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(trilema) ben_vulpes: chinese moms control the purse strings
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cn reputation for 'tiger moms' among usasians
(trilema) ben_vulpes: infinite easy payments of everything you make
(trilema) ben_vulpes: your very own tiger mom
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well i was going to ask if you were in the boston cn wot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dunno that's too far outside of teh bubb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: what part of us is "here"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: old money moderately interesting if you're trying to marry into it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: new money is uniformly uninteresting
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh the sv/us conflation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also are talking fathers, husbands, sugar daddies or 'beta buxx'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: does 'mommy' typically hold the purse strings among yr people?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my internal popesculator says "what, wimminz are for ornamenting!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have utterly nfi how women put up with all of the ornamental crap
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in retrospect, the expensive part is having mismatched nail lengths
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bad joke, dun sweat it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in the loading screen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "Reticulating the splines..."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sim city 3k reference
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but do you reticulate the splines
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sounds like davout thinks "just trim your hands evenly, weirdo"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: compulsive nail tidying is 2x as expensive if you do both hands
(trilema) ben_vulpes: davout: no, simple rhythm stuff
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: what kinda timeframe are you biting your nails over?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mk all very sensible ty phf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still means one has to (run "foo" `())
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which brings me to: "when positional, and when keyword?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: (cmd &optional args input)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha and the isis men kept trying to fuck the goats :D
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a shit i'm going to have to rewatch this.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: holy shit i forgot picard was in that
(trilema) ben_vulpes: baliset i think
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "guitar hero"!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so now i play guitar poorly and frequently
(trilema) ben_vulpes: girl provided a guitar in short order
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some 1.5 years back i leapt off the couch and demanded a hand-held instrument to awaken dormant pathways
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i play at least 30 minutes 4 times a week
(trilema) ben_vulpes: guitarists who type a lot: do you always trim both hands?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still gotta fuckin quarantine the thing when it shows up.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: physicist, maybe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: actually whole thing is likely just a ploy to get pre-rooted boxen into republican ops
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no i'm going to plug my ears say neener and make it gabriel_laddel's problem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as you yourself pointed out
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and all the hours spent changing belts and capplugs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why in the not gentooing your own boxes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now if only i could find a graceful way to muffle compiler warnings for functions...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so he says, so he says.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: someone's going to have to fuel the meth habit for another month to pop this one
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well i'm just on tenterhooks waiting to learn what's so cryptworthy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pricing that sensitive, eh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, otaku gaijin shit aside a) do you have videos of this thing working or am i supposed to believe that it does because you now have a key you can use and b) how much for the whole circus, delivered
(trilema) ben_vulpes: neeee sooo desu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am epically confused, how else would it be pronounced
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: it's a pun on moon hotels
(trilema) ben_vulpes: are you describing yourself or people you want to respond to whatever that was asciilifeform quoted?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: how do i know you're not running the longest and lowest-dough scam with these masamune boxen?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clim clim clim
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "swiss cheese" then meaning something like "notions are touching each other for no reason other than that's how the air bubbles formed"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so that there are a set of operations that just happen to be implemented with "external programs" is no reason their errors should inherit from "external program" errors
(trilema) ben_vulpes: probably pointless complexity that could be snipped in favor of simple errors everywhere?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i imagined an inheritance chain looking like error->external-program-error->{bad-signature, no-gpg-data, ...}
(trilema) ben_vulpes: otherwise may as well nuke everything in the unrecoverable branch
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i read "handler-case destroys the call stack" and thought to myself "if i can avoid that, i probably should".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol stan having none of it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nfi if such exist
(trilema) ben_vulpes: brin mentioned a trick with endothermic lasers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that just means we need floating cities
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591550 << sbcl makes a style warning about &optional and &keys together. i lack the intuition to override the compiler here, does this weaken typechecking and is it worthwhile?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is what she said
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or "rad-hot"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unscreened solar flux or something?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mars is too hot?
