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undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse.
undata: why wouldn't I expect Americans to choose their own Putin
undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up
undata: *big
BingoBoingo: undata: Because 'Muricans share a weak soft language...
undata: american putin doesn't look much like him
undata: he looks like reagan
undata: "Grandpa, tuck us in and tell us ISIS wont ruin Christmas!"
asciilifeform: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish << where is soviet army ?
thestringpuller: ^- this point should have probably been mentioned earlier
undata: still there, rotting, but not gone
undata: and still very relevant to Russian life
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2014 18:23:44; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network.
decimation: yeah 'wasp' doesn't work in anarchy
decimation: it needs a fragile paranoia-state
asciilifeform: all that 'wasp' without support can hope for, is
asciilifeform: ;;google solzhenitsyn axe
gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned - Goodreads: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: it needs a fragile paranoia-state << these are not in any short supply
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But a Wasp with a poor support network also has a death wish...
asciilifeform: what's in short supply, is an 'earth' home to supply mr. wasp with containers, forged documents, etc
undata: wow, that's a quote.
asciilifeform: reading the tale, it is easy to forget that it is about a soldier, albeit an unusual one
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decimation: asciilifeform: what do you pay on average at your loper-os isp if you don't mind asking? it seems like a really cheap deal
asciilifeform: 1-5 usd/mo
asciilifeform: on avg.
asciilifeform: depending entirely on load
decimation: yeah I guess hosting static text is cheap
kakobrekla: yeah, asciis stuff is so quotable he could write directly into bash.
asciilifeform: except not
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is just abuser of 'bash'
decimation: Did you write your own comment system?
asciilifeform: nah it's just an ancient 'wordpress' with all the crapolade ruthlessly burned out
mircea_popescu: this is getting to be more and more the way to go.
asciilifeform: what, didja think i actually did work on it
mircea_popescu: fucking scavenger culture. "o, nice car, is it the latest ford ? no, it's an old toyota civic with the crap thrown off"
asciilifeform: 'junkyard wars'
decimation: I guess I thought that anything written in php was exploited to death
mircea_popescu: no dude, php is a lot more stable than ruby bs, then the ruby crowd goes around bitching about php
asciilifeform: decimation: 'nearlyfreespeech' co.
kakobrekla: except not < i think you are the most common in bash say last 5 pages
mircea_popescu: s/bash/come see stan saying weird shit/
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decimation: I guess php has had a 'trial by fire' as the lingua franca of web devel
undata: python isn't much better.
asciilifeform: trial by shitburial.
mircea_popescu: decimation no, moreover, php doesn't try to do much. literally, it's intended to process strings.
mircea_popescu: consequently, the incredibly idiotic shit it does is concentrated
undata: overgrown templating language
asciilifeform: (never heard of shitburial? it's when yer in a hole and they park a honeywagon, lead the pipe out, throw reverse gear, and... fill)
asciilifeform: ^ from dream as a kid
mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge << a wedge ?!
undata: is metaphor comrade
decimation: mircea_popescu: it appeals to the un crapolade
mircea_popescu: oh i see. meh. prolly jurov should just reg it to mess with people.
decimation: I already did :)
asciilifeform: it's intended to process strings << incidentally - 'SNOBOL'. i invite folks to read about it. the idea of dedicated 'string processing' languages is rather old, and has not really gone anywhere 'snobol' hadn't gone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may be old enough to recall the fucking relief php was back when ppl were stuck doining web-cgi
asciilifeform: patterns as first-class data type
mircea_popescu: you think the web is insecure now, brother...
decimation: turns out they were calling the buggy-as-hell bash then too
asciilifeform 'enjoyed' from safe distance
mircea_popescu: you shoulda seen the days of c wrapped.
mircea_popescu: decimation o ya.
asciilifeform: incidentally, technically we never left 'c wrapped'
mircea_popescu: decimation has it. "bash-wrapped c"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument"
mircea_popescu: (nobody actually said it, but I FELT IT!!!)
asciilifeform: alter string - elementary
asciilifeform: ask nodes their strings - also elementary
asciilifeform can't fathom what people argued about
mircea_popescu: we were arguing about power ranger braindamage uptake is like.
mircea_popescu: about how8
asciilifeform: does anyone have a quick&dirty interrogatory battery for a remote 'victim' bitcoind node?
asciilifeform: as in, published
asciilifeform: if yes, could arrive at a kind of truth moment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours <<< miner doesn't have to rely
mircea_popescu: and because of ddos, plenty of time miner doesn't rely.
asciilifeform: not replying - also information.
mircea_popescu: after a fashion.
decimation: subtle client strings, etc?
asciilifeform: if never replies, is it really a node ?
mircea_popescu: could be.
asciilifeform: in what way, then?
mircea_popescu: nodes can implement their own private ip allows.
mircea_popescu: if the right person asks, they answer.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument" < i can see how someone running v0.9 would set the string to 'ducky duck' but not v0.1.
asciilifeform: then arguably their external 'face' is the fellow in their private net who -will- talk to strangers.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now we're discussing psychology.
asciilifeform: and then interrogate him.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu is that verboten here?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's
asciilifeform: ehe here we kinda do more psychiatry than psychology
mircea_popescu: or w/e her name was.
kakobrekla: i guess my guess is better than sexygingers
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> forsaking version control systems entirely! << i cannot conscience this.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read why and then think again. ten times.
mircea_popescu: ima put kako in the bash nao
kakobrekla: bash dont wash
mircea_popescu: what was her name anyway
mircea_popescu: oh saffron. kay.
decimation: it's amazing that there isn't a version control system with embedded crypto signatures
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: conventional version control - for private dildonic pleasure. for project like bitcoin where any change whatsoever might sink a galaxy - no.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net <<< they shouldn'rt feel bad, minigames didn't manage 10k either.
undata: decimation: git pre-commit hook?
asciilifeform: no hidden formats
asciilifeform: sign (gpg, yes) a plain ascii patch set.
asciilifeform: with totality of info visible to naked eye.
asciilifeform: yes, the pluses and minuses.
assbot: S.MG IPO succeeded. Other statements. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: I suspect git or whatever could be hooked to operate on such patches
undata: asciilifeform: the hidden format being the git db?
undata: it's relatively simple
asciilifeform: who the hell cares if it's simple
asciilifeform: will you read it? in person?
undata: yeah
undata: I've done extensive work with it
asciilifeform: or let 'git' do its thing
asciilifeform: every time?
undata: it's just a key-value store of hashes
asciilifeform: why use 'git' then
asciilifeform: if you won't let it chug
mircea_popescu: i don't think you two are discussing the same discussion.
undata: asciilifeform: you're saying "what if git tainted my commit"?
undata: that's easily discovered
asciilifeform: that's not it at all
undata: then I'm off base; what were you saying?
asciilifeform: that the entirety of everything submitted by a contributor must be signed, every time, with his gpg key, and this fact be visible to the naked eye at all times
asciilifeform: naked eye means - no tools other than apparatus capable of displaying ascii text - plus one which can verify signature.
undata: I don't see why that's a requirement, but ok
ben_vulpes: base plus patchlist?
undata: ascii isn't the only format that's "right there for your eyes"
asciilifeform: pray tell what else
undata: I could show you every bit in my git db easily
asciilifeform: can i 'cat' it to my line printer?
asciilifeform: unchanged?
mircea_popescu: well ok, it could also be sung, or whatver. anyway, the central idea here is the signing.
undata: these are bizarre requirements
undata: you could sign via git hooks
mircea_popescu: undata you could sign via git hooks
mircea_popescu: similarly, you could sign via a website that has your pubkeys
mircea_popescu: would you ?
asciilifeform: i don't actually care if he signs via hook to his toilet flush lever
ben_vulpes: name of the game being dependency minimization.
asciilifeform: but i - won't.
decimation: the important part isn't the signature, it's the code
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: without signature, there's no code.
mircea_popescu: just a collection of shit someone crapped out.
undata: ben_vulpes: sure, that's a fine value, but every time someone tries to reinvent VCS, they either produce something terrible or git
decimation: of course you validate the signature
ben_vulpes: undata: git can be used for development
ben_vulpes: that's not a problem
asciilifeform: use git for private dildonic pleasure. or for playing with friends. i do.
ben_vulpes: but for releases, history of changes to bitcoin x
mircea_popescu: undata that's kinda why this is not the same discussion. you're thinking of the scratchpad. they're talking the exhibition.
undata: that makes more sense. In that case yes, I could see a very simple tool for auditing, signing, then releasing
mircea_popescu: fuck, people use email to this day to exchange code.
decimation: I think people are complaining more aboug github than git
asciilifeform: i was hoping to rationally convince people that the totality of the project ought to be the mailing list, the totality of the mailing list ought to consist of gpg-signed ascii text, and that this includes patch sets - which, collectively, add up to the product.
mircea_popescu: can you intercept x's email for y, change subtly, release ? sure.
mircea_popescu: "nobody could be bothered to do that"
undata: mircea_popescu: I use the same for code review, even if it's a matter of emailing myself
mircea_popescu: until it becames a case of "we will hang whoever made this one byte error in bash"
decimation: asciilifeform: isn't the linux kernel still done this way?
mircea_popescu: then suddenly people discover that... wait... ?!!?!?!
asciilifeform: linus uses some turdolator or other
mircea_popescu: nah its email
asciilifeform: 'bitkeeper' ?
asciilifeform behind the times
decimation: nah he wrote git to ditch bitkeeper
decimation: but I know they discuss important patches on the kernel list
asciilifeform: well there's the answer.
asciilifeform: not plain text.
undata: you can extract a nice looking patch from git, and even email it from there
asciilifeform: and do all the linux contributors sign? i do not recall this being required
mircea_popescu: not rly.
decimation: Good question
asciilifeform: can extract != must exist canonically in that form
undata: asciilifeform: I'm saying it can provide the input to your envisioned system
undata: even automatically... via a hook.
asciilifeform: who even cares how each of us craps out his input
undata: anyhow, horse is starting to stink
asciilifeform: question is re: the canonical form.
asciilifeform: no, this horse is alive and well.
asciilifeform realizes that he is not very good at curing people of addiction to what feels to them as 'modernity'
decimation: asciilifeform: the bigger question is: who is the 'registrar' of the 'official version' - or does that merely exist in the private collection of each person's note?
undata: asciilifeform: explain; I'll listen.
asciilifeform: official version, if you like, is one (if any) that we (magic-29?) all agree to sign under.
ben_vulpes: <undata> anyhow, horse is starting to stink << what is this a reference to?
undata: ben_vulpes: dead horse, beaten
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, "official version" is redefined from * this (static) to whatever one has most wot trust towards.
asciilifeform: in practice, the only possible result
mircea_popescu: so if version x is signed by people i know and version y is signed by people i don't know, x is official and fu.
decimation: right, it's in the 'eye of the beholder'
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: if 10 sign one, but never other, and 19 (plus ninjasp4mz0r) sign the remaining - clearly schism.
undata: mircea_popescu: interesting, a fork could emerge due to a breakdown of trust
mircea_popescu: no such thing as "official" "because we say so". who;'s we.
undata: that fits the social happenings well
mircea_popescu: undata more properly said : every breakdown of trust is a fork
asciilifeform: 'we's are illusory
mircea_popescu: rather than papering over breakdowns of trust with "foundations" and "chief scientistdom"
mircea_popescu: and this puts huge pressure on trusted nodes not to break the fucking trust
decimation: undata: no one here really minds having a different opinion than 99.999% of humanity
mircea_popescu: which is essential, because our enemies are putting a lot of pressure on them to break it
undata: my main thrust is that the thing will have to be structured in some way (a db)
mircea_popescu: and you can't just expect "conscience" to resist indefinitely.
undata: doesn't have to be git
ben_vulpes: no db necessary
asciilifeform: at any rate, the fact that no one could really directly profit (imho) from this escapade - other than devils, were they to succeed - should keep things interesting
ben_vulpes: or rather
mircea_popescu: conscience is fluid. look at Luke-Jr's conscience : he lied about bfl delivering. look at gavin, etc.
undata: it could be a fancy db implemented atop the blockchain
mircea_popescu: whenever people's conscience is the only protection, the third reich is about to emerge.
decimation: asciilifeform: right, I envision it more as the collected correspondence of gentlemen scholars, rather than a profitable venture
ben_vulpes: undata: staaaahp
mircea_popescu: decimation yes. but actual gentlemen, rather than presumed gentlemen.
mircea_popescu: ie, people with titles.
undata: ben_vulpes: piles of ascii no, never, please no
asciilifeform: collected correspondence of gentlemen <<<<<
asciilifeform: undata will feel better if we 'gzip' them?
asciilifeform: then no longer piles of ascii.
decimation: folks are welcome to publish, index as they see fit
undata: I yield the balance of my time, haha
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the hatred of ascii is from anyway.
asciilifeform: comes from, as i understand, 'xml' and other pseudo-humanreadable abominations
mircea_popescu: more like utf-8 i thought
undata: no, git is a distributed database
undata: not merely a format
asciilifeform is not ignorant of 'git' mechanics, uses it (sadly) every day
asciilifeform: as in, 7 days a week.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, where the facebook page and mockups for that?!?
cazalla: maybe they meant to raise 50k facebook likes instead
ben_vulpes: i think then this discussion is settled.
ben_vulpes: there will be a base.
ben_vulpes: signed patches will released.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary ! << for the record, what are the three and which the one?
asciilifeform: which one - the one that actually 'bitcoin'ates
asciilifeform: the one which menstruates guilade - flush it
ben_vulpes: what is the bitcoinating? the part that attaches to the network, downloads and verifies the blockchain?
asciilifeform: the unspeakable cthonian horror that remains - why even think of it
mod6: asciilifeform: i like the idea of a cypherpunk-esq mailing list to propagate patches from a common release.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the part that actually enables the things we like to do with the damn thing
asciilifeform: bitcoinate.
mod6: this hasn't been done for some time, and probably needs to come back.
asciilifeform: it is the only way.
mod6 gets ready to fire up mutt!
decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't it be a good idea for the privkey need not live in the same memory space as the rest of the code, for instance
ben_vulpes: decimation: a fantastic idea.
ben_vulpes: wallets should be built atop bitcoind or equivalent.
asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines
asciilifeform: connected with serial cable
decimation: perhaps with a protocol validator in the middle
asciilifeform: but it - is not the topic
asciilifeform: topic was janitorial upkeep of classic bitcoind
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?
asciilifeform: wait this was in there?
mircea_popescu: long long ago, in a galaxy far far away
mod6: COIN WARZ
mircea_popescu: back when there weren't any enemies listening in on our lists
mircea_popescu: mpex was almost discussed
asciilifeform: it's an obvious idea, srsly
asciilifeform: or just to me
mircea_popescu: it is yes
asciilifeform: logic is one for all of us.
asciilifeform: like victory.
asciilifeform wonders if his entire life is alive somewhere in old mpex material.
mircea_popescu: the disadvantage of productivity is that it's 5am and the log is closing in on 1k lines. and yest it was nearly 3k. and jesus god it's a lot harder to go through when it's not mostly my own lines! i had no idea!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, im sure that's not the case, i never cut solid copper anythings.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: welcome to my hell.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cause normally i'm like, oh, logs, fancy that. but past few days it's been... omfg help me.
asciilifeform: protocol validator in the middle << people don't seem to get this. 'secure' is not a gigantic mechanized orchestra of quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
asciilifeform: it is 'fits in head.' and a few other things.
mircea_popescu: mechanized orchestra is a particularly good metaphore. because it never existed.
mircea_popescu: WHY did it never exist ?
asciilifeform: i asked my father as a boy
decimation: well, quite simply because the failure rate would be too high
asciilifeform: 'why no compressor for the jazz band?'
mircea_popescu: decimation eeexactly.
mircea_popescu: !up deadalus
asciilifeform: 'those trombones - how are they any different from pneumatic hammers!?!?'
asciilifeform: 'why must these poor musicians blow, strain their chests!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did he give you a sex answer ?
decimation: dijkstra would have been a fan of 'fits in head'
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i was derping with a colleague about btc payment processing recently. the topic: how to ensure the payment processor (he who tells the taco-delivery mechanism to release tacos) gets paid?
asciilifeform: dijkstra actually believed in proofs
ben_vulpes: our solution: one of the few actual uses for M/N signatures.
asciilifeform: he lived in the last days of an age of proofs
decimation: yeah but he also pretty much admits they are unworkable practically
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda reminded of the jews on toilet joke. "is this work ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually yes
ben_vulpes: funds sent to M/N address, both merchant and payment solution provider must agree upon processor fee and merchant share to disburse funds to each.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't blame him. only way out of that one.
