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cazalla: <thestringpuller> slow news weekend <<< yup, i think the article as above are probably good for weekends
mircea_popescu: im trying to remember who the fuck cody is again
mircea_popescu: o, the 3d print your gun guy, innit ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18183 @ 0.00077764 = 14.1398 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: yeah, he had some real derpage going on, yet another dood thought himself too good for the wot, then his shit went nowhere, then he failed to go "o hey, you know what my problem is ? i fucked up on the wot score! let me fix that".
mircea_popescu: im sure it's something else. "the community sold out", "the aliens hate me", plenty on the stupidlist.
cazalla: 3d gun got australian pollies in a tizzy, some were floating the idea of a licence for 3d printers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18183 @ 0.00077681 = 14.1247 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 2 weeks 4 hours ago
punkman: such scam
punkman: doesn't even trade on Nov 1
punkman: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1174.4 USD = 3.59132748234 BTC
cazalla: sorry but that is hilarious
punkman: yeah I guess, a little lost on me
TheNewDeal: punkman, I think that gold bet was actually structured intelligently
punkman: TheNewDeal: I'd like it more if it said "yes if gold closes at $1200 or more on friday"
TheNewDeal: anyone could have checked the date, right?
punkman: sure
TheNewDeal: I'm not sure if it was an accident, or on purpose. However, if it were on purpose, I applaud the author for a well crafted bet
TheNewDeal: because it read so similar to a lot of those other bets, but like you said, it was basically "gold closes above 1200"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "the aliens hate me" << this is a valid excuse when it comes to Klingons no?
assbot: extempore/deedbundler · GitHub
thestringpuller: punkman: who can upload deeds? is there an "approved users" list?
TheNewDeal: thought anyone could?
TheNewDeal: .balance
punkbot: TheNewDeal: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01592 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 144 more bundles.
TheNewDeal: .status
punkbot: TheNewDeal: No pending deeds | Last bundle 4 hours and 7 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw you ever seen saint john of las vegas ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal thestringpuller people in l2. same as voice.
TheNewDeal: satoshi, get in that l2
mircea_popescu: punkman your github alias is... "extempore" ?!
mircea_popescu: do you also have a music band called psykosis or something ?
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/legacy/ << us policy in a cartoonshell
assbot: Legacy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9434 @ 0.00077901 = 7.3492 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: the alt text adds in well
mircea_popescu: !up psychouroboros
mircea_popescu: close enough, i'll take it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00077216 = 4.7874 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 7 BTC for No on "Silver price over $23/oz in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/972/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.92196987 BTC. Current weight: 18,987.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00077216 = 6.988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00077216 = 4.8646 BTC [-]
gabriel_laddel: anyone here experienced with hacking firefox / conkeror?
bounce: what're you after?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9073 @ 0.00077215 = 7.0057 BTC [-] {2}
gabriel_laddel: bounce: I'm looking for a canonical reference for the entire API exposed by mozilla firefox (I realize there are two, JS and the XUL. I'd like both). I'm looking through the firefox extension documentation, but frankly, they're shit (eg, I want to open a new tab, where is the page describing this function call? not anywhere in the search!). If someone familiar with the sources knew of a few files that could be massa
gabriel_laddel: ged into the desired table via regexps, pointers would be greatly appreciated. I'll post the finished output of this somewhere permanent to make it worth your time. I'd like to call these functions while the program is running btw (via mozrepl). The format of the table I would like to generate: http://paste.lisp.org/display/144251/raw
bounce: not short on ambition, aren't you.
gabriel_laddel: bounce: I'm going to do this fucker once and for all and be done with it.
gabriel_laddel: no more fucking with browser versions, just abstract over one version in particular and never again upgrade.
bounce: that's a decade of poorly documented cruft you're looking to wade through
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I know. there must be a table avalible through some hack though, ie the master 'document' javascript object.
gabriel_laddel: in CL this is utterly fucking trivial (apropos "").
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00077715 = 11.8904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7391 @ 0.00077715 = 5.7439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00077705 = 10.3348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5876 @ 0.00077769 = 4.5697 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20155 @ 0.00077853 = 15.6913 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23745 @ 0.00077257 = 18.3447 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: still out of town, just have a few mins to catch up here
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: pete modified it << if i had the skillz to do that, we wouldn't need ben_vulpes asciilifeform mod6 and the real foundation ;)
pete_dushenski: all i did was make pankkake's script run on a vps
pete_dushenski: this merely required a few updates to debian rather than the script
pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is he like the only b-a jew or something ? << am not! we're all rabbis here, neh?
pete_dushenski: ...with varying degrees of experience
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0007801 = 17.7863 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5255 @ 0.00077718 = 4.0841 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "So… You judge a society as successful if it has enough money for a vibrant arts scene but not enough to alleviate the effects of poverty? Call me crazy, but I don’t think the first of us started forming this grand experiment I call society just so we can finger-paint together." << lulzy contravex comment o' the day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7403 @ 0.00077281 = 5.7211 BTC [-]
punkman: mircea_popescu: do you also have a music band called psykosis or something ? << what's irish thrash metal got to do with me
punkman: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw you ever seen saint john of las vegas ? << think I've seen that, what's mp's take on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8164 @ 0.00077178 = 6.3008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6686 @ 0.00076901 = 5.1416 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: Except who the fuck is in New York? << boring mr. lawlsky ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone taking bets on the name of the chick that informed mr fox as to the intricacies of the russian soul ? << even money on lolita
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00077415 = 2.3225 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00077014 = 17.1356 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0007716 = 10.1851 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.85 BTC. Current weight: 56,985.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Deed_title: A small puzzle - Pastebin.com
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1027/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.85 BTC. Current weight: 56,981.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.74305289 BTC. Current weight: 33,233.
