ben_vulpes: and then send a few messages to your counterparty and get confirmation that they decrypt, and ask for the same
lobbes: But otherwise, even I can agree: no real use for key servers as-a-thing. And, as I've found out, expiration-as-a-thing idem
asciilifeform: observe the mendacious idiocy of koch's signature code, where if sha1 hash collision is found , can forge sigs ~regardless of what sig algo hashing was set to~
asciilifeform: how you keep straight the contents of own household, is none of my business
trinque: what's this practicality argument? the paste is longer?
asciilifeform: hashes are voodoo, there is not a hash of demonstrable strength for the same reason there is not block cipher of same ( they are different sides of same medal, we had thread with elementary proof )
davout: furthermore, i disagree with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590896 in that the hash function doesn't have to be a "single" hash function, let user specify, or even put multiple fingerprints
asciilifeform: this echoes the ffa 'omfg slow' discussions.
asciilifeform: get used to doing ~the actual thing~ instead of 'convenient' simulacra.
davout: i do get the points about hashes being voodoo black boxes, but otoh 2048 hex chars is hardly practical
mircea_popescu: 512 chars as the case may be, but anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 05:27 asciilifeform: the only sane 'fingerprint' is the entire modulus+exponent.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 22:24 asciilifeform: likewise we had the fingerprint thread
davout: ok, not same one then, plox to link
asciilifeform: lemme dig out the thread
mircea_popescu: koch-gpg is an unreliable apparatus in the vein of random-shooting pistols etc.
mircea_popescu: at no point was this discussion about key identifiers. the fact that gpg reports "no expiration" FALSELY, as it reports all sorts of false or otherwise stupid, misleading etc non-facts is at issue
asciilifeform: this is The Right Thing
davout: pull by full key then!11 genius!
asciilifeform: and cannot be changed per the rfc.
asciilifeform: fwiw i never pushed my final gpg key to sks, and have nfi if it's there or not
lobbes: and yeah, I overlooked that I apparently had to also remove expiration on the sub -explicitly- (via gpg --edit-key). Even though it was showing the sub as 'expiration: none' after I had removed expiration on the pub way back when
lobbes: all good now, but I had set my primary pub to not expire I think a year ago. But of course, I neglected to push this updated key to either keyservers or to, for example, deedbot
lobbes: thanks to trinque to his patience with me while I figured all that out the hard way
lobbes: note to n00bs out there: even if you had set your key to NOT expire, remember to *self-sign* both your pub AND your sub (and make sure people have copies of this updated pubkey))
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 20:43 mircea_popescu: the name in question being, baldwin lushdrizzle.
mircea_popescu: i would propose this is because pornstars lack imagination not because the name lacks suggestiveness.
mircea_popescu: the name in question being, baldwin lushdrizzle.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, eulora player complains about game generated name. "it sounds like a pornstar!"
mircea_popescu: shinohai sadly, nobody does any schooling with the independent minded young'uns.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i find amusing the, eg, "suv" toyota recently waxed and parked in mud in front of a cheap brick wall. evidently, "vehemently opulent pork sausages".
mircea_popescu: exactly like the silicon valley variant in all points.
asciilifeform: then gotta wonder, wai only promise 80 megabuxorz worth of coin, why not 9000.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform registered on the 7th current ie yest
mircea_popescu: and in other similar lulz, http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-permanence/#comment-123499
ben_vulpes: the german, who is under discussion, came with mthreat
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the german?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:42 asciilifeform: what's the logic, gotta wonder, 'maybe they'll reconsider surrendering' ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734309 << the logic of numbers someone printed on a website is "when did they last summon the energy to edit the file"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:30 davout: so apparently the segwit2x derps finally yielded https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-November/000685.html
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734288 << less thick than the previous set, i guess.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:20 asciilifeform: 'Such an order by a US court is exceptional, Carroll says. “In general, our federal courts do not have the power to issue orders against people or entities that were not part of the lawsuit.” But he adds that US federal rules for civil procedures such as this do sometimes allow injunctions against persons who are in ‘active participation’ with an enjoined party. The current lawsuit is an example of that, he says.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734285 << and, evidently, anyone gives a shit what the usg does. because hurr.
asciilifeform: prolly for the reason davout explained. rerun of goxcoin.
davout: therefore, nonzero value
davout: people buying them do so in order to be able to withdraw from platforms immediately without waiting for the contract expiration on nov. 16th
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:42 asciilifeform: what's the logic, gotta wonder, 'maybe they'll reconsider surrendering' ?