ben_vulpes: mind you, this is a pure-btc play.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it goes on forever, like the us puritan thought pattern.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes seems dubious to me.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the three man committee to split a buck ?
ben_vulpes: no, thy enlightenment please
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDESvyj1qo <<<< mechanized orchestra. required as that's my metaphor.
assbot: : - YouTube
mircea_popescu: so, me you and stan have to split a buck. i go : fuck stan, give me 50 cents i'll sign with you.
kakobrekla: there were to be two machines connected with serial cable < heh i have such setup with a buffer on the cable
mircea_popescu: you go to stan : hey listen, he's giving you nothing. take this 5 cents sign over to me.
mircea_popescu: basically it has no stable solution.
mircea_popescu: which is how and why the us political system does not work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074164 = 13.7574 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: what if there's no third?
mircea_popescu: then it's not m of n.
cazalla: so how long until bitpay pulls that shit on the merchant
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Problem with brass instruments is not strain on chest, but strain on face.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i don't think much of the entire "multisig" bullcrap.
ben_vulpes: lol wat
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, n = 2 if there's no third.
mircea_popescu: shit. n = 1 is what i mean.
ben_vulpes: pardon?
ben_vulpes: both keys must sign for outputs to be valid.
ben_vulpes: "either we agree, or nobody gets anything."
asciilifeform: that film - is precisely about that orchestra.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes exactly.
ben_vulpes: okay, so my derpitude re: m/n aside, the thing has a stable solutino.
ben_vulpes: go on
ben_vulpes: please
mircea_popescu: well i dunno what's missing ;/
mircea_popescu: if i knew how to formalize this to be readily understanable for people i'd trilema it
mircea_popescu: but i have nfi.
asciilifeform: no stable solution <<
asciilifeform: ;;google ultimatum game
gribble: Ultimatum game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimatum_game>; What's the ultimatum game? - HowStuffWorks: <http://money.howstuffworks.com/ultimatum-game.htm>; Game Theory: The Ultimatum Game: <http://gametheory101.com/The_Ultimatum_Game.html>
ben_vulpes: the incentives are aligned! merchant and payment processor must agree to get anything out.
mircea_popescu: you contradicted yursrlf lol
mircea_popescu: you just said they're at odds.
mircea_popescu: "the incentives are alligned! they're contrary!"
ben_vulpes weeps in ignorance
mircea_popescu: let's use sex, people think easier about sex.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're with a girl that doesn't wanna fuck you.
ben_vulpes: i was going for the wot
mircea_popescu: do you suppose her mother coming to your room and saying "neither of you is to leave here until you fuck" help anything ?
decimation: asciilifeform: that's a trippy movie
ben_vulpes: i'm not savvy to this story.
mircea_popescu: which movie ?
ben_vulpes: let's try the wot.
asciilifeform: movie << linked above
ben_vulpes: merchant and processor sign agreement that proceeds shall be divvied thusly.
mircea_popescu: i had a nice script to ignore youtube links ;/
asciilifeform: 'Шкатулка с секретом' ~= 'box with secret'
mircea_popescu: NOW YOU BROKE IT
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you're going to do that why bother with m/n
mircea_popescu: just sign it from the beginning and be done with it.
ben_vulpes: insurance policy?
decimation: all this does seem to break down to something like "we want a computer to enforce a human language contract" which ain't gonna happen
mircea_popescu: dude. srsly ?
mircea_popescu: "insurance policy" ? "here's a car that doesn't work, and just to make sure, we welded to it a boat that also doesn't work" ? is this a way to live?
mircea_popescu: do something that works.
ben_vulpes: that's too big a leap for my tiny brain
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what's your favourite meal ?
ben_vulpes: boats and cars aside i think i get the "computer enforcement of human language contract"
decimation: asciilifeform: not far from you in luray, va there's a cave where some guy converted a stalactite/stalagmite gallery into an organ
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ojo de bife y vino
ben_vulpes: vino tinto
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok, suppose the chicks ake you ojo de bife, but as an insurance policy they mix cheesekace in there.
mircea_popescu: just in case you don't like it, as it were.
mircea_popescu: this work ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had a nice script to ignore youtube << that one's worth it. but you probably saw it. about same age as i did...
mircea_popescu: or do they both get spanked purple and "next fucking time do one thing and do it right"
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mircea_popescu: gr assets ? srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: ahh, the beauty of 64gb memory systems is that if they allocate 46gb they still have plenty left over.
asciilifeform: unless linux, and has to decide to not cache disk first.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sane linuxes actually use the memory. or am i missing something ?
asciilifeform: (like many things in life, invisible and harmless until fails)
mircea_popescu: swap is 1.2/29.8gb used.
asciilifeform: i often ask folks to contemplate, when they soak up 64g, what that number really means
asciilifeform: and what unspeakably-dildonic luxury 64gB is
ben_vulpes: * mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline << various engineers went on red alert over a faint whiff of gasoline earlier today
ben_vulpes: "oh my noes i can feel my brain wilting all the way over here! a scent of gasoline! in the warehouse we rent! we're all about to keel over!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im running a sort of generational modelling thing i hacked together. this is my idea of fun.
ben_vulpes: silence and an absence of complaining ensued.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol
asciilifeform was driving car, and smelled unexpected smell, took almost a minute to realize that it was it. and turned out to be next car's ruptured tank!
asciilifeform: went on like this for a few km.
decimation: good time for a car-b-q
mircea_popescu: carbeque :D
ben_vulpes: how was the scent moving with your vehicles?!
asciilifeform: both moved
asciilifeform: generational modelling << genetic algo?
mircea_popescu: of sorts
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know duct tape gets a bad rap around here, but... duct tape
ben_vulpes: but f-frictional losses?
asciilifeform secretly sins with genetic algos
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how does duct tape get a bad rap ? i used it for a sex act earlier today!
decimation: I was driving along i-95 once, saw a full carbeque in progress in the right shoulder. Three lanes over through rolled up windows the heat was uncomfortable on my face
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparelty people don't trust that it apperently comes in different qualities
BingoBoingo: !s duct tape
mircea_popescu: !s abductape
joecool: decimation: i had a truck explode in front of me on i-78, driver got out just in time, bad spot too under an overpass
mircea_popescu: did you get thrown off road ?
asciilifeform: carbeque << 'and then they summoned me / to the 'special' division / and asked 'why did you not burn up with your tank?' / to them i answered / 'in the next attack,' / 'in the next attack,' / 'i promise, i'll burn up!'
asciilifeform: (rough translation, perverted version of ru ww2-era patriotic song)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements << for pure wankeriferious interest : wouldn't supercooling it be a pill against all this ?
asciilifeform: against metastability?
joecool: mircea_popescu: opposite side, very strong heat, assuming the diesel is what caught
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html << those colors.
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joecool: not a bomb
decimation: if you were to fully extract the energy of a tank of gas going into your car at the pump, you would be getting about 22 megawatts
asciilifeform: what it even means. the fact that the two documented stable states of, e.g., flipflop (or even just inverter) are an abstraction.
decimation: Er, power, not energy
asciilifeform: think of a sheet of rubber with two dimples
asciilifeform: but in reality, there are not only two. there may be a third, and fourth, or rubber can even bend when the ball rolls on it.
asciilifeform: and make new pit to park in.
mircea_popescu: decimation mw-s only impressive for a second
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the probability to find a metastable state roughlt linear with system energy ?
mircea_popescu: (at low energies)
asciilifeform: depends on system.
asciilifeform: but given example wasn't so bad, 'molten slag' is also a metastable state.
asciilifeform: just, not the only.
asciilifeform: mw - let's work out:
decimation: no, the main issue is poor timing
asciilifeform: your engine, let's say, 300kW
decimation: or reflections, etc
asciilifeform: nice car
asciilifeform: how many times faster the spigot pours, than your fuel pump?
asciilifeform: multiply.
asciilifeform: 22mW is not unreasonable figure
asciilifeform: (how long it takes to fill your car? how long, on the road, to empty it?)
assbot: The Lansey Brothers' Blog: The gas station pumps energy at ~22 Megawatts
decimation: 34.8 mJ * 10 us gal / 1 min
asciilifeform: like so.
decimation: this is one reason why batteries suck
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts << lulzy, what's the story on this?
asciilifeform: go find something other than chemical fuel that you can charge at 22 MW but won't discharge unexpectedly at 22 MW.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off << lol what a plan for the future.
asciilifeform: hey about as good as mine.
mircea_popescu: you write for qntra ?
decimation: pumping gas is the same as borrowing about 2% of a reasonable nuclear generator
decimation: at 1 gigawatt
asciilifeform: (re: qntra)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra grows, I buy chickens and strange hardware. Nothing wrong with that.
asciilifeform: was re: plan.
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason civilisation is built on oil.
asciilifeform: my plan is to think of a plan once i have a plan to think of a plan.
mircea_popescu: ^ sounds like you should be on kickstarter.
asciilifeform: or, earlier, if i've something to work with
BingoBoingo: Chickens have strong foreclaws, powerful warriors for D.A.G.
asciilifeform: directed acyclic graph?
asciilifeform: or 'dirac angestun gesept'
BingoBoingo: The latter
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron o hey how did radio go.
assbot: 1 Clock Domain Crossing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fear the avaians, but not for their flu. They know of their McNugget futures and choose otherwise!
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. incidentally this is why we can't really do asynchronous logic (e.g. muller's gate) on extant fpga.
mircea_popescu: undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain << this was recently in full display in the ukraine, and then later in iraq. except both ukrainians and iraquis are, as a stock, more resilient than the us guy.
asciilifeform: decimation: i even think i explained this very thing to someone here, once.
asciilifeform: long ago.
mircea_popescu: undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities <<< should be interesting to hear more of this.
decimation: yeah. digital circuits are not ideal 0/1 gates, they are analog computers
mircea_popescu: undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work << obviously not. it just starts working for me instead ?
asciilifeform: the digital computer is a beautiful dream. good and well, but you can't dream the dream without some 'meat' to dream it with.
decimation: the thing is, the us military only looks impressive because it has 'support'
decimation: in the same sense that the wasp guy did
decimation: without that support, and with dwindling oil supplies, what you gonna do?
mircea_popescu: undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse. << not after, honey. a decade after. that decade is important.
mircea_popescu: decimation generally high efficiency is obtained at the cost of high fragility. the jit system is a fine exampel of the principle.
mircea_popescu: essentially to get "really good" at one thing you define a narrow thing to be good at.
mircea_popescu: then you end up engaged in the middle east trying to do another thing,
mircea_popescu: and everyone's pointing and laughing at your apparent inability, notwithstanding immense expenditure, not leat of all of your own god damned effort.
decimation: right, randomly destroy the support for the existing 'ability' and you see rapid nonlinear fragmentation
decimation: not graceful linear degradation
BingoBoingo: Predicted used for Deedbot: 1. Declarations of giving a fuck 2. Claiming swaths of US land 3. #b-a related corp financial statements
mircea_popescu: so yeah, if washington goes or stays is irrelevant, but if the obnoxious sissy faggots currently in the general staff are all raped and hanged the army will suddenly see its mission redefined much widerly
mircea_popescu: and in that redefinition it will signifcantly increase in strength.
decimation: without a single tank being moved
mircea_popescu: in fact, it wil happen not merely in spite of gas shortages
mircea_popescu: but because of gas shortages.
mircea_popescu: yugoslav army was not 1/6 as effectual as the same god damned units, except now commanded by the war criminals.
asciilifeform: folks who are not 'armchair general' scholars of nato idiocy may be surprised to learn the extent to which the entire edifice was built - still is built - to 'blow its wad' against ussr in no more than a 3 week period.
undata: mircea_popescu: I think we agree then.
asciilifeform: and then die
asciilifeform: of hunger, thirst
asciilifeform: boredom.
mircea_popescu: undata good to hear.
undata: I was arguing that "those piles of weapons" commanded by whomever will remain
undata: and likely operate without the freedom-loving layer of bullshit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, pretty much every single gi item has fulda fucking stamped on it.
mircea_popescu: invisible, yet present.
asciilifeform: operate - to guard col. ripper's shiny new harem and wineyard - yes
asciilifeform: to 'take dallas' - why?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory is any guide, it will be more to settle wot disputes than anything.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cousin spent 2005 - 2009 as an active duty Marine. Spent two years on a boat in blue water, "just in case"
decimation: my point is simply that there's no way the us military would be effective against its own people, it would fracture
mircea_popescu: harem does not need guarding, not in that context. btches know enough not to get messy at that juncture.
asciilifeform: harem as in physical structure
mircea_popescu: decimation doubt it. croatian military didn't "fracture". nor did serbian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it seriouslt doesn't need so much defense. would be smartasses are well shy
asciilifeform: many places will get things they don't strictly need.
asciilifeform: or think they need
mircea_popescu: sure. so they do today. business as usual.
mircea_popescu: no, i tell you, it'll be "colonel X of Y promised major Z of K delivery of m then reneged. who the fuck does he think he is ? charge!"
mircea_popescu: because if you don't charge might as well shave, oil up and go to the harem.
asciilifeform: basic point - what keeps col. x from turning his division on the white house, for shits & giggles?
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In Napoleon's army mustaches
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that his division is valuable and the wh is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: what should have kept hitler from digging the desert looking for the holy grail ?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's << boss you got a funny memory
asciilifeform: may well have perverse meaning to col. x
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my memory's my best part!
asciilifeform: herr schicklegruber had a nonzero grail budget
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. perversity and sanity are unsisters.
decimation: right, but what does general y have to say about what col x. does?
asciilifeform: by some accounts
BingoBoingo: decimation: Various general were replaced by cigarette smoking men in suits
asciilifeform: today - col. x won't blow away wh because he has an imaginary retirement with hunting dogs and cocksuckresses living in the spiderwebby recesses of his balding skull.
mircea_popescu: ha! hahahah get out.
asciilifeform: tomorrow - the spiderwebs clear away. no dogs
asciilifeform: no retirement.
decimation: my point is that col. x is much more likely to appoint himself 'mayor of dallas' and send a polite 'fuck you' to the remaining chain of command
mircea_popescu: find me any army colonel that gets... cocksuckressES. plural ? gtfo.
asciilifeform: in his mind.
mircea_popescu: what was that caricature, army wife ?
mircea_popescu: dependosaurus ?
BingoBoingo: ;;google dependopotamus
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just a picture read from the faces of actual living specimens i saw alive
BingoBoingo: ;;google terminal lance dependopotamus
gribble: Terminal Lance #56 “Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus”: <http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/>; Sunday Funny: the Dependopatamus | Kit Up!: <http://kitup.military.com/2012/01/sunday-funny-dependopatamus.html>; overview for magress - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/user/magress>
ben_vulpes: why do dependopotamuses have sex in the water?
asciilifeform: dependopotamus is a real creature which infests privates, not colonels.
asciilifeform: typically.
mircea_popescu: generally the hussies flock to the businessmen rather than the warlords. at least from what i've directly observed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of a colonel that wasn't ever a private.
decimation: mircea_popescu: this is regularlly the case in us mil
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: himmler?
decimation: colonels are appointed directly from university
ben_vulpes: well gents you have a good one
decimation: it's rare one finds an officer who was first enlished
ben_vulpes: i have a charter to dream up
decimation: enlisted
cazalla: heh brock piere be retweeing qntra now lol
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes we're writing for when you get up!
decimation: it happens, but not common
BingoBoingo: Well in Usia Colonels usually start as Lou-Tenants
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah go fuck yourselves
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 2nd lt is private neh ?
ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to read all these lines i didn't write?!
decimation: 2nd lt is the eqiv. of 'officer private'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes with attention! these are actually the good ones!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, its commisioned
asciilifeform: in usa, 'private' is rank of the cannon fodder man, fresh off the street
mircea_popescu thinks he pushed his point far enough, rests.
BingoBoingo: 2nd Lt often is platoon leader
decimation: with no actual military experience other than officer boot camp
BingoBoingo: I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable
mircea_popescu: undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up <<< this is some massively funny shit.
asciilifeform: decimation: i once learned, to great surprise, that as late as '70s i'd quality for an instant lieutenant if joined american army - all you needed was an ordinary uni degree (4 yrs.)
mircea_popescu: you actually think this is what putin did ?! or russian prole thought he did ?!
undata: mircea_popescu: correct me. I'd like to know.
asciilifeform: decimation: this, i think, was repealed.