assbot: Bundle 1KxPj5Py | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2310 @ 0.00077213 = 1.7836 BTC [+]
assbot: A man browsing for books in Cincinnati's cavernous old main library. The library was demolished in 1955. http://t.co/IcGn02SXCI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00076901 = 1.4273 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9184 @ 0.00076901 = 7.0626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4012 @ 0.00076893 = 3.0849 BTC [-]
assbot: Gaston eats 5-dozen eggs - YouTube
ben_vulpes: the downside to an unlimited buy wall as a consulting shop is the imperative to eat through as much of it as possible in the time allotted
ben_vulpes: what is this weak logsauce
ben_vulpes: i look away for what - a day, two? and you people only rack up 500 lines?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8554 @ 0.00076893 = 6.5774 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> ... $8500 << currently dealing with something very similar. programmer programs a thing in django, goes to "deploy" it but doesn't know much on the topic beyond "hey heroku's a good host". fast forward four years, heroku bill is now in excees of 300 dollars a month because it's so much easier for people who "just write code" (if plugging the duplo of rails or django into itself can be called such) to click the "yes please
ben_vulpes: terminate ssl for me for 20 dollars a month" button than to...terminate it themselves. on a box they control.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> what is the schmuck's name anyway ? << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=robert+viragh
assbot: 2 results for 'robert viragh' - #bitcoin-assets search
ben_vulpes: this is what we do here, ninjashogun, and all others listening.
ben_vulpes: this is *the* public forum, and we keep *immutable* records of everything.
ben_vulpes: if you show up and make an idiot of yourself, history will show this forever.
ben_vulpes: the only way to change it is to bury it in a sea of "jeez, i guess i was wrong" and subsequent self improvement.
ben_vulpes: you had manifold opportunity to do such and instead doubled down on your idiocy.
ben_vulpes: you guys
ben_vulpes: i am having the praises of my dick sung to me
ben_vulpes: it is a lovely morning
ben_vulpes: !s jeffrey robinson
kakobrekla: lol, so heroku is basically a scam
ben_vulpes: http://www.jeffreyrobinson.com/book-bitcon.html : "He spoke with big players and small players" << i don't recall him ever stopping by
assbot: Jeffrey Robinson, Author & Journalist
ben_vulpes: elegant chumpatron.
kakobrekla: yeah, nice logo.
ben_vulpes: such css.
ben_vulpes: if you know what you want and are willing to pay for it it's lovely.
ben_vulpes: clicky rollbacks of infrastructure
ben_vulpes: clicky rollbacks to yesterday's db
ben_vulpes: clicky provisioning of solr, mongo, whatever
ben_vulpes: clicky copying of full stacks
ben_vulpes: it's quite elegant.
ben_vulpes: also horrendously expensive.
ben_vulpes: i wrote my own version of it in 2 weeks
ben_vulpes: works entirely differently though
ben_vulpes: json file describing what needs provisioning, and a script to stand it all up on aws.
ben_vulpes: to roll back, check out commit to which you want to roll back and provision a new cluster.
ben_vulpes: idempotent infrastructure!
kakobrekla: cool :)
ben_vulpes: !up Bremsstrahlung2
ben_vulpes: how many argentine pesos in 1/phi bitcoins, Bremsstrahlung2?
kakobrekla: who are you talking to ?
ben_vulpes: log ghosts
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: heroku << paulgrahamian vc chumpatron, iirc
ben_vulpes: more specifically, asciilifeform, american webdev chumpatron.
kakobrekla: is not bad yes
kakobrekla: good chump.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15583 @ 0.00077647 = 12.0997 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: so sell your own heroku for a little less?
kakobrekla: first you need chumpatronic designer
kakobrekla: to make ze logo.
ben_vulpes: bounce: it's a custom built thing.
ben_vulpes: designed to be operated by professionals.
ben_vulpes: i might sell licenses of it
ben_vulpes: (or the most recent copy).
ben_vulpes: Vulpes' Hairball.
assbot: Re: Harlequin was: Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive
ben_vulpes: "Deploy your shit. Idempotently."
ben_vulpes: this is not a terribly bad idea.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ^ 2nd paragraph specifically
kakobrekla: third one aint bad either
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is this meant to dissuade me from entering a saturated field?
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 6968268ccd854ca4c3caccab830341ccbc11ce629a7c2462a89103c3e98221c7
punkman: do I need to broadcast more aggressively, or do we need to change standard tx to 0.001
mircea_popescu: is it evil in the eyes of the mining goblins ?
mircea_popescu: well, how long has it been waiting ?
punkman: dunno 4 hours or so
mircea_popescu: eh give it a day
mircea_popescu: it's a deed register not a strip club.
punkman: so if I want to make the next bundle, do start making chains of 0confs?
assbot: Get Out of Doge! Escape to the Final Frontier | Free State Project
mircea_popescu: "do start making chains of 0confs" << didn't parse
mircea_popescu: lmao jesus.
punkman: yeah let me restate
mircea_popescu: well scams are mostly targetted to the scammed. it's how that game works.
punkman: so if I spend the only unspent tx in the address for a new bundle, previous tx is gonna get dropped right
mircea_popescu: yeah it is. you'll have to queue but not broadcast the next tx until this one gets included.
mircea_popescu: this sounds bad but it is acutally good, because it gives us a method to manage the problem. ie, to distinguish between accidental and "we really should increase tx size"
ben_vulpes: doge?
ben_vulpes: dodge.
ben_vulpes: jesus, you people.
ben_vulpes: it's an actual fucking city, you nincompoops.
mircea_popescu: motor city you mean ? :D
punkman: .balance
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01592 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 144 more bundles.
mircea_popescu: you can even code it in : when the queue exceeds 24 hours with more than 3 bundles waiting, or 48 with more than 0, increase tx size by 50%
mircea_popescu: 1LAwr. hey punkman did you mine for it or pure chance ?
punkman: picked it out the initial list electrum generated
mircea_popescu: how long was the list ?
punkman: 10 or so
mircea_popescu: pretty impressive.
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1KxPj5PyuzckgS7iearS7NiBDKeRZvc7VL | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KxPj5Py
assbot: Bundle 1KxPj5Py | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Deed HEvYcqtx | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: hah
mircea_popescu: I wonder how many people hit on incredibly improbable but bothersome stuff like 1smallC0K or 1yoMOMMAisHO or 1JeSuSgAy w/e and as a result think bitcoin is evil and gather around the hater sites.
punkman: puzzle deed just confirmed
mircea_popescu: maybe pankkake tried to generate a bitcoin address, itcame out as 1systemdsux and his head explody
punkman: lol so mean
mircea_popescu: who me, mean ?!
punkman: so bot updates trust list every 6 hours, should I make it spit out a message when it gets new keys?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0007751 = 6.8596 BTC [-]
punkman: (4 since yesterday)
mircea_popescu: yes. in here.
thestringpuller: i don't think the redditards understand the consequences of a hardfork ~_~
thestringpuller: "Yea! This is great idea Gavin, hardfork == good!"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a) the notion that a reddit account = a person is rather bizarre. see http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ by now i'd guess less than 10% are actual people ; b) this is in no way remarkable, they understand nothing of absolutely any other topic they consider, be it politics, sexual relationships or raising snails. this seems to have relatively little impact or importance outside of the
assbot: Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ir wankfest bubble.