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734309 <<< logic is that on some platform that offered "prefork coin splitting" the prefork-SW2X-coinz are needed to merge with the prefork-actual-bitcoin in order to have a prefork-full-bitcoin
asciilifeform: to the antimoon!!
trinque: graph of folks that didn't get the news over time
a111: 2017-10-06 <Framedragger> yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
asciilifeform: the brick has lost its wings.
ben_vulpes: "the most natural thing"
a111: 2017-04-01 <mthreat> ya the -800 is pretty new right
asciilifeform muchly enjoyed the last idjitphork
davout: so apparently the segwit2x derps finally yielded https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-November/000685.html
asciilifeform: 'Such an order by a US court is exceptional, Carroll says. “In general, our federal courts do not have the power to issue orders against people or entities that were not part of the lawsuit.” But he adds that US federal rules for civil procedures such as this do sometimes allow injunctions against persons who are in ‘active participation’ with an enjoined party. The current lawsuit is an example of that, he says.'
asciilifeform: S could request Internet services including web providers, search engines and domain-name registrars to stop linking or to block access to Sci-Hub and the various domains it is hosted under.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of 31333337 w4r3z and trials in absentia, https://archive.is/SCF7O >> 'The American Chemical Society (ACS) has won a lawsuit against the pirate research-paper website Sci-Hub ... ordered Sci-Hub's operators to pay the ACS US$4.8 million ... The judge also ordered that any party “in active concert or participation” with Sci-Hub should “cease facilitating” access to the repository. This means that the AC
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 01:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'fram, ursul polar' -- the ancient ЗИЛ-like fridge in 'museum of communist konsoomer' is a 'fram'
asciilifeform: davout: the distinction is lost on me
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 16:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, amazon co nao offering... i shit thee not, 'Not at home? Not a problem. As a Prime member, you can get packages securely delivered into your home without being there. Plus, grant access to the people you trust, like your family, friends, dog walker, or house cleaner—no more leaving a key under the mat.' << 'cloud'-controlled door lock.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734153 <<< it does beat "your house lock on the ethereum chain"
mircea_popescu: apparently he goes through the caudine forks to supply his kitchen with proper stuffs.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 16:51 mircea_popescu: the (very indian) chef of great local place actually came out of kitchen to see these two people who were eating all the stuff i rodered ; but couldn't summon the courage to more than bow from a distance and scurry off.
mircea_popescu: i can't recall now if this was the same chich some elements in the { ben_vulpes , davout } set might've fucked at some later point.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 16:50 trinque: then two women at table wail "oh he didn't shake our hands"
mircea_popescu: and she wanted a drink and the waiter came over to ask me and i said sure and she was all "why is he asking you ?"
mircea_popescu: one of the better lulz re this happened at c3, in ba. bucnha us at a large table at this dinner-and-tango places, someone brought along some blondy german chick, i dun recal who
trinque: ben_vulpes has commented on this cognitive dissonance among the feminist cunts in portland. will go to the stripclub to signal lack of patriarchy something something, but find prostitution abhorrent
trinque: wasn't my place; kicked myself out with one of their bottles
mircea_popescu: so kick them out.
trinque: it was times like these I realized what a sad place I lived in
mircea_popescu: they drink, watch porn, gangbang. it's a "fishing trip"
trinque: much to the shock of all
mircea_popescu: anyway, wouldn't usually be room fulla chicks, unless in some narrow cases. generally the way this works is usualyl 2, rarely 1 if the men are poor or 3 if the men are showoffs, whores and however many men can stand each other, usually 8 +- 3
asciilifeform: tho fwiw i have nfi whether they had chix in attendance , or sat like redditors in modern american dormitory, salivating . asciilifeform familiar with the period largely through myth & legend.
asciilifeform: and i suspect that the story dwells on the cassette because being in a room full of chix, who may nor may not be whoring, was generally not an indictable crime
mircea_popescu: i am (i guess?) proud to say that ro pron party included womenz to my knowledge. wtf is the point without, they jack off on the zacusci ?