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, they would pay you a bonus which you are generally required to spend on a ford mustang
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you the 20 year sergeants are pretty fucking happy with that o.O
asciilifeform: very 'happy.'
decimation: asciilifeform: no they still make you go through 'officer canidate school' which is boot camp lite
mircea_popescu: undata well, it's a lengthy matter, hard to fit in one line or w/e. but let me find you this thing about stalin.
asciilifeform: in those days, it was a kind of compressed 'crash course.'
mircea_popescu: !s stalin from:asciilifeform
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decimation: if you are a 'professional' like doctor or pharmacist it's pretty much just show up in uniform and learn how to salute
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wher's the one where you discuss people driving a truck with the man's pic ? because he makes order ?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'warrant officer'
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decimation: no no warrant officer is generally a rank reserved only for highly qualified enlisted men
mircea_popescu: undata ^ there you go. he didn't say anything about oligarchs. he just promised order.
mircea_popescu: this is a subtle concept. like the platonic notion of cosmos, an ordered universe.
decimation: although I think there were various times when it applied to technical experts
mircea_popescu: the main thing is that this de facto promises that every phenomenon carries meaning.
undata: mircea_popescu: ah, not revenge, just a return to function?
mircea_popescu: because unmeaning phenomena are very bothersome to simple folk.
undata: this goes back to the conversation recently about the concerns of a soldier at war
decimation: right, and the question is: is col x. with his own local agenda going to provide meaning or is gen y. in far away disaster-land?
mircea_popescu: maybe. distance dampens meaning.
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decimation: without reliable air transport and crumbling land-transport, america is a big place
mircea_popescu: a lot to signify, and rapidly deteriorating common language. not in the sense of english,
mircea_popescu: but in the sense of, this feat where random high functrioning idiots like the kent guy quoted earier suddenly buy the common delusion of "global warming" becomes impossible.
decimation: right, I envison something like revolutionary france where the king is derping around paris and all of the peasants suddenly decide not to pay their taxes or heed property rights
asciilifeform: 'stalin did not recede into the past - he dissolved into the future!' (de gaulle ?)
mircea_popescu: the fundamental function of the rabi (which is what stalin was, practically, at the massive outskirts) is not going away.
mircea_popescu: and it does really not matter what sort of an ass the rabi is privately.
mircea_popescu: !up eightyeight
mircea_popescu: but the fact that the average person is not fascinated by congressional proceedings, let alone comprehend them at all, is a serious warning sign.
mircea_popescu: if you recall, back when the us functioned people went to see wtf jefferson said as their evening's entertainment
asciilifeform: well, people. not 'people.'
mircea_popescu: how is this then to be leadership ? because tradition-tradition ? mkay. only goes so far.
asciilifeform: homo redditicus was not yet born in his homunculus factory.
undata: "the dissolution of shared meaning" << this is a wonderful description of what's at work here
mircea_popescu: once the young sluts radicalise it's the end. which is why the teenaged runaway chgicks are so important.
BingoBoingo: Allegedly policical speech makes the evening newscast with alleged attribution
asciilifeform: it was why i linked them.
undata: what's the next step? doesn't someone come along and become that meaning for them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reddit is an effect not a cause.
undata: and don't they long for it?
undata: I recall the "need to belong" also from the other day
asciilifeform: reddit is effect, yes
mircea_popescu: undata only if such can exist. i very much doubt it can.
BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier
asciilifeform: just like the drool of a drooling retard is an effect
asciilifeform: but still synonymous with retardation
mircea_popescu: granted.
decimation: I think such men can exist for localities
mircea_popescu: basically, the great federal project failed, the national project never succeeded, what's left is a sort of us of africa.
decimation: but right now the federal government means nothing but taxation and disorder to the majority of the populace
mircea_popescu: worst failed state in the history of european adventure, the us.
undata: there is a wide swath of the south that could easily start eating each other should the walmarts run dry
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The more I read on Argentina, the more it seems like what the US said it was going to be
decimation: agreed. and private Y. is going to be mulling these things over when he and his friends are getting killed over some vague pro-climate change agenda or whatever
mircea_popescu: undata why the south preferentially ?
Adlai: +BingoBoingo | I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable // true in the idf too
mircea_popescu: my bet is on chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism.
asciilifeform: also depends on how quickly us mil can retool for formally organized plunder
Adlai: why not detroit? or mogadishu?
mircea_popescu: Adlai detroit is stable as is. in fact if it does collapse, detroit will be the new capital.
mircea_popescu: they have the druglords to support order.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Detroit now has some farms within city limits too
undata: mircea_popescu: chicago gangs could at least hope to establish some kind of crude order
undata: yeah
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. there are powerful incentives for local col. x to 'defect' and become the warlord of kansas or whatever
undata: there are parts of the southern US that are just... astoundingly ignorant
mircea_popescu: decimation which, you'll notice, is exactly how the roman empire went.
Adlai: well, i doubt the US would let its capitol be ruled by local cartels, but they might be a capital of an independant state
asciilifeform: chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism << washington cannibalism - best cannibalism...
mircea_popescu: undata ignorance doth not a criminal make.
undata: they would not be capable of any kind of cobbled-together society
asciilifeform: a la 'best korea'
undata: mircea_popescu: what about hungry ignorance?
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts, having been there.
Adlai still maintains that human society is cannibalistic, we just don't eat flesh directly
mircea_popescu: undata nah, new york and california will be the shitholes.
mircea_popescu: rural missisippi wprolly be quite pleasant.
decimation: yeah I think the south and west would survive the best
mircea_popescu: generally, go to the places currently "ignorant", you'll be safe there.
decimation: rally the wagons, fuck you to outsiders, plenty of resources, not a crushing population density
mircea_popescu: their alleged ignorance is merely unallignment. not being alligned with the idiocy that just failed is a bonus.
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asciilifeform: Adlai would be pleased to read the works of soviet academician Porshnev
mircea_popescu: this was kinda the boon of romania. the slowest sheep in the eu flock.
mircea_popescu: as a result, when the flock went over a cliff... romania was still way behind.
Adlai: asciilifeform: any specific one?
undata: mircea_popescu: I see your point; my parents have a farm in rural PA. It would take about three weeks for the more dangerous (meth-addled) neighbors to be quiet.
asciilifeform: who argued, almost convincingly, that cannibalism shaped all of human history (e.g., fire was discovered to fight the cannibal half of humanity, who then morphed into sc4mz0rs or the like)
asciilifeform: Adlai: afaik, as with most soviet crackpots, no translation to english exists
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shit, you read my article about how fire was used to cookl ?
asciilifeform: tried using fire to cook, though
asciilifeform: it worked.
mircea_popescu: o you'll get a kick out of this.
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Adlai: well that's a nice crackocy, but i'm talking about the fact that upscale anglophonia lives off the sweat of other societies
mircea_popescu: "Ca atare, in baza acestor observatii, bomba : cel mai probabil prima carne gatita a fost de om, nu de animal. A cazut vre-o proasta-n foc"
Adlai is using "societies" to refer to other classes within and without anglophonia
mircea_popescu: Adlai why misuse the term then.
asciilifeform: de om, nu de animal << ahahaha porshnev
decimation: Adlai: it certainly is the case that the 'upscale (blue)' class in the us takes advantage of the labor & genius of the 'smart unaligned rednecks'
undata: mircea_popescu: oh, and florida is in the american south.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i swear never read him.
undata: there are highly populated areas throughout the south
asciilifeform believes
mircea_popescu: but... one logic, one mouth, one fie.
BingoBoingo: undata: But Florida man is a hero of ancient legend
asciilifeform: 'one mouth, one fie' a la american saying 'one shot, one kill' lol
undata: BingoBoingo: hah, he will rise and rule the cock of the continent
asciilifeform: http://www.new-cccp.ru/warb/1261.jpg << incidentally not only american saying.
Adlai: the relationship is quite similar to that of an agricultural society herding cattle
Adlai: mircea_popescu: why misuse the term << the term is misused to shock the audience, a technique you seem to enjoy yourself...
mircea_popescu: vrag!!! (aka enemy)
asciilifeform: incidentally that phrase (in picture) doesn't translate one bit.
asciilifeform: just fails.
mircea_popescu: Adlai not quite, no.
asciilifeform: 'hit such that ain't there one bullet but there's one enemy.'
asciilifeform: [to match it]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "shoot not to the shots but to the enemies" neh ?
asciilifeform: looks like that, yes. but no - above.
mircea_popescu: as in, don't shoot to have shot, shoot to have killed.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: oh come on, your blog is full of metaphors that shock the average netizen encountering it for the first time
mircea_popescu: Adlai this is true. but when i redefine terms i always do it with a solid backing of thought behind it, and my redefinitions are actually cognitively stronger than the current convention.
mircea_popescu: these considerations are important, i can't be immitated by merely taking pictures.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: You only think that because you're still looking at the rabbit hole and not harvesting the coneys therin
Adlai: ok, so what's wrong with looking at farming individuals of your own species as a form of cannibalism?
mircea_popescu: Adlai this was discussed in the logs :D
mircea_popescu: !s bullocks
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 18:16:29; nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock
mircea_popescu: but anyway, at issue was the misuse of "societies" to mean "groups", not of cannibalism.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: It isn't cannibalism if you merely plan to take them to the rendering plant for fuel and not the abbatoir for meat
Adlai: no, not according to the current dictionary definition of cannibalism
decimation: cooking someone in your stomach is different than cooking them in your car?
Adlai: though i'm misusing the term intentionally, my misuse is well-defined
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're on a... slippery slope, so to speak. for most of history women were merely used to make more of them.
mircea_popescu: seeing how for same most of the history man was the engine, it's technically using women as fuel.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or merely a lubricated slope
BingoBoingo: Man uses homo sapiens, ethics is the discussion of acceptable uses
Adlai recalls a calculation in Collapse that egyptian pharoes had at their disposal approximately the same level of manpower as a single piece of modern construction equipment (eg bulldozer)
mircea_popescu: i kinda doubt this calculation.
mircea_popescu: omfg i finished the logs.
BingoBoingo: How does it feel?
mircea_popescu: it feels... good.
assbot: James Brown - I Feel Good (Legends of Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube
Adlai pokes around to see if he hasn't lent out his copy
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why all this bile directed at fertile women ?
assbot: 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog
Adlai: which bile/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Homo redditicus has trouble accepting it has an origin story
mircea_popescu: "While dimwitted, the Dependopotamus is a shrewd beast who knows that there is one surefire way to trap a man: Bear as many of his offspring as possible. Since having a baby in the military is free thanks to the dependency benefits, she’ll be in a constant state of hosting and developing new fetuses that she isn’t certain are from her husband or one of her many lovers."
mircea_popescu: this echoes an older argument brought by say shaw, in much blander prose.
mircea_popescu: sure, the female can be seen as a preditor. in that it ingests and keeps the sperm, sure.
undata: mircea_popescu: this is the insecurity of many men, that if they can't keep their woman, it must be the wretched whore's fault.
mircea_popescu: this is more of a novelty / gentleman's amusing musings, than actual you know, life philosoph.y
mircea_popescu: undata it's not even clear if the author wants her to stay or to go.
undata: he wants to be worshiped by something he hates, undeservedly
mircea_popescu: undeservedly which ?
Adlai: !g george carlin pumping out a unit
mircea_popescu: (now say undeservedly both and get in the bash)
undata: twas both
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think you wrote on geek wanting to be gifted a woman in his closet who doesn't need for anything. Dependopotamus trope is the inverse of that.
mircea_popescu: seems so.
BingoBoingo: The actual geeks revulsion with sctual women
Adlai: ;;google george carlin pumping out a unit
mircea_popescu: "She is extremely fertile but should be on a list of human beings who aren’t allowed to reproduce because her genes are toxic and will only perpetuate more parasites throughout society."
gribble: George Carlin - 2008 - Pumping out a unit - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwm-eXbakdg>; RIP George Carlin - Kids - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIXlwYoOV9k>; George Carlin - Feminist Blowjob Lyrics - Songs | Most Popular: <http://artists.letssingit.com/george-carlin-lyrics-feminist-blowjob-rnh9pn8>
mircea_popescu: all this pop science. toxic genes, seriously ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai ya, but then again carlin's not exactly the marrying kind.
assbot: George Carlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: heh my bad
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways with the dependopatomus I don't think the jealousy comes from them resenting what their actual highschool classmates had when they weren't in the service, but jealousy of what the hollywood version of the rest of their high school class ahd.
BingoBoingo: ANd on that note, bed time
mircea_popescu: !up AdamIRAway
xinxi: hi
Adlai: morning xinxi
xinxi: morning
xinxi: you guys are still not sleeping?
xinxi: i guess most of you are from the US, right?
xinxi: it should be very late there.
Adlai: it's always morning on freenode
mircea_popescu: we're all on meth.
xinxi: mircea_popescu - did you watch breaking bad?
mircea_popescu: one episode at some point.
xinxi: then bored?
mircea_popescu: sitcoms, not really my cup of tea.
xinxi: i like the way that they make meth. it’s quite educational.
mircea_popescu: !up Tom_Servo
mircea_popescu: nice host lol.
xinxi: i would probably get higher marks in chemistry if i watched that tv a few years earier.
xinxi: and i woudn’t need to do bayesian stuffs everyday.
mircea_popescu: o btw, did you manage to score a qntra article yet ?
xinxi: mircea_popescu - let me check the public offering first.
xinxi: btw, will anyone proofread my writing?
Adlai: xinxi: sure
Adlai: xinxi: it's not educational at all, methylamine synthesis yields a racemic product
assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net
undata: cazalla: oh the term un(der)?banked makes my skin crawl
undata: great piece of propaganda from the banking industry, that.
undata: the tobacco industry should try 'unsmoked'
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cazalla: undata, unsmoked lol
undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated"
assbot: Understanding Quid Pro Quo - Gary Galles - Mises Daily
assbot: The Boswell Sisters - Stop the sun, stop the moon (1932).wmv - YouTube
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RagnarDanneskjol: [Neural Turing Machines ]
Adlai: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
Adlai: xinxi: still need a pair of eyes for your article?
xinxi: Adlai - thanks. it’s about qntra.net
Adlai: ... so?
Adlai: you asked for proofreading, i'm offering it
xinxi: i am not sure whether it’s neccessary.
Adlai: ok
Adlai (does not expect any kind of compensation)
xinxi: let’s see what will happen, if it’s really neccessary, i think then you can help.
RagnarDanneskjol: [C/C++ Thread Safety Analysis ]
Adlai: pdfs!
Adlai: latest chromium has an embedded pdf viewer, pissing me off. i used to click pdfs without worry, knowing that they'd get downloaded and i could process them safely later (pdf2djvu, open in vm, w/e)
Adlai: now chromium just fucking opens them of its own accord, who knows what fuckery goes on there
RagnarDanneskjol: yea- annoying I kno
bounce: apropos of nothing, is there any evidence of secret agencies sponsoring production of spy fiction?
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: radio, he avoids talking about bitcoin with me and sticks to getting me to say politically incorrect things about the Bible
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: bounce: undoubtedly
Vexual: ;;google dictionary sponsor
gribble: Sponsor | Define Sponsor at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sponsor>; Sponsor - Merriam-Webster Online: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sponsor>; sponsor - definition of sponsor by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sponsor>
punkman: bounce, it's rather amazing how many tv shows revolve around cops
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Adlai: !s AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 04:40:52; assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Adlai: so assbot can access its own logs, but it has lost the capacity to amaze itself
Vexual: lost and never found cannot be the same
cazalla: Adlai: cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/#comment-138 <<< approved it, i'll have a think, too late here to reply and i'd bet others here can provide more insight than i anyway
assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net
Adlai: okthx
davout: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
Vexual: Adlai, it's like rocking up with a shopify plugin to a game of craps
Adlai: uwot
Vexual: theye confused the unbanked with people in africa who own half a goat
assbot: Hard Money: Deflation or Economic Stagnation | PHILOSOPHICAL ECONOMICS
punkman: fractional reserve goat
Vexual: oh they'll bet it alright
Vexual: but a goats worth more than the money, just like a carton of beer here in oz, or a bitcoin
Vexual: if i provide services for a carton, and recieve a pineapple, thats bullshit
Vexual: ;;google pineapple $50
gribble: Appendix:Australian English terms pertaining to money and wealth ...: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Australian_English_terms_pertaining_to_money_and_wealth>; Australian fifty-dollar note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_fifty-dollar_note>; Great Australian Slang Dictionary | CNN Travel: <http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/life/great- (1 more message)
cazalla: help a mate move, you better believe that's a carton or 2
Vexual: fuck oath
Vexual: point is, if he turns up without the beer it's one less mate
Vexual: i'd like to know what this steve eregard thinks he's saying when he says underbanked
cazalla: holy fuck these kids http://vimeo.com/109731596
punkman: poor kids
Vexual: thats aweful
Vexual: the emPHAsis is all wrong
jurov: lol reminded me today's facebook outrage
Vexual: what happened?
jurov: ofc a lawyer with two degrees fell for this
Vexual: bit early isn't it?
jurov: Vexual the context is that theres a hysteria that moral corruption comes from west
jurov: amd Norway is funding some liberal NGOs around from the oil moeny
Vexual: i thought st nick was from the north?
jurov: and this is 99% a hoax
jurov: scandinavia is "teh west" for us
Vexual: yes thankyou, im aware of that
Vexual: i jest
jurov: lol vex at loss of words?