mircea_popescu: so in short, nonpeople nonunderstanding nontopics. internet 4 winz.
thestringpuller: it's bizarre, but not unsurprising. similar to phenomenon of how people blindly follow what's told to them on Fox News or CNN.
thestringpuller: s/people/lemmings
mircea_popescu: well, "follow". you know ? whether usians believe X topic they have no control or influence over to be a or b, and whether they believe they have a lot or a little control over x topic they have no control over are in the end irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: whether someone thinks the sun comes out for their merits or for their sins is entirely their problem, as it were.
thestringpuller: well these (the redditards) are the same breed of lemmings that truly believe the sun rises in the west if the talking head on tv tells them it does.
mircea_popescu: nah, that's easily disprovable by observation
mircea_popescu: they believe things more akin to "the moon is made of cheeze" and "jews did nyc"
thestringpuller: "nah, that's easily disprovable by observation
thestringpuller: ^- there was a recent post on reddit about a guy who took his girlfriend to the west coast to view the sunrise
mircea_popescu: "elvis lives, feminism matters, we can save africa/the world/other entities that don't care to be saved nor do they care about us", stuff like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5397 @ 0.0007751 = 4.1832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00077117 = 8.4058 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: eh why even bother. nm.
ben_vulpes: "in 1999, the Mexican-American organization LatinosUSA organized a boycott against Spic and Span because of the use of the word spic,"
mircea_popescu: and c-span organised a boycott against it, because, welll....
mircea_popescu: you guessed it.
mircea_popescu: also, i thought mexicans were tejanos not latinos.
assbot: FBI demands new powers to hack into computers and carry out surveillance | US news | theguardian.com
xiando: "We'd just like to make sure we won't get in trouble for what we have already been doing for years down the line" -FBI
ben_vulpes: lady v discovered the model-turned-pilot instagram community: http://instagram.com/p/uO0yVUFbQv/?modal=true
assbot: Instagram
assbot: Instagram
mircea_popescu: anyone recall what fluffypony 's blog was ?
mircea_popescu: duh i have an article for this nm. http://blog.spagni.net/
assbot: My Arbitrary Thoughts: Because my opinion matters. Apparently.
assbot: The problem of ideal social systems - reprint pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: hey mike_c how much did WoL make this month?
mike_c: mp has the numbers, not sure I should scoop the statement.
assbot: Mirror Image
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's getting published, what's the hgurry ?
punkbot: jurov: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
mircea_popescu: omg bingoboingo was an impostor!
punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
ben_vulpes: sweet.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'll let you do the honors with yours.
ben_vulpes: .status
punkbot: ben_vulpes: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 6 hours and 32 minutes ago
thestringpuller: the word grok needs to be used more
assbot: Bundle 1KcphTS5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: punkman this shiot's pretty cool!
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1KcphTS5Jh3dWBfXkCmVNnSsJJ5cW8jRi7 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1KcphTS5
assbot: Bundle 1KcphTS5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
ben_vulpes: now i wish that i'd submitted mod6's signature with mine.
ben_vulpes: 'twould have been awesome to have both sigs on the charter in the same deed :(
mircea_popescu: you can still submit it neh ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be YOURS
ben_vulpes: yeah, ofc.
ben_vulpes: but now the bundle's sealed.
mircea_popescu: oh it already went huh.
ben_vulpes: *shrug*
ben_vulpes: lessons, lessons.
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe we name this lesson after you.
ben_vulpes: i will be remembered for derping in public.
ben_vulpes: this is fitting.
mircea_popescu: http://www.misscruelty.com/galleries/em3/party/ << check out the sheer frozen boredom in there.
assbot: The English Mansion - Big femdom party. Some slave serve to Mistresses, some get punished.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can these people make anything they touch stolid.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: heh <<< i like the guy's specifications skills tho.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: no more fucking with browser versions, just abstract over one version in particular and never again upgrade. <<< this sounds just like...
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
punkman: hmm
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: pete is now so on top of things he quotes stuff i published minutes prior.
mircea_popescu: !up mnmx
jurov: r;;ident BingoBoingo
jurov: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
jurov: it says bad signature here, too
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this a line end problem ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: Trying a different editor nao
mircea_popescu: gpg: BAD signature from "BingoBoingo
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature Primary key fingerprint: ADD7 A9A2 8F85 E5EF 1F51 904F 309B B8D7 F325 1143
mircea_popescu: you signed with a subkey ?
punkman: should still work
punkman: I think
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: either way, it does appear that every 5th mircea_popescu comment gets eaten by contravex's spam filter << just happened again lol
mircea_popescu: punkman: saint john of las vegas ? << think I've seen that, what's mp's take on it << i thought it was somewhat similar to dead man. just as totally fucking absurd and meaningless, but not unpleasant neveretheless.
mircea_popescu: mostly because that reanimated corpse of buscemi is a very great weird actor.
punkman: he just finished his tv gig, wonder where he'll pop up next
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the downside to an unlimited buy wall as a consulting shop is the imperative to eat through as much of it as possible in the time allotted <<< ever seen http://trilema.com/2012/cum-iti-negociezi-salariul/ ?
assbot: Cum iti negociezi salariul ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Snapper's decisions: Whatever happened to REAL photography? • The Register
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes:... $8500 << ... in excees of 300 dollars a month << you have to understand, 300 a month may well be the threshold of "minimum we'd pay for servers". because it's a tiny sum.
mircea_popescu: 9k not the same, i don't care what the pretense at hand is.
mircea_popescu: "evolutionary path from amateur to professional has been economically closed off by marketing." <<< there isn't going to be a professional photographer anymore than there's going to be a professional dresser.
mircea_popescu: it's become a natural function, it's not going away.
