF MIND STRUCTURED MOTHERFUCKERS.
mircea_popescu: the things you don't know, if structured, become an alt-you.
mircea_popescu: a keen awareness of... what their parents... don't notice.
mircea_popescu: what is the basis of adolescent pretense to autonomy, independence and adulthood generally ?
mircea_popescu: "in order to masquerade the husband, youthful aspirant needs knowledge of what... husband doesn't know"
mircea_popescu: ok, let's start small. what's the one thing the lover needs to know in order to safely visit the cheating wife ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs a sybil of you.
asciilifeform: i'm at a loss re what one can get from inside a111 that ain't easier to get from the upstream isp.
mircea_popescu: the problem with secrets is that the people who know where they are also know what they are.
asciilifeform: log bot seems like a pathetic choice of target, also
mircea_popescu: the "really weird way" argument is not very productive because enemy is both inept and fearful.
phf: it's weird enough that i'm going to spin up a new btcbase instance. this would be a really weird way to mess with it (why not nuke everything, etc.) and i'm sure i could've done something carelessly a while ago, and the things only now caught up, but i'd rather not experiment further.
phf: asciilifeform: nah, definitely not. there's too much state in "screen", that's been the same since forever.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ^ word. i have seen kids drink these days. a) it's all beer and b) they think slightly buzzed = plastered. << Fuckers were also sober when arriving to bar
mircea_popescu: phf really the only important knob after such event is to be able to set "likely bug" or "likely messed with".
phf: asciilifeform: so test chan is hard written in code, in a defvar, but there's a config (essentially a setq ...) that's supposed to override it. the config was missing (which i ~vaguely~ remember maybe accidentally doing myself). so in any case defvar should've stayed consistent no matter what. i'm not sure ~how~ it could get reset without a complete reload of an instance or an explicit setq
mircea_popescu: ^ word. i have seen kids drink these days. a) it's all beer and b) they think slightly buzzed = plastered.
BingoBoingo: idea how these aliens work.
scriba: Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily << Not really, cars are too safe nowadays. With crumple zones it is hard to die as a drunk driver and the other alcoholic deaths take time. Also many of them ain't wired right to properly drink selves to death. Somehow their brains signal "drunk enough" and then they stop, I have no
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1685822 << i'm not sure what happened. i initially misdiagnosed the issue, and lost the state necessary to figure out alternatives. i'm pretty sure though that the configuration parameters got reset (how??) and the bot was happily sitting on a random test channel
mircea_popescu: you know, back then it was the DEMOCRAT party running the poor-but-white blacks-are-farm-implements tickets.
BingoBoingo: Well, GOP. No true Republicans get elected in the US. Not since Jefferson allegedly sired hundreds of farm implements himself.
BingoBoingo: And most GOP entertainers also value their brand enough to not sink it over giving mouth hugs to mommy state.
BingoBoingo: Also there's more entertainers expressing interest in GOP contests. Pantsuit entertainers have horrid general election track record. GOP side though... Trumpreich.
mircea_popescu: correct play, too. he really has no interest in putting in the work to try and salvage the nonsense ; and the pantsuits will have a hell of a time arguing that "we put on the books laws that don't work because we expect they can be constantly patched as a matter of course -- and this is fine"
BingoBoingo: In other news, Trump's going to let Obamacare come to natural death and wait for new Senate after 2018 mid term. GOP primary season will now be VERY interesting.
shinohai: Not bad, another hot day already ... catching up on some reading, you?
scriba: Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily
trinque: nah I meant the segue variation; we're gonna need one of those google AIs nao
mircea_popescu: lol! in other speaking of whiches, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4ffab76fa0593af3ad614a5c1d1abf82/tumblr_ogvolangKO1ubsampo1_1280.jpg
trinque: BingoBoingo: better wash out your mind's eye first with !#s in other news
mircea_popescu: obviously, that'd be the idea.
BingoBoingo: Well, there's manosphere community corners that promote the artificial testosteroning as the exact thing girly birth control is. Except with cool weight gain.
BingoBoingo: Of all the fake testosterones, Tren is the one that doesn't require supplementing with testosterone in order to allow boners, so popular. Does work as male birth control though.
mircea_popescu: gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the idea tbh.
BingoBoingo: In the feedlot the doped of course are in supermarket before those outcomes can happen.
BingoBoingo: Essentially boosting the engine's compression without upgrading the plumbing, promotes cardiac and psychiatric deaths
BingoBoingo: Gotta get the steers to put on size without getting tough
mircea_popescu: they're all tired fucking genders.
BingoBoingo: Nah, it's the third gender
mircea_popescu: no that's the faux dilemma for females.
mircea_popescu: gives "going to the shrink" a whole new layer.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wai would a richd00d take ballshrinkelixir << Apparently some users find shrank balls more comfortable, also HCG can be used to preven the shrink
mircea_popescu: the "appear hamplanet harmless" ploy not even bad approach to that goal.
BingoBoingo: Apparently they are sexually harassing the boss to get him fired? Or mebbe he used owning a newspaper to ghostwrite the thing.
mircea_popescu: did the guy's payola mcnuggets & happy meals not make it this month or wtf is their problem.
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta probe vanity publishing ass further: "Bezos used to be a giant baby-faced, Kevin-Spacey-faced nerd who sold textbooks on a website and looked ecstatic merely to be alive. Now, hes buying up bougie grocery stores and publishing a newspaper with a metal-ass tagline. Hes in the putting businesses out of business business, and hes got the muscle and shaved head to prove it."
BingoBoingo: Apparently according to his fake news outlet: "Most people know that online firearm sales create big loopholes that allow customers to bypass background checksbut who knew e-commerce pioneer Jeff Bezos was hawking guns like these?! The Amazon CEO and Washington Post owner showed up to an Idaho conference in a skintight T-shirt last week, displaying a set of arms most reasonable observers would classify as assault weapons."
mircea_popescu: i only did it to get ethereum tokens
mircea_popescu: ie, people will drop ~a specific form~ of a stupid idea just as soon as it's literally beaten from their cold, dead hands, AND NEVER BEFORE.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1683139 ie "the bitcoin banking cartel" very much apropos.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's quite evident and not a matter open to much dispute that a whole lot of not-really-into-bitcoin barnacles have been steadily accumulating, at least in their own esitmation, since 2012 or so.
asciilifeform: possibly model is the latter.
asciilifeform: iirc prb already is written to reject blocks that attempt to 'illicitly' spend the perfectly legitimately anyonecanspendolade
asciilifeform: though i imagine the plan of the pantshits is to cement the 'soft' fork as hard, somehow
asciilifeform: and the moar spectacular.
asciilifeform: i can already almost smell the shat pants
mircea_popescu: eventually, i expect they will.