Vexual: santas a leftie?
jurov: depends which one? dunno about the coca cola addict?
Vexual: i don't know that one
Vexual: oh yes
Vexual: the image came to me
jurov: keep em coming
jurov: Дед Мороз is more interesting. pediwikia says: in 1928 Ded Moroz was declared "an ally of the priest and kulak"
jurov: currently he's involved in "on-going détente with various counterparts from other cultures, such as the Estonian Santa Claus (Jõuluvana or "Old man of Christmas"), the Finnish Santa Claus (Joulupukki or "Yule Goat"), and other Santa Claus, Father Christmas, and Saint Nicholas figures"
jurov: when my dirty imagination sees a french word in such context...
Vexual: theres about 400 punchlines there, context?
jurov: just take a sip
Vexual: I'll save you a bottle
Vexual: did you hear what our elf of a leader said to putin?
jurov: prolly not
Vexual: he told the newspapers that hed "shirtfront" him; a violent football term for grabbing the opponent by the shirtfront with a twisting motion
jurov: heh... shoulda gone straight for balls
Vexual: well he sent the foreign minister to apologise a week later
Vexual: shes pushing 50 and weighs 40 kg
xinxi: Mark Zuckerberg speaks Chinese.
Vexual: Meng Fei wouldn't let him speak
Vexual: "perhaps next year"
Vexual: No, I am wrong, he speaks well
xinxi: yeah, his chinese is not bad.
xinxi: Meng Fei? you mean the beauty selection tv program?
Vexual: ofcourse
xinxi: do you watch it?
Vexual: yes
xinxi: oh, nice to meet another chinese people here.
Vexual: I am not chinese
nubbins`: <undata> "partisans" have no chance << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWE8Gdp8_g
assbot: LEONARD COHEN - Partisan (1970)-Dedicated to the Matala Festival - YouTube
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assbot: . . . and the Cross-Section of Expected Returns
assbot: Coinbase is in trouble... but it's their own damn fault. : Bitcoin
Vexual: eat sleep rage repeat
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #56 Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus
nubbins`: the authors of these "dependopotamus" articles are maybe the saddest spectacle i've ever seen
nubbins`: because you know they're all telling the tales of their own sad, shitty, ill-thought-out lives
bounce: so why bother?
nubbins`: why stare at a car crash?
nubbins`: morbid fascination, natch
Vexual: i roll past withought a glance in lifeful delight
Vexual: read about it on qntra later
bounce: there's better stuff to be read. see arrse.co.uk, say their wiki or the forum stuff about "walting"
nubbins`: each dependopotamus husband sowed the seeds of his own misfortune, yet presents his life as something that "happened" "to" him, rather than it being a direct consequence of his poor choices
nubbins`: "i'm a useless sack of camo shit who married the first woman who showed a passing interest, because my relationship choices are about as logically sound as my career choices. somehow, this is my new shitty wife's fault and not my own shitty fault"
nubbins`: "The Dependopotamus is a paradox. She is an utterly useless woman with a high sense of entitlement and self-importance." <<< completely and utterly unlike the guy who wrote this article, huh?
Vexual: this vodka went thru the carbon at about 10c
Vexual: it's good
Vexual: nubbins`: ive got a barrel of the kremlin shit, you wanna do a label?
Vexual: fuck it, ill remember what it is
RagnarDanneskjol: where do you buy vodka by the barrel
Vexual: got bitcoin?
Vexual: you could take a lada and head north with this shit, it's currency and fuel
Vexual: 90 proof if im a day old
RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like a party
Vexual: I'll save you a bottle
xinxi: Vexual - you are not chinese? then you watch the translated tv program?
Vexual: do you drink xinxi, i guess not
Vexual: yes i watch with suctitles
Vexual: *subtitles
xinxi: yeah, I drank a lot when i was an undergraduate student.
xinxi: drank until vomit
Vexual: did it help you analyse intelligence?
Vexual: yes thats not good
xinxi: that’s difficult to say. maybe it helps.
xinxi: causal inference is difficult.
Vexual: it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently?
xinxi: by process do you mean digest?
Vexual: erm, im not sure, i was looking for the right word
Vexual: i can't talk i get silly on the stuff all the time
xinxi: it finally becomes urine. that’s for sure.
Vexual: hehe thats true
xinxi: where are you Vexual?
xinxi: south east asia?
Vexual: northern australia
Vexual: so yes almost se asia
xinxi: oh, i don’t know non-chinese australian also watch feichengwurao.
xinxi: do you like the girls?
Vexual: oh it's very popular here
Vexual: yes
xinxi: are they pretty?
Vexual: yes
xinxi: haha, who do you like the most?
Vexual: i havent watched for a while, i don't know who is on it
Vexual: i like to watch to learn about china
xinxi: is it because of the beauties?
Vexual: well i like the discourse
Vexual: but the beauties make it palatable
Vexual: beth
Vexual: both
Vexual: they are all so different
Vexual: i learn about different cities by the way they speak
xinxi: interesting, so the tv program is also quite educational.
xinxi: but many girls of them like money quite much.
xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike.
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Vexual: well the girls are a subset that like to be on tv
kakobrekla: >In Slovenia the name Ded Moroz was translated from Russian as Dedek Mraz
xinxi: yeah, there are also many good girls.
kakobrekla: > Initially he was said to live in Siberia, but with the Informbiro crisis and the schism between Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union his home was relocated to Mt. Triglav, Slovenia's (and also Yugoslavia's) highest peak.
kakobrekla: hehehe
Vexual: can we equare Ded Moroz to Meng Fei xinxi?
Vexual: *equate
Vexual: kakobrekla is calling upon your intelligence
xinxi: is Meng Fei that good?
Vexual: nevermnd i googles it and its snata clause
Vexual: yes i like him
Vexual: he would be good at parties, inlike santacaluse
xinxi: yeah, they are quite different.
xinxi: Meng Fei has great personality
xinxi: but not santa
Vexual: yes h eeats magic mushrooms and provides no conversation whatsoever
Vexual: i need a new keyboard, perhaps jurov will bring me one
jurov: Vexual it'll get incinerated at customs due to biohazard
Vexual: ah thats a vexualism
Vexual: order a kb from jurov, get coal
xiando: omg $1227 they are attacking gold
Vexual: no annual fee
Vexual: huh? what do you mean xiando!
xiando: I mean they are selling the gold.
Vexual: oh thats just ben10
xinxi: … I have 20 oz
xiando: I have no gold and neither do you xinxi
Vexual: he said he haz 20 oz
xiando: yes
Vexual: so he prolly haz 20 oz
xiando: now I know he has 20 oz and all I need is a $2 hammer and his address to get it
xiando: so my advice is to repeat after me: "I haz no gold"
Vexual: well i dunno if you noticeced but were getting friendly
xiando: :-) sorry. I just alwasy recommend saying "I have no gold"
Vexual: say what you like, if that shit goes missing..
xinxi: xiando, my gold was bought a few years ago
xinxi: but i did not sell it when the price reached $1700
Vexual: i own no gold
nubbins`: "I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lau[g]hing on a bike."
nubbins`: leel
Vexual: nubbins` is opposite
nubbins`: i like bikes and i like laughing
nubbins`: and i think BMWs are for people with no external genitalia
nubbins`: and the furnace at the tenant's house is fucked, which i do not like
xinxi: OK, I will never buy a BMW.
kakobrekla: there is also bmw bikes :)
Vexual: if you do, get an m3
nubbins`: kako only in yoorup
kakobrekla: dunno
Vexual: we have them here
nubbins`: i've never seen one in .ca
Vexual: cops rode em till they got susies
Vexual: oh la la
Vexual likes the sentiment, can plaace the anti-shake
Vexual: *can't
nubbins`: whoa same face
Vexual: play it
kakobrekla: old as fuck, i missed it.
Vexual: is that your nubbins`?
nubbins`: kakobrekla lel x 1000
nubbins`: Vexual nope just an interesting tx
nubbins`: check the inputs
Vexual: nothings familiar, what am i looking at?
asciilifeform: a miner
nubbins`: a bunch of coins freshly minted 4 years ago, moving.
Vexual: satoshin?
wywialm: hello
nubbins`: all the inputs are from late 2010
Vexual: okay, i wasn't born then, fill me in
nubbins`: no hidden meaning here, literally just a mildly interesting tx.
Vexual: oh thats the whole story?
Vexual: cool
nubbins`: is it? 8)
Vexual: whaa?
Vexual: not at all
nubbins`: mildly interesting tho, hey?
Vexual: alll minted? pineapples?
Vexual: fuck me
nubbins`: rather not
Vexual: i wouldnt
nubbins`: you say that now
Vexual: 2010 black says different
Vexual: this kbs claged
mats_cd03: 10:50:27 <+Vexual> it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently? << some asians lack the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme
Vexual: ah thats what i was thinking of
assbot: Alcohol dehydrogenase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mats_cd03: irc on the pooper
Vexual: shit up a storm
mats_cd03: feels good man
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7xkvc1RlI eat beans and rice, shit up a storm
Vexual: reminder
Vexual: gotta have beans
nubbins`: where else ya gonna get your protein, quinoa?!
nubbins`: mats_cd03 dat mobile link
Vexual: not likely
mats_cd03: i was poopin and forgot to fix the link
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sucks huh.
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse natural concentrations of power or wealth that come from either being smarter or more savvy or luckier or starting with more power or wealth or reputation with systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests."
Vexual: yea i herd him on the radio
nubbins`: that's a difficult one to parse
Vexual: the dj sucke dharder
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "i don't believe i suck because i suck, let me rephrase this five thousand different ways maybe one sticks"
mircea_popescu: in my experience beating slaves into submission, two types are clearly apparent. one is interested in stopping the beatings, and will change in any way necessary. the other is interested in arguing about how the beatings should stop.
Vexual: oh lookout tomservo qntra ops
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Which radio show was that in reference to?
mircea_popescu: type two changes into type one around the third day mark.
TomServo: Vexual: Pardon?
mircea_popescu: TomServo something danielpbarron was on yest, dank something
Vexual: you're right tommo
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse (natural concentrations of (power or wealth) that come from either being (smarter or more savvy or luckier or (starting with more (power or wealth or reputation)))) with (systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests)."
mircea_popescu: "i think lots of people confuse good hierarchy with bad hierarchy" to be followed by a) i am the one to establish which is good and which is bad, b) it's okay for me to use "does it recognise me as god-king" as a criteria of whether it's good or bad, c) the fact that i can and do argue against ANY hierarchy does not invalidate my methods.
Vexual: you were holdring chanops on the undregisered #qntra
Vexual: seems you left
mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, is mp on rape, all that discussion about how the ignorant don't know what they're ignorant of and therefore can't make choices as to what to learn and how to learn it. which is why mp is so unpopular with this particular crowd of retards.
TomServo: Oh ahah, yeah - wasn't sure how/why I ended up with the ops either.
Vexual: its just irc business
Vexual: tomservo: in the past its been considered bad form to leave without passing operator stautus to another
Vexual: so on a new chan you op everyone, and you were the las out
Vexual: this aint cute japanese qualifier chan
Vexual: this aint hashtag (n)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49586 @ 0.00073986 = 36.6867 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: and im sure as fuck not gonna register #qntra
Vexual: keep it alive oldschool
nubbins`: back in my day...
Vexual: loaf of bread was 25cents
TomServo: Vexual: It wasn't intentional, my host was disconnected. Muhbad.
Vexual: hey i don't give a fuck, im impressed you strayed on for so long
Vexual: ;;date TomServo
gribble: Error: "date" is not a valid command.
Vexual: when youre the last one out, leave the light on
mircea_popescu: !up ziggamon
bounce: the pill against people establishing themselves as god-kings is you establishing yourself as a god-king, while making fun of the others?
mircea_popescu: i hate how life is filled with double standards. If a girl fucks a bunch of guys she's a whore. if I do, i'm gay. wtf?!
mircea_popescu: bounce that's all a matter of perspective.
mircea_popescu: god-kings exist exactly in the same sense "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor.
bounce: the rich are simply too busy slinging subtle and oh-so-refined insults at each other
bounce: ancient nobility, of course. nouveau riche and such are party poopers because the insults go over their heads.
mircea_popescu: all that matters is perspective!!11 and also, it's only funny until someone loses an eye.
Vexual: insults go right rthough me
mircea_popescu: ;;google "you are ugly, and your mother dresses you funny"
gribble: Hank Moody (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0031933/quotes>; "Californication" Hell-A Woman (TV Episode 2007) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039933/quotes>; Hank Moody - Mirror Monologue - Smile Douche! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzpiWYrW5tw>
Vexual: the ones that go over my head i dont hear
mircea_popescu: meh, they stole it. this was the best insult in an ancient game
mircea_popescu: you played one of six nobles in medieval england
Vexual: six?
Vexual: what is this majong?
mircea_popescu: undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated" << this is already a thing.
Vexual: yep
ben_vulpes: i only find it funny once people start *losing* eyes.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell xinxi you submit it to cazalla who is the editor in chief.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "then it's hysterical"
Vexual: ben_vulpes: may i recommend a wine?
asciilifeform: "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor << lol, in what way does this not physically exist ?
mircea_popescu: am i to satisfy a negative ?
mircea_popescu: fuck you rich is like "youthful healthy". only the sickly and elderly know about it.
asciilifeform: not as such, but at least suggest how the apparent unicorns are simply goats with horn glued on
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance by pointing out to the street whore that IS in fact fuck you rich ?
mircea_popescu: lemme find her.
asciilifeform can easily picture a street whore who is arbitrarily rich
mircea_popescu: "What do you get when you cross a whore with a systems engineer? A fuckin know-it-all!"
Vexual: ben vuples the java king
asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp what he's seeing
Vexual: its a chihuahua
asciilifeform: no, mircea_popescu's link
mircea_popescu: street whore doing her morning shower.
mircea_popescu: fuck you rich. right ?
asciilifeform: the expression (afaik, american) traditionally means - one who is rich enough to never work again, if so wishes
mircea_popescu: well you're asking me ? your term! define it!
mircea_popescu: well she doesn't seem to be working, does she.
asciilifeform: and, usually presumes, live like a man (not rat)
mircea_popescu: and that isn't a matter of perspective ?
asciilifeform: well yes. phrase is uttered by humans, who of course have perspective - 'tall' means something else to a dwarf than to an architect
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY << kid does not want to live like a rat.
assbot: 16 year old birthday surprise gone wrong. - YouTube
Vexual: you know about the asthmatic lesbian?
Vexual: she caught her breath in statches
bounce: apparently "lords of the realm", perhaps II
mircea_popescu: bounce yes!
mircea_popescu: Vexual what do you call a promiscuous pony ?
asciilifeform: (re film)
Vexual: idk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well ? kid does not want to live like a rat., what now ?
mircea_popescu: Vexual a little whorse.
bounce: starship titanic had "purveyor of shoddy goods!" -- pretty damning in context
asciilifeform: rats own trucks?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do rats own computers ?
asciilifeform: not usually
asciilifeform: though i've had my doubts
mircea_popescu: neither does my fuck you rich bitch., what now ?
asciilifeform: rat, however, often owns a rathole
asciilifeform: does the woman?
asciilifeform: 'rat' may even be an upgrade for her
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rat owns a rathole in the same sense she owns some sidewalk.
mircea_popescu: possession being nine tenths of the law and all that.
asciilifeform: 'fuck you money,' if i recall, has the following etymology. the idea that if you came into $fuckyou, you could utter 'fuck you' to the boss at the plant tomorrow, and continue to live at least as well (consumption) as presently, indefinitely
mircea_popescu: so she has it ?
asciilifeform: and most of the speakers are not street bums, and so aren't sitting on a floor one cannot fall through
mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point isn';t it.
asciilifeform: well it has a meaning - most folks aren't bums, and possibly don't even inhabit a mental space where bums exist (other than in the vaguely 'doomy' sense that death exists for them)
asciilifeform: to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case'
asciilifeform: 'fuck you money' is a very real item for which folks have a very real longing - because in fact, it is simply the desire to be released from workschwitz and arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: people with even an elementary brain do understand that perhaps one in a thousand can be a rentier
bounce: that is the assumption anyway
Vexual: ascii trolls now?
Vexual: of coursem its late, or early
kakobrekla: its fuck you money only until its not.