(trilema) ben_vulpes reconsidering that masamoone box
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591575 << no need to stop if there's more to say
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591571 << o hey, you found the oldest and most heinous sins i didn't fix
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but i may catastrophically misunderstand
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591569 << i used http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/joF2F/?raw=true to convince myself that this is not true when writing the thing at first
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591550 << gotcha, it was an &rest before which may explain the contortions
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: thank you very much
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: wordpress, my friend. wordpress.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: must go async, ty to you both
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if you can get gpg to crash without exiting zero, i misunderstand much about how this world works
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that inspection is only performed on a bad exit code
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: naively, i expect gpg to exit 0 if the signature is good
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: ty, keep it coming if you don't mind, i must go async
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tried to dial back the programmer-imposed unnecessary complexity
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: answered
(trilema) ben_vulpes: strikingly similar to some other description of how perl grew "object oriented programming"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because "HOLY GRAIL: ONE LANG IN BROWSER AND SERVER"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is used to further drive down the cost of human cogs crapping out lines of code
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is called as the man says "node.js"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lul away
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what, you want /more/ radiation damage?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dunno, don't care
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: didn't polarbeard or whomever threaten us with a js v?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i did not choose the nih lifestyle, the nih lifestyle chose me"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: walked into that one.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aiui, my options are link or shell. is this incorrect?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is shelling in principle insane?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, mircea_popescu says "don't shell out to sha512sum"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am willing to do all sorts of stupid shit, buddy
(trilema) ben_vulpes throws a coffee mug at phf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not indefinitely postpone releasing this vpatch while i wait for stan to release an ada cryptor and link that from cl
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am trying to figure out how to handle widely-distributed versions of ironclad not working in the way i need them to work for my v to verify hashes on press
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pump the brakes there idea man
(trilema) ben_vulpes: might be more practical to make a genesis for the fixed version
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have not looked yet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: guy lays out in his "how ironclad came to be" that he doesn't really spend much time on it anymore.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the one time i want a package manager to have the most recent commits...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: not in whatever quicklisp builds though, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf linked the patch, he fixed it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, phf, asciilifeform, mod6: thoughts?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plan then is to grind this patch for my v out shelling out to sha512sum
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm also not really in a mood to make ironclad_genesis.vpatch today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more likely to work* on $box
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't want to say something like "ensure you have HEAD of the Ironclad library", i think it's more likely and more in line with waht mod6 is doing to shell out to sha512sum
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so here's what i'm thinking re: ironclad
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa trinque that js is snappy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't usually fuck with dependencies, but when i do i want my ide to fix all of the problems for me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > seamlessly integrates with cocoapods
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: even naive xcode shits whitespace all over the place
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kinda think "not working totally incidental" has not been a favor to its recipients.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wordpress of ecomm afaict
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (at least the magento folks have the decency to call their phpball a "site")
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyone ever see the hoops people jump through on large "magento" sites?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i tell ya tho, all that time you spend tweaking emacs is entirely useless." *navigates to precise spot of insanity* "well that's cool, but emacs is still a waste of time, i coulda found that on github in a few seconds"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "wait, how do you even find the source code for stuff?!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that'd be how i actually learned anything useful, finding a master jumping when told.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: growing beards, wearing plaid
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm also experimenting with alternative identities, imagining wearing a food truck, to see "how the other half lives"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ain't like alibaba and amz are going to stop shipping cheap petrocrap to the states
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have been considering buying a few beat up tow and box trucks and getting into the hauling of cars and storing of shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whole racket is utterly abhorrent.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i once sat in on a sales meeting where this security gentleman terrorized a poor nonprofit into wasting tens of thousands of dollars on snake oil
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i cannot stomach the security folks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'something else'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: praytell what 'others' are they?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "just want"ing an office with a keg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i wonder what metrics are being gamed here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am pretty sure this automated phone system just told me that there were 128 people "ahead of me in line", took down my number and then called me back immediately to put me on hold
