PeterL: what is this, mircea_popescu linking a pdf?!? the scandal!
mircea_popescu: the problem with the spec as-is is that you can't actually have a message of the same bitsize as the key, but must make it -1 ; this appears to be mentioned exactly NOWHERE, which is moderately concerning.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-16 01:34 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122947 << in other wtf questions.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122947 << in other wtf questions.
shinohai: Yeah the cli-interface took a little adjustment but I kinda liked it once I figured it out
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i like the new cli-style merchant interface a lot better in priciple.
mod6: <+shinohai> I haven't seen danielpbarron since the reset, hope he's ok. I still have his items. << he's in-game now it seems
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> you should have pretty high q stuff now, since the float. << ah cool! i'll check it out.
shinohai: I haven't seen danielpbarron since the reset, hope he's ok. I still have his items.
mircea_popescu: you should have pretty high q stuff now, since the float.
mod6: fwiw, i logged in day or so ago to check and ensure at least on the surface, all was still well.
mircea_popescu: gotta do smaller things till the client's in better shape.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you were judged and came out worthless ; waste the rest of your inconsequential time somewhere else.
asciilifeform: back go all things to their proper orbits.
kanzure: i thought "in 2 weeks" is the handwave answer?
mircea_popescu: you mean them microscopes that don't exist.
asciilifeform: i dun think he has to pinch pennies for them microscopes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's no room for pity or such bs here. dood had his moment to epiphanize, missed out on it, what more can be said, or need be said.
asciilifeform: d00d ain't hungry, you can take that to the bank.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've heard the hungry but sane before, they don't sound like that at all.
mircea_popescu: there's many classes of stupid, a well populous one (at least in the us) is "intelligent who are affraid of it".
asciilifeform: but for the well-fed i cannot see what possible excuse.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 21:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did a tour of duty in the most godforsaken imaginable salt mine full of ex-nsa folk.
asciilifeform: i have nfi with what one oughta have been whaked in the head, and with howmuch force, to do idjit humantricks for nsa for paltry sixfigses when no longer having to work to eat
asciilifeform: but i cannot cure kanzure . if wealth ( and by all indications, d00d is 'dependently' wealthy at the least ) did not cure -- who can cure.
mircea_popescu: i'm a dumb cunt just like them and imagine the value of my precious kitty is related to how many textile layers i keep it under.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as an ex-sufferer of 'hm, they're giving out money for dancytrick, how do i print 100MB using liquid shit on wattman paper' -- i grasp the fundamentals
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: nah d00d dun work with darpa, he works with iarpa, darpa is stolid old pentagon, iarpa - nsa << This does not exonerate the yeast's herald from being a herald of his yeastly superiors
mircea_popescu: moral of the story being, women left to rot in their own juice come up withe the same inept bullshit at darpa or at argentina.
mircea_popescu: i told the girly where to shove it, and she had to "ask" and whatnot. just as he was coming back witrh the "oh, no id needed anymore" updated policy i was getting the doorman to open the fucking door before i crack it open with his face.
mod6: mircea_popescu: woah, the next generation is hawt.
mircea_popescu: she invites us to this art whatever the fuck, in a loft downtown. we actually go! and there, whole festival of locking doors ands where's your id and whatnot.
asciilifeform: oh did i mention the doorman has form for you to fill in triplicate ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the actual next generation, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9af2cd6af1fe5d5456da8665cf4dc61b/tumblr_ntckg51hHH1scjhrvo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: place is set up like hollywood gulag of the fyootoor
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hey, he can be the beta provider in a fungus feeding reproductionship
asciilifeform: kanzure: if yur gonna fellate for money, fellate goldmansachs directly, for 9 digits, instead of the tardocrats for 7
mircea_popescu: but being dumb in the female way, especially if not biologically female, can not possibly have any physical effects.
jhvh1: 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the conceptualization of one being an utter fucktard can't happen in the comfortably idiotic.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol, the drink is a symptom
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you gotta wait for the man to ~take~ to drink before he can quit it!11
asciilifeform: step 2 is to omfg get a civilized chan log for yerself, kanzure , the .txt full of joinpart spamola is srsly sad
asciilifeform: or will last approx as long as the new york deathray d00d.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that distinction is not meaningful. pregnant woman is neither whore nor victim. she's pregnant.
mircea_popescu: i would say the matter's come to its natural conclusion : dude's came up with any of the usual explanation of why i'm rich and he's poor ; and will continue with his idiotic tack indefinitely.
asciilifeform: and the people who made devil's bargain with usg, supposed 'academics' who lie for money like the lowest crack whore does not.