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: granted, 300/mo is a piddling amount.
bounce: that is to misunderstand the point completely
ben_vulpes: but when the codemachine could run just as easily on 60/year...
mircea_popescu: bounce state the point ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends, maybe the 240 a month goes into creating a relationship with the provider or w/e. at that level, the skill of the manager is much more important than technical considerations. think of it, most embasies cost more than they have to.
jurov: BingoBoingo: if you do gpg --homedir /tmp --recv-keys 309BB8D7F3251143 , does it verify?
bounce: try and read the thing without assuming there won't be a professional photographer. there will be, just like photography didn't kill the painter.
jurov: using that homedir
mircea_popescu: bounce o, it hasn't ?
mircea_popescu: in what way ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/cum-iti-negociezi-salariul/ << i harbor no illusions that i'm anything but pleb scum, turning cranks for capital
assbot: Cum iti negociezi salariul ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes point remains, when you have a buy wall you increase the price, rather thna flatten yourself against it.
ben_vulpes: in retrospect though i probably could have negotiated half up front and charged another 25%.
bounce: nope. there's still painters around. shit, the 'web even gave rise to a whole new generation of amateurs and among them do progress to professional
ben_vulpes: i've learned this lesson - again.
mircea_popescu: bounce your argument that "there's still deluded idiots pretending that "painter" is an adequate synonym for "bum" " fails to support your earlier assertion that "photography hasn't killed painting".
mircea_popescu: there are, of course, still prohpets around. doesn't mean religion ain't dead.
ben_vulpes: !up ninjashogun
bounce: you're not making much sense here, sorry.
ninjashogun: !down ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: there can't be a professional painter anymore. the last professional was godward ( http://trilema.com/2010/lumea-nu-i-de-ajuns/ srsly). he killed himself, because the world was taken over by marketers
assbot: Lumea nu-i de-ajuns pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: specifically, picasso and the rest of the warhol ilk.
mircea_popescu: old story.
mircea_popescu: actually dali should probably get mention as the chief marketing whore rather than those two. makes little difference anyway.
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mircea_popescu: gpg: Signature made Sun 02 Nov 2014 11:29:39 PM EET using RSA key ID F3251143
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: punkman there's gotta be soemthing the matter owht the bot
BingoBoingo: First deedbot didn't like me either...
kakobrekla: i found the problem in hte source
bounce: a quick search and I run into literally dozens of artists taking comissions, so not buying it, sorry.
kakobrekla: if bingo then go fuck yourself < problem
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mircea_popescu: bounce why do you think "people calling themselves artists and asking for money" is an argument ?
mircea_popescu: i can find even more astrologers taking comissions, does this mean astrology is alive and well ?
bounce: similarly, plenty people snapshotting and not producing anything good, yet there's still a few who manage to produce decent photographs.
mircea_popescu: heck, i can probably find people soliciting to protect the us from alien invasion.
bounce: has astrology declined in influence?
mircea_popescu: what's your measure of influence ?
mircea_popescu: it has exactly no influence as i measure it.
bounce: so it was never important to you
mircea_popescu: no, no. it was never important, as i measure it.
mircea_popescu: that's not "to me".
mircea_popescu: chick goes to mp's great-granddad in 1514 "hey, this chick is born in so and so sign, marry her!" mp's granddad "hm, that;s an idea"
mircea_popescu: chick comes to me, "hey, this chick is born in so and so sign, marry her" i'm "leave here and never speak to me again"
bounce: that's only four generations, to span 500 years. I'm impressed.
mircea_popescu: i suppose since nancy reagan was hiring court astrologers the argument can be brought that the colonies were slower on the uptake, but be that as it may...
mircea_popescu: bacon killed astrology pretty much.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: astrology is alive and well - under new brands (e.g., 'economics')
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, to summarize : the discussion as to whether a profession is doing ok or not, or even is still alive, can not rely on a discussion on they who call themselves followers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it cannot die for so long as so-called decision makers want their 'responsibility sink' mechanism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but a claim is not a fact.
asciilifeform: claim is not a fact << when talking about a scam, the claim is the fact (that is, the fact of the scam being set up as such or other)
mircea_popescu: but i thought we were talking about the fact.
asciilifeform: 'responsibility sink' is simply my shorthand for any apparatus which lets you 'make a decision' without putting your arse on the line as decision-maker.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes, all the benefits of being a prince in terms of the harem girls' awe, none of the risks in terms of the other dudes beheading you. i know all about the mental processes supporting adolescent frottage
asciilifeform: this, afaik, goes back maxint years.
bounce: there's a market for hand-painted portraits just as there is a market for professionally-done photographs. the argument re the latter is that the marketeering is busily making the required machinery unaffordable. my point was the mechanism at work.
mircea_popescu: not so many. just as many as poorly managed youth existed. it's a lengthy history full of gaps.
mircea_popescu: bounce what is this market for "professionally done photographs", wherein the definition of "professionally" is coherent with pre-digital photography ?
bounce: "policy driven fact finding" (see david nutt's firing)
bounce: who says pre-digital?
bounce: no,
mircea_popescu: then yes, there's a market for marketing-approved photography.
asciilifeform: re: photographers: situation is rather like bulldozer operators. machine costing half of a plebe's yearly pay. you rent it, and it happens to come with operator who is mostly certain not to break it, and knows approximately which knobs to turn to dig the ditch, err, snap the photo.
mircea_popescu: to argue that marketing is doing this in is absurd.
bounce: hmhm yet it's doing it, as a side effect of its market research and segmentation science.
jurov: your argumetn feels to me like saying since homosexuality is marketing-trending there are no real fags anymore
mircea_popescu: but by definition it can not. whatever it comes up with is actually the marketing-approved photography and all is well.
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mircea_popescu: jurov i bring as proof the difficulty real fags have in dating.
jurov: that's another thing. does not mean the real ones died out
jurov: professional photographers must have difficulty finding their ilk, too
mircea_popescu: might mean that, actually.
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, so stated our dispute boils down to me saying that it is upon you either to present an outside criteria or else yield. (which is why i assumed your criteria is presented, and summarized it as "pre digital"). my point generally is that you can't present any meaningful criteria anyway.
mircea_popescu: so, no, it's no longer a profession. it's dead as its own thing, no matter who does what to whom.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't so dead at some point in 1920, of course, but that only to us. i'm sure in 1920 some similar dispute raged, either about draughstmanship or some other sort of engraving.
mircea_popescu: professions die all the damned time.
asciilifeform: there is another 'secret' - and that is, that most folks who actually need 40+MP photographs in real life - astronomers, spies, biologists, weirdos like yours truly, etc. - own and operate own hardware. and don't actually need photographers.
mircea_popescu: nor are they professional.
mircea_popescu: just like the plumber using silicone curing isn't a silicone professional in any sense.
bounce: "criteria" is plural, by the by. my takeaway is that I'm running into a bunch of preconceptions that make the discussion quite meaningless, so I'll yield while disagreeing.