Vexual: not everyone with a brain seeks residual income
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is still awake?
asciilifeform: its fuck you money only until its not << yes, generally how fiat works
asciilifeform: but one could redefine 'fuck you' with an engineering margin
asciilifeform: such that, e.g., you can lose 90% of the principal and remain fuckyou-enabled
kakobrekla: you basically need 10 fuckoffs.
chetty: I always thought it had more to do with being willing to live without whatever to the extent you would say $fuckyou to the boss, doesn't have to be money
Vexual: 100 bux is prolly fuck you money if youve got skills
asciilifeform: if you like to live in forest and eat tree bark - $0 can be
kakobrekla: yeah if shoe dont fit, cut foot :)
Vexual: deep
chetty: kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe ..
kakobrekla: cant argue with that
ben_vulpes: dig this: my favorite mechanical pencil, the the PaperMate Logo II, is now basically unavailable.
Vexual: i know right
Vexual: drafters frriend
ben_vulpes: either buy in lot of 12 for 240 odd bucks, or get stuffed.
Vexual: depends how many girldfriends u got
jurov: $proxies
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (124 milliseconds), mpex.co (134 milliseconds), mpex.biz (146 milliseconds), mpex.bz (237 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (644 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
Vexual: i've still got one in my leg
mircea_popescu: so i submit the following bitbet problem to the group : http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/
assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closed 2 days 18 hours ago
mircea_popescu: the bet says "to play". the guy... signed a contract. to play. next year.
mircea_popescu: so does this mean he IS playing or merely that he will be ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ^
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' << but inasmuch as your argument rests on the "mental space" of the user, then therefore my observation IS satisfied, and indeed it's not a thing, but merely a figment of imagination.
mircea_popescu: note that the reality of the longing for the idol is not in question, nor does it rub off on the idol to make IT real.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> its fuck you money only until its not. << fuck you meat!11
mircea_popescu: <chetty> kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. <<< she has a point, i've seen women cut foot for prada heels.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prisoners may have different reasons to want out of the jail, but that does not make freedom a 'figment of imagination' - there is actually a world outside of the jail.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My gut says it resolves at yes if he actually... starts playing
mircea_popescu: but that there's a world does not actually give the prisoner's notion of "freedom" any legs.
mircea_popescu: i mean, there's land where "the indies" were supposed to be, too. that doesn't mean columbus found india.
Vexual: he had a crack
mircea_popescu: Vexual speaking of which, who is the more eco-friendly ? the drug dealer or the whore ?
Vexual: i think we should get katy pery in here
Vexual: i guess the whore
Vexual: she only east and poops
asciilifeform: unlike columbus/indies, just about all people have experienced freedom (in the sense of not having to work) - as children
Vexual: *eats
mircea_popescu: Vexual the whore. because she reuses her crack.
Vexual: the drug dealer charters planes and shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform childhood may be a poor experience of anything. freedom included.
Vexual: oh a joke
kakobrekla: ;;later tell punkman ping
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu You may want to consult someone who actually follows soccer though. I'll look into the stuff later, but I think actually playing in that league this year would have been possible
asciilifeform: poor experience of anything << ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im just opening it for ip input.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you wouldn't go through life with your living decided by a five year old's understanding of what's going on, neh ?
Vexual: when does london close?
asciilifeform: i understood that arbeit macht frei sucks as a five year old, just as well as now.
mircea_popescu: just as well, maybe. the same way, i think not.
mircea_popescu: i thought eucalyptus sucked, as a five year old. and alcohol. and so on.
wywialm: Vexual, in 1.5h
Vexual: no that's a juroc joje
Vexual: *jurov joke
wywialm: i'm unfamiliar with that one
Vexual: yes
mircea_popescu: wywialm how goes ?
wywialm: mircea_popescu, good question. As you have not heard much from me, you can deduce that the repo otc business did not do well
mircea_popescu: well to be perfectly fair, i had pre-deduced that last we met.
wywialm: yes, i remember that
mircea_popescu: btw, you writing a piece for the qntra ?
wywialm: i will definitely consider that as soon as i will have anything valuable to say
mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan.
wywialm: speaking of a plan, does anything happen on the options market in BTC? in particular, does the (possibly otc) option market happen?
mircea_popescu: more or less.
mircea_popescu: it's not terribly open to the general public.
wywialm: i guess i'm the member of general public then...
wywialm: is there a way to change that status?
mircea_popescu: well, basically, if you have a lot of volume you advertise it and you'll find someone. if you don't... well... you don't.
wywialm: ah, the standard way
punkman: wywialm: you could use bitbet for some action
punkman: or that thing xinxi made
jurov: btcnut
jurov: or such
wywialm: isn't it only for binary trades? that appplies to bitbet as well
punkman: buttnut
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.61, Best ask: 364.63, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 364.66, 24 hour volume: 17852.87309723, 24 hour low: 358.0, 24 hour high: 386.32, 24 hour vwap: 370.329378879
wywialm: besides, it's financially settled which depends on the reliability of the exchanges
mircea_popescu: wywialm i supposew you could use the x.eur future ad interim
mircea_popescu: you can make an option out of a future and an underlying.
wywialm: option out of a future and underlying? could you explain futher?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins`: if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: not sure if that will work cause ':'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla ty
assbot: Die Antwoord - Enter The Ninja (Acoustic Cover) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis you understand synthetic positions ?
punkman: I left namecheap search open in a tab and it crashed my browser, because javascript is awesome
wywialm: mircea_popescu, quite well, but i don't see how can i use two linear instruments to obtain nonlinear payoff
mircea_popescu: well, you'll likely have to throw a bond in there somewhere.
wywialm: apart from dynamic hedging, where i could use only one
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a "sort-of" type of thing, obviously.
kakobrekla: heh JS, i recall some sites killing a core2 quad machine
wywialm: mircea_popescu did you mean any static replication?
mircea_popescu: wywialm basically.
mircea_popescu: not sure you can actually get it to be static
mircea_popescu: really, it's a field that can take a lot more work, bitcoin financial synthesis.
wywialm: i could "sort-of-replicate" option payoff trading on a spot market, each day buying/selling according to the delta (the difference being transaction costs and interest rate and noncontinuity)
wywialm: but thats not static
wywialm: do i miss anything?
wywialm: (of course i should have a decent model to obtain reliable deltas)
wywialm: mircea_popescu - but that's not static. do i miss anything?
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be exactly static, no.
wywialm: what is the exact multiplier of x.eur?
wywialm: btw, do you know of any trade on btc realized volatility or realized variance?
mircea_popescu: i don't recall anything being publicly announced.
jurov: FabianB_: mpex.coinbr.com fixed
wywialm: mircea_popescu, did you consider calculating a stock index for MPEx?
mircea_popescu: on and off, yeah.
mircea_popescu: maybe moving the oix from the now gone options to stocks.
wywialm: what types of indices did you consider?
wywialm: the warsaw stock exchange begun with 5 stocks listed as well, and calculated the WIG
mircea_popescu: yeah, i know. anyway, nothing public about all that yet.
wywialm: if you were interested in my thoughts on it, i could throw my 2 cents
undata: that vid of the 16 year old brat attacking his new truck has me in stitches
undata: coward wouldn't even go for a window, not that he could break one the way he was swinging
mircea_popescu: it's really an excellent piece, that.
asciilifeform: that thing made me have emotions.
undata: wouldn't break a window; would swing for his dad. fascinating.
asciilifeform: specifically, wanting to see the idiot executed a la the 'bear jew' scene in 'inglorious bastards'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?
asciilifeform: i.e. with baseball club.
asciilifeform: ruining a perfectly good truck
mircea_popescu: undata for his dad ?! are you kidding ?
mircea_popescu: i doubt the truck's all that good, looked like a guzzler.
assbot: Home - Mil-OSS
undata: mircea_popescu: his dad backed off after one fake swing at him
undata: or whoever the fat fuck standing by was
mircea_popescu: that was his mom.
mircea_popescu: dad is skinny old guy with goatee
undata: haaa
undata: the guy in a black shirt going "you better not"
mircea_popescu: older bro ?
undata: probably 25, still living at home driving the mchummer
mircea_popescu: well, yes, but he got into whatever grad programme.
mircea_popescu: which 16 yo kids can't do, because highschool.
asciilifeform confesses he didn't have the audio plugged in
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with all those kids living at that particular home, with their wives, girlfriends and offspring. it looks just about big enough.
asciilifeform: was it notable?
mircea_popescu: plenty wrong with them being this dumb tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends if you like male teenager whining or not.
asciilifeform does not
bounce: isn't that like a requirement for teenagers? whine, at least 50% of the time.
jurov: youtube comments say fake
undata: mircea_popescu: my folks live here -> http://www.thewoodlands.com/
assbot: The Woodlands - Texas' most celebrated master-planned community
undata: that family above could easily be residents
mircea_popescu: bounce it's god's cruel joke. jews take it even further with all the torah singing.
bounce: to get back at the almighty or something?
mircea_popescu: well i dunno, seems to humiliate the kids.
jurov: doomiiinuuus vooobiiiscuuum
mircea_popescu: jurov no they have this thing where they make 13yos sing in front of the whole congregation.
mircea_popescu: all serious and shit.
undata: these are precisely the americans I hope starve first when their bank accounts no longer work
mircea_popescu: undata why ?
undata: because they're conditioned to be utterly insecure about whatever they lack, at no matter what level of wealth
jurov: i'd rather listen to 13yos than old farts
asciilifeform: they'll starve last.
undata: they gorge themselves on cheap "wealth" instead of generating actual wealth for the 'society' they're a part of
mircea_popescu: jurov that may be a matter of taste :)
bounce: cheap knockoff society
mircea_popescu: undata what bizarro social justice stuff is this lol.
undata: mircea_popescu: it's hardly that.
bounce: consumerist socialism?
mircea_popescu: i'll take your word for it, but it kinda sounds it.
undata: the american idea that the highest good is "eat as much as possible" whether the thing eaten is food, cars, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00074011 = 10.8426 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how do you figure the people in the vid fit that theory ? they don't seem overweight.
asciilifeform: tell american about that he should generate wealth, and as likely as not, he'll fear being sent to uranium mines
asciilifeform: i'd fear the mines if someone decreed that i must now generate wealth
undata: asciilifeform: expressing a value is distinct from insisting it be imposed.
asciilifeform: i'm not sure i personally have ever held a day job which was a 'net gain for the motherland'
mircea_popescu: undata ok, but it's not very well expressed. what is the value ?
undata: mircea_popescu: why live if you're a cheap copy of the "rich" guy next to you. Life is about projects, not piling up Hummers. Wealth fuels projects.
asciilifeform: Wealth fuels projects <<<<<
asciilifeform: this. is precisely what i meant by 'i refuse to live as a rat'
mircea_popescu: i'm confused.
asciilifeform: if i can't afford projects, it isn't life.
mircea_popescu: but you can project anything.
The20YearIRCloud: I wouldn't say every american is driven by greed
punkman: well maybe I'd rather live around the guy that minds his own business, his business being his farm, rather than around guy that has neverending stream of "projects"
undata: I am also confused.
The20YearIRCloud: I know plenty that live self-less lives
undata: mircea_popescu: you seem to have many projects.
mircea_popescu: punkman i can see it.
asciilifeform: the particular species of projects i engage in. not sand castles out of cow shit in bangladesh.
asciilifeform: (though those may also be 'projects')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... how about "reengineer all of it"
mircea_popescu: all of IT*
undata: asciilifeform: how about "Life is about projects, and wealth should only be interesting inasmuch as it supports those endeavors."
asciilifeform fails to apprehend, with puny brain, how this can be done on rat budget
mircea_popescu: i mean, if your bar is that, then you'll never be happy. takes a lot of dough, that project.
mircea_popescu: undata how about "you don't get to say what should be interesting to other people" ?
undata: mircea_popescu: everyone says that to everyone with every sentence.
mircea_popescu: that's what triggered the "wtf sjw is this"
mircea_popescu: i dun agree.
asciilifeform: even the comparatively smaller undertaking i'm presently engaged in - still doesn't come cheap. (i speak of the tooling which i have not charged to the piggy, but also of the fact that i cannot convert btc to usd even for those portions where expenses invoiced. as previously recounted here.)
punkman: asciilifeform: assuming you asked them, how much did olimex quote for cardano assembly?
asciilifeform: asked 'golden phoenix'
undata: mircea_popescu: I would never force anyone to live a certain way (provided it didn't encroach on my own) but I think it's essential to discuss ways to improve the art of living.
asciilifeform: was obscene price tag, for given qty, and they wanted auto-kitting
mircea_popescu: undata well sure, but the problem with this is diogenes. you know the bath tub story ?
undata: I do not
mircea_popescu: but you know who he was ?
undata: greek cynic
undata: reading the story now
mircea_popescu: yeah, guy famously got caught jacking off in the forum (roughly equivalent to putting pron tumblr pix in the serious #b-a chan) and when confronted said that his only regret is that hunger doesn't also abate by rubbing the stomach.
The20YearIRCloud: ascii is this a business where btc was invested for tooling?
mircea_popescu: anyway, at some point the city was being attacked by the enemy, and so every citizen was running up and down trying to make themselves useful. to the "society", by which of course you mean polis.
The20YearIRCloud: Oh a good note about RentalStarter, our banking partner has really stepped up in terms of lending to us
mircea_popescu: and diogenes being woken up by all the ruckus, started pushing the tub he inhabited up and down and all around.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: to a very limited extent. (mircea_popescu insisted that i bill for the construction of the three-axis robotic platform for prototype assembly.)
mircea_popescu: helping too, you see.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: all pertinent info is to be found on his site, do read the monthly proclamations if interested in the subject
The20YearIRCloud: TBH i can't remember what project you're involved in
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: s.nsa. first project is a small electronic device, 'cardano.'
undata: mircea_popescu: how does that describe what I've said, in your view?
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: co-authored with mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with "discussing the art of living" is diogenes. as in, discussion requires common ground. which isn't a given.
undata: mircea_popescu: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise?
mircea_popescu: ask asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: "best" is a complex concept.
bounce: then I'll take bestest
asciilifeform: lol i was beginning to think that diogenes was mentioned precisely because my 'best' is as odd as his was.
mircea_popescu: but on anecdotic evidence, whether people believe that or don't is more of an indicator of whether the polis is on the upswing or downswing than anything personal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except his is the exact opposite of odd. his best is even.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you;ll appreciate i didn't bring him up in the definition of "fuck you rich"
asciilifeform: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise << 'you go to war with the enemy you have, not the enemy you wish you had'
mircea_popescu: the point is still there, tho. fuck you rich is about fuck you, not about rich.
bounce: implying people wish to be fucked over?
kakobrekla: thats why they dont live in the barrels
kakobrekla: for the most part
mircea_popescu: meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave.
asciilifeform: ^ yes. just as freedom may or may not be about a hacksaw, depending on whether one is in prison, and of what material the prison is made (a pair of clippers may suffice for a savage rope cage, etc.)
asciilifeform: (re: 'about fuckyou not the rich')
undata: one minute god-kings; the next liberty
undata: haha
kakobrekla: people slave for not to slave
mircea_popescu: best slavery there is.
undata processes on that last bit for a moment
kakobrekla: anyway, the recipe is to say fuck you, go in the barrel and then if you like climb out of it while keeping the finger raised
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem wih that approach is that it's literally indistinguishable from the tack of the 16yo kid in the video.
asciilifeform: here's a random example of what it costs to effectively think about problems in the physical sciences, without a Crown license.
undata: obviously someone thought it worth writing about the barrel or you wouldn't be saying so.
undata: *everything* is stated with the implicit underlying statement that the worldview in which the statement was made is true.
mircea_popescu: selfless sacrifice on the altar of satisfying the societal expectation.
asciilifeform: i have to pay several 100 usd / yrs. to access library.
asciilifeform: (the university kind, that idiot college fauna get into for free)
mircea_popescu: undata a worldview can not be true.
undata: another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu since when do appearances matter?