asciilifeform: ask the arabs ? or whatever monkeys just recently discovered pr0n
mircea_popescu: this is some of the dumbest shit i ever heard. why not have women ?
mircea_popescu: you mean, folks over the age of 14 ?!
mircea_popescu: wait, is pron house brothel ?
asciilifeform: ( re why folx bought sov-made vcr, in preference to better-quality sony. answ : it had spring-powered cassette ejector, cops cut mains current when busting 'pr0n house' but could still get rid of the tape, in sov vcr )
mircea_popescu: very "conservative" and "tolerant" people, they call themselves. it's true, but the problem is the mud fits this definition.
mircea_popescu: on one of the trips, i had slut stop car on side of river while i took pics. fresh mud, inexperienced offroad driver, car got mudded.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov this is what culture ~is~ -- when ben_vulpes writes own vtron, or mircea_popescu makes own jazz riff on asciilifeform's 'chumps' article, or the various other.
mircea_popescu: can't meaningfully interact with a dog, let alone their wife, let alone you know, chtulhu from the depths of the abyss.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem of 2, and it is as deep as it gets. mentally isolated, solitary lonely lost dorks.
mircea_popescu: but i, and on multiple occasions, rewrote the work of LIVING AUTHORS. with their knowledge, that never amounted to more than a piddly comment on the trilema article in question.
mircea_popescu: i deliberately took to employing a classical renaissance procedure, of re-writing. that i rewrote a bunch of classical works and the whole set of "Specialists" did not find themselves under a life-or-death obligation to drop everything they were doing and pick up this is one thing
mircea_popescu: but trilema is many things, and among them a very pointed exercise in this discussion.
asciilifeform: ( and nao their rubbish is everywhere to this day )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much so, yes, and especially of this worst agraristan of all, "we're still wearing same clothes as roman colonists 2000 years ago and really speak the same language and fuck you"
asciilifeform: the english managed to solve 2 without making any dent in 1
mircea_popescu: there's two prongs that drive to "i understand empire france by reading balzac" : 1. that balzac writes and 2. that the whole fucking world buys his foilletons.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem isn't creators, that romania has. the problem is romania itself, as dumbly impermeable as fresh clay.
asciilifeform: iirc in mircea_popescu's piece just the other day was 'caragiale didn't need no stinking flag'
asciilifeform: folx living in what is today romania. but did they do it 'under flag' of romania ?
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense, romania was culturally powerful before the us was discovered, in numerous instantiations.
mircea_popescu: including you know, the "pls halp" telegram, the turning of that war, the strange situation of ww1, the taking of odessa and march on rome, it's a complicated century.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im trying to condense together a period starting in 1850.
mircea_popescu: not altogether an un-understandable or for that matter incorrect view. moreover, owing to romania's incredible literary sterility as manifested as a long term sustained inability to meaningfully write themselves...
asciilifeform: dunno, at least from my perch common d00d's pov was 'europistan-lite', 'less retarded than us because at least slightly farther in magic compass direction'
mircea_popescu: anyway. the russian secular view of romania is a sort of balanced chechenia-japan mix.
asciilifeform: ty for the mini-article mircea_popescu . it makes sense.
mircea_popescu: this is ~the whole story of soviet colonization of romania.
mircea_popescu: from there on they forged an alliance with petru groza, a sorta-maybe left (less so than today's xtian democrats for instance) with some popular appeal, pretended to have won the election on ~43% of the vote, then leaned on individual ministers to play along, then scoured the prisons for credible ministalins. picked gheorghe gheorghiu dej and that was mostly it, they withdrew.
mircea_popescu: so they cut a deal with mihai (an amusing episode in itself, mihai was very much krammer in that negotiation episode, "we offer free lifetime cappucinos and,,," "ILL TAKE IT!!!1", and made a govt with sanatescu.
mircea_popescu: as a result, the victorious revolutionaries found themselves in '45 in a dubious situation : they had absolutely no political legitimacy. outside of mihai, who was mentally incompetent then as now, but whose two aunts were very willing to sell out ; and sanatescu, who didn't think much of them (for cause), they had ~no one in bucharest.