mircea_popescu: bounce i'd much prefer you taking them apart.
mircea_popescu: the more violently the better, as a general rule.
mircea_popescu has a penchant for watching notions dieing a grizzly death in the field.
jurov: then...does any distiguished profession exist anymore?
asciilifeform: sometimes the death of a profession is not all smiles. i once saw a rant lamenting the invention of LaTeX as a terrible calamity for mathematics. argument was that, whereas it was once possible for mathematicians (and physicists) to remain entirely innocent of typograpy and its brute labours, now the typographers gave up and went home. and now you (maths folks) also are stuck being typographers - and generally, no
mircea_popescu: jurov writing still does im pretty sure.
asciilifeform: ... typographers - and generally, not particularly good ones.
mircea_popescu: generally the computer revolution has killed the outskirts and "empowered" the pure forms.
mircea_popescu: stans' being a fine example
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asciilifeform: pure forms?
mircea_popescu: yeah. pure forms. writing, words or numbers. but not drawing, either.
mircea_popescu: afore the computer each sort of drawing was its own profession, with its own tools.
mircea_popescu: today you just look for a fucking excel plugin
bounce always somewhat disliked TeX-typeset material. computer modern isn't a great look, even though each letter is shaped by whatwasit 60-odd parameters.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
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mircea_popescu: the "profession" of photography is not evolving towards going back to film cameras. it's evolving towards drone cameras. they find the right spot on their own, fly around, take a bunch of photos for you etc.
jurov: bounce i just did /font {times}
jurov: or sth like
asciilifeform: thing is, nobody forces you to use the default '80s crud font/layout
asciilifeform: but that is what the fate is of people herded into using the tool against their will - defaults everywhere and always.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform conversely, the fault of people who think they can so misapply their will.
mircea_popescu: "really honey, you wanna fuck but don't wanna suck ? oh, and this is up to you, is it ? stfu and swallow it!"
bounce: nah, that's remolding the argument in a clash of wills when availability makes lazy. different mechanism.
bounce: people writing emails in word, or stuffing anything remotely looking like a table in excel, "because it's there"
mircea_popescu: "Medium format system cameras also have interchangeable backs, so you can switch between monochrome, colour and Polaroid film in seconds. In due course, you would switch to a digital sensor and leave it there." << here.
mircea_popescu: say what you will, there it is.
asciilifeform: don't miss the part where he described camera vendors waging war against their customers.
mircea_popescu: what vendor ever hasn't ?
mircea_popescu: guy in bar "i wanna piss on the ceiling" bartender "stfu and piss in the toilet, a toilet should be enough for all the pissing"
bounce: http://torrentfreak.com/disney-patents-piracy-free-search-engine-141029/ << "you must filter pirate stuff!" 'okay' "also you owe us royalties now" -- there's mustabeen a joke in here somewhere but it got stolen
assbot: Disney Patents a Piracy Free Search Engine | TorrentFreak
bounce: s/'s//
mircea_popescu: lawl wut
assbot: Disney Patents a Piracy Free Search Engine | TorrentFreak
mircea_popescu: "because Disney.go.com is the official domain for The Walt Disney Company." << i have nfi how to put into words the idiocy of this
mircea_popescu: at least if they had made it .co.uk it'd have been complete.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the open secret here is that google for many years has no longer used computers to compile its list, but merely links wikipedia facebook and some other friends to the top by default.
mircea_popescu: disney is butthurt that it doesn't make that list, but it definitely never will.
jurov: disney.co.ck
bounce: disney does own go.com though
mircea_popescu: that's a poor palliative.
mircea_popescu: "Digital photography today is another victim of the dead hand of marketing, where short term gain overrides any other concern. Broadly speaking, marketing has created two types of camera. There are those with small chips that are cheap – increasingly incorporated into a cell phone – have a rubbish lens, need no skill to operate and therefore teach the user nothing. And then there are those cameras with big chips th
mircea_popescu: at are so expensive that even professionals cringe. It’s like owning a jumbo jet: you can’t afford not to fly it, hence the constant references to workflow in the marketing. Alas, in between these two types we find the equivalent of a valence band or forbidden zone." << this has nothing to do with marketing.
mircea_popescu: this is absolutely the rule of the world. why do you think there's monkeys and humans, and nothing in between ? author ever heard of punctuated equilibrium ?
mircea_popescu: this is how things naturally evolve, and it also happens to be the right way.
mircea_popescu: computers have worked exactly that same way, too. there's people who cli and then there's the hopeless horde looking for the any key. there's nothing in between, nor should there be, and kids learning to "program for the web" aren't ever going to become professionals.
mircea_popescu: money works the same way, there's us and there's reddit, and there's no real path for the redditard to get in the wot. sure, he could, but as the article says, "The small chip camera owner cannot cross the forbidden zone for 30 BTC reasons, and even if he did, he wouldn’t have the necessary skills."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just dug up the filing. Working on a write up.
mircea_popescu: le cool.
assbot: Patent US20120066203 - Online content ranking system based on authenticity metric values for web ... - Google Patents
mircea_popescu: lol the irony of this...
BingoBoingo: I know.
BingoBoingo: Sweet irony
PeterL: for deedbot, if you have multiple deeds waiting for confirmation, could you combine the transactions into a single bitcoin transaction?
mircea_popescu: that's how it works.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the only way to change it is to bury it in a sea of "jeez, i guess i was wrong" and subsequent self improvement. << a good point.
PeterL: I know they get bundled, but it sounds like you have to wait for one bundle's bitcoin transaction to confirm before sending the next transaction?
mircea_popescu: assbot: Jeffrey Robinson, Author & Journalist << oh he's the clueless idiot with yet another "bitcoin book" that's neither a book nor about bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: scammers these days...
mircea_popescu: PeterL ah that, yeah.
mircea_popescu: the reason is that once you broadcast a tx, you no longer have control of it.
mircea_popescu: if you bundle its contents with later material you have constructed two competing txn, one of which will be introduced.
PeterL: yeah, so once you send the first transaction you have to let it be, but could bundles 2 and 3 be put on a single bitcoin transaction once 1 confirms?
mircea_popescu: i don't think it makes a bundle 3.
