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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ministry of torrents?!
mircea_popescu: ;;ud iff
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IFF | i'm fucked foundation- I.F.F ...derived from the G.F.F, Grenade Free Foundation. " Ronny is officially part of the IFF" -The situation. by lovelybuttons45 August 06, ...
mircea_popescu: but yes. a ministry which curates torrents.
ben_vulpes: misfire.
mircea_popescu: "• When the British got tossed out of their American Colonies, they did all they could, using a combination of import preferences and British “soft power,” to bolster the plantation economy of the American South, helping set it up as a sort of anti-United States, and the eventual result was the American Civil War."
mircea_popescu: orlov is uniquely clueless huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18216 @ 0.00062103 = 11.3127 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: what is this thing where faux intellectuals look at the soup of symbols their destructured intellects float aimlessly through as a sort of primal matter to be cast into random shapes ?
mircea_popescu: it already has a shape.
mircea_popescu: it only appears as a soup because their head's barely functional.
mircea_popescu: "They took a Slavic, mostly Russian-speaking country and spent billions (that's with a “b”) of dollars corrupting its politics to make the Ukrainians hate the Russians."
mircea_popescu: right. obama did holdomor nao o.O
mircea_popescu: the Sh C O is a good point tho.
mircea_popescu: "And so, to make sure that their efforts to provoke a large-scale, hugely destructive, festering conflict between Britain and Europe fail, Europe would do well to set up an anti-Britain within Britain."
mircea_popescu: which is what scotland is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6282 @ 0.00064661 = 4.062 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: this game was played already. on the whole, merkel is actually much better than hillary rodham, and her spies work much better than the whole us, canada, uk and australia doolitle realm combined.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why the woman was so appaled when she discovered shit-for-brains niggerdongs was actually spying on her fucking phone. it's roughly the insolence of a poodle biting a bulldog.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: danke!
mircea_popescu: a wait, he actually identifies it. kay.
ascii_modem: half your population must reside abroad under fake identities << see chuck palahniuk's hilarious 'pygmy', a tale about precisely this
mircea_popescu: it's not something i came up with, by any means.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "HTTPS fairs poorly" fares
mircea_popescu: !up binaryatrocity
ascii_modem: BingoBoingo would like this one
mircea_popescu: who're you binaryatrocity ?
ascii_modem: cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades.
mircea_popescu: "The NSA's strength as they disclose here is not math or science advances that allow them to seemingly magically break strong encryption, but the size and scale of their operations along with their ability to recruit collaborators like Microsoft and subvert standards committees."
mircea_popescu: "the nsa has nothing."
BingoBoingo: <ascii_modem> cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades. << I've never really trusted Children
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: makes me think lizard are affiliated with cf. <<< you might also underestimate the retarded generation.
mircea_popescu: every "security" website's on bootstrap. why ? for the same reason they masturbate. "it's there"
ascii_modem: bootstrap ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Web design turd
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem that one thing making all the dumbass "we're a ceo" "companies" look alike.
ascii_modem: i thought that was the dope used therein
ascii_modem: or the indian rent-an-artists
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes:oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point? << yes. rejected because heavy.
BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Here's the sphincter from which bootstrap turd emerges http://getbootstrap.com/
assbot: Bootstrap · The world's most popular mobile-first and responsive front-end framework. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkgbuT )
mircea_popescu: i am ever so grateful that stupidity always and everywhere advertises itself specifically.
mircea_popescu: "mobile first" eh ?
mircea_popescu: it's like living in a magical world where all poisonous mushrooms are required by unyielding laws of thermodynamics to be bright orange and glow in the dark.
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: heavy not merely in the machine footprint sense, but conceptually. i like wm with ridiculously predictable behaviours and minimal state, like kalash
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the only good argument for why it's better to be an intellectual than a labourer. this unique priviledge.
ascii_modem: in not entirely unrelated news, i found that a vacuum cleaner i recently bought runs - i shit thee not - 'qnx'.
mircea_popescu: on mips ?
joecool: orly
ascii_modem: on hell knows what, haven't popped it yet
ascii_modem: 'botvac-80'
BingoBoingo: ;;google vax sucks
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-12-2014#962022 <<< this reminds me of an older discussion with decimation
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the story is linked directly under the line you referenced.
mircea_popescu: ;;google vladimir marchenko
gribble: Vladimir Marchenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Marchenko>; Marchenko biography: <http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Marchenko.html>; Vladimir Marchenko (@Vladimirsuccess) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/vladimirsuccess>
mircea_popescu: meh, not the ukrainian math guy.
assbot: Meet the 22 Most Important People Behind Bitcoin - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG), Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNQFb2 )
mircea_popescu: people you never heard about pushed by writers you never heard about on venues you never heard about. it's all very web2.0 an' sophisticated.
mircea_popescu: how finley ended up "behind bitcoin" is anyone's guess, but hey.
mircea_popescu: these guys are 100 to 1000x as productive as a "normal american", so the stuff they write is not necessarily comprehensible to ordinary mortals.
mircea_popescu: "Strateman is a bitcoin developer, best known for co-founding Intersango and the Python bitcoin implementation." no, actually strateman is best know for being one of the scammers involved in the bitcoinica fraud, and before that for being theidiot that emailed the entire list the emails of the entire list,
mircea_popescu: because he can python so well.
mircea_popescu: and yes, he still hangs around -dev and so forth, just like gmaxwell and the rest of the walking dead. because who knows, maybe someone forgets or something.
mircea_popescu: maybe it just goes away.
mircea_popescu: maybe if enough bazingas keep acting like it never happened then it really never happened.
mircea_popescu: ahaha waaait, diablo!
mircea_popescu: "22. Patrick McFarland (@Diablo-D3) McFarland is the creator of DiabloMiner, a Java GPU bitcoin miner that uses the OpenCL framework to quickly perform the hashing computations.
mircea_popescu: In addition, McFarland is a BitcoinTalk forum moderator."
mircea_popescu: the part where he wanted everyone to give him bitcoin so he gets 1mn of them together to build some sort of weirdo powerplant-dc combo and then got insanely butthurt when people kinda laughed omitted.
mircea_popescu: the part where this thing ended up traded with usagi and who knows what else in bitcointalks most outrageous example of retardation, doing all sorts of insane valuations that essentially resulting in his few investors being fleeced about 95% in the first year also omitted.
mircea_popescu: ahh this was a great walk in the past, thanks for asking fluff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose.
assbot: The Divine Cunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bklg6A )
mircea_popescu: that it still constitutes a majority of the cultural festooning of the colonies to this day... well... nobody forces the mt obe stupid.
mircea_popescu: outside of this, there's really nothing wrong with reusing other people's *working* material.
mircea_popescu: shakespeare did it.
mircea_popescu: decimation: well, certainly one cannot be enemies with usg or usg's agents << everyone in bitcoin is and can.
mircea_popescu: !up Fun1
Fun1: :)
mircea_popescu: who're you ?
mircea_popescu: hm doth that mean ddoser kid is back ?
mircea_popescu: neways, enough excitement for one day. laters!
decimation: !up smidge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7554 @ 0.00063361 = 4.7863 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43413 @ 0.00064829 = 28.1442 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8537 @ 0.00065221 = 5.5679 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up Fun
BingoBoingo: Hello Fun
Fun: hi
Fun: :)
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
Fun: who here traded fx options?
Fun: mainly to get some info about cme fx options :D or find a channel for it
BingoBoingo: Ah, might find someone who does that
Fun: I have found cme home page for them yet to understand pricing :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22061 @ 0.00063518 = 14.0127 BTC [-]
assbot: Russian Ruble Options (RUB/USD) Quotes - CME Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bw9PXc )
Fun: put 0.001465
Fun: so its 0.001465 per lot?
Fun: 1 lot is 2,500,500
Fun: so 0.001465 is unlikely to be price per lot
Fun: 2,500,000
BingoBoingo: These are very interesting questions. You may need to wait for someone to wake up.
Fun: np I am reading some help info on that site :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11363 @ 0.0006331 = 7.1939 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6405 @ 0.00060887 = 3.8998 BTC [-]
Fun: :)
Fun: such bot
Fun: oki time to do some shopping
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> Dramafount continues https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r9l72/a_message_from_gaw/ <<< looks like he's now deleted his post and ran away
assbot: A message from GAW : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwdgNz )
cazalla: or deleted his account and left it.. or something.. [deleted] anyway
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, at least he consistently builds the expectation that he's eventually going to delete fucking everything so people know to archive his bullshit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00081983 = 1.6397 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2889 @ 0.00082441 = 2.3817 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41784 @ 0.00060834 = 25.4189 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: lulzy shit from their forum "I was just making the point that engagement with the wider crypto community was of little value to GAW, and here Reddit goes and makes a prime example for me."
Fun: its useless to talk to such people
BingoBoingo: It really is. Reddit sucks, but for different reasons that they think.
Fun: I love Reddit
Fun: hehe
Fun: oki time to do more stuff
BingoBoingo: The whole voting/gamification thing really encourages maximum participation from people probably should be participating closer to their potential minimum which is problematic.
