a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 00:01 mircea_popescu: sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 23:48 mircea_popescu: "oh i know, i'll just find the secret retailer nobody knows about in my quest to not fucking do the job!!!"
mircea_popescu: sign colo contracts with >1 dcs located outside of usg/nato ; buy and mail them >1 boxes. for bonus points, actually go there and install the items yourself ; and vlog the whole thing.
ben_vulpes: what is 'the job' here? make friends with dc(s) and buy/rent/rack own hardware in it/them?
mircea_popescu: "oh i know, i'll just find the secret retailer nobody knows about in my quest to not fucking do the job!!!"
asciilifeform writes to umpteenth ru supposed-hoster, with canonical 'Можно ли оплатить хостинг криптовалютой Bitcoin ?' and gets the canonical 'Нет, но вы можете обменять её на рубли (или евро для серверов в Словакии)' ( i.e. pissoff )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 21:50 trinque: couldn't help but read latest trilema in the tone of "What ain't no country I've ever heard of! They speak English in What?"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714486 << that's quite on point. as they say in what, "the mother of unexpected visits' always pregnant."
BingoBoingo: But how does their exhaust smell?
asciilifeform: in other noose, 2nd continuous day of aerial combat drills over dc
mircea_popescu: fucking hell, even beginner bridge player understands the point of guards and what finesse is.
asciilifeform: dunno for whom at this point, i suspect that ~everybody already traded theirs in, so nao the 'official' price can be wahtever hitler likes
BingoBoingo: Well, this just means they waited too.
mircea_popescu: typical tripod websites bullshit, i waited for months to float teh ECu, day fucking after they fall over each other to print different-random numbers on their guesbook visitor counters.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o lol look at that, btc down 17%, ethereum 20, bitcoin crash 25, litecoin 30. it's like harmonics. << Ah yeah, just USD noise spike. All altcoins have a few of those as they die
mircea_popescu: o lol look at that, btc down 17%, ethereum 20, bitcoin crash 25, litecoin 30. it's like harmonics.
BingoBoingo: Right, and Francia Raisa has tits that deserve the toxin clearing support offered by dual kidneys
asciilifeform: ( some still pumping. naturally the pipe ain't THAT wide )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 21:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714318 << the famous aeorns were plastic except for a few parts.
asciilifeform: 'does the copy verbiage literally contain entire phrases from nsa.fleanode's 'private internet fuckery' scamolade ?' if yes -> to /dev/null -- is good firstpass cut, loses 95% of noise
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: at least consider ~reading~ these before posting...
pete_dushenski: anyone tried "superbithost" ? they have servers available in non-nato lands (eg. argentina, south africa, dubai), accept btc, and as of may 2017 will accept fuckgoats units by mail to the three aforementioned locales.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was the question.
mircea_popescu: and in other "what's #trilema not got ? a chance at surivival" news, what's the story on the chinese woman ? have we hired one yet ?
asciilifeform: there's one right ~next to where i live, massive fortified beauty thing circa '50s with n weeks of diesel, metre-thick walls, etc. and i know it has colo; and many times i tried to lease a cage to be met with 'no, call THEM', 'oh dontchaknow, we sold to Shitcorp last month', 'yeah this is shitco, we never heard of no colo', etc
BingoBoingo: From the trilema
asciilifeform always pictures the anal punisher in mircea_popescu's stories speaking in the voice from his canonical ' pig farmin' '
trinque: couldn't help but read latest trilema in the tone of "What ain't no country I've ever heard of! They speak English in What?"
mircea_popescu: o wait there was. well, some guy who once met trump visited a russian bath!!!1
asciilifeform: ' Imran, Abid and Jamal Awan and Hina Alvi, Natalia Sova and Rao Abbas ' << quite the orcfest
mircea_popescu: there was no proof!\
asciilifeform: 'but they were provided with an elaborate falsified image designed to hide the massive violations' << but a-ok when clitler lol
mircea_popescu: wtf, really ? what alt-planed are these schmucks from.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714452 << the elaborate pile of nonsense usg secreted. "Data was also backed up to Dropbox in huge quantities, the official said. Congressional offices are prohibited from using Dropbox, so an unofficial account was used, meaning Awan could have still had access to the data even though he was banned from the congressional network." ie, "i promise not to use computers!!!"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-mother-of-all-unexpected-visits/ << Trilema - The mother of all unexpected visits
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 17:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm not convinced that the exchange ( any and all of them ) price have ANYTHING to do with actual reality
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714392 << in fact, they have nothing to do with anything.\
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 16:37 pete_dushenski: lovely logs these last few days btw. material science, cars, some french, shite servers, and design discussions. what doesn't #t have ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714333 << much chance of survival, seeing how a state of necessity was just declared, and absent servers there's no digital.