PeterL: ah, so it keeps adding to bundle 2 until bundle 1 confirms?
punkman: yeah
PeterL: ok, nevermind then
punkman: up to 64
PeterL: 64 what, deeds per bundle?
mircea_popescu: !up orkaa
mircea_popescu: punkman how do you broadcast currently ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: through electrum
mircea_popescu: then let it be, dubious adding more complexity will do anything.
punkman: yeah let's see if it works for more than 2 days this time
jurov did double take "no it's not porcelain"
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
hanbot: lol
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punkman: BingoBoingo: apparently you are BingoBoingo in one database and bingoboingo in the other
punkman: nanotube: shouldn't names match between GPG.db and RatingSystem.db?
mircea_popescu: punkman what happens should one try to register mirceA_Popescu ?
punkman: dun think that'll work
assbot: dpaste: 3WM49E7
thestringpuller: punkman: they might be out of sync
joecool: wat is this list and why am I on it?
punkman: ;;gettrust assbot joecool
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
nanotube: punkman: they should match plus or minus capitalization, at least.
joecool: oh hey nano, been forever how are you?
mircea_popescu: !s joecool
bounce: probably should follow irc nick equivalency rules, no?
mircea_popescu: you're on all sorts of lists :D
joecool: mircea_popescu: good to know, still popular I guess
punkman: nanotube: any chance I could get current irc hostmask via http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=punkman&outformat=json ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome/ << reddit at its best : libertard/socialist astroturfing.
assbot: The Basic Income Community on Reddit
joecool: because /r/welfare got banned
thestringpuller: "what if instead of using that money for my needs I just stay at bobs house and buy the heroin while he pays for the house and we pool for food"
mircea_popescu: "Could someone point me to any good arguments AGAINST basic income?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00077232 = 4.5567 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because "fuck you" is apparently not good enough now o.O
thestringpuller: joecool: why did /r/welfare get banned?
thestringpuller: also i've always been meaning to ask this. is your name a reference to snoopy?
mircea_popescu: "Yes, but that's a common problem with ANY "socialist" measure to help workers, whether it be minimum wage or full blown communism, or anything in between. Global capitalism is a race to the bottom. If we keep playing that game, I see nothing but a dystopian future of neofuedalism and a regression to gilded age economic policies."
joecool: i really don't know what my name is a reference to, i've been using it so long now it just stuck
mircea_popescu: check it out, schmuckland gets it :D
asciilifeform: dafuq is 'basic income' ?
mircea_popescu: of fucking course.
joecool: and no clue on why it got banned, it just is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "get money to pay for anything you might want for free"
asciilifeform: and what happens to price?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the idiots work,.
asciilifeform: i often wonder what take #2 would be like, if they understood what happens to price (e.g., usa with credit and 'college loans', etc)
punkman: .status
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punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
asciilifeform: the idiots << nuance here. if i have soldering iron up my arse, i might utter something more than the 'moo' of a cow that has soldering iron up her arse. but the fact remains that having hot iron up arse - is not pleasant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what would the 2nd step be of a broom processing a program, if the broom were capable of processing programs ?
asciilifeform: likewise, both idiot and normal person understand that something evil is at work underneath the cost of modern life being what it is re: the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
asciilifeform: and know that the idiot is emboldened by the fact of the non-idiot not having any more effective, immediately, an answer than he.
mircea_popescu: ;;google cocksure full of doubt
gribble: The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the ...: <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/bertrandru101364.html>; Stupidity - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stupidity>; Bertrand Russell - Positive Atheism: <http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/russell.htm>
mircea_popescu: idiot's always felt emboldened by his purely political, stupideological decision that the effective, immediate answer of the intelligent "don't exist".
mircea_popescu: why should he get in the wot ? shit's hard yo.
nanotube: howdy joecool :)
nanotube: punkman: nope, that data isn't stored in the gpg database.
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << turdatron functional and described here, except for actual database dump
punkbot: punkman: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
punkman: jurov, guessing that linkifies plaintext URLs
punkman: would pass otherwise
jurov: i did not foresee this use for the archives
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> the "profession" of photography is not evolving towards going back to film cameras. it's evolving towards drone cameras. they find the right spot on their own, fly around, take a bunch of photos for you etc. << the "red" cameras are another interesting evolution here. by my limited understanding 'filmmakers' are in the habit of blanketing the scene with them and then making zooms/pans/dolly actions happen in post
mircea_popescu: jurov considering deeding is cheap, why not.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yup. it's what drove my comment.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: dude RED camera's are so annoying and pervasive.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: like seriously get a fucking dolly or steadicam.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: why bother?
thestringpuller: shit like that pisses me off so much
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller why ?
thestringpuller: Because it's not film making anymore.
punkman: why do you think people with RED cameras don't use steadicams?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller srsly, this sounds to me exactly like bounce 's objection coming from a different ego investment.
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mircea_popescu: cazalla happens to the best o' em.
ben_vulpes: good ol marion county
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so what do you think about Orson Welles? Yea it's cool you can get a RED camera and press the easy button, warranted it makes shit cheaper. But it's a cheap replacement for "the real thing"
ben_vulpes: there's no easy button.
ben_vulpes: you just move the work into post.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well it all depends on what the real thing is.
ben_vulpes: instead of dolly operators, you have an editor who knows that a dolly move would be most appropriate for a given shot.
mircea_popescu: are the current wives marrying all sfondate not real wives ?
thestringpuller: "genuine camera movement"
mircea_popescu: ;;google Sfondami tutta
cazalla: no news today but that money2020 event is on
thestringpuller: maybe when the day comes when what actually is recorded vs. what you would simulate in post, are reconciled. (i.e. someone recording every atom in a scene), then sure.
ben_vulpes: bang bang maxwell's silver demon
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller honestly, i'm not in a position to manage the workflow. i'll go with whatever the director wants to use. it's his film not mine.
thestringpuller: ^- which is appreciatory! I wish more producers had this attitude.
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mircea_popescu: anyone seen The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai ?
mircea_popescu: this may actually be the worst film of all time.
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer33
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer9933
assbot: Scientists Have Discovered an Activity Just as Pleasurable as Sex, Drugs and Gambling - Mic
punkman: lolstudy
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: who was asking me about curtis recently ?
mircea_popescu: !s moldbug
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell johntraveller here you go, i finally found a better article on the topic : http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist/
assbot: “Why I am not a white nationalist” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> no news today but that money2020 event is on << so publish the qntra shares list.
cazalla: i thought i was waiting on you to do that with the data i emailed
mircea_popescu: cazalla nah, publish that
mircea_popescu: (and since the deed is up, deedify it too)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how do shares get disbursed?
mircea_popescu: ppl who have mpex accts get them added there. people who don't have to contact jurov, get them on coinbr
thestringpuller: they'll be disbursed before or on the 4th of each month?
thestringpuller: (based on IPO contract)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, post word count or shares, i was waiting for you to publish for the later
mircea_popescu: cazalla word count, ima make a report like for s.mpoe referencing it.