BingoBoingo: !up Fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00060728 = 14.0889 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00064618 = 21.8409 BTC [+] {4}
fluffypony: "gawxed" is my new favourite term
fluffypony: maybe "gowxed" so it combines the best of both scams
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4052.66238705 BTC. Current weight: 12,403.
cazalla: whilst out walking, i got to thinking - as the amount of bitcoin lost to theft decrease, at what point does it become a game of simply killing people who are known to be large holders resulting in no-one knowing the private key as to reduce the supply and increase the value of ones own holding occur?
assbot: Bitcoin – Finally, An Asset You Can Take With You « Mike's Lookout ... ( http://bit.ly/1F3In9p )
punkman: cazalla, why not torture them and take their coins?
cazalla: but that's not applicable in every scenario as far as i can tell, an example being someone who is geographically removed from their cold storage
cazalla: all this being hypothetical but i would guess it is easier to snipe someone in public than gain entrace to their fortress
punkman: yeah but you don't get any tangible/immediate benefit
punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up?
cazalla: but you can't know that for sure? if you turn around and strangle him, at least you know with good certainity his coins would never be moved and in a practical sense, are now lost
punkman: you can't know either way
jurov: same with assassination. you don't know if they haven't shared the keys
jurov: *escrowed
punkman: maybe his kid finds the key after 10 years in some old bookcase
cazalla: maybe you strangle the kid for good measure, i don't know
jurov: better kidnap the kid than this
cazalla: i'm not so sure.. if you kidnap satoshi's kid, maybe he pays the ransom but comes for you and yours once he has kid back.. can't know exactly how much he is holding or if he would part with all of them for his son
jurov: and if you kill satoshi nobody goes after you? lol
punkman: cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure.
[]bot: Bet placed: 10.92516805 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4092.35574335 BTC. Current weight: 12,396.
[]bot: Bet placed: 28.76818825 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4092.35574335 BTC. Current weight: 12,396.
cazalla: punkman, what does the hypothetical rich man need to buy bitcoin for? if rich, surely he has them already in this future
punkman: you could do this now, why future?
cazalla: well, goes back to my question regarding killing over theft, not something that is happening now afaik, but in the future?
punkman: cazalla: if your hypothetical killer has economical motives, I don't think it'd ever make sense not to try to steal/ransom.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1400 @ 0.00085071 = 1.191 BTC [+] {3}
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punkman: (raspberrypi alternatives and such)
assbot: MIPS® Creator CI20 | Imagination Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1rSrwR4 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4082 @ 0.00084343 = 3.4429 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00063636 = 9.1668 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6595 @ 0.00063793 = 4.2071 BTC [+]
assbot: /i0n1c I really did have to decrypt my HD flying through CDG in France. I really had nothing to hide, but that's not the point, is it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00062619 = 2.0977 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00062619 = 8.8124 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12977 @ 0.00062419 = 8.1001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00062738 = 6.9325 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: MPEG-2 license key - Raspberry Pi Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1wOa9wg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00060727 = 4.4938 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5114 @ 0.00061663 = 3.1534 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00083915 = 1.6783 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00061663 = 3.5148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.000805 = 1.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00061787 = 4.9121 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19328 @ 0.00064865 = 12.5371 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3222 @ 0.00065181 = 2.1001 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13166 @ 0.00061489 = 8.0956 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00060471 = 2.2072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00060497 = 1.1095 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00064878 = 1.1899 BTC [+]
cazalla: !up Vexual
cazalla: you're up late Vexual
Vexual: is it?
adlai: mp still on vacation, i see - replies to a week's worth of logs, then vanishes by the time i'm awake
adlai: market rekt eh
adlai: it's this funny thing, the more btc i have, the less i care how much they're worth
cazalla: it's gonna have to go to 0 or 5,000 for my cock to get hard, 250 isn't even foreplay
Vexual: i wonder if linda evangalista still gets 10k a day?
adlai: it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier
assbot: Linda Evangelista goes makeup-free from the balcony of her Sydney hotel  | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1rTauCe )
adlai: finally some good news! https://btc-e.com/news/216
assbot: BTC-E | News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMPLeK )
kakobrekla: once you ride 32->2 it cant get much worse
Vexual: 1000-300 is worse if you-re worried about dollars
adlai: depends how much you bought in. if you had the same amount of fiat-equivalent through each slide, 32→2 is much more painful
kakobrekla: every 10 dorra slip is about a year of living
kakobrekla: gone.
Vexual: huh?
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, kinda painful if viewed that way
kakobrekla: its just what my nav sez!
Vexual: ah
Vexual: ;;calc 10000*366 nevermind gribbles not here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7052 @ 0.00064878 = 4.5752 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00075032 = 2.251 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00064878 = 3.035 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1983 @ 0.0008999 = 1.7845 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25430 @ 0.00060796 = 15.4604 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.0009337 = 4.6685 BTC [-] {13}
kakobrekla: how long has gribble been gone?
cazalla: a bit over 4 hours ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.00060796 = 8.6282 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ping nanotube
kakobrekla: !up nanotube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 27211 @ 0.00005794 = 1.5766 BTC [+] {12}
kakobrekla: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: what is this scandal!
mircea_popescu: ther most incredible thing about that fun guy's link is that volume is 0 "?
mircea_popescu: wth instrument is that anyway.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell fun so you ever figure it out ?
mircea_popescu: oh for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: nanotube help us help you. what's gribble need ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ?
kakobrekla: times 1k.
mircea_popescu: right, louder. i guess not being a total redneck retard helps internet scamming.
mircea_popescu: cazalla why would people with large holdings not have inheritance set up ?
mircea_popescu: not like it's 2011 and we're just figuring this novel bitcoin thing out
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but would the son that inherits them be just as capable as the father who accumulated them?
cazalla: maybe i got a little bit too much oxygen while walking, i unno
mircea_popescu: i didn't think of sons tbh. i guess that's what inheritance means.
mircea_popescu: no, if i go there's going to be a bunch of ninja vamps suddenly very rich.
mircea_popescu: if i were the world i'd be pretty fucking careful.
mircea_popescu: punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up? << wouldn't have any appreciable short term effect.
thestringpuller: coins are already technically out of circulation
mircea_popescu: punkman: cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure. <<< this is unavoidable. no ransom of the future will be anything but bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the logistics of fiat paper make it useless for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: so brace yourselves, it's gonna be in teh media.
kakobrekla: yes more ransoms plox to keeps the price ups
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: stop giving #b-a criminal ideas
mircea_popescu: "i won't interrupt this sketch for a pound."
kakobrekla: srs i need meat to live.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla manmeat ?
kakobrekla: horse preferably.
cazalla: zomg thestringpuller, it was clearly stated it was a hypothetical!
thestringpuller: but it's totally a legit idea!
mircea_popescu: manhorsecock ?!
thestringpuller: Kidnap someone with money, deliver ransom note, "pay in bitcoin or ELSE." You don't even have to have a drop point.
thestringpuller: Once money is sent, release hostage. Move along.
thestringpuller: The mexican's will have a field day when they figure it out.
mircea_popescu: i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't decrypt jack if they sat on their head. what the fuck is this, the future or some shit /
kakobrekla: it may have to with the 'check if its real laptop or bombtop' thing
mircea_popescu: i dun care what words are coming out of their heads.
mircea_popescu: go ahead and check.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, go ahead and destroy it.
mircea_popescu: decryption does not happen. take it to nsa or whoever the fuck, they're smart righ ?
kakobrekla: she prolly had the option to leave it there
mircea_popescu: i guess my mistake here is to imagine the problems of poor people are relevant / the problems of people.
mircea_popescu: "you can have your laptop back for a pound."
mircea_popescu: "o gosh jolly, wouldn't you rather take a blowjob instead ?"
kakobrekla: you also carry and old ibm around no?
mircea_popescu: last time i flew i carried something like 38 encrypted disks.
mircea_popescu: just the disks, too. interestingly enough, nobody cared.
kakobrekla: did you have backups of those ?
mircea_popescu: also a pile of assorted laptops, batteries, various cards and processors
cazalla: damn, that's a lot of porn
mircea_popescu: i was half expecting the customs say something, but they didn't.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, for the sake of fairness and balance : i dun recall ever having been hassled in any airport for any reason, except guatemala.
mircea_popescu: who are complete idiots and that country is the absolute asshole of the world, you're better off visiting the new delhi old dump.
mircea_popescu: cazalla it wasn't all porn!
mircea_popescu: adlai: it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier <<< guy's been here what, twelve weeks ? already enlightened.
mircea_popescu: "(2) Can you provide evidence that GAW actually mined (a) any blocks, and (b) anything like the number you claimed you were mining?"
adlai is pretty clueless/restless to qualify for that
mircea_popescu: i lolled.
kakobrekla: 'industry innovator' it sez. damn right. of chumpatronics.
mircea_popescu: the history of this "industry" term is so funny.
mircea_popescu: you will notice it is only used by people who are pointedly not involved in any sort of industrial matter.
mircea_popescu: it got started by the virtual schmucks of hollywood trying to give themselves some word based weight
mircea_popescu: much like all the shitty studios of the 50s were called like "empire" and "megaultra" etc.
mircea_popescu: then, the porn people picked it up. it was a very tongue in cheek sort of thing, originally, like a mockery of hollywood.
mircea_popescu: but that generation soon got pushed out by the tpg braindamaged set, and what was once irony became cereal.
mircea_popescu: and from there, via warriorforum and the nerve centers of "i failed local college business school" braindamage... it's in every confidence scam on the webs.
mircea_popescu: (tpg = thumbnail preview gallery, at the time an innovation that consisted of putting eight, then six, then four then three pics in a row and filling pages with such rows. each pic ideally linked to the material (more pics of the same set). then that evolved into the skim, where some pics are linked to whatever junk being sold etc.)
adlai: we could replace the term with "commons", to remind the participants that by shitting in the reservoir, they sully their own soup too. eg, "garza is a prominent scammer in the bitcoin commons", "bitcoin is causing a power shift in the pornography commons", etc
mircea_popescu: except there's no commonality.