mircea_popescu: "That sheer but resistant fabric hit on the right gestalt for where our culture was at."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714318 << the famous aeorns were plastic except for a few parts.
mircea_popescu: you've got better chances to be fucked by the boss.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 15:48 asciilifeform: whenever i think of cheap 100%finestchinesium officechairs, i think of the famous 'overpressure piston impalement' chair.
BingoBoingo: Meh, sounds like they didn't have much of a budget
BingoBoingo: Was on the big screen
BingoBoingo: In other Chrysler deets http://www.denverpost.com/2017/09/10/friends-speed-testing-sports-car-runway-killed/
BingoBoingo: But USG.HotPotato.Chrysler has different fashion designer associations for their inter-rectual pooperty
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: trinque: can always save money on build and buy "pre-made" but then you're stuck with another man's vision of "correct 930 race car" eg. http://archive.is/tQeSY
BingoBoingo: ^ ty alf for the pickets
BingoBoingo: Meh, get something trackable from the factory like a "Honda Fit Sport", you know it's trackable because "Sport" is in the name
pete_dushenski: answer is always "when i was but a boy" or even "just before i was born and the world was still blessedly unburdened by my mortal knowledge"
trinque: 1979 is the correct answer.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i realise now that the issue with 911 wasn't 911 but WHICH 911. i've refined my tastes in them to gt3 variants alone. the cs/c4s/turbo are too phat butt. it's an enormous range though (20+ sub-variants), so it only figures that there'd be one that'd appeal. much like usa itself. so i'm not a fan of nyc. big whoop! hawaii is still the tits.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:21 mircea_popescu: the wireball idea is sound ; the rest of the crap... notrly. i'd say it's been already fully recorded as is.
BingoBoingo: Of interest as indictment fodder, which is why deliberation of how to go from fence to BUILD THE WALL takes time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Interesting, on the fence between fodder and snore. This is where fence tend to lie, so will decide in a butt.
asciilifeform: so i have nfi why the tx fees etc.
asciilifeform: ( if they open conversation publicly 1st -- i will sometimes ask out of curiosity. but nobody's got to answer )
asciilifeform: it is my policy not to ask FG buyers any questions, i have nfi why bought, whether to use as rng or fishing lure, and don't really care
pete_dushenski: apparently some are in rush (see tx fees!) but why not in rush 6 mo ago then.
pete_dushenski: so it's slower, what's the rush ?
asciilifeform: ( naturally they will still be sold if the box vanishes, but process will be less automated and slower )
asciilifeform: oh and incidentally if anyone's been putting off their FG purchase, nao is not a bad time.
ben_vulpes: train station office era coming to a close; all sorts of crazy flying through the air
pete_dushenski: shkreli went all-in on usg.nato with pharma play. so there he will rot.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm not convinced that the exchange ( any and all of them ) price have ANYTHING to do with actual reality
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: only really need one or two exchanges for price signal anywhere in the world. what was mircea_popescu's last estimate of off-exchange trading ? 90% ? and that was a few years ago. surely > now.
pete_dushenski: new yorker gunning for clitler is closest to 'blaze' that new yorker can imagine. they live in a concrete mental cage. i dunno what you want from them.
asciilifeform: also why the fuck ain't he in moscow already.
pete_dushenski: "because gotta kamikaze in a blaze of glory. it's last call and the bar's closing" aha
pete_dushenski: solicitation of assault in exchange for money,” the judge said. “That is not protected by the First Amendment.”"
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/1mz8v << ""The Clinton Foundation is willing to KILL to protect its secrets. So on HRC’s book tour, try to grab a hair from her. I must confirm the sequences I have. Will pay $5,000 per hair obtained from Hillary Clinton," the Facebook post stated. Although Shkreli's lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, argued the post fell under the right to free speech, Judge Matsumoto disagreed. "This is a
asciilifeform: i still suspect that the 'crypto on commodity iron' idea will crumble definitively if hit with even a very modest hammer...
asciilifeform: ^ which does mean that i'ma have to a) audit the binary when ffa built for use in the field b) patch gcc/gnat not to emit DIV
asciilifeform: in other olds , https://archive.is/ksYSr << DIV instruction on recent intel, NOT constant-time
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 et al : same goes for the FG docs
asciilifeform: mod6: phuctor gz is STRICTLY the db
mod6: so was there another dumpfile I missed with some FG stuff, or is that all contained in the phuctor blob?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 16:38 asciilifeform: !!!!! ACHTUNG, PANZERS! !!!!! >>>> http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/dump_9_13_17.gz <<<< phuctor db snapshot, circa last night. this is likely to be the last chance for an unknown while , for anyone who wants to grab a copy.