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean it never is, i mean the noun is outside the domain of availability of the adjective. like a circle can't be heavy, 2d figures have no weight)
bounce: "free" as in part of the crushing tuitition debt package deal
asciilifeform: well yes.
asciilifeform: rolled into that particular chumpatronic prize.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well that's the thing, they don';t.
kakobrekla: so is all good.
asciilifeform: or into benefit package of being a loyal servant of Crown 'scientocracy' (professional academics)
mircea_popescu: <undata> another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy. << only for the utilitarian/methodist/usretardian school of thought.
asciilifeform: if you're a civilian - you pay.
asciilifeform: and pay.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise this is what the existentialists used to call "petit burgeois"
bounce: a reasonable solution for "publish or perish" would be useful
mircea_popescu: bounce "no tax money spent on education" is a solution.
mircea_popescu: be rich or stfu and work, science is not for "the people".
asciilifeform: bounce: they used to at least let people into the libraries without membership (though could not check out books, or read - the now all - electronic - journals.) but the bums began to nest there.
bounce: bit of a cop out. can't we do better?
mircea_popescu: who's "we" ?
mircea_popescu: but no, we can't do better, because otherwise the fucking bums start nesting there.
asciilifeform: 'once there was The People, terror gave it birth... once there was The People, and it made a Hell of Earth...' (kipling?)
mircea_popescu: like, the sort of people churning out "science" about stuff.
asciilifeform: (:re we)
asciilifeform: i give the library tidbit as an example of what, in my mind, 'not living as rat' involves
undata: if only there were some way to cheaply stockpile and grant access to documents.
asciilifeform: for a human vegetable, who only needs to afford a hovel to eat, shit, and fuck in, and a tv screen - different cost.
bounce: thing is, I do want to filter the pool for the talent regardless of parental wealth
mircea_popescu: what is talent ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that cost may be more than a few hundies a year.
asciilifeform: that's library alone
The20YearIRCloud: asciilifeform: is it that way around the world? I know it is here - bums everywhere at the library
asciilifeform: (the figure above)
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud amusingly, bums here mostly sleep in banks.
mircea_popescu: i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions
kakobrekla: guard the safes yo
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: library is heated in the winter, cool in the summer, no one hassles the poor bomzh to buy anything
asciilifeform: and quiet, very few people per square metre.
asciilifeform: usually, entire floors empty.
asciilifeform: so perfect.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many social studies chicks fuck bums because they're bums.
mircea_popescu: 1 a year ? 100 ? 10000 ?
asciilifeform: freshly-minted bums (or well-kept hobos) likely.
undata: mircea_popescu: again, anyone speaking about anything intends for the listener to be influenced by the content.
asciilifeform: the kind that walked in the same suit for a decade - less plausible
undata: I can't see how it could be any other way.
mircea_popescu: well so you can't see.
mircea_popescu: ;;google gratuitous act
gribble: gratuitous - definition of gratuitous by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gratuitous>; gratuitous legal definition of gratuitous: <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/gratuitous>; www.andregide.org | Caves of the Vatican | Lafcadio's Adventures ...: <http://www.andregide.org/studies/vatfow.html>
mircea_popescu: lmao check that shit out, doesn't even exist in english.
mircea_popescu: ;;google acte gratuit
gribble: acte gratuit - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acte_gratuit>; L'ACTE GRATUIT: <http://actegratuit.tumblr.com/>; Older posts - L'ACTE GRATUIT: <http://actegratuit.tumblr.com/page/2>
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: are banks over there open 24/7, or access to parts?
The20YearIRCloud: Around here they're on lockdown outside of normal business hours
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud the atm parts.
undata: mircea_popescu: I think in english "gratuitous" means something far off from what you're aiming at.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english, usually 'crime of passion' ?
The20YearIRCloud: Your ATMs aren't outside?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, not at all.
undata: "uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted."
mircea_popescu: "Un acte gratuit est le fait d'agir en dehors de toute raison, motivation ou incitation."
undata: and.. ain't that some shit.
mircea_popescu: "the fact of acting outside any reason or motivation"
undata: how could it be possible to act without motivation?
kakobrekla: also says it means 'free shit'
undata: it came from god, not me?
asciilifeform: banks 24/7 << story. where i live, you can walk into the vestibule of a bank (where the atm often lives, on 'bad streets') using a magnetic card. implication is that it must be the bank's - but this is false.
mircea_popescu: undata listen, go read le diable et le bon dieu, sartre.
asciilifeform: any card will do!
undata: mircea_popescu: k
asciilifeform: and often, sc4mz0rz patch into the reader, and plant bug there
asciilifeform: recording cc # day and night.
undata wonders if the translation will butcher it
mircea_popescu: aww that sucks.
asciilifeform: (for those wondering why it is so easy to sc4mz0r american magnetic cards, read log.)
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 01:00:26; asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
kakobrekla: implication is that it must be the bank's < we also have such setups with but no such implication as atms are compatible over all banks
punkman: asciilifeform: seen same card activated doors in many places around eu
mircea_popescu: yeah no such implication.
asciilifeform: at any rate, just about any magnetic card with the right number of tracks (was it 3?) will open the gate.
FabianB: jurov: looks good now :)
nubbins`: asciilifeform will likely take a couple days
punkman: also bums love to sleep next to ATMs, and they all have some kind of card that will open the door
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what was your starting point again?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i just want to test build chain
nubbins`: plan was to take stock 0.5.3, remove src/qt/* and attempt to build
nubbins`: and use that as a starting point
nubbins`: so you could use stock 0.5.3 to test
asciilifeform: what was the turd in 0.6 that made us stop short of it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing was a debate over whether it should be earliest or latest that still works. apparently earliest won
asciilifeform rereads log
mircea_popescu votes yesterday as "most likely to be reread"
nubbins`: ah, nothing in particular, i don't think. merging bugfixes etc from 0.6 would be next i guess
mircea_popescu: it's like "the hangover" in there.
asciilifeform: who has a known vintage tarball of 0.5.3 ?
asciilifeform: (as in, personally leeched as long ago as possible, and sat since)
asciilifeform: kindly post hash.
asciilifeform: best heroes - post signed hash.
nubbins`: not i
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu?
asciilifeform: vintage tarball ^
mircea_popescu: oh. i'll have to go through archives. be a while.
jurov: i arrived in 2012 and lost a hdd since :/
nubbins`: march 14 2012
assbot: Bitcoin - Browse /Obsolete at SourceForge.net
kakobrekla wont run bitcoind without the 'coin control' patch
mircea_popescu: jurov not to mention it's also untrue.
mircea_popescu: but hey, what's a little lying hurt anymore.
asciilifeform: 'obsolete' !?
asciilifeform: aha like 'truecrypt'.
jurov: 15033115709f0eb55674ebf5e79208bfb05a5745 bitcoin-0.5.3-linux.tar.gz << sha1 of the turd form there
asciilifeform: 'A visitor received this implanted, false message today, promoting the market of certificates of authority and encryption. HTTPS fetishists are trying to coerce us into using the crappy security gambit. Ignore HTTPS monotheists. Online security promises are hokum. This is admitted on sec discussion fora. Pushers of HTTPS, Tor, crypto, secure drops are David Blaines.' (cryptome.)
mircea_popescu: aww, no "as mp said" ? sucks.
asciilifeform: guide to bitcoin mitm for n00bz
asciilifeform: if anyone wants to post checksums for vintage dependencies from build-unix.txt, appreciated.
midnightmagic: coin control is unnecessary now, create/decode/sign raw transaction exists plus listunspent and listaddressgroupings
asciilifeform: hard disk is unnecessary, magnetized needles exist.
kakobrekla: exists < yeah in which version ?
midnightmagic: pretty easy to use them. I have a very tiny perl script that does the same thing..
kakobrekla: which version?
mircea_popescu: no he has a point, you can just make your own tx and forget the stock selection code
midnightmagic: mm.. dunno when they were introduced. it's been a while.
asciilifeform: make your own tx, with soviet calculator.
asciilifeform: people seem to forget why we even bought computers.
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean by hand yo
midnightmagic: I just don't trust the coin control nor tx selection to pull the most-private from the unspent list is all. It is a bit more work to make decisions about it though
kakobrekla: making your own tx is best way to go
kakobrekla: cc makes it easy
midnightmagic: not for privacy imo. but I guess it does make tx creation easy.
kakobrekla: well you control the privacy
kakobrekla: stock selection code < as shitty as it gets.
mircea_popescu: don't knock it, it's what they use to make hambuger meat.
asciilifeform forgot what a sack of shit classic bitcoind is, in terms of build deps
mircea_popescu: never 4get.
mats_cd03: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/bitcoin-tor-nope.pdf << heh heh. i once ran an exit node off AWS for a week, scooped 0.2 btc from a shmuck
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: the best idiots are the tor-miners.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: how one would even arrive at the idea of miner connected through tor?
mats_cd03: decentralize!
mats_cd03: anonymous!
asciilifeform: not a single mainstream mineatron, afaik, does anything useful against even a very pedestrian ssl mitm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as much as a new news site brings about ddos.
mircea_popescu: these are real problems derps are trying to solve.
asciilifeform: which problems?
mircea_popescu: not that safe to be a miner out there.
asciilifeform: sufficiently large miner can, presumably, afford $maxint worth of proxies or even fallback isp.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but tor miner is not sufficientl large.
asciilifeform: if the only enemy is ddos
mircea_popescu: you dunno what the enemy is until mats_cd03 steals your .2 btc
asciilifeform: at one point, chumpnet miners often went through tor
mats_cd03: ill be rich someday
mats_cd03: i will use that .2 btc to buy a ranch and a new stereo
asciilifeform: undeserved prize tastes ten times as good.
asciilifeform: or how did it go.
mats_cd03: i thought it was a peach?
bounce: millions of peaches/ peaches for free/
mats_cd03: anyway, on the subject of fruit
mats_cd03: i have discovered honey crisp apples
mats_cd03: and they are godly
bounce: so, better than oranges?
asciilifeform: miners << is there any actual reason why an arbitrarily large miner should not choose to appear as a large number of arbitrarily small ones, from the network standpoint ?
mats_cd03: better than the red delicious
mats_cd03: which is in fact not delicious, only red
asciilifeform: why is it even still possible to identify 'large miners' as existing.
mats_cd03: bad software?
nubbins`: wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly
nubbins`: mostly because of all this brew/macports gibberish
asciilifeform: nubbins` confronted with fact of having bought a fake unix box?
nubbins`: it's more unix than windows, at least ;p
asciilifeform: that's literally the only thing going for it.
asciilifeform: microshit-free.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller here's one for you : what concert costs 45 cents ?
asciilifeform: ^ the busy signal in a u.s. pay phone (if you can still find one!) -- costs 0.50, and you'll find a 'nickel' in the coin return tray.
asciilifeform: 45 cents for concert.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> microshit-free. < id rather be apple free than ms free given only those 2 options. call me retarded or whatever dun care.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla will voluntarily use winblows?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really, it's 50cent feat nickleback
mircea_popescu: but anyway!
kakobrekla: asciilifeform >given only those 2 options
mircea_popescu: !up IHB_
mircea_popescu: i wonder what a windows tablet would be like.
asciilifeform: two closed turds, and you'll use the one with no shell, no posix, no modern build system?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: windows tablet existed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can perhaps guess what they were like, by the fact of having to ask the question
mircea_popescu: i never saw one
kakobrekla: just cant swallow apple. sry no can do.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can almost pretend it's a 'sun' or other weird ancient unixlike
asciilifeform: esp. if you behead it and use a terminal.
joecool: just took delivery of a mbp and am attempting to resize it's cancer of an os to put anything on
joecool: yeah would do windows before this
kakobrekla: whats next, use phone and pretend its computer ?
joecool: chinese killed the thinkpad though
bounce: boo. hiss.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, can you format the ipad, run debian on it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: debian - no idea. netbsd - almost certain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask enthusiasts if there's any i/o support for it
mircea_popescu: touch drivers and errything ?
mircea_popescu: uhm, it has wireless neh ?
asciilifeform: well depends what you need it for
asciilifeform: if for perverse file server in a closet - yes, can do right now.
asciilifeform: if as a 'touch' gizmo - check first.
asciilifeform: also easier to do this with non-apple gizmos, where there is not an elaborate boobytrap chipset in there, to try to keep you from 'jailbreaking'
mircea_popescu: so it's not basically a laptop board with a soldered over bios chip ?
asciilifeform: 'arm'-compatible.
asciilifeform: a few vendors (samsung, and others) make the reverse of this - 'arm' laptop.
joecool: all sorts of weird "features" in OSX like, "stuck" processes
nubbins`: force quit kicks ass over whatever the fuck you do in windows again
bounce: stuck different from stuck processes on other unix?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hadn't they implemented kill ?
joecool: it's different than zombie process in other nix
nubbins`: windows? who knows
joecool: can't do anything with it
mircea_popescu: ;;google kill process windows
gribble: XP: kill a Windows process from the command line with taskkill | a ...: <http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/446/xp_kill_windows_process_command_line_taskkill/>; Really killing a process in Windows - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/49988/really-killing-a-process-in-windows>; Taskkill - TechNet - Microsoft: <http://technet.microsoft.com/en- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: yeah they have
nubbins`: looky loo
nubbins`: !uq ninjashogun
nubbins`: shit, my p is backwards
nubbins`: ??? :/
mircea_popescu: !ub ninjashogun ?
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: !ud ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you broke it.
nubbins`: not cool man
mircea_popescu: !gown nubbins`
nubbins`: how are we supposed to ub people
nubbins`: !pown mircea_popescu
nubbins`: NOTHING'S WORKING
nubbins`: ;;ficker
gribble: Error: "ficker" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: unƃoɥsɐɾuıu dn¡
nubbins`: what is going on D:
mircea_popescu: so it turns out atheism is a non-prophet organisation.
assbot: Welcome to Instant Rimshot
mircea_popescu: !up ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: shit man, you were doing it right! it's p
nubbins`: fuuuuuu
nubbins`: too late, man
nubbins`: ʍou ƃuᴉʞɹoʍ s,ʇᴉ ǝqʎɐɯ
IHB_: thanks for the mircea. last time i was in here was when i living in bangalore. you just published your response to the SEC and it was great.
IHB_: *voice
nubbins`: w̢̤͖͓̹e̠ļ̯̟c̀o̥m̱͉̻̲̜e̛̳͚,̵͙̩̭̻̲̙͍ ͍͖̘͓̫̤̝n̮͙i̘̟̝n̳͔̺͚͡ͅj҉͖a̷̜͖s̢͚̭̪̭̝̪̣ḥ̞o̭̭̺̣g̛̳͖̟͚͚ụ͎͙ṉ̣̜͎̮
mircea_popescu: so where do you live now ?
kakobrekla: nubbins` get a 'real' computer.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` did you do all that on an osx ?
nubbins`: kakobrekla what, a dell?
asciilifeform: a Multivac.
kakobrekla: a vegetable. instead of fruit.
mircea_popescu: multivac'd have been a great vacuum cleanner brand
asciilifeform: 'nothing sucks like multivacs' ?
asciilifeform: ;;google nothing sucks like electrolux
gribble: Electrolux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolux>; Brand blunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_blunder>; VAX - Catb.org: <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html>
mircea_popescu: "if you stuff one vac, it's got more!"
assbot: What do you call… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: lmao these logs... nubbins` using cohen as an argument ?!
mthreat: What do you get when you cross a potato with a dildo?
mthreat: a dictator
undata: mircea_popescu: the puns! THE PUNS!
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly << i for one gave up
undata: <3
mircea_popescu: my puny attempt!
mircea_popescu: undata we had limmerick day a few months ago too.
undata: I will have to read those logs.
ben_vulpes: oh god those jokes
assbot: New Paper: Bitcoin over Tor a Bad Idea, Especially bad for SPV | Qntra.net
ben_vulpes: just what i need while watching this ftp dump scroll by
mircea_popescu: xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike. <<< that's a whole new dimension to the entire "fuck you rich" discussion.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's different by gender :D
BingoBoingo: Eh, bike's more likely to get stolen
BingoBoingo: !up IHB_
assbot: LKML: Greg KH: Re: [PATCH] usb: serial: Perform verification for FTDI FT232R devices
BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX
BingoBoingo: Hello MosesEX
MosesEX: BingoBoingo, whats up BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Oh not too much
MosesEX: any christians in here?
MosesEX: or jews or muslims?
kakobrekla: those were already stoned to death
MosesEX: homosexuals should be put to death
mircea_popescu: yeah we only got sluts and drunks left.
MosesEX: but obama supports homosexuals
kakobrekla: !down MosesEX
mircea_popescu: ;;ud obama
BingoBoingo: ;;ud obola
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obama | An acronym standing for. One Big Ass Mistake, America! Q: What was the result of the 2008 election? A: OBAMA. by ferrgus February 23, 2009. 22182 13448.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obola | Oct 13, 2014 ... Obola. (noun) the result of a completely incompetent democratic administration that cares more about open borders with no enforcement of ...
mircea_popescu: i guess it's mitt romney's showbiz name.
BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX
BingoBoingo: !down MosesEX
MosesEX: YAY
dignork: BingoBoingo: RE: USB turd - it was pbbly a joke, Russ Dill works for Texas Instruments
BingoBoingo: Ah, makes sense nao
kakobrekla: anyone want these atc i have ? maybe mpif takes em?