mircea_popescu: you're so far from any kind of shared priors, there's absolutely no possible result here.
asciilifeform: and the inadmissibility of lossy operations in crypto
asciilifeform: to show how ludicrous the claim of 'aggregate N signatures into fixed space'
kanzure: anyway thanks for the encouragement about public releasing (d|i)arpa notes
mircea_popescu: ie, if it has seats and a stage there's going to be some kind of fly land on each.
mircea_popescu: you understand this is how the shit works, yes ? there's the bars, and there's the bar flies, and there's the indie bands. the relationship between all three is entirely coincidental.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was there in the sense wino was in bar. it takes a very special sort of someone to imagine they were there because they went to listen to the band.
mircea_popescu: what's the definition of "know" contemplated here ?
mircea_popescu: you don't correctly grasp the level of superficiality involved.
asciilifeform: and this is only one of the pseudoscientific horrors that boneh is pushing today.
asciilifeform: kanzure: if the year were 1995 and you were on sci.crypt and the denizen loon is promising 'zipper that zips 100MB into 100kB' you would laugh. but you do not laugh at publickkeysignatureaggregation ?!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:56 mircea_popescu: ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples.
asciilifeform: and ended up without either
BingoBoingo: So this "Sally Hemmings And The Widower" Fanfic/novel, I'm not finding anyway to work crabapple metaphor into unifying narrative
kanzure: bilinear maps are the future tho
asciilifeform: kanzure: i spilled the beans from a similar darpa conference that i attended, in the heart of the beast itself, few yrs back ( it's in the l0gz, spoiler : multilinear map homomorphic crypto is bunkum ) and still waiting for gasenwagen
mircea_popescu: i can promise you absolutely nobody will ever read it. in this sense "whether it's public" is not unlike rosie mcdowell wondering if her cunt's got privacy.
kanzure: not enough silicon of the type that is used
asciilifeform: see that there living room ? it's to have 50 somalis in it by end of 5yplan.
mircea_popescu: there's not enough si, check that dumb shit out, only the most common material in crust.
asciilifeform: they got meat production 5year plan, y'see
mircea_popescu: THEYRE INSUFFICIENT TODAY! and enoughly so for anyone!
mircea_popescu: how come these tards manage to always "be concerned" about "future" insufficiency ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imagine when those bits spoil in the heat of Utah desert!
asciilifeform: on 2nd thought 'nsa stores packets on dna' is just the right kind of starwars idiocy that oughta be encouraged.
asciilifeform: y'know the meat device for displaying those is already built : there's 1 on my windowsill atm
kanzure: these cat pics are important
asciilifeform: this 'pack the planet with bodies until everywhere looks like a crowded lift' thing ain't long for this world, kanzure
asciilifeform: and precisely how are we to run out of si, the #1 abundant element in the planet's crust ?!
kanzure: anyway the concern is that there's not enough pure silicon available to make enough flash memory for future projected demands of like 2^28 bits in ~20 years.
kanzure: sorry, that was the wrong number. 10^14 bits is today's write demand.
kanzure: i was in dc yesterday attending a dna synthesis meeting organied by iarpa. they want 10^14 data write with dna.
mircea_popescu: the what now ?
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, asciilifeform is trying the newton'smethod thing
asciilifeform: believe or not asciilifeform has 0 usable ties to ru at all. not even the ancient pieces of paper, survived.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714617 << goal is to establish co in moscows, and put a colo on its name? i can make inquiries about at least some of the steps, but not sure i'll be able to perform all the necessary actions in the time left.
mircea_popescu: then if you really care about 2d, 3d, nd effects we can... guess what... examine further orthogonal ones ?! wow!
mircea_popescu: because that's how you resolve the "i can't tell if this young'un is galois or insane" in practice of elder, slower, heavier gents : "follow ONE fucking spur to allow me to organize your nonsense, god damn it!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the boxen : the correct solution to "how much box" is, on the basis of both practical observation (every time tought, either as science, or as art, or as political work worked to date ; not to mention coral growth and everything else) as well as theoretical understanding is to provide SPURS instead of walls.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'szilard's engine' believe or not has a more ancient ru peasant existence!111 in the proverb 'Знал бы где упасть -- соломки бы подстелил' .
mircea_popescu: the work is quite specifically k T ln2.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Szilard engine - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/%3Ftitle%3DSzilard_engine%26redirect%3Dno>; Entropy in thermodynamics and information theory - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_in_thermodynamics_and_information_theory>; Szilard's engine – Powered by Knowledge – The Quantum and ...: <http://www.quantumcomplexity.org/tutorials/knowledge-is-power-the-energy-cont
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if one built a cylinder with independent pistons and a partition, and put a single molecule in, and knew on which side it found itself, that one could extract entropy work out of the assemblage!"