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, ( BingoBoingo -- qntra fodder? or snoar ) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0HWMD/?raw=true , http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HvNiX/?raw=true << nsa war against 133337 w4r3z . ( runs on java! and other laughs inside )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: it's a crawler. just goes everywhere. brings all the things with me.
pete_dushenski: mod6: they're boss. very aspirational too. works on many levels : practicality, insurance policy, social cachet, and self-worth
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:32 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i kinda always wondered why exactly the SUV craze stopped. i mean, once you give up on sense, there's no way to land, is there ? they could have made a DOUBLE SIZED "car", that takes up two lanes, and could carry that much more injected plastic on the frame.
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713589 << craze just shrunk so that 4-banger engines can propel "suv". it's alive and well though. sedan is dead on a stick. << I hate driving, but i can't see myself ever not having the slut-wagon.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713651 << 700hp suv, 800hp muscle car, all at the altar of MOOOARR POWWWAHH. because gotta kamikaze in a blaze of glory. it's last call and the bar's closing.
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : same goes for the FG docs
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:32 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i kinda always wondered why exactly the SUV craze stopped. i mean, once you give up on sense, there's no way to land, is there ? they could have made a DOUBLE SIZED "car", that takes up two lanes, and could carry that much more injected plastic on the frame.
asciilifeform: !!!!! ACHTUNG, PANZERS! !!!!! >>>> http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/dump_9_13_17.gz <<<< phuctor db snapshot, circa last night. this is likely to be the last chance for an unknown while , for anyone who wants to grab a copy.
pete_dushenski: lovely logs these last few days btw. material science, cars, some french, shite servers, and design discussions. what doesn't #t have ?
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713592 << aha. BingoBoingo recalls well. since we're doing muh archives, here's the link again (http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/09/finding-the-light/)
pete_dushenski: i don't recall ever having written about ~owning~ schmancy watches even if i did nail tlp on patek prices (http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/) and did publicly confess to owning leather+plywood chair (http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/20/the-eames-lounge-legacy-continues/)
asciilifeform: ( my brother still uses it, it looks and works entirely the same today as when found )
mod6: he blew the wheels off of two chairs (at different times) that I saw with my own eyes.
mod6: before the thing blows my ass off.
asciilifeform: ( iirc the photo was linked here, couplea yrs ago )
asciilifeform: whenever i think of cheap 100%finestchinesium officechairs, i think of the famous 'overpressure piston impalement' chair.
mod6: just fixed my office chair.. apparently all it took was to tighten up the dial thingy on the bottom.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 05:57 mircea_popescu: trinque always struck me as a case of "i know these people are right but i don't want them to be" internal tension.
asciilifeform: trinque: didja 'libraryize' the crypto routines? or how did you end up doing it.
shinohai: lukejr and his "This is not consensus-compatible with the Bitcoin network."
shinohai: I lol at the history: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ygpom/its_time_to_decentralize_bitcoin_development/cydk5q1/
BingoBoingo off to serve the interest of Petty Justice for a few hours.
BingoBoingo remembers the hard way having been involved in learning this
BingoBoingo: Or the fire waters, or wherever his kind goes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trinque i imagine dood just didn't know how to proceed and too weird to ask. << Not like he can't go to The Waters and consult Mithra
mod6: <+trinque> wtf, just make it public then, what's this autistic "no but the sticker's still there that says safe" << oh, i misunderstood this at first pass. you mean, 'make the parent class public, instead of protected' ya?
mircea_popescu: trinque always struck me as a case of "i know these people are right but i don't want them to be" internal tension.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-20 02:46 chetty: A Fatwa has been issued against living on Mars by clerics who say that trying to set up home there would be un-Islamic.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 01:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand on subj plox for the l0gz
BingoBoingo: And lol at the cpp cancerisms
trinque: at any rate, the thing's HORRIBLY NAMED AND DEFINED class tree is bad enough; I don't think I'd ever sign anything that introduces yet another atop.