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1G33Fky )
adlai: how so? there's a market, and these "industries" each squabble over their potential market
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: iirc, it was designed by a woman. i won't psychiatrize on this point, but let's see what mircea makes of it! << i dun get it, so what if a woman designed it ?
mircea_popescu: adlai this is merely an artefact of your socialistoid perspective.
mircea_popescu: no, there isn't "a market".
mircea_popescu: we're not all one, all the same, all on the same plane. we don't interact with the same things.
adlai: hmm i'm not that socialist, i've probably miscommunicated
kakobrekla: paycoin is sitting at 3.87$ atm btw.
kakobrekla: not bad at all!
cazalla: kakobrekla, not possible!
cazalla: $20 floor
mircea_popescu: isn't this the thing going to be 20 tomorrow ?
adlai: wasn't it going to be 20 a few days ago?
mircea_popescu: adlai let me give you an example of what i mean. do you know who was the first person to speak german in israel after the war ?
adlai: no
mircea_popescu: marlene dietrich.
adlai: ok, how is this relevant?
mircea_popescu: now, look at it. admitting for the sake of thinking that the germans were entertainers, since you're admitting garza is in business
mircea_popescu: how exactly did the nazis sully the soup for dietrich ?
adlai: (sounds like a stretch, too, israel has/d plenty of german- and yiddish-speaking immigrants)
mircea_popescu: but they did not speak german anymore.
mircea_popescu: look it up, or ask old people that lived it.
adlai: well there's a huge prejudice against germany the nation and german the language, even among people my age who don't have any family who suffered in the holocaust - but they just inherited the prejudice because it's so pervasive
mircea_popescu: that's not related to the historical fact in question.
adlai is a little lost, also trying to extinguish fires in a running bot
kakobrekla curious about the fire
mircea_popescu: lol did it get sniped after all ?
assbot: Marlene Dietrich - Lili Marleen - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17bdPDH )
mircea_popescu: Vor der Kaserne, wor dem grossen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor...
mircea_popescu sings along
adlai: no, i'm just improving its abstractions to accomodate new exchanges' quirks; and i did this a little carelessly, crashing the one bot. so i'm trying to setup methods in the other bot so it updates to the new code cleanly
kakobrekla: which exchanges ?
cazalla: 4am and finally a yawn, night night..
adlai: runs on kraken and bitfinex already, now adding btce
adlai: chinese exchanges are probably next, although i'd like to do repay some technical debt first
mircea_popescu: "For most of America’s history, one of the most righteous anti-white supremacist tactics available was looting."
mircea_popescu: i gotta say lol...
adlai: at some point it'll be a good idea to make this thing usable to people who don't speak lisp, some sorta local webserver or rpc thingy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: who somehow lives off their tears <<< i do live off their tears.
mircea_popescu: the one thing i enjoy alongside redditard butttears of impotence is glaring bagging officer not comprehending why he has to bag my groceries.
mircea_popescu: adlai why that ?
mircea_popescu: undata: everybody in america thinks they were somehow robbed of making it big like everyone else did <<< the necessary byproduct of the entire "hero" thing graham & co promote. "work hard and we'll pay one in a million ten thousand times a salary, maybe you'll be him!"
mircea_popescu: just like slag goes with burning coal for power, buncha idiots thinking they were "robbed of making it big like everyone else" goes with "we don't pay you but maybe you get a promotion"
adlai: make it possible for people to use it without me having to set it up for them myself
mircea_popescu: the irony being that out of the scum in question, no other process can extract any use.
mircea_popescu: if they were merely offered a fair salary for their work they wouldn't take it because "it's not enough to live on". as if "living" is somehow fixed and god ordered that black guy in missouri must live better than black guy in senegal.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00063819 = 1.1487 BTC [+]
adlai: requiring my magic touch is a sort of "job security", but i'd rather get paid to write new code than configure old apps
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic of how it would be useful "in general".
adlai: you mean why anybody would want to use scalpl?
mircea_popescu: no, but why would everybody want to use it.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to you know, one single person (presumably you).
adlai: not everybody, there are plenty of other places to put money; but it's reached the stage where more people are interested in using this than i'd like to hand-hold through the -entire- setup. (this is a very low number of people, i'm not good at customer support...)
mircea_popescu: on the 0 1 infinity scale i readily see why 1 rather than 0, i just don't grok why infinity rather than one.
adlai: there are also two ways of interpreting this question - "why would other people want to use it", or "why would adlai want more people to use it"
adlai: to maximize the amount of wealth profiting from stabilizing bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the logical approach to that is to increase your bankroll, not to spread among a bunch of idiots.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason capitalism historically flows towards enriching nodes, not elevating the graph.
adlai: who says i'm not doing both at once?
mircea_popescu: i don't per se care what yu do, it's a moral discussion.
mircea_popescu: "what should be done."
adlai: right. if i get a well-capitalized account profiting from this, what's morally wrong with that?
adlai: you could point out that i've fallen short of pure greed by not accepting investment, paying dividends, and retaining some fee as a personal profit
mircea_popescu: nothing at all. (note that i use "moral" properly, not in the bastardized form common among the plethora of would-be stalins without the ballsack.)
mircea_popescu: let's put it in more general terms. you're proposing to lower the bar of what constitutes a qualified investor.
mircea_popescu: you propose this as an obvious good.
mircea_popescu: i dun see the obviousness and hence the inquiry.
adlai: i'm not proposing to lower it to the ground, scalpl works quite badly on small accounts, and even with the usability changes i'm imagining, it'll be easy to footgun without either my help or some level of understanding on behalf of the shooter
mircea_popescu: the degree wasn't in question.
adlai: well, i do think that an oligarchy is better than a monarchy, if that's what the question is
kakobrekla: what is a small account ? 0.1 ? 1? 10? 100 ?
mircea_popescu: adlai why ?
mircea_popescu: (and generally, moral thought proceeds quite strictly : 1) is this a good thing or a bad thing ; 2) how much of it ? there's no overalpping these stages)
adlai: resilience in the face of population bottlenecks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck )
assbot: Population bottleneck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpo9BX )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 1 because it's the smallest amount of number.
adlai: kakobrekla: i'd say you want at least 100x the exchange's minimum order size
mircea_popescu: adlai that made no sense.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: they go out, same as in usg-sponsored 'colour revolutions', because 'there's action tonight' << quite. which is why it's so lulzy to watch.
mircea_popescu: generally, people tend to hurl as insults/bombs/damage to others what they're most afraid of themselves. there's a very good reason color revolutions exist, and it has nothing to do with ukraine or gaddafi.
mircea_popescu: errything to do with what every senator knows and fears at home.
kakobrekla: i havent used any exchange with api for over a year
adlai: my thinking is along the lines of a society/economy not having all its eggs in one basket. it doesn't have to have one egg per basket, with daily redistributions; a "fit economy still has strong inequality, but it's not skewed all the way to either side of the spectrum
mircea_popescu: adlai ok but i dunno how this relates to discussion
adlai: and if morality is part of the question... deep down, i'm one of those software freedom zealots. not quite to the point of GPLing everything i write, but yes to the point of sharing my work.
mircea_popescu: ie it still doesn't answer my oreiginal curiosiuty
mircea_popescu: this has little to do with the software in question mind.
adlai: why not? i've written something useful, i'm trying to make it more useful, and i _believe_ (ie, an opinion more grounded in emotion than evidence) that the right thing to do is share this
adlai: what's missing from answering your original question?
mircea_popescu: all of it.
mircea_popescu: why do you propose it as a good.
mircea_popescu: i can readily construct a scenario where it harms, if it helps.
adlai: please do, i'm typing up another answer attempt meanwhile
mircea_popescu: okay. suppose currently robot has use cost X, expressed in some translated value of he sophistication/time/etc needed to use it.
mircea_popescu: suppose you move it to X-e
mircea_popescu: this increases the pool of users from U to U+x. the average sophistication of x is < than the average of U. in fact it's common even if we won;t rely on it that the peak of x is under the lowest of U.