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as information theoretical, seeing how information has an actual thermodynamic backing.
asciilifeform: it's a fundamental tension in ~everything~, because it is in fact an information-theoretical problem and not at all domain-specific
mircea_popescu: too tight and it won't be worth reading, like all the nature science being pushed out by the shovelful.
mircea_popescu: and the problem is also a LOT bigger than commonly understood. a scientist's ability to produce anything meaningful is forever trapped in the superifical tension of a very narrow menisc : between him being caught in a certain box ("paradigm") but not in the other one ("orthodoxy").
mircea_popescu: but the phenomenon of "think outside the box! in the sense of out of that one and into this one!" is very widespread, which is why such shock and awe as in eg http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/#comment-119962
mircea_popescu: that's the advantage of living in a small pond, the exact opposite of the problem of math.
mircea_popescu: no, because the first romanian to ever notice this exists was called mircea popescu.
asciilifeform: oh speaking of this, asciilifeform's pet had response to mircea_popescu's 'o sopirla' : 'there is also an inverse sopirla, where an item has the outward pretense of disobedience, but in fact reaffirms pantsuit orthodoxy. did the romanians have a name for it as well?'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the convention is that girls who feel a deep urge to be so abused answer "moo" to that pic.
mircea_popescu: and also, "why make the breast pump hand held when it could be STEEL CHASSIS ?!?!?!" http://68.media.tumblr.com/4305a909780c8c074f0a67accaa6e8b2/tumblr_o6jz94RWl11svlhezo1_1280.jpg
NotEvenWrong: many thanks to all for the wonderful logs
mircea_popescu: well, so you deed a good deed, released some schmucks from their burden
NotEvenWrong: Gentlemen! The strangest thing happened to me yesterday: people voluntary exchanged their bitcoin for my bcrash!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at slavegirl camp, "say no to the o!" http://friskyb.tumblr.com/post/165154383535/sntto-day-8
mircea_popescu: anyway, the blm bullshit is straight up argentina import.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well he just told them to fuck off and made them get out of his white way
BingoBoingo: "Stockley shot Smith five separate times and prosecutors argued during the trial that Stockley put a gun in Smiths car after the encounter." << Per the verdict there was no fifth shot.
mircea_popescu: hey, aborting a whole ream of escaped avortons in one go. i can see the arousal potential.
BingoBoingo: http://thegoldwater.com/news/8115-Suck-My-D-ck-Driver-Says-before-Plowing-through-BLM << From civil disorder practice earlier this week. SUV man now local folk hero
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at "we're really very gay, but haven't yet figured out how to work the schlongs, only woman knows teh secrets" camp, http://68.media.tumblr.com/42098db929861153ec16f4dd90e896d0/tumblr_ntj118mBaJ1uaofddo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: it's funny, what multi-generational retards the us breeds.
mircea_popescu: somehow the earlier "change you can believe in" / "hope and change" blue usg brought to congo as obama I never stuck to them.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's also what Mobutu Sese Seko misgendernamed the Congo as
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw that's a charged term in central empire (царь-государь lands) because the main character in crna macka was zare. and he doth get the girl.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:29 mircea_popescu: that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today.
BingoBoingo: It's the way of zaire (pronoun) people
fcbl: for the first time Sir
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's not hand over tits. It's Foot over tits over ass, with head, other leg, arms folded out of view behind body
asciilifeform simply assumed that d00d reached some absorbingstate or other, couldn't be arsed to follow the nonsense
shinohai: It takes time to accustom oneself to the vernacular here, reading logs back as far as you dare will help.
asciilifeform: fcbl: http://btcbase.org/log and there are mirrors, log.mkj.lt/trilema/today , logs.bvulpes.com .
asciilifeform: fcbl: you know, there's a log , right ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Ah, here it is from Mr. Climatarast: "While he gave all of his students hard copies of his lecture notes before class, he said, he didnt provide electronic copies because based on my experience of providing all my students my lecture slides after each lecture for most if not all of the 16 times I have taught this course, I knew that one-third of my class would cease coming to my lectures if I provided them my lecture slides electro
BingoBoingo: When's the fun?
BingoBoingo: WTF: "Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you teach. Although you have a doctorate, I doubt that you do research, Schlesinger wrote to a disabilities services specialist at the university, announcing his departure last week. He accused the staff member of writing him coercive emails about the accommodation and copied his entire class on climate and global change on the exchange."