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement | Qntra.net
punkbot: cazalla: No valid deeds found, try again.
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decimation: https://github.com/EtchedPixels/FUZIX << Alan Cox: "Fed up of SystemD ? Kdbus the final straw ? Linux community too large and noisy ? Yearn for the good old days when you knew every contributor by name and the source code fitted on a single floppy disc ?"
assbot: EtchedPixels/FUZIX · GitHub
mircea_popescu: decimation let me guess, no wot.
decimation: I'm not sure if he's serious
decimation: it seems like a port of minix to the z80 kinda
punkman: it's for microcontrollers
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thestringpuller: a lot of things on github are jokes
assbot: Please remove mitsuhiko/* · Issue #127 · tip4commit/tip4commit · GitHub
decimation: apparently people working for some guy's "open source project" started getting paid in bitcoin
decimation: he was royally pissed, because the IRS and because it's not nice
decimation: yeah exactly
decimation: weeding through the comments, I get the picture that this tip4commit guy (arsenische) started 'tipping' people for commits to open source projects
decimation: then began 'fund-raising' for the project without talking to the 'maintainers'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6605 @ 0.00076942 = 5.082 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: BitBet, Fairlay, BetMoose: Meet Bitcoin’s Prediction Markets
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Maybe they commented out their Fuck you Bitbet line in their article generation code?
kakobrekla: prolly just a bug.
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1L2XKKL25eCrcGBycJyMN26oicCDWJ9J4x | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1L2XKKL2
assbot: Bundle 1L2XKKL2 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00076877 = 8.5333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00076813 = 7.4509 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: in todays heretic tales, using bechamel sauce as a base for pizza instead of tomato sauce works fucking great.
mircea_popescu: this arsenische name is familiar.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:bitcointalk.org arsenische
gribble: View the profile of arsenische - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20767>; [WTS] Steam Games for Bitcoins! (www.steamcoin.net) [NOW WITH ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67232.25;wap2>; [Announce] MyCryptCoin.com now has a referral program: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82322.5;wap2>
assbot: [ANN] Tip4Commit.com - support opensource projects, contribute and earn bitcoins
mircea_popescu: "We are being criticized for unsolicited email spam.
mircea_popescu: Just to clear the things out: we do not spam and never intended to. Perhaps in the early days of the project we sent out disturbing notifications about microdonations, but that was fixed long ago, just see the algorithm here: https://github.com/tip4commit/tip4commit/blob/master/app/models/tip.rb#L115-L126
assbot: tip4commit/tip.rb at master · tip4commit/tip4commit · GitHub
mircea_popescu: We send emails only to public email addresses of contributors who received tips for their contribution and only when ALL of the following conditions are met:"
mircea_popescu: also runs a scammy "ads" site, which basiclaly sells botted traffic
mircea_popescu: "Thanks for your message. Someone generated too much traffic to our main site. I think it is fixed now. Ad rotation not affected." sorta thing
decimation: yeah I have no truck with this guy
decimation: I just find it amusing that people recoil in horror at being gifted some bitcents
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: decimation they prolly got a buncha spam
mircea_popescu: !up bettycla1p
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Job brokers steal wages and entrap Indian tech workers in US | US news | The Guardian
decimation: bonded servitude is alive and well in the us
mircea_popescu: something in me suspects the only objection is that indians do it to other indians, instead of the proper way (us folk doing it)
decimation: yeah apparently they even have an indian high-power lawyer to cover the whole thing
mircea_popescu: seeing how in most cases this "people's rights" thing is used in the manner of liberating hawaii from its queen : to soften up the structure.
decimation: and the most likely people to sell you into servitude are: your fellow kin
mircea_popescu: well who else.
mircea_popescu: i suppose a bunch of armenian chicks got sold by the turks, but still
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 BitBet (S.BBET) October 2014 S - Pastebin.com
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: i did one, i did one
decimation: quote the meat: "These students at one of southern India’s oldest universities described the irresistible draw of landing a technology job in the US – even if it means signing a contract promising to pay off a bond if they quit. Most acknowledged that is the price they expect to pay to pursue their dreams."
decimation: From the perspective of living in India, making $25k sounds awesome ... until you move to the us and you want to eat
mircea_popescu: and you discover that unlike india, the us is a third world country
decimation: one of the reasons for this: the us has no legal system, unlike singapore http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-29/singapore-s-top-court-upholds-ban-on-sex-between-men.html
assbot: Singapore’s Ban on Gay Male Sex Is Upheld by Top Court - Bloomberg
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sense does that make.,
mircea_popescu: o wait, isn't this the shithole where it's illegal to chew gum ?
decimation: "“Whilst we understand the deeply held personal feelings of the appellants, there’s nothing that this court can do to assist them,” the judges wrote in their ruling. “Their remedy lies, if at all, in the legislative sphere.” "
decimation: well, they have a point there
decimation: you can chew, just don't spit it out on the ground...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14551 @ 0.00076795 = 11.1744 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ah, forbidden to import,
mircea_popescu: "The law, known as Section 377A, was retained in 2007 after a two-day debate in parliament where related provisions that made heterosexual oral and anal sex a crime were repealed."
mircea_popescu: wbahahaha. so i can fuck a chick in the ass, just, gay dude can't fuck another gay dude ? lol.
decimation: cause it's the law you see
mircea_popescu: decimation no, i appreciate your point, sg sc didn't start legislating out of the blue.
decimation: in the us that's exactly what would/has happened, on a variety of fronts
mircea_popescu: well, the us also has an unrepresentative congress.
mircea_popescu: singapore is tiny
decimation: that's true
decimation: it's fair to say that the 'nexus' of sovereignty in the us is the supreme court, by default. congress and the elected executives refuse to deal with simmering issues, so they tend to end up in the court
cazalla: but i poop from there.. don't see the appeal tbh
decimation: lol here's a blog from some guy who was offended by the scammer tip4commit guy, but he vents his hatred at ... bitcoin http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2014/11/2/payments-in-the-future/
assbot: The Future of Payments and Open Source Support | Armin Ronacher's Thoughts and Writings
decimation: libertard/socialist types definitely detect that bitcoin menaces them, but they rarely come up with the right words to describe the threat
assbot: Bundle 18jURUQo | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47324 @ 0.00076595 = 36.2478 BTC [-] {7}
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 18jURUQoTx9DaqAndnwvrfyriZgVkJyD3b | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/18jURUQo
assbot: Bundle 18jURUQo | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: decimation o look at that, world wants to "opt in" or "opt out" of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: this delusion of choice is perhaps the most amusing part of the fiat world. he only sucks the cock if he wants to, you see.