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Framedragger: you too
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: answered
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dreppers and kochs and bears oh my
(trilema) ben_vulpes: amusingly, sha512sum shows drepper as an author on this particular system
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591017 << i intuited the same thing, but that it didn't sha512 properly until...last year? induces ye olde pucker
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "learning programming" is miserable and none of the things suggested "are programming"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whole first paragraph didn't register or what
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did mircea_popescu think the piece was actually supposed to be useful for teaching noobz to c0d3?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: collision detection etc?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591031 << eulora allows users to spawn n objects and move them around at arbitrary velocities? does physics sim with kinematics?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "just install a plugin!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i feel a great disturbance in the force, as though a thousand seo experts were suddenly rousted from sweet slumber
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !~google the problem of too much money
(trilema) ben_vulpes: at this rate the kids will actually stop using google, as it doesn't show porn, point them towards pirated content or you know actually work at all anymore
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in oooother lols, at least bing puts trilema on the first page of results when i search by article title
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it was qntra'd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well i can't seem to get it to and now we have
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have we done "sha512sum will not omit filenames from output" yet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thank you phf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-26#1590731 << i think maybe back away slowly from ironclad lest it blow up in my face then
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah, home sweet home
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!key trinque
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Framedragger: there is
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: kinda looks like it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ('it' == ironclad ?)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll investigate
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: perhaps someday
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well that'd be in stark contrast to the claim i remember
(trilema) ben_vulpes: chaste hardware, promiscuous hardware
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590190 << ironclad claims to have a "pure lisp" implementation of rsa but i have not confirmed this for myself
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is a small but worth-noting difference between "put yer patches in this here directory, your signatures in this other, and your pubkeys in this third".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in which i realize that to get code review in tmsr you have to paste it into irc one line at a time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the naive o(n^2) calculation is to say "there is a signature for this patch" and not giving a shit about which signature, provided it corresponds to a key in .wot .
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if it's fine, whatever
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look i'm pointing at a promisetronic bit of v and saying "hey look i think this is a bit floppy"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also that mothers know which baby is theirs and a signature can't tell me which patch it belongs to
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i was holding that one in abeyence for lols
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it costs in complexity, yes. could be argued that it is a very minimal cost, but i would still prefer to "pick any signature from .seals that verifies" instead of the by my read promisetronic "pick any signature whose filename contains the filename of the patch under verification"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suppose there's no practical way around the patches and signatures sharing a prefix.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've not yet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: any suggestions on where up the tree to nuke a branch and reduce complexity?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i was a bit surprised that sb-ext:run-program did not signal a condition when the program so ran exited with something other than zero.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i explicitly tested error code downstream of sb-ext. it's not that it "doesn't pass error codes" it's that error code is surfaced in the process struct that sb-ext:run-program returns
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didja read it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the situation's a good example of the tension between writing code that does one thing really specifically well, and fits-in-head, vs a larger program that handles eg conditions and the concomittant complexity
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so i'm writing some trivial conditions for when it does fail, which means handling eg missing gpg keys
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sb-ext, and rail at me for using an implementation-dependent sub program library if you will, does not seem to signal error conditions when external programs exit with nonzero code
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: only patch's fuzzy application, nothing more.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'tis the obvious characters.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fuzz*-killer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fwiw i have a full-killer sitting in my workdir, for release later
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what guarantees have i of this "should"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm happy to implement post-patch hash checks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hanbot: lol again?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "help" is the motherfucking dog whistle of the left
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6: subject of "making things 1000x more complex" i embarked on handling various conditions a v might encounter (missing pubkey, unsigned patch, mismatched hashes after a press...) and i daresay the volume of code must increase!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nono, the diqsux comment
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "in other word salad"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i only really know what one of the courses is, am content to let the chefs work their surprise magic
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