mircea_popescu: the reason specifically they did that had nothing to do with hating the romanians or thinking they suck (which they didn't, on the contrary, germans even had german troops under romanian command) was that general sanatescu gave out the whole order of battle + everything else to the russians.
asciilifeform: to run out of fuel, for army of ~the~ petrostan of europe, is quite a feat
mircea_popescu: entirely ineptly led german war effort, very poorly supplied, resulted in an untenable military situation at the don's bend : romanian forces were out of ammunition, out of fuel, out of anything. the russians counterattacked the two sections held by romanians, and killed a quarter million people.
mircea_popescu: romania got meanwhile engaged on the eastern front by general antonescu, who was literally as he describes himself, a military man being sucked into a power vacuum and trying to do best could be done.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd carol was very much a redditard. he quit to pursue his whoring interests, leaving the congenitally retarded mihai "on the throne". this is through and through power vacuum. eventually he returned, and tried to be a sort of local mussolini, tho it didn't so much catch.
mircea_popescu: the switch happened because the original carol didn't have children. which happened because "marriage", dumbest fucking shit ever. but we digress.
mircea_popescu: romania had a great king, carol 1st. he was a scion of carol of hohenzollern and maria murat. romania also had three shitty kings : ferdinand, carol 2 and mihai, in decreasing order of shittytude -- the first one was like a librarian, inept but disciplined. these come off leopold and some portuguese infanta. MUCH worse material.
mircea_popescu: the "liberated"
asciilifeform: i even got to live in the (tail end) of one.
asciilifeform: better to train the cattle to open on own power.
asciilifeform: i suppose the breaking-doors thing was deemed arduous, traumatic, costly
mircea_popescu: apparently all they had to do is call it "prime"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall when post-war commies did the whole "you gotta take so and so people into "your" house because it's ours and we house people there" ? what gnashing of teeth, what anger it caused ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, amazon co nao offering... i shit thee not, 'Not at home? Not a problem. As a Prime member, you can get packages securely delivered into your home without being there. Plus, grant access to the people you trust, like your family, friends, dog walker, or house cleaner—no more leaving a key under the mat.' << 'cloud'-controlled door lock.
asciilifeform: ancient persia had an answer for the 'aerogel insulates' problem. they stuck wicks, of a sort, in the patient, and lit'em
asciilifeform: ( in particular re the effect of fat )
asciilifeform: they have detailed discussion
mircea_popescu: (protein is ~4, sweets ~7, alcohol~9... so if you take a serious alcohol-only meal prior maybe reach the .5mj)
mircea_popescu: cheap way to evaluate this is dietary calories (the conversion is based on ... heat capacity of water again). so basically 1 calorie is 4.2j and the caloric value of untrimmed carcass MAYBE 1 cal/gram. thereby... 100kgs = 420kj.
mircea_popescu: there;s a reason all bodies rot and no bodies catch fire.
mircea_popescu: at the outer margin half a mj ?
davout: and how much energy does the burning generate once water is gone?
mircea_popescu: thereby a lowball estimate of "heat to dispose of one" is probably in excess of 30MJ per capita, as opposed to the 1MJ originally estimated above.
mircea_popescu: this disregards any losses due to the aerogel part, which insulates, and also any further losses from "boiling is not enough", as well as passive loss of heat into your apparatus etc.
mircea_popescu: the cost of ~mere vaporization~ of the ~mere water~ in the "water soaked aerogel" composing a shithead is ~280kJ PER KILOGRAM.
mircea_popescu: to do the math properly :
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 14:47 BingoBoingo: Anyways, to make up for outgassing without floating, you'd just have to sink the bags deeper... if you really wanted to
mircea_popescu: it is within the context it was used!!!11
mircea_popescu: but that is the important part.
mircea_popescu: davout it's a log. you are looking at the wrong side of this.
mircea_popescu: the reason deep things seem to raise "slowly" is because friction, which increases faster than the buoyancy force does.
asciilifeform: depends on whether compressible object, neh
mircea_popescu: the deeper a mol of gas is, the greater the buoyant force experienced by the flexible container holding it.
mircea_popescu: conceivable, yes. but much more distant. gotta load and then unload, move on land, meh.