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/ << o check it out, remember anton something or the other, what's his face.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the slut depo, https://68.media.tumblr.com/3cda6174673c5aeb357d537d4914ff09/tumblr_nu4e6rHomc1u462dao1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: for the same money i'd like some flying submarines and you know, maga.
mircea_popescu: as if there even could fucking be such a thing, as an intellectual, ie, somehow who cultivates his mind, who is left, which is to say dedicated to stupidity.
BingoBoingo: Preets don't have spring. Their seasons are monsoon and not monsoon.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : New York U.S. attorney Preet Bharara says Trump fired him - USA Today mar 11 ; New York AG Hires Bharara Corruption Guy to Look Into Trump - NYMag mar 20
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 03:33 mircea_popescu: but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ...
mircea_popescu: for log completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714731 should read "but look at the idiotic pieces krugman used to shit out before getting preet'd on the quiet"
asciilifeform: the d00d who runs универмаг totally gets antitrusted ahaha.
mircea_popescu: he meant, "it's good enough for random mfa, why not good enough for ogilvy-mathers". and he has a point -- it is good enough.
mircea_popescu: of course that's the next step, but it's a step down in in-universe terms.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because then it's ~pravda.
mircea_popescu: and soudnbyte count, and quotability index and in general, before the mayo got cut by trilema & friends, it was an actual mayo.
asciilifeform: next step is the use of actual shannonizer. why not
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They had wordcount and utterance count
asciilifeform: they had content!?
mircea_popescu: that's what "too expensive intellectually" means. they can't keep coming up with the dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: the proof positive of how expensive the idiocy was, is that they've failed to keep it up over time.
asciilifeform: last i knew all 3 had their sinecures and microphones
mircea_popescu: so, look at the shit krugman was churning out, or for that matter look at the shit paul graham was churning out. or yes, yarvin.
mircea_popescu: because there was some "economist" that was churning out curtis yarvinesque pieces that got similarily von flondored, except quietlier-ly
mircea_popescu: god. wtf was the wanna-be big deal da who got von flondored recently ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> most of what's in wapo, nyt, et al is just samely formulaic as pravda front matter tho << But NYT, WAPO, etc are only INTERNALLY concordant. Reconciling the different NYT and WAPO creativities is noise generation
mircea_popescu: but look at the idiotic pieces that fucktard "economist" meanwhile entirely ...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform under the pressure of necessity, it has to be.
mircea_popescu: in other words, pravda was a cutout triangle, whereas this is a 3d pyramid. way the fuck more material sinks in.
mircea_popescu: it was comparatively easy to discern bad pravda copy from acceptable ; it is nigh on impossiblew to do same for washington post, nytimes and other fishwrappers, which is why the cloud of successive layers of "discussion" and "disagreement" and "critique" and so following.
mircea_popescu: this is very much a work of "it was a rainy night in december, i was having my tonsils basted when i stumbled on a copy of the gosplan blablabla"
mircea_popescu: because of the pretense of "creativity" as in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/ 3rd point.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press. << Turn out Bezos is really going to get cooked
mircea_popescu: i didn't even mean financially, that part is you know, necessary bundle with the bezzle. i meant actually in ideal terms. intellectually, ideologically, however you'd call it.
mircea_popescu: perfectly reasonable in economic terms, as they cost more than they make, but entirely incomprehensible in jew press terms, because they really thought they were princesses, somehow.
mircea_popescu: in an amusing turn of events, dnc is actually shedding the jew press.
BingoBoingo: Now because of this Herr Trump is lavishing praise on them for "bipartisanship" while pantsuit's media arm is still villainizing him
asciilifeform: could just as easily mean with mr. joo or the rest.
asciilifeform: dun necessarily mean future deals with the old man, whose balls appear to have crumbled when prodded, like tutankhamon's - does it
BingoBoingo: They are going to white house dinners, and making "frameworks for future deals"
asciilifeform: expand re the latter ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hillary published a book. The timing of the book's release coincides with Pelosi and Schumer moistening Herr Trump's balls.
asciilifeform: from the text
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i must admit that i found it utterly impossible to determine what the piece ^ is actually about
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/sjwhate/comments/702e9g/the_rise_of_white_identity_explained/ << For the recordbot
mircea_popescu: likely because that's how they exam take.