trinque: wtf, just make it public then, what's this autistic "no but the sticker's still there that says safe"
trinque: the guy introduced a new wrapper class to... allow himself (?) to diddle an attr of the parent class marked "protected"
trinque: in the process, realized I oughta publically denounce something in the funkenstein importprivkey/dumpprivkey patch
trinque been spelunking in the trb innards a while, close to wrapped up on a few little tools to go hexstring->privkey->pubkey->addr relying solely on existing trb innards.
mircea_popescu: concentration is the exactly wrong answer here.
asciilifeform: realize what this looks like -- enemy finally gets around to nudging the weak points, and they crumble like old drywall
mircea_popescu: well, something will eventually happen. the situation is just as untenable as it was back in the days of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646924
mircea_popescu: maybe one day there's a place to rent servers from. until such a time, so long phuctor.
mircea_popescu: so im guessing that a) disk phuctor disk is never getting replaced, when it fails it faisl and b) im not going to be paying these schmucks anymore, when they turn it off they turn it off.
mircea_popescu: this a) re an ip that hasn't sent any mail in the past i dunno, six months ? and b) from the phuctor people.
mircea_popescu: recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
asciilifeform: yaya untermenschen don't see their obvious destiny to plug machinegun embrasure for the glory of tmsr
mircea_popescu: everything to do with a honest day's work is an incomprehensible ball of contradictions to the comfortable lazy, ever so convinced of the usual slate of "can make own decisions" and whatnots.
mircea_popescu: why exactly i am still paying fucking fiatola ugstani retards to host servers for me when there's a whole lot of supposedly competent, supposedly business oriented and not yet entirely senile bright minds also an open question
mircea_popescu: why exactly raid reconstruction would require reboot is an open question, and exactly contrary to the specific design of this item
mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
asciilifeform: they make petro drilling accessories, nuke accounting tools, and... church domes
asciilifeform: as for the peculiar iron box and led display, it's a straight rework of old sov calc chassis, which is telltale evidence of when item was designed : '80s, the last time anything interesting happened in orcistan.
mircea_popescu: tho really, there's more em planes in coil of wire than there's cleavage planes in foundry glass.
mircea_popescu: the wireball idea is sound ; the rest of the crap... notrly. i'd say it's been already fully recorded as is.
mircea_popescu: a) рф ? rly ? wtf is рф ? b) publicdocumens/1312420 ? really ? WHAT THE FUCK is being communciated, am i often going to do select where = randomnumber ? c) pdf, really ? fu
asciilifeform: btw if anyone givesafuck, i found the sealtron, it is a commercial ru export nao, supposedly, http://промкаталог.рф/PublicDocuments/1312420.pdf
mircea_popescu: and in other "wikipedia is great because social media is science and consensus is truth" lulz, http://www.piticigratis.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1504781940364.jpg
mircea_popescu: no idea why, i mean you fucking owned the item, and you coudl actually buy replacement resistences for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, the space heaters of the era came with, shit you not, nickeline wire + lead stamp seal on the screw-in cover.
asciilifeform: presumably these were also used in n00kz ( they were used in konsoomer items for some unknown to me reason, i have a calculator still with virginal seal on bolts )
asciilifeform: ( and we had the babylonian seals thread. standardized seals are useless. but magic value that sram forgets if boobytrap sprung, is prolly best physicaltamper trap possible short of keeping subject under own pillow to guard )
mircea_popescu: !#s Don the Crown
shinohai: Sing this song while you are inside her, clothes are no:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=senoF0vblek
mircea_popescu: (current value is 365.2422, but it is likely his value was closer to the correct value at his time than ours.)
mircea_popescu: a 3 got lost in there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, nothing can stop you! great us novel still awaiting the pen.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713937 << I suppose I'll have to add "write great novel romance novel 'Sally Hemmings And The Widower'" to agenda
mircea_popescu: pretty fine 365 days and 1/4 value he got there, too.
mircea_popescu: anyway, his point stands -- absent any qualitative understanding, ie for a black box world, the probability as declared is the best approximation. this is no small matter, at all.
mircea_popescu: they want observation-by-proxy, like everything else.
mircea_popescu: and the exact problem is directly obvious if one considers HOW exactly the "data" of "climate science" was obtained. "what do you mean you have to be there to observe!"