BingoBoingo: WHy not? 1BuJThNvr31EwnLGiaAdQbYHCkBdJvgTQJ
assbot: “Proof of reserves,” born out of tragedy, will slowly become the global gold standard for financial auditing. « Real Virtual Currency
jurov: herp derp
jurov: !up punkman1
asciilifeform: ^ looks quite like 'ida' output, so symbol names presumably inferred by reverser
assbot: Mobile Security Blog: Why Samsung Knox isn't really a Fort Knox
asciilifeform: there's what, 17 of them now?
asciilifeform: 'all but the laziest man' are now making 'avoid 3v1l surv31l4nc3111!' turdicles.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, this is the one NSA approves of for gubmint work
asciilifeform: which work.
asciilifeform: afaik the only 'top seekreet'-approved Pnohe is 'blackberry sektera' (sp?)
asciilifeform: aka obamaphone
asciilifeform: (or was it obamaberry?)
BingoBoingo: Well this is the new one they are proposing
BingoBoingo: By samsung
asciilifeform does not own one, but recalls seeing photos, there's a normal 'blackberry' and an nsa board sandwiched under the battery
BingoBoingo: I've owned normal blackberries. Pleasant paging device.
asciilifeform never understood the appeal of the microscopic trackball on those things
BingoBoingo: Skipped those after first one broke in hours. The tiny trackpad used as a micro trackball was very functional though
assbot: /SwiftOnSecurity Windows Update busily bricking USB serial chips http://t.co/XkoNmNiCUH Maybe completely intentional. Microsoft-SWATed case?
asciilifeform: 'FTDI's own web site says their chips are used in medical...'
asciilifeform is hoping that this kind of thing will become an everyday event
asciilifeform: run moar winblows.
kakobrekla: choke on your fruit.
asciilifeform: which fruit
kakobrekla: thats what you already said for python
asciilifeform just got back from fruit&veggie market, got a number of possible things to choke on, that were still in season
kakobrekla: apples will do.
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The washing up
jurov: one click and i ended up on http://www.schneierfacts.com/
assbot: Bruce Schneier Facts
assbot: Bruce Schneier Facts
assbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The RedHat Package Mangler
midnightmagic: "It's about the same likelihood as that you would get spontaneously quantum teleported by tunnelling through solid wall, that's why such things just don't happen." <-- this is incorrect
jurov: yes?
assbot: The Trade-Offs of Feminism | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: now, logs!
jurov: rly? masculinity as a measurable natural resource?
artifexd: kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it.
pete_dushenski: jurov lol tis a theory.
kakobrekla: artifexd never had, never will have any apple products.
nubbins`: kako uses alienware only
artifexd: I thought I just read that you got a mbp...
jurov: no, we use lenovo - it means slovenky in somalian
jurov: *slovenly
artifexd: Ah no. That was joecool. Same color as you.
kakobrekla: colors, the root of all evil.
BingoBoingo: <artifexd> kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it. << apmd -C
jurov: or soundproof foam?
kakobrekla: or just turn it off
artifexd: I don't see a -C option
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Linux doomsday
pete_dushenski: ^must be the same raymond from that trilema comment. everyone loved him too!
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Which non-OS X OS are you running?
asciilifeform: http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual.
assbot: - KGoal, | |
artifexd: I'm looking at centos right now.
artifexd: I haven't settled on a distro yet though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual. << WOnderful
assbot: - KGoal, | |
kakobrekla: ;;google kegel kickstarter
gribble: kGoal Smart Kegel Trainer by Minna Life — Kickstarter: <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/892018590/kgoal-smart-kegel-trainer>; Skea - Smart Kegel Exercise Aid by Linkcube Studio — Kickstarter: <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2091647642/skea-smart-kegel-exercise-aid>; The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter: <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/871901583/the- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: sc4m4tr0nix?
asciilifeform: though i'm told that once in a while, when the planets align, an actual product is made on 'kickstarter'
kakobrekla: dunno not the vagina expert and lampelina is in bed.
asciilifeform: best expert.
assbot: The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Letters of support
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BingoBoingo: Only missing A, I and Y
BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX
MosesEX: yay
asciilifeform: iBola ?
MosesEX: hello everyone
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: What are your thoughts on Obola
MosesEX: BingoBoingo, ebola? its overreacted
BingoBoingo: ;;ud ibola
gribble: Google found nothing.
MosesEX: yet it might spread
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iBola isn't a thing yet. Maybe next month?
MosesEX: those who die from ebola is because they were ordained to die from it
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: Ordanation doesn't count when ebama does it
MosesEX: obama is destroying this country
MosesEX: we need republicans
MosesEX: not demoncrats
MosesEX: hi everyone!
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: They both suck.
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: You said you had questions. Ask or you get the !down again.
MosesEX: yes
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin?
MosesEX: why or why not
MosesEX: i mean irs
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin yes or no
MosesEX: god dammit
MosesEX: DOES THE IRS OR FERDERAL GOVERNMENT HATE BITCOIN
midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: Are you high?
MosesEX: LIKE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TAX IT
BingoBoingo: !down MosesEX
ben_vulpes: !down MosesEX
ben_vulpes: once was not enough
assbot: dpaste: 1PX6023
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave. << beauty.
joecool: artifexd: hm? i had used ibm and then lenovo thinkpads exclusively, up until today
pete_dushenski: speaking of mobsters, anyone have any book recommendations on mafia/mobs?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo goosfraba eh?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You never really know
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu:i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions << ya the libraries vs. banks discrepancy is telling.
pete_dushenski: i wonder where in the world bums shack up in public schools, hospitals, and other public buildings.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The bathrooms.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu quite possibly. haven't been there yet to see
pete_dushenski: maybe india'll be on the 2015 list
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall reading (1990s usenet?) of american expats living in bathrooms in jp.
asciilifeform: as a routine matter.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu speaking of travel plans, some close friends decided to GET MARRIED on the same weekend as the third conference. so ya.
pete_dushenski: i'm out for this one.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform probably mcd's: clean
asciilifeform checks grinding wheel on which current turd is being polished;
asciilifeform: anyone have a preference for which 'libboost' is to be used?
joecool: oh book on mobsters, i haven't managed to find a copy of the book that came out a couple years ago about samsung
joecool: "thinking of samsung" or "think samsung" i think it translated into
nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc 1.5.5 was current when bitcoin 0.5.3.was released
nubbins`: most recent is only 1.5.6 i believe
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ty
mircea_popescu: wow look at that, jurov's blog is not vulnerable to the wp reflected ddos thing
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: kako uses alienware only << no, he uses girls'.
assbot: Just remembered this /ioerror statement, after hearing one of the Ottawa shooting suspects was designated "high risk" http://t.co/9ULzZ3tm1E
assbot: The Rise and Fall of the Jewish Gangster in America: Albert Fried: 9780231096836: Books - Amazon.ca
assbot: gnome-shell: lock screen bypass [LWN.net]
asciilifeform: someone is using gnome !?!?111
nubbins`: BingoBoingo lelel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know who ? linus.
asciilifeform somehow did not know this.
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3E1GYG4.txt )
mircea_popescu: not even kidding.
BingoBoingo: Linus uses Fedora, right?
asciilifeform buried herr torvalds in his head long ago, 'and ordered cement poured to be tempted to dig up'
asciilifeform: (apologies to vysotsky)
asciilifeform: *not tempted
joecool: lolololol gnome
mircea_popescu: why was that ?
asciilifeform: rng warz
mircea_popescu: and holy shit, this linux thing is really not used by anyone, is it ? took until 2014 for someone to mash the prtscr key ?
mircea_popescu: likely story.
asciilifeform: and before that, 'i'm apolitical, don't care what happens etc'
asciilifeform: linux - used, sure. but gnome...
mircea_popescu: neither of these crossed it for me.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. <<< well they call anything "quantum" these days.
mircea_popescu: forgetting what it actually means.
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : nothing "quantum" can ever affect a macro object. by definition.
asciilifeform: eh, the photon that broke the camel's back?
mircea_popescu: !up no_imagination
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i choked on a particularly rapid tachyon" should be standard blonde answer.
mircea_popescu: this is the imagination institute. welcome.
asciilifeform: re: bitcoind liposuction: who's for nixing the 'alert' gizmo?
mircea_popescu: in any case change its key.
asciilifeform: alternative can only be if someone (mircea_popescu ?) is willing to sit on a new key!
no_imagination: mircea_popescu: read some of your stuff. is it fair to say you value BTC as a store of value and the rest is secondary?
asciilifeform would rather it not be him. when he is killed key will fall into enemy hands.
mircea_popescu: no_imagination oversimplified. i mean... it's in the stuff you read, as short as it gets.
nubbins`: which key is this
asciilifeform: nubbins`: key for the mechanism which enabled bitcoind to nag users with warning text
no_imagination: im all about simple
nubbins`: right
nubbins`: kill it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4111 @ 0.00074124 = 3.0472 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: that was my suggestion
nubbins`: without mercy
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I guess there's no much use to it nowadays
asciilifeform: what use was there at any point for it?
mircea_popescu: not particularly useful. i can live with my current key being used but would rather not and am definitely not making a different one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lot of this stuff is you know, "just in case"isms driven by the fact that a few years ago bitcoin was entirely a novel concept.
mircea_popescu: a lot of questions i can answer atm i couldn't even properly form in 2011, and im sure im not the only one.
joecool: gavin has that key right?
Apocalyptic: not only gavin
asciilifeform: hitler has it
joecool: ok cia too
mircea_popescu: that emergency messaging thing was more of a "let's bake a p2p messaging app into the core because you don't know what will happen and it may be needed."
asciilifeform doesn't much care who has it
Apocalyptic: there is thermos and a third fellow i forgot
joecool: buzzfeed.com
joecool: "12 things you might be doing wrong with your bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it was sirius not thermos no ?
Apocalyptic: I've read from many sources thermos has it, but it could be wrong
bounce: you need a keykeeper? what's the key do?
asciilifeform: needed. and now nothing.
Apocalyptic: midnightmagic may know
bounce: oh, nag people. oh well. guess I'll have to keep at it here then.
midnightmagic: the key is held by gavin. satoshi still has it. i don't know who else. I don't think anyone else.
mircea_popescu: nah it was more people, before satoshi split.
midnightmagic: hrm. there might be a k-of-n threshold split key now, it would make sense.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov was it you who was making the mailing list gizmo ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: course at some point it had a bug where it kept a hash of the signature and so you could change the message around if you had an older key.
mircea_popescu: an older signature* i mean
asciilifeform: new seed nodes?
asciilifeform: pnSeed[]
mircea_popescu: o the fallbacks ?
asciilifeform assumes everyone here has a copy of the src
mircea_popescu: such a fucking kludge that.
mircea_popescu: should be done away with
asciilifeform: what'll it be then
mircea_popescu: reads user provided config file
mircea_popescu: if you don't supply bootstrap nodes you shouldn't be running it anyway.
asciilifeform: 'Oh that will not do, said Milder to Moulder / Oh what will you do then said Festel to Fose / Great guns and great cannon said John the Red Nose ... '
asciilifeform: does anyone give a rat's arse about builds other than 'unix' ?
mircea_popescu: should run in cygwin.
asciilifeform: lol, someone does this ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the node discovery mechanism is a fucking hole of the first degree. all an attacker really needs to do is take control of the "last resort" ips and then supress "normal" peer discovery.
mircea_popescu: certainly not outside the capabilities of the us, and a fine reason why stock bitcoin is not safe anyway.
asciilifeform: or of 'showmyip.com'
mircea_popescu: that wouldn't do anything.
bounce: the windows build is a mingw build, no? kinda useful to be able to build that from linux
asciilifeform: bounce: why would you dream of running bitcoin under winblows?
mircea_popescu: bounce pretty sure it was mingw at some point, not sure if still
asciilifeform: i can't think of any reason to do this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because underbanked, reasons and logics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and we are to help them?
bounce doesn't dream of that, but people do that stuff
asciilifeform: people also eat shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it, they're prolly running pirated windows, too.
bounce: though if you're going to toss qt then perhaps there's a case to drop the whole windows thing
asciilifeform: best windows.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00074124 = 4.188 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> does anyone give a rat's arse about builds other than 'unix' ? <<< makefile.osx is a steaming shit heap in 0.5.3 anyway. i'll offer a working one in the future if there's demand
asciilifeform: most of the planet, i suspect, has never seen a 'legit' winblows
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> bounce: why would you dream of running bitcoin under winblows? << I imagine people may want to run relay nodes on Win for variety.
mircea_popescu: and btw, someone has to fix all the fucking magic number fest in the node discovery mechanism
mircea_popescu: it's nothing but add a week of this, substract 51 minutes of that, madness.
asciilifeform was reading it just now
asciilifeform: incidentally
mircea_popescu: set this to 0 so that accidentally overloks it, it's written by drunk geese.
asciilifeform: that's traditional malware code
asciilifeform: ;;google domain generation algorithm
gribble: Domain generation algorithm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_generation_algorithm>; Domain Generation Algorithms (DGA) in Stealthy Malware - Damballa: <https://www.damballa.com/domain-generation-algorithms-dga-in-stealthy-malware/>; Domain Generation Algorithm (DGA) - InfoSec Institute: <http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/domain- (1 more message)
TheNewDeal: ;;seen Chaaaang-Noi
gribble: Chaaaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 11 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 29 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Chaaaang-Noi> either never have time, or not have money....
asciilifeform: ^ reminiscent
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just meant the timestamping.
asciilifeform: the 'randomize order in a deterministic way' thing
mircea_popescu: heh yeah i guess you're right.
mircea_popescu: it's a sickening display i tell you that.
asciilifeform enjoying tour of sausage factory
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
mircea_popescu: more like a dildo factory, but hey.
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin was written by the retarded
gribble: Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/>; "Bitcoin's Place in the Coming Economic Crash" written by Evan ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24l16i/bitcoins_place_in_the_coming_economic_crash/>; Bitcoin for dummies - Author walks users through how ... - Reddit: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: this one here's one of them hollow glass dildos
asciilifeform: liable to unexpected fragmentation.
mircea_popescu: also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ?
mircea_popescu: or was that taken out by .5 ?
mircea_popescu: and is addr.txt still there ?
mircea_popescu is not on a code reading system atm
bounce: then you'll just have to wait for the book
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, was there a special command line thing to add ips ? connect and addnode persist in newer iterations
nubbins`: bounce heh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is on playing Doom system?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, on chick chit chatting system :D
nubbins`: chick chit chat
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should route it through chittaggong
assbot: Coinbase is in trouble... but it's their own damn fault. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: also, at least at some point there was explicit tor support in the code
mircea_popescu: which also should go to bed.
asciilifeform: incidentally...
asciilifeform: which miners contain ftdi ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well sure.
asciilifeform: i know there were such.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think anyone made it to market ? i think just plans for.
asciilifeform: folks who don't diddle electronics don't appreciate how ubiquitous ftdi is
mircea_popescu: !up Evolyn
nubbins` cheers the continued gutting
mircea_popescu: less to print eh ?
assbot: Pool's Closed For Crypto Money Expo | Qntra.net
nubbins`: i hope there'll still be enough to fill a book ;/
mircea_popescu: oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message.
cazalla: and with that, i'm off to beach for a little
mircea_popescu: inexplicably, the nonsense made it all the way to 5.
TheNewDeal: kakobrekla has anything come of the pre-log logs allegedly held by Azelphur?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> oh, also i nthe stupid pile : there used to exist a way to send coins by ip. it was a no-verification "tell me an address" special message. << killed in 0.3.x series. one of Satoshis later acts
asciilifeform: and apparently it is possible to get 'git' to cough up a plain unix patch.
asciilifeform: so aficionados of this apparatus can use it to heart's delight
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/01.jpg << me thinks is is like too fucking much to scrool through. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh was it ?
mircea_popescu: well good then
nubbins`: you will regret scrolling to the bottom
mircea_popescu: am i entirely off base in my belief the habbo hotel thing is pretty much the last remaining, well known and well advertised child porn marketplace online ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The story if I recall correctly was Satoshi said upgrade nao, and then later told everyone the patched vulnerability in pay to ip
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now that you mention it im vaguely remembering this
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: it was the sort of mandate that only Satoshi or what USgavin wishes he was could push
nubbins`: "follow the bit of the crypto coins"
nubbins`: where do i send my $10k
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal idk there were several efforts made so far in that direction by various entities and i dont think anything came out of it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well honestly, back around .3.x the atmosphere was quite different. i dunno who or why would not patch when satoshi said patch.
TheNewDeal: going to need a meme for this. It's not in the logs?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal "this" ?