mircea_popescu: this will increase failures from F to F+y, where y/F > x/U > e/X
mircea_popescu: this is the definition of harm.
adlai: we know nothing about failure rates from outside U, or failure rates of the original users after more have joined
mircea_popescu: in which case at most we can't say whether it's a good or bad idea, and shouldn't bother with it at all ?
adlai: the way scalpl works currently, you can use it badly and lose money, just like with any investment; and that is likely to never change
mircea_popescu: yes, but by the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU get involved, you know they'll mostly lose.
assbot: homicide da union - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xprst3 )
mircea_popescu: if they didn't mostly lose, they wouldn't be "homicide da union", they'd be the cupcakes and crumpets core.
adlai: the latecomers will likely lose wherever they go, i'm less focused on making it easier for them, more on making it easier for users #3-10
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
mircea_popescu: good point.
thestringpuller: easy sunday all
thestringpuller: how is the cult today?
adlai: reaching the end of an argument. quick, say something socialist!
mircea_popescu: you just missed the spanish inquisition.
adlai: :D
thestringpuller: uh, i believe all people should be given everything equally
mircea_popescu: i just gave the girls some penis.
mircea_popescu: kneel an' say aah ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu should donate 10% of the MPOE profits to charity
thestringpuller: so that homeless people can have free access to drugs
mircea_popescu: that's not socialist, that's pharma oligopolist!
mircea_popescu: o wait, you meant psychoactives ?
adlai: mircea_popescu: you may be overestimating the maturity of my project... it's existed outside my head, as running code, for under 9 months; and has only turned profitable during the latter half
thestringpuller: adlai sorry, seems I'd have to dig through some socialist propaganda to say something socialist. its surprisingly hard to come up with something
mircea_popescu: adlai i was just discussing teh principle involved.
adlai: sure
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller now you see how the cult is doing.
mircea_popescu: was a funny exercise in "so i shouldn't make emacs easier to use for the people already using it because this will lower the barrier to entry for idiots and ruin the party ? what are you, insane ?"
mircea_popescu: pretty good.
thestringpuller: VIM 4 LYFE
adlai: notepad++!!!!
mircea_popescu: (i dun really emacs either)
thestringpuller: Random: oh wow this was napex thing right:
adlai: emacs is useful for a few things, terrible for most others
mircea_popescu: i guess vi + bash is a sort of retarded man's emacs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ?
mircea_popescu: seeing how the exclusive was right here in teh logs
thestringpuller: I think cazalla was waiting for more news, and maybe we all forgot?
mircea_popescu: i guess.
adlai: would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami?
mircea_popescu: was easy pickings for an article anyway
mircea_popescu: i imagine so.
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems to have a hardon for the guy.
adlai: irl coverage is less easy pickings
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: Hi, I was starting to miss this place << preach it sistar!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just because its old news doesn't mean there still isn't exclusive content to pull from
adlai should check the schedule, make sure he'll be free for the juicy bits
thestringpuller: not as novel tho
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: that keeps me from opening it myself, but doesn’t keep me off twitter haha << http://scripts.irssi.org/ might halp
assbot: Irssi Scripts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpuxcp )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: OMG MP vacation has been one of the best things to happen to MPOE price... aside from saving OpenBSD. << my lyf ;/
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: nano is apparently on a vacation of his own
thestringpuller: nanotube you got some 'splainin to do
thestringpuller: the price collapse is amazing, reminds me of October 2012
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
adlai: holy fuck the mop is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thestringpuller: ^- i partially think this is kako's way to condition us to stop using the world amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
adlai: but some things, like the mop, are truly amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://russian.rt.com/article/67122 << another current mega-lol. ua fission plant installs 'westinghouse' fuel rods, begins to leak. << there's just no way ukraine doesn't end up with another nuclear blast.
assbot: На Запорожской АЭС произошла утечка радиации - уровень превышает норму ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpw2rf )
mircea_popescu: they're out of power, desperate enough.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, the exchanges quoting under 300 ? lol. k.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ? << Pretty much except redone by seasoned rural telecom bezzel turdmeisters. 3 Years experience or some shit. OgNasty down to the fan club.
mircea_popescu: !up MetatronOne
mircea_popescu: for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: "I learned a valuable lesson here though. Don’t trust .gitignores and gems like Firago for keeping your data safe,"
mircea_popescu: yeah, don't trust ror.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Why does my brother pretend he has not the slightest bit of racism in him yet when he moves to the city chooses a Bosnian neighborhood over a black neighborhood? <<< i can see a few reasons right off.
mircea_popescu: such as, the womenz. maybe he ran into a few adolescent bosniac sluts on his recon visit
Naphex: gribble down?
Naphex: ;/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? << In a couple shorter bits. Waiting for another point of lulz inflection to do much more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5723 @ 0.0006447 = 3.6896 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ?
assbot: WarOfLife (S.WOL), October 2014 Statement (closing) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpCUEV )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2110 @ 0.00086513 = 1.8254 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: TomServo: I'm surprised ol' Brucey Bruce isn't parroting the "OMG NK!!1" line. << "Tellingly, the FBI's press release says that the bureau's conclusion is only based "in part" on these clues. This leaves open the possibility that the government has classified evidence that North Korea is behind the attack. The NSA has been trying to eavesdrop on North Korea's government communications since the Korean War, and it's rea
mircea_popescu: sonable to assume that its analysts are in pretty deep. The agency might have intelligence on the planning process for the hack. It might, say, have phone calls discussing the project, weekly PowerPoint status reports, or even Kim Jong Un's sign-off on the plan."
mircea_popescu: he;s doing as much of that as he possibly can.
mircea_popescu: just... has to cover his bets, because he might be old but he suspects he'll outlive teh muppet show.
mircea_popescu: i especially loved the "it might have". yeah, and i might have fucked obama in the ass.
mircea_popescu: why not ? maybe he's a gimp slaveboi. he certainly looks it. heck, maybe i put it all on weekly powerpoints.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno... < prolly seeing different things in the pic
mircea_popescu: i see a bipedal dog.
kakobrekla: aha yes its very abstract.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gossip from the glider club: guys in construction (yachts etc) are talking about 5% cogs increases every month for the past 3 << translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he probably even struggles in opposition of bathing as much as the usual dog.
assbot: The hits keep coming. Now /CNN is quoting a parody Twitter account without any kind of fact checking whatsoever. http://t.co/67dFklxBEL
kakobrekla: but is he a slave?
kakobrekla: and if he is, to whom?
mircea_popescu: well i dunno whose shit he's guarding there
kakobrekla: anyway ill let ascii argue that one out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00064586 = 10.9473 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
kakobrekla: my inbox agrees
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: cazalla: Gordhan is a smart man, but they're doing exactly as expected - they're just going to copy what everyone else is doing << your definition of smartness is very tolerant.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla only 4565 cookies ?
kakobrekla: 0 negative cookies
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: a street criminal can be smart, not the same as being visionary or being clever :)
mircea_popescu: granted.
kakobrekla: but the active bets is kinda low, down to 41 also thanks to my 'genius' mandatory zeroconf
mircea_popescu: yeah, but the wanna-be soam in comments is up lol
kakobrekla: soam?
kakobrekla: foam?
kakobrekla: scam?
mircea_popescu: spam lol
kakobrekla: fuck im so irrogant
mircea_popescu: "we have a billion bitcoins, can't afford advertising, here's a link you have to c/p"
kakobrekla: idk why nobody made a bot yet
kakobrekla: it cant be.
mircea_popescu: o but it is.
mircea_popescu: punkman: http://www.pokerstars.gr/en/poker/room/support/pwt-faq/ <- mega lol <<< heh, as if anyone will EVER pay taxed gambling.
assbot: Default Heading Text DCR ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxLXm4 )
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: thestringpuller: what if we created a #bitcoin-assets pokerstars home game club and had a way that every account generated was tied to a gribble-authed account, and use it as both a gaming platform as well as a record-keeping ledger for off-blockchain track of wins and losses <<< check it out kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's an idea we were going to develop but didn't actually get started on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.00062857 = 8.9207 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it's actually a very good idea, and i'd still like to see it done.
kakobrekla: any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead. adding another barrier to the mix i do not need to continue this sentence.
kakobrekla: btc right now is pretty much : you are an exchange or dead or dead exchange
mircea_popescu: only because ineptly run.
assbot: Should Protesters Lose Their Gun Rights? | Free Keene ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxO5dv )
mircea_popescu: "rights = just like freedom, except when you might need them or wish to use them. then they're like a cock up your ass."