mircea_popescu: gotta take them from room temp to boiling.
asciilifeform: what's the 80 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you omit adding the heat to WARM water to vaporization ?
mircea_popescu: because why, thermodynamics is your friend and suddenly corpse isn't ~= water soaked aerogel ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, the per-kg energetic cost of incineration is > 1MJ. this means 100 tons cost you over 100 GJ, or in fuel terms about a ton of gasoline. you can't be spending 1% by mass ffs.
asciilifeform: and imho there's no particular reason there could not be 'market economy' in redditor disposal.
asciilifeform: cheap relatively to fueling the boat.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "cheap mains current". it's expensive universally.
asciilifeform: and naturally you do it somewhere with cheap mains current ( the bauxiteries are helpfully situated there already )
mircea_popescu: the correct move is to take the dreamers from the section of earth inhabited (land) to the section of land uninhabited (sea) with a minimum of dirt and contamination produced.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, bone meal's this thing used sparingly for tomatoes to prevent blossom end rot. Specialty stuff for picky plants. Otherwise it's just more salt.
asciilifeform: ( you still gotta dump the ash somewhere tho )
mircea_popescu: nah. the burning's resource-expensive.
asciilifeform: the bauxite thing begins to look like a winner imho
asciilifeform: grind bones for fertilizer. iirc there was a thread.
mircea_popescu: maybe ; though all the bones and shit....
mircea_popescu: the problem with a dead idiot is that it converts upon dying from a large piece of excrement into a large piece of actual excrement.
mircea_popescu: something the "planning experts" germans never throught of.
asciilifeform: speaking of them barges
mircea_popescu: yes, depth pressure will keep the plastic from popping ; but not from floating.
asciilifeform: precedent -- french did not even bother with bags
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be plainly stated that current idiot's expectation they'll be shot is about as ridiculous as 1940s jews'. who the fuck can be bothered.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, to make up for outgassing without floating, you'd just have to sink the bags deeper... if you really wanted to
mircea_popescu: "my great-grandfather was clipper on a redditard disposition ship, beotch!!11"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if they simply float back, not much point in the boat, eh. may as well then stack'em as pyramid, like chingis khan
shinohai: Post on reddit "Free cruise on the S.S. TMSR! For details go to #trilema on freenode!"
asciilifeform: pop yes , but they float 2-3 wks in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not these. see, they only pop in 6 to 36 months when they're well outgassed.
mircea_popescu: will replenish the cod off cape cod something fantastic, too!
mircea_popescu: well what, you're not taking them on a fucking cruise. coupla hundred knots offshore.
asciilifeform: tho i suppose it depends where in the sea, from where
mircea_popescu: can even have hello kitty or kek flag or whatever the fuck warhol can paint the dreamers require.
mircea_popescu: this method allows perfectly dehumanizing death, safe transportation, slow release, it's the proper continuation of lime pit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't want to feed the fishes too much at a time.
asciilifeform: ( anyone seen old films of elephant carcass rotting in the sun ? eventually explodes, spectacularly )
asciilifeform: they'll outgas, pop
shinohai: One could produce the plastic from corn, reducing costs perhaps and ensuring biodegradability.
mircea_popescu: eh, what's the rush.
mircea_popescu: sea dumping in plastic wrapping ensures they dissolve over time, sort-of like a slow release pill for the ocean.
mircea_popescu: build vacupack units, keep them fed with biomaterial (plastic, schmucks), dump the results at sea. a 100tdw ship should be able to carry 1mn of the shitheads at a time.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 03:37 mod6: Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Third Independence Day!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-06#1733223 << incidentally it occurs to me shinohai 's link is the definitive solution to the concentration camp problem. vacupacking the entire us population would probably cost < 1bn in materials.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 03:37 mod6: Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Third Independence Day!