TheNewDeal: The pre-log logs
TheNewDeal: I've been exposed to some
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it was still around 10kiloBTC pizza time
TheNewDeal: someone once sent me a text file of the SD ipo
TheNewDeal: I believe
TheNewDeal: but they will remain mythical in my mind
mircea_popescu: fun times.
mircea_popescu: thing of it the good way : that much less log to read.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00074124 = 1.186 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: *back to penance*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00074106 = 27.0487 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo has but a tiny bit of pre-log logs.
kakobrekla confesses he misses nefario and prolly some others.
mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 << my first mention.
bounce: <asciilifeform> which miners contain ftdi ? << no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if the typical USB miner's USB interface is exactly that. then again, maybe best leave that to miner programs.
TheNewDeal: Chaaaang-Noi / goat never signed up for gpg , aye?
bounce: also, git allows for generation of patches that're relatively easy to send over a ml then feed'em back to git.
TheNewDeal: nubbins` not those slimy hippos again
nubbins`: april 2012, that predates me by maybe 7 months
mircea_popescu: i was in otc before that. and back in 2011/2012, -otc was pretty much like here.
mircea_popescu: then it... evaporated.
nubbins`: otc is a ghost town
nubbins`: like here, but without discussions
TheNewDeal: lots of trolling tho
nubbins`: and with noobs asking to buy $10 btc with ppusd
mircea_popescu: is sturles still in that game ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: still around anyway
mircea_popescu: incredible, that guy. he's been doing 10bux trades with noobs for what, 3-4 years ? all paypal. he must be married to thiel or something.
mircea_popescu: no idea how he didn't get his accounts frozen.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated sturles
gribble: You rated user sturles on Sat Oct 29 01:49:37 2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.
mircea_popescu: one of the unsung heroes of bitcoin.
TheNewDeal: nubbins` - cats out of the bag ! http://imgur.com/5T5nXXl
BingoBoingo: Hello fivezerotwo
fivezerotwo: Hello BingoBoingo
fivezerotwo: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
fivezerotwo: Meh, it's generally slow enough to be unusable.
BingoBoingo: ;;isup Gribble
gribble: Gribble is up
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 357.5, vol: 22227.78066240 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 355.564, vol: 7662.83937 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 357.89, vol: 37452.28542973 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 357.409811, vol: 67730.70380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 368.36564, vol: 13.95253549 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 355.7179, vol: 147.48973354 | Volume-weighted last average: 357.452315111
BingoBoingo: fivezerotwo: What, do you not like the new favicon?
fivezerotwo: Oh, nice favicon.
BingoBoingo: Thank you.
BingoBoingo: fivezerotwo: May you pretty please let us become legit News Outlet++
fivezerotwo: Heh. Oh, I have another job now, but I'll be back at Qntra soon (^.^)
Apocalyptic: fwiw some DNS servers still don't resolve qntra.net, include mine
fivezerotwo: That's doubtful, perhaps you got banned
Apocalyptic: it's really not
kakobrekla: >Amen to that, entirely too many assholes in the cryptosphere these days. The entry barrier is no longer access to coins, or ability to mine. It is being able to deal with all the children and pricks that think they know it all and that their ideology are law.
mircea_popescu: jesus that lansky fellow is one boring fuck.
mircea_popescu: i've had him shadowed for months now, he's not done anything. i don't even mean anything indictable, he's not done anything AT ALL
mircea_popescu: how can these dorks live like that.
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mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic what does it say ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, can't resolve host, as you can see in https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/qntra.net , some DNS servers all around still didn't catch up
Apocalyptic: not a really big deal
mircea_popescu: australia mostly huh.
Apocalyptic: western europe too, (the nodes are chosen randomly so we don't have the same ones probably)
asciilifeform: !s lansky
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lawsky i mean. the ny derp.
Apocalyptic: but yeah Aus is pretty bad too
mircea_popescu: i suppose the soa cache is the culprit.
mircea_popescu: URL tested:http://qntra.net Test performed from:New York, NY Test performed at:2014-10-24 02:21:20 (GMT +00:00) Resolved As:23.235.236.98 Status:OK Response Time:0.604 sec DNS:0.241 sec Connect:0.091 sec Redirect:0.000 sec First byte:0.091 sec Last byte:0.181 sec Size:35273 bytes
mircea_popescu: i dun see the problem, most of the internet takes more than a second
BingoBoingo: soa = School of Ass???
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo state of authority record
mircea_popescu: no idea what the 502 guy is about.
asciilifeform: am i missing something
nubbins`: ;;google scissorfight planet of ass
gribble: Scissorfight - "Planet of Ass" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzy0JK9-p0>; SCISSORFIGHT planet of ass - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GA1HPBNtn4>; Planet Of Ass - Dark Lyrics: <http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/scissorfight/guaranteedkill.html>
nubbins`: last authed 08-13
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would assbot auth anyway ?
asciilifeform: damned if i know
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
kakobrekla: asciilifeform iirc last gribble auth was when nicks were changed, it does auth to nickserv though
kakobrekla: keeping the key on the server would defeat the purpose of key?
asciilifeform: who said to keep it there, lol
asciilifeform peers into abyss, contempating evil assbot and gribble
asciilifeform: *contemplating
mircea_popescu: undiscovered ?
asciilifeform: undiscovered enough to fuck with some heads
mircea_popescu: like how'd it go ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well kakobrekla just did heart surgery...
asciilifeform if knew - would demonstrate now
mircea_popescu: i guess we find out.
kakobrekla: speaking of assbot, just pushed a patch and going for reset
kakobrekla: !s lansky
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 00:00:08; midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 00:00:08; midnightmagic: jurov: quantum tunnelling doesn't and can't happen for macroscopic objects like that. quantum wave functions are sometimes bounded asymptotically in position.
kakobrekla: !s lansky
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 22:05:36; asciilifeform: http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal << entirely different silicon. from this we learn!! that a) they copied it because usb id is charged for by rent-seeking scumz0rs b) winblows includes ftdi driver already. relationship with microshit. so chinese were forced into this.
decimation: sigh log is down
kakobrekla: use mirror
decimation: yeah I did. is it being ddosed?
asciilifeform: re: ftdi, microshit, usb phoundation:
asciilifeform: !s the air seller
kakobrekla: yeah, say thanks to somenumberasletters guy
decimation: wait, so if windows includes driver, this will only hurt those who use an 'aftermarket' driver?
decimation: or did this get pushed in a windows update?
asciilifeform: decimation: traditional ftdi chip, for no particularly good reason, is reflashable in-band.
decimation: yeah, most usb turds seem to be
asciilifeform: and, afaik, no wp pin on any of them
asciilifeform: Because It Would Be Wrong (TM)
decimation: or 'fuse'
decimation: wait, why would it be wrong to put a wp pin?
joecool: is cardano project still active?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: By thanks you mean make sausage of?
asciilifeform: joecool: yes.
asciilifeform: joecool: see mircea_popescu's site for monthly reports.
decimation: like, it would be unflashable by idiots?
mircea_popescu: ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up
joecool: asciilifeform: thanks
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo the letters are right next to each other.
mircea_popescu: decimation how is it down ?
decimation: I can't get to it
decimation: lemme check why
mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJones
asciilifeform: decimation: if the chinese had simply copied the die, as folks often do, the vulnerability would be no surprise. but instead they reimplemented the thing bug-for-bug.
asciilifeform: from scratch.
decimation: I can't ping it, it resolves to 178.62.254.13
asciilifeform: simple enough best, so there was no real need to make electron micrograph and laboriously reverse the mask
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
decimation: so they exploited their own bugs?
asciilifeform: they simply took the spec & reimplemented.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's fucking weird.
asciilifeform: decimation: they exploited their own 'don't care' bits.
decimation: asciilifeform: if it's an exact duplicate, how do they differentiate it from legit chips?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from wqhat i understand the problem is that they didn';t copy bug for bug. in that they write even bits, the original does not
BingoBoingo: decimation: None of the clones are actual duplicates, they just "borrow" scarce usb id number
TheNewDeal: !up RagnarsBitch
decimation: ah I see
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not even a real counterfeit problem so much as not enough ID numbers problem
mircea_popescu: this is a case of, broken implementation uses its own brokenness to deny things to better competitors
decimation: but presumably the reimplemented devices are 'close enough' for the standard ftdi driver to work?
mircea_popescu: decimation the original only writes bytes in pair. sane implementation write bytes as presented
mircea_popescu: thus the hack makes the sane implementation null itself and fixes the checksum too, while the original ignores both operations because not two bytes involved.
decimation: it certainly seems to me that any owner of the chinese copies has a good basis for a lawsuit
mircea_popescu: what, "unauthorised access to a computer system" ?
decimation: exactly
mircea_popescu: that's like "wmd"s and "terrorism". can only be used one way.
mircea_popescu: tho a high court of justice held in serbia, hanging bush jr and co would be a fun sight.
decimation: I assume that's the phrase you were referencing mircea
mircea_popescu: the uk is such a lulzfest by now.
decimation: yeah it's more american than the us
mircea_popescu: the cheek of them fuckers, anyway. so wait, governments hacking individual phones is a ok, individuals exposing the lies of governments is life in prison ?
mircea_popescu: how about fuck you, rogue state ?
decimation: yeah, that's over the top
mircea_popescu: the only crime is working for a government.
decimation: I can't see how normal people see this anything other than bureaucrats covering themselves, rather than doing anything in 'the people's' interest
mircea_popescu: murder is not in and of itself comparable. neither is rape. certainly not theft.
decimation: so why isn't ftdi management going to jail
decimation: I guess the important part is that bureaucrats keep their jobs, not that owners keep their property
mircea_popescu: there's no way out, the "western world" must burn.
mircea_popescu: and that specifically includes "the countries", ie, governments and their minions. it doth not include "the people" as such.
joecool: no u
gribble: Error: "urmom" is not a valid command.
decimation: last night it occured to me - what if someone took over a botnet and then used it to - create bitcoin nodes
asciilifeform: again, the whole ftdi boobytrap - just another little proggy for microshit virus os.
asciilifeform: decimation: what, precisely, would this accomplish?
decimation: that little scoreboard page could register your custom string :)
asciilifeform: speaking of which.
asciilifeform: someone wants to suggest string?
decimation: well, I like the idea of taking back 'bitcoin foundation', but I find it likely to confuse
asciilifeform: who exactly is part of this perverse digression anyway
decimation: I might contribute a patch or two if the ball is rolling
joecool: woah i just had a DoD ip try to get into my gmail
joecool: 33.40.41.69 <
asciilifeform: tripped the alarm?
joecool: i guess
joecool: yeah "suspicious sign in prevented"
decimation: might have been a misconfigured router somewhere
mircea_popescu: now im curious
asciilifeform: chumpnet node, snore
asciilifeform: I find it likely to confuse << who said to call it a phoundation?
asciilifeform: and is there a name, anyway?
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's good confusion and bad confusion.
mircea_popescu: like for instance, when a 16 yo gets her first boyfriend, who is an alcoholic shithead,
mircea_popescu: and then they finally break up and the sane 2nd guy calls himself ALSO a boyfriend
mircea_popescu: the confusion thus created is positive. it's the confusion that precedes the move from sheer idiocy to sanity.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, creating confusion with the current bitcoin foundation is the best thing that can happen, short of the entire group of shitheads spontaenously combusting in a flame of shit.
asciilifeform: eh, this is like jamming radio
asciilifeform: shouting contest
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: how is this a good thing ?
mircea_popescu: the idea is for people to be able to go "i support the bitcoin foundation" and for derps to go oh, this thing ? and for people to lol superiorly at their cluelessness.
mircea_popescu: this is how derps learn. by finding themselves in a situation where the people they aim to impress laugh at their cluelessness.
mircea_popescu: without this, they have no motivation.
asciilifeform: so are we going for an avignon papacy ?
mircea_popescu: no, we are going for the roman papacy.
mircea_popescu: this current avignon bullshit has run its course.
asciilifeform: there's a fat arse parked at rome already
asciilifeform: how to dislodge?
mircea_popescu: personally, i dun see it.
decimation: generally this takes a french army
mircea_popescu: the rest is just claims. people can claim whatever they like.
BingoBoingo: Pope on a rope?
asciilifeform: rope-a-pope.
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decimation: asciilifeform: I can think of a use for a collection of zombie nodes: discover other nodes and relay transactions
asciilifeform: decimation: the folks who do this now, what do they gain from it ?
asciilifeform: what kind of secret, exactly, is the existence of a node ?
decimation: one might be able to pinpoint the generation of a new block
asciilifeform: !s sybil attack
mod6: wb
mircea_popescu: myeah. ty.
TheNewDeal: ;;gpg info creativex
gribble: No such user registered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the name collision gambit - how far to take it? are we to carry on the entire papal court thing?
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is, the ridiculous meatspace org thing
asciilifeform: the current phoundation rolls in coin of mysterious (or not-so-mysterious) origin, this powers a certain amount of 'loud shout' idiocy
decimation: I'm not sure they are worth the dignifying with targeting
mircea_popescu: i personally don't give a shit. my thinking is, if im making a backloading hoe, i shall name my backloading hoe a backloading hoe. sure, someone may or may not exist figuring his hoe is THE backloading hoe. this does not interest me. if he has already built a "backhoe loading palace" or not, if and when i feel like building a backhoe loading palace, i shall call it... guess ?
TheNewDeal: did anyone else (like goat or theymos) get in trouble a la http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/ ?
mircea_popescu: the only way to avoid this is being in my wot. which the derps in question are not. so therefore they do not exist.
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema nefario, theymos, others known and unknown
gribble: Scammer tag : Nefario, theymos, others known and unknown - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/>; Octombrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/10>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
asciilifeform: !s the problem of enforcement
assbot: 1 results for 'the problem of enforcement' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+problem+of+enforcement
TheNewDeal: mp, was that a response to my 'spergily timed question?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yeah ?
asciilifeform: who, if anyone, owns the meatspace trademarks anyway ?
TheNewDeal: gracias
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform believe it or not... mtgox!
mircea_popescu: bewcause the fucktards in question decided it's best to give it to a "safe company"
asciilifeform somehow misses this
mircea_popescu: i even said in the log, a year or so ago, now it will be bought off a bankruptcy auction
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp and a bottle of cum.
asciilifeform: that'll be the day.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that'll be the day trademark enforceability ends.
decimation: asciilifeform: no one ones "bitcon foundation"
decimation: but I think a trademark must be used.. in trade
mircea_popescu: decimation you can't register X "foundation" aganst the owner of X.
decimation: yeah, it would probably be a court case
decimation: if one lawyered carefully, one could make annoying
mircea_popescu: back in 2012 huh.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suggest 'xbtd'
decimation: it probably collides anyway
TheNewDeal: ok I understand James McCarthy took the hit for glbse, and got banished to his parents basement for eternity
TheNewDeal: and a scammer tag or two was handed out
TheNewDeal: but did anyone go to jail, get fined by sec, etc?
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Nefario
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Nefario: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Nefario | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Nefario | Rated since: Tue Jul 12 22:55:49 2011
TheNewDeal: ;;gpg info Nefario
gribble: User 'nefario', with keyid 28DD49E2A68F4B7C, fingerprint 03B47461C1E526576917215728DD49E2A68F4B7C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Jul 12 02:17:47 2011, last authed on Thu Sep 27 07:05:00 2012. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nefario . Currently not authenticated.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: glbse was 'yi yi zhi yi' and therefore legally untouchable.
asciilifeform: !s yi yi zhi yi
TheNewDeal: in a very straight line?
thestringpuller: running through a WoT graph
thestringpuller: and wow some of the names that pop up when you go back in time
asciilifeform did not invent pinyin, is not to blame for it
asciilifeform: or wait, what
TheNewDeal: I see the reference now - control the barbarians using barbarians
asciilifeform: e.g., mtgox
asciilifeform: !s anarchotyranny
TheNewDeal: so weird to see stuff like copumpkin giving the guy a 4, then everyone else negrating?
mircea_popescu: i doubt copumpkin is keeping much track anymore
asciilifeform: glbse, mtgox - folks who are doing 'god's work' from usg point of view will not be molested by usg.
decimation: lol perhaps the name 'gaijin' keeping with the japanese theme
asciilifeform: (unless they fail to play ball at some point)
TheNewDeal: but james did get bannished to his childhood bedroom
thestringpuller: ^- which james?
TheNewDeal: mccarthy?
thestringpuller: oh nefario
TheNewDeal: nefariolol
TheNewDeal: all the talk about old people and namworld runs off?
asciilifeform: obligatory - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 << my first excretion on the subject, inspired by glbse
decimation: asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet agent who was like 'james bond'
TheNewDeal: stanislav
TheNewDeal: I believe
decimation: I can't find it in the logs, you mentioned him months ago
asciilifeform: wtf even means 'like james bond'. everyone he fucked died same day?
decimation: fictional character
asciilifeform: well certainly
decimation: as in, pop spy
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