adlai: random bit of info, some node claiming to be BTCXchange still running: receive version message: /BTCXchange.ro Mapper:0.01/: version 60000, blocks=230000, peer=85.9.53.226:38151
Naphex: it is still running
adlai hasn't been following the story closely
Naphex: everything there is still running
Naphex: lol
adlai: blocks=230000 is a little worrying >_>
Naphex: thats a dnsseed
Naphex: it scans nodes
Naphex: pings them and stuff and keeps em in a list
Naphex: dosn't sync anything, and is just some fake checkpoint reported. it is only interested in the version message
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Naphex: but the bitcoin node is running fine from what i can see https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/85.9.53.226-8333/
assbot: 85.9.53.226:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxP7q1 )
adlai out to dinner
adlai: but thanks for the explanation
Naphex: np
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10625 @ 0.00065162 = 6.9235 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I know the the responsible for the conference, and his integrity is unquestionable."
mircea_popescu: reddit is ever lulzy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, who is this "integrity unquesitonable" guy we forget to mention ?
mircea_popescu: generally that point should be made by the man's name, not by idle adulation by (other) anon entities.
kakobrekla: best scammers will walk free
mircea_popescu: decimation: I would like to put in a good word for KnC miner. << so it actually works out to them booking a nominal loss because of spot movement ?
mircea_popescu: lol ook, buterin, ver and ... wtf is wrong with gallippi ?
mircea_popescu: go there hang out with like... all the scammers, all the have-beens and all teh posers ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. moe levin. never heard of him.
mircea_popescu: (i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo)
mircea_popescu: cazalla : maybe ask the man where he did his 6 months' study ?
mircea_popescu: "We think that a Q&A period, moderated by someone you choose, will provide the proper forum for people to make their voices heard. We think that this layout, instead of a speech, is the appropriate forum."
mircea_popescu: having "their voices heard" ? seriously ?
mircea_popescu: lol. mmmmkay.
mircea_popescu: what are bitcoin people supposed to be, a sort of ferguson negroes, "hey, nothing will happen because reasons, but here, have this tupperware container to scream in."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: cazalla: "I helped run plenty of conferences." << no, he has a point. that's exactly how that racket works.
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: it's funny how Gavin is all "I want bitcoin to compete with Visa/Mastercard", when anyone in Payment Processing knows those systems are seriously nigga rigged as is. << nobody expects gavin to say something sensible anymore than they'd expect ronald mcdonald to.
mircea_popescu: he's the guy in the satoshi costume.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00062468 = 13.8054 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9290 @ 0.00062414 = 5.7983 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere
BingoBoingo: And yet gasoline is now under $2 a gallon here.
mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
kakobrekla: (just opened)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: but parents who found out that their kids had been disciplined at school often disciplined the kid again at home << pretty much yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062683 = 3.761 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. <<< term only came of age last year.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00062312 = 11.6523 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: woot all caught up
mircea_popescu: well done mod6 an ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: an jurov
mircea_popescu: an who else is doing stuffs there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37404 @ 0.00061065 = 22.8408 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0006014 = 7.0965 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: thanks!
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965022 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965023 << afaik moe levin is just the conference organizer, no connection to bitpay beyond accepting their sponsorship
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:11; mircea_popescu: anyway. moe levin. never heard of him.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:44; mircea_popescu: (i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo)
adlai is FoaFs with moe, might be introduced at the conference
adlai: if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids
adlai: bitfinex seeking out new lows!
BingoBoingo: adlai> bitfinex seeking out new lows! << Wouldn't be surprised at all of this Bitfinex scouting new lows is them dying.
kakobrekla: !up ascii_modem
adlai: btc swaps are at an all time high, even if we go lower afterwards, somebody is bound to get hurt by the inevitable bounces on the way
kakobrekla: !up joecool
ascii_modem: danke kakobrekla
assbot: Bitfinex Swaps BTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUMfni )
adlai: ascii_modem: btw lispm still on the block?
joecool: kakobrekla: altgribble doesn't work with assbot?
ascii_modem: asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ? <<< nein. but from usa. customized though.
ascii_modem: lispm on the block , yes
ascii_modem: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose. <<< i spent years working with folks some of whom fit the pattern: 'yes i got phd for washing glassware for advisor, who let me crib, who in turn cribbed from dr xxxxx himself, of the academy of turdiences'
ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist.
ascii_modem: and are pathetic specimens of animal
ascii_modem: http://libv.livejournal.com <<< tremendously important ( and tremendously wrongheaded ) piece. points to the folly of continuing to see the world in the enemy's framing.
assbot: LIBV Intentionally Breaks Videodrivers ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUOsz8 )
ascii_modem: fiat law apparatus is not an authority to be respected, but a military enemy that wants to render you for your body fat and deserves the same respect that dog owes dogcatcher, or jew - the nazi polizei
ascii_modem: i'll rub it in for the thick:
kakobrekla: joecool who runs alt gribble
joecool: kakobrekla: rbecker
ascii_modem: if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.
ascii_modem: it will -all- be 'terrorism' soon enough.
ascii_modem: punkman: mpeg2 license key <<< afaik -all- extant arm cpu include sub-cores running mystery turds, such as that one.
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot rbecker
kakobrekla: doesnt work!
kakobrekla: i dont trust him.
ascii_modem: i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs. <<< again we can apply above principle. everybody complaining about the disk arse search - stop imagining that you have 'rights' and start apprehending the fact that you are being pursued by maniacs who will eventually like to turn you into a lampshade.
joecool: kakobrekla: altgribble isn't in here
joecool: it's in #bitcoin-otc currently handling auth there
ascii_modem: arguments have never stood between any one at all becoming a lampshade.
joecool: worked there
ascii_modem: or having disk searched
ben_vulpes: i don't get it either, ascii_modem. who takes drugs into planes in plainly labled "DRUGS" canisters?
cazalla: gee, now i'm dreaming about garza, God help me
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] well done mod6 an ben_vulpes << pshaw i'm entirely tangent; mod6 does all the heavy lifting.
ben_vulpes: i just read cpp and overflow mod6's buffer with bad ideas
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [] lispm on the block , yes << what does this mean?
ascii_modem: reply to adlai
ben_vulpes: ah i see
adlai: [auction] block
adlai: ie, for sale
ascii_modem: i happen to own a lispm. and it is (still) for sale.
adlai: kakobrekla pls
adlai: !up ascii_modem
adlai: ah nice
ben_vulpes: yes gents i understand all of this
ben_vulpes: i too, read logs.
kakobrekla: leave me alone.
adlai: :+o
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cazalla: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? <<< BingoBoingo covered it in December, http://qntra.net/2014/12/btcxchange-ro-dispute-heats-up/
assbot: btcXchange.ro Dispute Heats Up | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yplN7H )
cazalla: if memory serves, BingoBoingo seemed to think either side could be bullshitting
decimation: ascii_modem: did some reading about the metaobject protocol
decimation: it seems that the main author has gone on to champion 'aspect oriented programming'
adlai: ... as a trivial extension when your language has a MOP
adlai: kinda like championing OO, where appropriate, as a special case of closures, assuming your language supports the latter
decimation: yeah from what I gather, AOP is kind of a dumbed-down MOP
decimation: basically it's just monkey-patching classes with bits of code that can be maintained in one spot
cazalla: adlai: would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami? <<< i wouldn't ask of you to waste your time doing that, it is already established he is a liar and a bad one at that, no point covering a debate of which lies can be wormed out of
decimation: adlai: there seems to be a long history of people coming up with good ideas in lisp, and then spending the rest of their lives trying to get other languages to support small pieces of said idea
cazalla: adlai: if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids <<< if you can remember their name that long but doubt it
adlai: january's lemons have taken the form of btcmiami tickets, flights included. shouldn't be too big a request from the benefactor to spend a few hours snooping around the shillcoin booth/talks
decimation: adlai: if you plan on making recordings, beware that florida has a two-party consent law: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/florida-recording-law << it's a felony to make recordings of a conversation without both parties consenting
assbot: Florida Recording Law | Digital Media Law Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypo9DB )
adlai: ok, i'll make sure to plug my ears before entering the conference grounds
adlai: but thanks for the heads up ):
adlai: er that was supposed to be a :)
decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats)
adlai: "Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law." <- pretty sure that covers anything
adlai: that happens at a conference
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
decimation: adlai: us law has a funny way of being misinterpreted by those to whom it would advantage
decimation: for instance, what do you think "public meeting" means?
adlai: moe levin (conference organizer) has already gone on the public record saying that talks and Q&A sessions will be recorded and recordings subsequently uploaded, further eroding whatever "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be claimed
decimation: that's probably reasonable, but other conversations would not be covered under the same exception
adlai: good thing that the exception covers all conversations where you could be overheard, rather than just "public meetings"
decimation: yes, but my point is that if a policeman is so inclined, he may throw you in jail, charge you, and you get to make these kinds of arguments to a local prosecutor and then maybe a judge
decimation: ben_vulpes: do you fly gliders? that's a neat hobby
ben_vulpes: not i but a good friend.
decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous
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adlai: the easy way to prevent that is just not to record anything myself
adlai: whether the idea of recording the talk is sufficiently incepted in the public's mind that several random audience members are likely to have recorded - is another matter
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ascii_modem: florida law re: recording scamz0rz << see earlier thread re: correct attitude to law.
adlai: !s correct attitude law from:ascii
assbot: 0 results for 'correct attitude law from:ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=correct+attitude+law+from%3Aascii
ascii_modem: i am quite certain that, e.g., iran, has even more interesting laws. with even stiffer punishments for disobedience. should we all hire iranian lawyers, avoid ending up on heads-off ?
ascii_modem: adlai: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#965080 and below.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965084 << what's the problem with open source?