mircea_popescu: the exact quote is "En faisant, par exemple, remonter la plus ancienne époque de l'histoire à cinq mille ans, ou à 1 826 21jours, et le soleil s'étant levé constamment dans cet intervalle , à chaque révolution de vingt-quatre heures, il y a 182621/1 à parier contre un qu'il se lèvera encore demain. Mais ce nombre est incomparablement plus fort pour celui qui connaissant par l'ensemble des phénomènes le principe ré
shinohai: hahaha the laplace
mircea_popescu: not really. pretty much everything that's pompously called "bayesian statistics" in the "rationalist" circles (not just the self-labeled internet tards, but eg googleheads) is simply lifted laplace / serials shaved off.
asciilifeform: i thought the sun item was a wink at the fact that statistic is an inference tool, not divine revelation
mircea_popescu: (no, "global warming" is absolutely not novel ; the same sort of cathar nonsense was prevalent in all ages of great pretense and low literacy, usuallyu known as dark ages)
mircea_popescu: shinohai laplace points out (correctly) that a first heuristic for "what is the probability of sun rising tomorrow" is to divide the number of times it was observed rising to the total number of assays. in this case, your life in days / your life in days + 1.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand on subj plox for the l0gz
shinohai: I thought "The Sun also rises" was Heningway work
mircea_popescu: speaking of paucity in scientific literature : /me has not to date encountered a proper discussion of laplace's "sun also rises" probability ; notwithstanding the pantsuits got butthurt enough over the "absurdity" of it to pretend "bayesian" is the proper name for laplaceian statistics, nobody seems to have put the elbow greate into it.
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f3e231e4b02fbeedcd44811027eb3f7c/tumblr_nvgh93W86o1sjfoovo1_500.gif << i take it everyone knows the "guys, change the corpse in 3B, it's full" joke ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, should saucy mcsaucerson be a burlesque magic act ? or a really bad apple juggler ?
shinohai: Good for the both of us I guess
mircea_popescu: well, the perpetuation of the species is proof positive that most females could do it fine.
shinohai: I'm sure mircea_popescu 's slaves could do the same.
mircea_popescu: there's something fundamentally wrong with that pic...
hanbot: crowgoat.tumblr.com << my dad caught some frames of a mountain lion right outside his van (lives in a state park), for the cat afficionados
asciilifeform: and not the least bit particular to 1 or even N vendors.
mircea_popescu: right, but the same item went from vague to pointed is all.
asciilifeform: as in, theoretically - worm over rf
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj is re perma-rooting of any bt-supporting item, rather than 'data theft' such as haunts usg
mircea_popescu: heck, in one of the many plaintive items about "omfg you aren;'t going to believe the state of nuke tech", there even was the story of jhow bluetooth is bannable offense.
asciilifeform: ( exactly like the broadcom remoteroot from 6mo ago. except this one is an overflowism IN THE SPEC rather than any particular chip's implementation )
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 23:01 asciilifeform: 'That followed the General Services Administration removing Kaspersky from an approved-vendors list in early July and a congressional push to pass a law that would ban Kaspersky from being used by the Department of Defense.'
mircea_popescu: then willy nilly he has to sleep.
asciilifeform: lol somehow i pictured phf as one of the folx who operates in burst mode, reads log for 8h marathon every 5wks or sumthing
phf: asciilifeform: i haven't had a chance to meet with zeptobars guy yet, but will do before the end of my visit
asciilifeform: ( recall recent article re how to get gpg privkey out of the squeals. )
mircea_popescu: induction coil, somerthing. (mobos still have them for instance)
asciilifeform did not grow up in moscow, and spent a total of couplea days there, as a kid, never saw this item sadly
phf: in the 90s the exhibit of denisyuk technology was basically a tiny room, with a handful of original prints and the "holographic device", displayed with a working laser. was a kind of mecca for certain kind of person, mandatory for a visit when you're spending a day in vdnh
asciilifeform: construction and assembly the young lab tech did with his own hands.'
asciilifeform: the major breakthrough in holography was made from very common materials, which shows the astonishing dedication, enthusiasm despite a total lack of support from management
asciilifeform: 'the bobbin, in all likelihood, was from some truck. in the early years denisyuk used it for igniting the mercury lamp, it served at first the function of the yet-uninvented laser. nearby is a capacitor by siemens, a transformer, definitely scavenged, found on some post-war scrapyard
phf: a kind of semipermanent "look into the bright communist future" exhibit
mircea_popescu: i was thinking of the rsatron
mircea_popescu: oh the knapsack application
asciilifeform: somewhere in there.