asciilifeform: yeah i still can't fathom why they're fixated on pilferage of phuctor hdd
mircea_popescu: but esp for phuctor, why bother. what are the local techs gonna do with the old hdd, not like it's not all on the web anyway
mircea_popescu: beats airpl;ane, yes. not even a matter of cost, a matter of time and wear-and-tear of the human capital.
mircea_popescu: BUT what i meant was, have a box of phuctor racked, and an identical box, stored at the dc (they do offer storage), or even also-racked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want to do with own hands the correct approach is to seal the box, have redundancy in there, and just switch over, ahve the box mailed to you etc.
mircea_popescu: doesn't take an hour to do this ; but they do have nimimums so.
asciilifeform: if i gotta do it with own hands then yes
mircea_popescu: so then 1, for phuctor, 1tb item ; 1 for special purpose amd, as much as it can carry, and 2 run of the mill, what's to be found at a decent price.
asciilifeform: can even have old amd, but with the expected horsepower hit ( and afaik none were made that ate >256G )
mircea_popescu: i dunno, what's reasonable these days ? 256gb / 1+0 4ssd raid / some intel cpu ? or can you find rackable older amds ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-15 01:05 mircea_popescu: and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-15#1714646 << under discussion was the corp registration as an add-on, not the whole story.
mircea_popescu: and you can do your own seals, as a bonus. at the very least have the girl blow on some nail polish.
mircea_popescu: not worth bothering with less than 4.
mircea_popescu: and all this, of course, is going into the s.nsa books.
mircea_popescu: and get at least another one.
mircea_popescu: now as to the other point : since you're making it for yourself, see if you can cram 1TB of ram in there for the phuctor box ?
asciilifeform: very easy when you ain't gotta boil own meat to make the fuel
mircea_popescu: there's overprovision that's stupid ; and then there's overprovision that's a matter of course. i've more fuel in the tank than ima going to use on the next sortie ; and more girls than i fuck and more food in the fridge than i eat and why the fuck wouldn't i.
mircea_popescu: why ~not~ have it ? you need the 500 bux or w/e it is that badly ?
mircea_popescu: well, that there's a local party to whatever agreements ; a local someone to sue or threaten to sue ; and in general, it's a good thing to have.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so spend some bitcents buy a small place in shitberg and pretend like you live there what.
asciilifeform: the actual text of their law dun seem the least bit ambiguous re the residency thing. but ianal.
mircea_popescu: and, to be perfectly clear : this is entirely non-blocking. much like the logs, if we end up with two ALL THE BETTER.\
mircea_popescu: anyway. see what local lawyer has to say. that's what they're for.
mircea_popescu: but no, "us can't make planes" or "White boy can't jump" come well short of heat death of universe, and can't be fixed in the manner.
mircea_popescu: so i guess to rephrase, "so start them working on your citizenship, you never know when it's useful."
mircea_popescu: it's squarely in the class of issues which, provided you have a lawyer pour enough hours into it, ALWAYS gets fixed your way.
mircea_popescu has never experienced this wonder where citizenship is a problem ; but then again whatevs.
asciilifeform: it ain't a costarica, you gotta actually prove continuous residence & employment ( or alternatively being loaded and then you get passport from mr. p personally signed )
asciilifeform: eligible for the normal procedure aha
asciilifeform: not in absentia. gotta live there, like any kazakh or turkmen etc, for decade or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure they give out.
mircea_popescu: your parents were nationals weren't they ?
asciilifeform: lol would've years ago if they gave it out
mircea_popescu: ideally, gift the man a used laptop with pgp on it.
mircea_popescu: keeps the blood moving and besides you never know where the other pet is waiting for you.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with a little bit of travel.
asciilifeform: it'd rock if there were already a man on location. but instead it may have to be asciilifeform with very large flat suitcase .
asciilifeform: then i found a candidate
mircea_popescu: and no, i expect owning the hardware will be sufficient.
asciilifeform: ( and is mircea_popescu speaking of literally owning the bricks on which the cage stands ? or only the comp )
mircea_popescu: we can afford to ; and we must do so. the fact that "nobody" ever lived in any other arrangement than subletting from whoever they were sucking the cock of that month dun enter into it.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "a good one".
mircea_popescu: and as tempting as it may be TO THE NAIVE, this "oh, i found an actually workable one" is what we've been doing for years. there's people in the logs vouching for cherry servers, the FUCKTARDS who outlook.com their email and so following.
mircea_popescu: that layer MUST be pierced. that is also the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: i am not interested in discussing anything with the over-dcs indirection layer. that is the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: exact same here. if they don't know where they're located, they're not any part of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: line ends there.
asciilifeform: they claim to have several dc
asciilifeform: that was their reply