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 22:52:28; ascii_modem: if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.
ascii_modem: not with open source
adlai goes searching for context
ascii_modem: but with respecting tyrants who propose to say that writing some code is permissible , other kinds - not
ascii_modem: e.g. 'software patent'
ascii_modem: linked article was similar to a turd that made the rounds back when w2k source leake
ascii_modem: 'don't read it, you'll be tainted for life and can never be a legit open source dev again'
decimation: ascii_modem: in the earlier case of recording, my answer is: yes, you probably ought to have an iranian lawyer (or a plan to get one) if you find yourself physically in iran
ascii_modem: better to get a plane ticket out.
ascii_modem: or boat, or rocket, whatever
decimation: agreed, but to shift to your point about code - where?
ascii_modem: one step ahead of pursuers.
ascii_modem: that is the only 'where'.
ascii_modem: i'll point out that it is not hard at all to crap out however much 'illegal1111!' code you want, anywhere on planet, at no risk to your health
ascii_modem: !s if you think, don't write
assbot: 2 results for 'if you think, don't write' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+think%2C+don%27t+write
adlai: my favorite nonsense was an internal usg email during the snowden leaks, advising employees not to read the leaked document on unclassified workstations lacking necessary clearance to view the doc
ascii_modem: this predates snowden
ascii_modem: dates to at least 'wikileaks'
decimation: w.r.t. to the link you posted about the guy warning not to reverse engineer drivers, his point about the pointlessness of the endeavor seems well-founded
assbot: Schneier on Security: DHS Puts its Head in the Sand ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdGtzg )
ascii_modem: decimation: he was entirely wrong about the -why- pointless
thestringpuller: ascii from da past
decimation: house of cards microcode shitware?
decimation: adlai: you can see how it would be much more difficult for usg to actually coordinate which secrets are 'released' and which ones are 'secret'
decimation: it's easier to pretend.
ascii_modem: the audience can't do jack shit to bring sane silicon into being. but it can actively and maximally destructively piss on 'intellectual property' and related usg crown privilege.
thestringpuller: cazalla: you still around?
cazalla: thestringpuller, yup, what's up
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 17:47:10; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.
thestringpuller: pokemon: i must catch them all
cazalla: thestringpuller, cbf this morning, didn't get to bed till 4am and i'm still a bit tired
thestringpuller: nanotube still on vacation?
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdHuaO )
adlai: btce still leading the light brigade
ascii_modem: drivers << presently the open source folks have two choices - open mouth and wait for rain, in the sahara; or cut enemy throat and drink up.
decimation: third choice: make own hardware using fpgas (yes, I remember past fpga threads)
ascii_modem: make own planet too, while at it
kakobrekla: ill throw some dirt towards that.
ascii_modem: !s sdram controller
assbot: 5 results for 'sdram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sdram+controller
kakobrekla: was talking about the planet.
ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
ascii_modem: with them, it is quite the same as using 'evil' modern silicon
thestringpuller: Chairman Popescu.
Apocalyptic: !up mircea_popescu
Apocalyptic: still no gribble eh
thestringpuller: yea no one knows where he is
mircea_popescu: heya & thanks
ben_vulpes: dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?
mircea_popescu: i see guy's still idling here tho
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we're on it : anyone wish to write a proper ircd ?
mircea_popescu: ima make a spec for it.
ben_vulpes: and a bouncer, while we're at it.
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ben_vulpes: znc is broken flaky hellspawn.
mircea_popescu: yeah. i guess this calls for a whole new category on trilema.
mircea_popescu: ima do it once done with reports, announcements and other first of month stuff
ben_vulpes: "shit mp wants built"
mircea_popescu: the thing where i put it in a pastedbin dun work, im sick of looking up the url for the deedbot one.
mircea_popescu: cazalla qntra wordcounts ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: those have been up since the 1st: http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/
ben_vulpes: is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lordship list, sure
mircea_popescu: oh ty thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?
mircea_popescu: ah yes my bad.
mircea_popescu: teh... knighthood ?
ben_vulpes: the peerage?
mircea_popescu: most honorable order of teh bath ?
assbot: Orden del Baño - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9WMa )
mircea_popescu: because we translate proper nouns now.
ben_vulpes: ooh most noble order of the garter
ben_vulpes: garter snakes hueeee
mircea_popescu: lol works
ben_vulpes: no its horrible
mircea_popescu: "the cult" ?
ben_vulpes: "the hoplites"?
mircea_popescu: then the verb for joining could be "cultured"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, ask tat, he's the naming fiend.
mircea_popescu: or mebbe hanbot
mircea_popescu: wow check out mike_c dominate the qntra wordcounts in dec.
Apocalyptic: you're probably looking at the first bytes of the fingerprint, not his wordcount heh
Apocalyptic: happened to me too
mircea_popescu: oh oh lol
thestringpuller: where has TaT been?
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist. << not what i meant. what i meant was the construct's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "plagiarism" anymore than there's burning bushes or actual sides of christmeat.
thestringpuller: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: whaty's this altgribble thing ?
kakobrekla: someone runs a gribble clone
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mircea_popescu: but how is this possible ?
mircea_popescu: i mean... if you rate with it, it updates the db ?
kakobrekla: i guess you cant rate
Apocalyptic: you can't rate
kakobrekla: my guess is better than sexyginger
Apocalyptic: dat kako
mircea_popescu: decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats) <<< or young women having casual sex.
mircea_popescu: so basically it doesn't do anything.
mircea_popescu: why'd i trust it's "registered" claims.
mircea_popescu: decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous << from what i hear it's actually safer than flying planes.
ben_vulpes: !up Phraust
mircea_popescu: "moms who persist in using big, boxy PC computers and small-town police departments."
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots these people.
mircea_popescu: my computer is "big, boxy PC"
mircea_popescu: and it shits on his useless applepad or whatever the fuck it is.
mircea_popescu: how goes Phoebus
mircea_popescu: i mean Phraust
mircea_popescu: "So what can we all do to protect ourselves? Keep our computers backed up on an independent drive or by using a cloud backup service like Carbonite, take those software update and “patch” alerts seriously"
mircea_popescu: mno. but anyway.
Phraust: not bad. livin' the dream :D
Phraust: finally got time to irc again. what's been crackin'?
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to the new ransomware economy, where hackers have a reputation to consider." "welcome to the post-modern world, where 'criminals' are more reliable than governments, and certainly more useful."
mircea_popescu: Phraust not much really. same old bs, restated in all seriousness by a new generation of turnips.
Phraust nods.
Phraust: THings just ain't the same for gangsters.
mircea_popescu: just as an idle exercise, imagine how that article'd have sounded if the criminals were some usg agency, stealing the woman's drive and not giving it back.
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall a bunch of these, and they're all fucking respectful.
mircea_popescu: time for a tone change, mainstream media.
kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE
ben_vulpes: !up mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: thank you
ben_vulpes: how've you been?
PinkPosixPXE: oh man.. I've been helping my friend who runs a VPS provider, gigebox.com, migrate everything to a new host node
PinkPosixPXE: all his containers
mircea_popescu: o hey, PinkPosixPXE
PinkPosixPXE: and wrote an ipv6_ddos mitigations cript
PinkPosixPXE: script
PinkPosixPXE: for him
ben_vulpes: that's a shitload of work yow
mircea_popescu: is it any good ?
PinkPosixPXE: ovh works for our ipv4 stuff
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2014 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aulvf9 )
ben_vulpes: i've been digging through https://twitter.com/ipxcore/ (ghetto vps) for uptime gems
assbot: IPXcore (@ipxcore) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AulBU2 )
PinkPosixPXE: but ipv6 is more difficult, so this does a count on the packets, and if it exceeds the limit, it finds the ipv6 address, and vps in question, and then disables those addresses on the vps so they can't be targetted
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah i see. qntra is so successful i got lost among the articles :)
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE doesn't sound like much mitigation.
PinkPosixPXE: I'm going to update it to set a timer to re enable them after a certain period of time and do some updates to it, but it's been keeping things up for the last few weeks
PinkPosixPXE: well when the packet limit is breached, usually the vps will be suspended
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i was first! as they say, some people are so far behind the race that they actually believe they are leading :P
PinkPosixPXE: automatically
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?
PinkPosixPXE: this ensure the vps won't be suspended, and just removes the target ipv6 ips
PinkPosixPXE: until the attack stops
PinkPosixPXE: it's a better solution for customers than 'container susspended again'
PinkPosixPXE: suspended*
PinkPosixPXE: sorry, been migrating and snapshotting containers to this new server all day
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about write the script so that you keep track of foreign hosts, and once packet limit is reached for a vps all foreign hosts that aren't on the list of hosts it connected in the past 24 hours get banned across the entire network ?