BingoBoingo: One of the great shames is that now, when I plan on leaving th coop, the pretty girls seem to finally be sobering up
BingoBoingo: Excellent use of the oil
cruciform: yea, couldn't find him in the WoT
BingoBoingo: Failed at the "Keep coming back" part
BingoBoingo: Srsly, thankfully she likes making money more than being friends with the rest of the Brittneychain
a111: Logged on 2015-09-02 00:34 mircea_popescu: (in kbr's case, it's not that they're stupid, it's that they were raped. the classic "we provide indemnity so now you may not not break the law as we tell you to" trick. "key is in your pocket" in legal parlance)
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this is oddly reminescent of the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-02#1259369
BingoBoingo: Only the cuntcovers industry does!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahahaha what the fuck, anyone even supports the "inclusive" pantsuit aggenda ?
BingoBoingo: With the Harveywood scandal, pantsuit can't afford to not have all the entertainers in line.
BingoBoingo: And the motivation: ""Taylor's political silence appeared to be a rejection of her peers' support of the inclusive Democrat platform," Herning wrote. "Taylor's silence is not innocent, it is calculated. And if that is not true, she needs to state her beliefs out loud for the world... in America 2017, silence in the face of injustice means support for the oppressor.""
BingoBoingo: "Taylor's lyrics in "Look What You Made Me Do" seem to play to the same subtle, quiet white support of a racial hierarchy. Many on the alt-right see the song as part of a "re-awakening," in line with Trump's rise. At one point in the accompanying music video, Taylor lords over an army of models from a podium, akin to what Hitler had in Nazi Germany. The similarities are uncanny and unsettling."
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> BingoBoingo what lyrics might those be, 'we shall overcum'? << Nah shit like "Look what you made me do" and the word "Rise", which apparently blond white folks aren't allowed to use
mod6: Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Third Independence Day!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 13:39 asciilifeform: 'As physicists, radioastronomers, and electronics engineers, we were all struck by the possibility of doing independent broadcasts, if nothing else because that was our profession. My colleagues took part in broadcasts in Warsaw and other cities. Rooftop transmitters had low range. And they were easy for the security services to locate. We had to think of something else. Our colleague Andrzej Jeśmanowicz, son of the noted Toruń mat
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> charge tesla by running mercedes so the hipsters can hipster << lol
mircea_popescu: (entirely possible the ro commies read the book and never heard of nansen, but anyway)
mircea_popescu: actually managed the 2nd, iirc.
mircea_popescu: (nansen was a grandiosely misfortunate norwegian that eminently didn't get to the north pole TWICE, nearly died each time)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'fram, ursul polar' -- the ancient ЗИЛ-like fridge in 'museum of communist konsoomer' is a 'fram'
asciilifeform: the society of rotakus says ty
mircea_popescu: has fan. also, with the modern items... oil temp sits put at optimal throughout. well overcooled.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 23:16 mircea_popescu: and most of the weight of the 30kg generator that needs a fuckming crane to move comfortably is the fucking engine, which guess what, i already have.
BingoBoingo: In other noise from the orclands, ACLU and Taylor Swift are now fighting over pop music lyrics. In the evaluating who has more lawyer bucks stage atm.
asciilifeform: ( model it, say, as an ensemble of '9000' stations, where if any half dozen of which successfully read other end, you have a link )
asciilifeform: so imho it isn't necessarily the case that your station even has to give a shit re atmosphere.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i conjecture that if you smear the signal over entire sw band, day/night dun matter so much.
asciilifeform: on top of this station can see whether it gets answered or not.
mircea_popescu: basically a sort of DDR stick on the ground.
asciilifeform: it is however moar complicated, there are mechanics of day/night ( various layers, which reflect different bands , appear and disappear with the daylight ) and season.
mircea_popescu: ok, still measurable. have a km of cable coiled in between plastic foils, buried superficially, there's your mega array.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1733890 << somewhat counter-intuitively, best conditions are the times with ~most~ interference ( i.e. ionosphere propagation most favourable, so you get the rubbish from 10000km away )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 21:37 shinohai: https://www.antena3.ro/actualitate/social/o-organizatie-anarhista-prezenta-la-protestele-de-duminica-441087.html <<< Is my Romanian really that terrible, or are they calling a meme an "anarchist organization" ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733697 << to begin with, they're calling a few hundred people "a manifestation". ro press entirely divorced with any sort of recognizable reality for many years now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733673 << might lead the british "nuclear submarine"/crock of shit to discover it couldn't actually launch even if it wanted to.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 20:22 asciilifeform: as for atmospheric conditions, station has no way of knowing them