decimation: yeah you see, he "doesn't care" about bitcoin, and beside how is he going to have his pension benefits for life?
mircea_popescu: "Tip me via gittip." having nothing to do with any of this, obviously.
mircea_popescu: i like how people can't quite bring themselves to come out with it plain, "i'm invested in this thing bitcoin is gonna kill so...!!!"
decimation: no, but this 'tardation does suggestion something amusing: you could easily destroy most open source projects simply by paying a competent coder or two to fork it and rebuild it rationally
mircea_popescu: decimation kinda what we're trying recently.
decimation: hehe yeah
mircea_popescu: pretty much everytihng that happens here is the blueprint for large swaths of future,
mircea_popescu: it's just you know, when in history have contemporary cowlets realise what's what.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10611 @ 0.00076492 = 8.1166 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-startups-may-get-transitional-licence/ there is nothing much else going on today so no complaints!
assbot: Bitcoin Startups May Get Transitional Licence | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: "Supernintendo Benjamin Lawsky"
mircea_popescu: lol apt.
cazalla: is this bs? http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/02/bitcoin-brothers-aim-to-disrupt-bitcoin-mining-with-new-more-powerful-supercomputers/ "Bitcoin Brothers is working with TSMC to manufacture its proprietary 3D 16nm FinFET ASICs"
assbot: Bitcoin Brothers Aim To Disrupt Bitcoin Mining With New, More Powerful, Supercomputers | TechCrunch
mircea_popescu: hard to judge. 90% of new miners are scams.
mircea_popescu: so it's a safe if not ironclad assumption
mircea_popescu: heh, "hosted bitcoin mining services", moar like 99%
kakobrekla: >Our Bitcoin supercomputers with a quasi-opportunistic massively parallel computing model for job scheduling establish a new exascale class - well beyond FLOPS and MIPS
decimation: if that's from their copy, then that nudges the probability of scam up a few orders of magnitude
mircea_popescu: the shit techcrunch will publish these days seriously...
mircea_popescu: it's embarassing.
mircea_popescu: s/camwhore/quasi-opportunistic parallel meta-slut/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00076201 = 11.5064 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: at any rate, I think some of the miners that have delivered were working on 20 nm stuff
decimation: so it's highly dubious that a 16nm process is going to be massively better
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` did the poster ship okay? it never crossed over the border ~_~
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the gains are likely to come from bettere design not from better substrate going forward
mircea_popescu: heck, even intel pretty much scrapped the smaller-print plans
decimation: agreed. who knows about the existing designs, but I doubt that massive gains are available there either (more than 10x)
mircea_popescu: i would expect so.
mircea_popescu: they're currently the product of basically copy paste.
mircea_popescu: less money has gone into design than into production, imagine that. with stable silicon producers it's more like, 99% goes into design
decimation: heh I bet they are implementations of the original gpu mining code
mircea_popescu: in any case time shall tell.
kakobrekla: firstly sha cant be endlessly optimized and my educated guess, better than sexy gingers, is that its pretty much as good as it will get
decimation: at any rate, I don't think we will see "steps" like we saw from gpu to asic, for example
kakobrekla: fury already spent some years on this
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla didn't fury appear in 2013 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19578 @ 0.00076083 = 14.8955 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Home :: BitFury
assbot: BitBet - BitFury's ASIC WILL WORK WITH POWER < 1 W / GH/s :: 158.3 B (56%) on Yes, 125.9 B (44%) on No | closed 1 year 5 months ago
mircea_popescu: one year, fgice months ago.
kakobrekla: at this point he already spent 1year + on this
mircea_popescu: i spent 30+ years on being me too.
kakobrekla: first unrolled design on spartan
kakobrekla: and the only one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0007583 = 18.5025 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: that was a fpga neh ?
kakobrekla: did liek 350 mhash on spartan when others were doing 200
kakobrekla: yes, but the math is the same
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i can appreciate this view. nevertheless, from a businessman persepective, the people who don't give a shit, it's one year, five months.
mircea_popescu: that's not much. looks like plenty of room is left.
kakobrekla: unless you improve the math how sha is calculated, not really
mircea_popescu: mebbe so.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Report 7. November 2nd, 2014 - Pastebin.com
punkbot: hanbot: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/trilema << turns out i had a spare twitter lmao.
assbot: Mircea Popescu (@trilema) on Twitter
joecool: oh not unsuspended yet?
joecool: lame
mircea_popescu: twitter is kinda lame.
joecool: true
mircea_popescu: http://www.blackhattoolz.com/ << lmao check out all the windoze toolz!
assbot: BlackHat Toolz - Black Hat Marketing Scripts / Software
assbot: Bundle 1NBs7kqr | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1NBs7kqrsNbofzqZAxyNivigmyCNXpoVr7 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1NBs7kqr
ben_vulpes: do hearn and andresen have wot profiles?
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot gmaxwell
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gmaxwell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011
ben_vulpes: ;;seen fluffypony
gribble: fluffypony was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <fluffypony> looks like it's been moderately approved
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
Vexual: any press expected at aregntina abril?
ben_vulpes: fuck press
ben_vulpes: unless its happening to grapes
Vexual: what about steadicam tat?
Vexual: ah the pleasure of the vine
ben_vulpes: the phundation might commission thestringpuller to run around with a red cam
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust gavinandresen
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user gavinandresen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=gavinandresen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gavinandresen | Rated since: Mon Mar 28 12:32:28 2011
fluffypony: You called?
Vexual plams a carrot to fluffypony
fluffypony: LA was such a shit experience
fluffypony: The restaurants were phenomenal, everything else was overhyped
Vexual: what else do you want?
fluffypony: Beauty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00073572 = 14.8615 BTC [-]
punkbot: BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
BingoBoingo: Oh. punkbot no longer has if bingo then fuck you code
punkbot: BingoBoingo: No valid deeds found, try again. (dupe: 1)
punkbot: BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
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