PinkPosixPXE: the attacks are all .cap'd and then the ip's are all reported to ovh to be added to ddos mitigation
mircea_popescu: "oh, i see you're trying to connect to a vps that a) you've not connected before and b) is being attacked ? come back next week."
PinkPosixPXE: and a null route is put in place as well
PinkPosixPXE: but often times they are spoofed source ip's
PinkPosixPXE: so that can sometimes be ineffective long term
mircea_popescu: why is ovh allowing spoofs inside ?
mircea_popescu: nm. ovh.
PinkPosixPXE: ipv6 ddos attacks are just a pain all around
PinkPosixPXE: it's a different beast
PinkPosixPXE: this runs on the host node
PinkPosixPXE: this way people can still get on their nodes, and are just informed that we've removed a few ipv6 addresses that were being attacked.. instead of their node being suspended and shut off, and they are then freaking out
PinkPosixPXE: and before long the addresses come back up when the attack dies down
PinkPosixPXE: anywho
PinkPosixPXE: it is a band-aid until we can figure something better out
PinkPosixPXE: but it saved our butts quite a bit over the last few weeks
PinkPosixPXE: and this isn't exactly how I'd setup vps hosting
PinkPosixPXE: I have 3 vps' at a very large (Free) discount with this provider
PinkPosixPXE: and root on the host node
PinkPosixPXE: and made a migration script for us to migrate to the new node, helped him pick it out
PinkPosixPXE: I'm learning how sloppy some of it is
PinkPosixPXE: I will probably eventually buy a dedi that's a bit better than the our new one
PinkPosixPXE: and split off my own vps services
ben_vulpes: here's to dedis
PinkPosixPXE: on my own host
PinkPosixPXE: but that's down the road a month at least
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I was thinking about that
PinkPosixPXE: and I plan to offer BTC as payment
PinkPosixPXE: as well as DDOS mitigation, and of course ipv6
PinkPosixPXE: now that I've helped run, and in some ways rescue this vps provider
ben_vulpes: if you can afford to denominate in btc...
ben_vulpes: gamechanger right there.
PinkPosixPXE: and get the migrations streamlined to the new host
PinkPosixPXE: I can see where I can put together a much better product
kakobrekla: see what i told you, wife material right there.
PinkPosixPXE: yea, after I wrote the vps migrate script for him today
ben_vulpes: !s wife material
assbot: 1 results for 'wife material' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wife+material
PinkPosixPXE: after we migrated a few
PinkPosixPXE: and fixed about 10 issues he ran into within 5 minutes
PinkPosixPXE: but mostly after the script
PinkPosixPXE: he said he was going to force me to marry him one day
PinkPosixPXE: and that it may be by gunpoint
ben_vulpes: good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh
PinkPosixPXE: yep haha
PinkPosixPXE: I'm probably a better shot too :x
BingoBoingo: That helps.
PinkPosixPXE: ben_vulpes: I might need you (or some of you guys) as resources regarding I ensure I setup my bitcoin merchanting properly
PinkPosixPXE: I've done some research
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PinkPosixPXE: and know how to add it
ben_vulpes: are you planning to convert directly to fiat?
kakobrekla: he means if you gonna be a bitch!
PinkPosixPXE: I will probably have a recurring tool that converst a portion of it to fiat
PinkPosixPXE: converts*
PinkPosixPXE: I wouldn't make it all fiat
PinkPosixPXE: I'm not bailing on bitcoin
PinkPosixPXE: recent drops don't scare me
kakobrekla: its ok hon you can be honest here. :)
PinkPosixPXE: in fact, I've been buying more as it's gone down
PinkPosixPXE: it's the holidays..
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control
ben_vulpes: use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations
ben_vulpes: there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts
PinkPosixPXE: ok, that makes sense.. so basically I can keep the bitcoin price in flux with what the current price is
PinkPosixPXE: BTC match up to current USD
ben_vulpes: right
PinkPosixPXE: or whatever currency
ben_vulpes: that's your quoting logic
PinkPosixPXE: yea, that shouldn't be too bad, sweet
ben_vulpes: totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin
PinkPosixPXE: yea, I've noticed it where I shop using bitcoin quite a bit
ben_vulpes: what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.
ben_vulpes: you could, ofc.
ben_vulpes: there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...
ben_vulpes: but don't.
PinkPosixPXE: ok, good to know
PinkPosixPXE: yea, these were some of the things I was curious about
ben_vulpes: don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain
ben_vulpes: use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr
ben_vulpes: and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind
kakobrekla: wait whut is this no separate address bsns
PinkPosixPXE: oh yea, api -> webapp -> blochain updates.. too slow
PinkPosixPXE: that makes sense
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman
ben_vulpes: you have a thing that works, congrats.
kakobrekla: i dont understand y no unique address per order?
ben_vulpes: why bother?
PinkPosixPXE: I wonder if I should buy a bitcoin now
PinkPosixPXE: or wait for it to drop a bit more
kakobrekla: wait for 2$.
kakobrekla: myea i guess
PinkPosixPXE: I might buy at 250.. as long as it keeps trending back up
PinkPosixPXE: we'll see
PinkPosixPXE: glad I didn't buy when it dropped to 310 last week
PinkPosixPXE: and waited a bit
ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz
kakobrekla: anyway my suggestion: give unique address for each palyment which you monitor for certain period of time. if you use bit32 you can generate new addresses on the fly on the server without private key or else pregenerate them and throw them in db
kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE
kakobrekla: bip32
PinkPosixPXE: thanks
PinkPosixPXE: is assbot not talking to altgribble yet?
kakobrekla: its not a 'yet' thing.
BingoBoingo: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE aha i see.
kakobrekla: you dont need to voice him he is opped
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about i buy you some dedis and you admin them and run a host for btc business ?
kakobrekla: !down mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: you would put the initial investment in the dedi's? teh competitively priced ones might be in the arena of $300-400/mo to rent depending upon how competitive I want my services to be, and I will probably be buying something through voxility
PinkPosixPXE: I want 10gbps, but I can offer low end as well
PinkPosixPXE: but I want high end and ddos mitigation, etc. available as well
PinkPosixPXE: It would depend
PinkPosixPXE: technically, I can finance it on my own, but I guess I'm still in the process of working out the details, and I guess regardless, I just need to make sure all the time and work I put into admining everything is getting me money and setting me up for some independence career wise
ben_vulpes: run 'em in parallel.
ben_vulpes: finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.
ben_vulpes is off for a bit
PinkPosixPXE: right now, I've spent so much time and energy through the holidays helping this provider/friend, and while I'll probably get an endless supply of vps resources from him at a prorated "nothing" .. I need to setup a business and direction for the future of my own thing, or at least make money when I output time/work
PinkPosixPXE: I could potentially do that
PinkPosixPXE: since I'd be setting things up identically
PinkPosixPXE: but would have to see
PinkPosixPXE: the time commit is a big consideratio
PinkPosixPXE: with so many projects, I have to make sure I can get everything taken care of
PinkPosixPXE: but that's a great idea, and an offer I'd definitely be interested in potentially pursuing, and discussing further with you mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: I just need to do a little math on 'units of time/energ/projects' and potential independence from my day job at some point so I have more time
PinkPosixPXE: but it's defiitely gaining momentum, and with time, it'll happen
PinkPosixPXE: I want to make sur eI can offer both offshore and us hosting as well
PinkPosixPXE: so that's another thing I'll be working on
PinkPosixPXE: anywho.. I better get back to helping them with these migrations
PinkPosixPXE: 30 minute break, and they are already pinging for my help
kakobrekla: good luck
PinkPosixPXE: thank you! It was good to chat with you guys again and check in.. I may disappear a bit later when we move my vps because we have to do an offline migration, but I'll always return, and be around :)
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE cool.
mircea_popescu: !up mapop
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE if it's like 3-400 how about getting a pair.
thestringpuller: @up PinkPosixPXE
thestringpuller: !up PinkPosixPXE
cazalla: anyone have a bitstamp account an able to confirm if they sent out an email 30m ago?
thestringpuller: not that i see
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
ascii_modem: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: yw ascii_modem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23837 @ 0.0006432 = 15.332 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_modem: write a proper ircd <<< what exactly is this ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem ima spec it in a few
mircea_popescu: and holy shit, don't you just love this brave new world with such policemen in it.
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: knc miner refund << yeah in BTC terms they took about %70 haircut, but I think they do all their accounting in fiat (they convert bitcoin to fiat upon reception)
Apocalyptic: Bitstamp possibly fucked up, http://i.imgur.com/8aWS157.jpg
ascii_modem: that qntra link: see earlier thread re: how to think of law.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check out the cans! string popped!
ascii_modem: that is what law now is. to be thought of in the same light as ebola.
kakobrekla: how the fuck they lose private keys?
ascii_modem: 'lose'
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 1.05 B (33%) on Yes, 2.09 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 98`291 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJbLeE )
mircea_popescu: turns out prediction markets predict markets.
decimation: what kind of 'responsible' exchange keeps keys anywhere near a terminal connected to the internet?
kakobrekla: this chan only makes me more depressed. great job kako.