mircea_popescu: the tower of light solver you mean ?
phf: either of you mind digging up that thread?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had the thread, in '13 even
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, it was a very niche thing. a sort soviet retro future exhibit that somehow survived through the 90s. i don't quite remember what else was there, plasma globes, various magnet accentuated magnetic liquids, that sort of stuff
mircea_popescu: it is in fact (the method described) an application of laser interferometry, which is precisely how you'd do the tower-of-light solver.
asciilifeform: phf: sadly i've never been there
mircea_popescu: it only has the appeal of the unknown, as in who knows what pie we find turning over this pot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but unlike , say, egyptian mult, barrett doesn't have the appeal of simplicity or obvious correctness.
phf: that exhibit back in the day.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 20:00 asciilifeform: some folx make holographs today, in their cellars, it is i suspect the same attraction. rather like colour film in 1930s
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713800 << one of the appeals of VDNH back in the day was a tucked-in-the-corner collection of Denisyuk holograms. so i went there again, place is almost a shell at this point, BUT one of the buildings was taken over by polytechnical museum, not only did they make a rather nifty science (without quotes!) museum but they also preserved all those old holograms. i suspect i wasn't the only one who loved
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been laying it out on paper since he posted. any way i cut it, thus far, it costs moar than the classical .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713551 << i don't think his notion is without merit, incidentally. there may be something there.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in that other place, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-13.log.html#t21:44:34
asciilifeform: ( there is a legit reason why, but i will leave it as exercise for readers )
mircea_popescu: and so in these terms, the question becomes "if you substract nothing from something an infinite number of times, what're you left with ?"
mircea_popescu: of course the computronist would think mod 0 is "an op that dun terminate". but in any case, the "divide by x" approach to calculating a mod is just shorthand, not fundamental. mod is defined in terms of substraction (take x and y, substract y from x until remainder sub y), has nothing to do with multiplication side of the number ring.
mircea_popescu: this is because of set theoretic considerations whereby increases in the mod parameter increase the pile of possible results, eg mod 2 is 0 or 1
mircea_popescu: fwiw, in my universe mod 0 is defined, and has the value 0.
mircea_popescu: phf you know, for all the foibles, 1970s pop icons DID try a sort of very brusque, uninformed and "hi i come from the trailer park" alf-boat. hence cocksucker blues and the large touring busses.
mircea_popescu: yes, but putting that in the log is like putting the goop in the woman. so much fun to do you keep doing it.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713471 << and be part of an actual car (submarine-hellicopter) with the generator in the trunk and the bitchez sunning themselves on teh roof ?
mircea_popescu: ie, there's nothing capitalist about it whatsoever ; capitalism does order the disordered symbols in similar manner as longhand does, as an act of civilisation and a point of manifest superiority pointedly absent from the work (or generally ustardian mentality today)
mircea_popescu: also lulzy, in simiular vein, though i wouldn't for a moment call it "capitalist hell". it is pure and simple collapse among the symbols, as typified in teh elevator scene.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform got a leather-bound 'незнайка на луне' nearly 2wks before the plane , and was in for quite a treat, pictured was stereotypical 'capitalist hell' usa )
mircea_popescu: (no, the present socialism isn't the first to run headfirst into the female brick wall. who could have predictered!)
asciilifeform: there is a legend that yeltsin swore on a copy instead of bible
asciilifeform: the apotheosis of neznaika series was 'neznaika on the moon', which 'for adults' described moar or less exactly 1990s ruprivatizationlulz
mircea_popescu: "and then newton sat down to write three laws" exactly it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a pity all the cancerous fags passing for comedians in pantsuit circles are crowding out the real talent which might be writing exceptional xharms pieces on the basis of current idiocy.
mircea_popescu: and here's the engineer's sliderule for logs tee hee.
asciilifeform: aha it's the thing described in mircea_popescu's 'and then newton sat down to write 3 laws...' article
mircea_popescu: you can not mark them for the latter, i guess, but the point must be made that no, NOTHING EVER STOPS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo it's very fucking stupid to show kids how to do plain division by hand, but then NOT also show them how to do square roots. it fucks up the whole purpose ofd the whole thing, paring down a tree branch to a single item.
mircea_popescu: there you go! modern science marches on.
asciilifeform: holy SHIT they translatedit