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> how the fuck they lose private keys? // ask them
mircea_popescu: wait, how ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << lol a peak wanes, another just begun
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdAB9Y )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And these peaks are closer than the last
BingoBoingo: !up Fun
Fun: :)
Fun: hi folks
kakobrekla: this better be fun
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo indeed.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla tell teh group your troubles, kako
kakobrekla: well ignorance is bliss what more is there.
cazalla: scoopbot, fetch
Fun: I just read the Greek government debt is at 175 percent right now, runs up to €330 billion. And a lot of debt nowadays is ensured in the derivative markets :)
Fun: eheheh
cazalla: scoopbot fetch
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: they were going to finally boot the greeks neh ?
assbot: Bitstamp Alleged To Have Requested Users Stop Making Deposits | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdBpvv )
Fun: lol they cant
kakobrekla: wai alleged ?
Fun: who is going to cover derivatives
Fun: however if greeks exit thats great, euro and dollar may go down alot lol
Fun: esp euro :)
mircea_popescu: euro is already down.
kakobrekla: kako is already short
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he likes the word. it bestows journalismity.
punkman: bring back the drachma!
decimation: Fun: euro and dollar go 'down' relative to what? bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: punkman !
Fun: lol it depends on which banks hold the potato :D
Fun: to other currencies
mircea_popescu: can i get more detail out of you than "it's being worked on"!
kakobrekla: decimation nothing goes down relative to bitcoin
punkman: it's been 6 weeks, fuck me
punkman: well obviously not worked on enough
mircea_popescu: yes but...
mircea_popescu: what is the problem, exactly ?
punkman: pauperism, holidays, lyf
decimation: kakobrekla: all the way to $2!
kakobrekla: i would add to the article "self proclaimed 'World's leading Bitcoin exchange'"
mircea_popescu: am i going "this has to be reimplemented for the third time" ?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Qntra has comments form. Also no need to do math to post comment
mircea_popescu: it's not really math if it has letters in it.
kakobrekla: i thought i get paid if you include those 6 words, or at least 2, since 4 are the quote.
Fun: its bizzare that greek debt is financed atleast was financed in past via some usa banks lol
Fun: who in turn seems to packed and sold it as derivatives
Fun: afterward EU said bad bad boys and said they are going to finance greece directly but perhaps thats just words
decimation: kakobrekla: BingoBoingo: according to bitcoin charts bitstamp is #3 in volume right now
kakobrekla: i said self proclaimed - check their frontpage.
ascii_modem: 'big boxy pc' <<< wtf
decimation: ascii_modem: maybe she meant your lisp machine?
mircea_popescu: i think it's a he, of sorts.
cazalla: yeah, we know scoopbot
Fun: any exchange can get vol by cycling btc on their boobs
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well... cazalla's article. You know you could do one if you want on their old fee rape bot from back in the day.
Fun: :D
Fun: books lol
mircea_popescu: im bashing that.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust fun
mircea_popescu: oh fucking hell
Fun: u still use gribble? :D
mircea_popescu: obviously not.
decimation: ;;gribbles_retarded_cousin
mircea_popescu: and jack shit i can do about it, too, because notary's dead and so on and so fucking forth.
Fun: who here knows a bit about forex?
mircea_popescu: everybody.
ascii_modem: bitstamp... confirm... <<< do we even know of a published pubkey for them
Fun: well how can I buy CME globex fx options?
Fun: via some broker?
mircea_popescu: ideally.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem nope.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16676 @ 0.00063023 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: they don't use these big, blocky pc things.
mircea_popescu: they use sleek string.
ascii_modem: sleek walrus guts.
decimation: Fun: I guess you can call up someone in chicago and ask?
mircea_popescu: punkman im not one iota closer to a sensible situaiton here.
mircea_popescu: would you please not go all pankake ?
punkman: well I'm still here
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2J8B8W4.txt )
Fun: perhaps :)
mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't have to be in chicago. everyone does it, including all the web providers, optionsxpress, schwab, you name it
cazalla: ascii_modem, they signed they last audit using the bitcoin address 1EFJUipfCHFmmTFkF9vvjFKdBf3VbfvarM but no gpg afaik
punkman: anyone want to setup and admin the supybot/electrum box to speed things up?
thestringpuller: https://keybase.io/coinbaseguy << coinbase apparently has a GPG key published
mircea_popescu: punkman that's good. so what is the problem, exactly, what's the plan to resolve it, usefull stuff like that, pls.
assbot: Euro FX Option (American) (EUR/USD) Quotes - CME Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdDQya )
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not on their site ? maybe it's really /coinbasederp instead ?
Fun: the price for option is in those high low columns or where?
ascii_modem: unless that key is welded to their traditional corporate charter, or at least proclaimed amidst fanfare by an officer - why believe it at all ?
mircea_popescu: Fun in the last, normally.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem right.
kakobrekla: but they have https
punkman: mircea_popescu: problem is I'm reimplementing website in PHP and also changing bot to send shit to PHP reliably, and it's all a bit tangled up at the moment
thestringpuller: ascii_modem mircea_popescu: its just surprising that none of these "businesses" have pub-keys published for verification purposes.
mircea_popescu: they do a typically fiat thing whereby they act like gpg is sorta like you know, this soft toy thing. they get an address like it were a social media profile.
mircea_popescu: easily repudiable, worth nothing at all.
decimation: Fun: if you just wanna trade euro/usd you there are a few etfs: http://etf.stock-encyclopedia.com/category/currency-etfs.html
Apocalyptic: eventually kako can ask them in meatspace
mircea_popescu: punkman and you're doing this suddenly and without consultation while it's also down unnaounced because why ?
Fun: decimation: I want to buy options direct
Fun: for max profit :D
mircea_popescu: Fun not for plebs.
Fun: irrelevant :D
mircea_popescu: but you can use a broker, by now they cater even to people with 10k or something.
Fun: seems so
thestringpuller: easily repudiable << is this why twitter has to verify celebrities?
decimation: Fun: on the web brokerages mircea suggests they certainly sell options on those etfs
decimation: probably much more liquid than holding something special
Fun: decimation: I see
Fun: ty
mircea_popescu: decimation pretty sure they actually let you trade on cme.
ascii_modem: 'verify'
decimation: yeah I'm gonna check out my brokerage and see
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller doubt it.
mircea_popescu: !up wserd
thestringpuller: !up wserd
thestringpuller: !up ascii_modem
Fun: so last is 0.0281 means 0.0281 usd for lot? or what :D
mircea_popescu: normally, yes.
cazalla: well, here are alleged headers http://dpaste.com/3WBH04T
assbot: dpaste: 3WBH04T ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdETOH )
thestringpuller: tl;dr there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly.
Fun: 1 lot is 125,000 seems so
Fun: seems pretty cheap @ option price :)
thestringpuller: cazalla: when will people stop using HTML encoded email
Fun: I am suprised that large russian corporations did not hedge their loans fx risks, or maybe they did :D
punkman: mircea_popescu: it was DDoS'd/hacked, I got some PHP hosting as solution for DDoS. Existing version can be backup withing 24 hours if someone wants to administer it/protect from ddos/etc. Nobody wants to do that, so I haz to write PHP.
mircea_popescu: punkman where'd you ask ?
ascii_modem: there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. << 'brainwave' by poul anderson.
punkman: should be in logs
mircea_popescu: what's current version run again ? python was it ?
punkman: yep
mircea_popescu: !s from:punkman administer
assbot: 0 results for 'from:punkman administer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Apunkman+administer
decimation: yeah my brokerage allows direct trading of futures if you have 'approval' and a non-trival account value
ascii_modem: php hosting ?!
Fun: decimation: futures and options?
cazalla: thestringpuller, but i like pretty newsletters
mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.
Apocalyptic: why rewrite from python to PHP ? seems like a poor downgrade in everything
mircea_popescu: for one thing, ddos'd/hacked is an unlikely combo. which was it ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i dunno wtf he's doing, im sitting here debugging a lengthy string of nonsense resulted from engineer deciding arbitrarily to selfmanage mid process.
mircea_popescu: about as pleasant a thing as fifty years worth of dilbert rolled up in one fat joint.
ascii_modem: fellas, all these headaches - ircd/fleanode, notarybot, etc. - one pill. why not one of you carry out my erasurecode-router scheme.
mircea_popescu: except the other side.
Apocalyptic: I can see that
thestringpuller: dilbert is kinda funny tho...
ascii_modem: as riotously funny as butugychag.
Fun: decimation: so how much 1 euro fx lot cost ? option to buy or sell it at agreed price
decimation: !up Fun
decimation: Fun: are you asking what the bid/ask spread is on the spot? or do you want an option with a ex date and strike price?
BingoBoingo: !up Birdman
cazalla: well, bitstamp confirmed unless site has been hacked too
BingoBoingo: Well did BitStamp lose a can or the string?
Fun: decimation: option with ex date and strike price
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