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ben_vulpes: would never pass muster in any of the design or fabrication classes that i've taken, but i'll be surprised if it doesn't move from shack to shack for at least half a decade.
ben_vulpes: mind you i had no hand in the actual design or most of the fab outside of the cutting of pieces to dimension (and the insisting upon of dimensioned pieces for cutting)
decimation: lol https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reform-white-house-access-and-grant-comprehensive-executive-amnesty-residency-migrant-omar-j/q8xjkLqj "We urge President Obama to immediately and publicly recognize that Mr. Omar J. Gonzalez, an oppressed migrant, was merely looking for a better life when he entered the White House after going over the classist, divisive and needless fence."
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mats_cd03: was perusing logs, found this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294218.msg3153366 much amusement
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mats_cd03: re: sr gonzalez - imagine if he had a special vest on, rather than a knife.
mats_cd03: would he have caught a bullet, or successfully delivered head to obama post-explosion?
mats_cd03: i wonder what secret service sop is.
mats_cd03: for those that don't know -- suicide vests tend to make head pop off, mostly intact, and land in the vicinity of explosion.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> measuring orthogonality in mm? <<
mircea_popescu: lol the many things asciilifeform is not
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: a 'sherline' is almost a hand-tool.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah turns out the 'advanced' battery pack is just a pile of standard lithium batteries wired in strings << i have no idea what's so advanced about it, basically the whole car is powered offa one of those 4.5 volt things discussed here previously
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and the algorithm you described is precisely what i did. only gotcha is - the machine at present isn't running true.
mircea_popescu: but im curious wtf happens if one of the cells goes to shit and starts heating. turn off whole battery ?
xmj: moin
asciilifeform: how do you 'turn off' an internal short?
mircea_popescu: wire around the cell in question
mircea_popescu: ie, cut it off, let the rest work
asciilifeform: well it has those.
mircea_popescu: does it ?
mircea_popescu: from what i gather the controler is watch only
asciilifeform: mentioned in the captions.
mircea_popescu: charges/discharges all elements simultaneously
mircea_popescu: it has FUSES. but that's for electricity not heat.
asciilifeform: presumably the cells are meant to be spaced in such a way that one, if internal short, does not ignite neighbour.
asciilifeform: whether this was achieved, i cannot say from the picture
asciilifeform does not own this battery, has not watched it die
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asciilifeform: mats_cd03: delivered head << when i first learned the fact about heads, my thought was that there ought to be a 'head cannon' weapon
asciilifeform: explosive collar which launches user's head (wearing a 'pickelhaube' of course) at the enemy.
asciilifeform: fuses << if internal short in cell, fuse will blow (current flows in from neighbours)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose the cell merely overheats.
asciilifeform: overheat and internal short typically go together.
asciilifeform: in the 'heart/liver' way.
mircea_popescu: engineering is engineering.
ben_vulpes: musk made some interesting claims about battery safety behavior in the presence of overheating during the Boeing fire saga.
mircea_popescu: none of them went "whatever, there's a fuse and glty"
ben_vulpes: overheating doesn't cascade in the T batts, but who knows if the thing stays online.
asciilifeform: the sheer amount of stereotypical 'fud' about this poor car - is atounding.
ben_vulpes: can't get a signal anywhere but b-a
asciilifeform: quite like the cigarette firms trying to have the electric aerosol smoking machines banned in usa.
asciilifeform: 'not proven safe111!11'
mircea_popescu: im not trying to get it banned!
asciilifeform: a number of traditional car firms - apparently are.
asciilifeform: why - no idea.
asciilifeform: aside from the grudgewank involving dealerships
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: only the ones who've not bought their own vaporiser company.
asciilifeform: (in usa, it is traditionally forbidden for car manufacturer to run dealerships, and tesla corp. is lobbying to have this repealed. dealers - not pleased.)
ben_vulpes: and didn't we already do the aerosol/vaporizing thing?
ben_vulpes: is it forbidden or just not practiced?
ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that it was the latter.
asciilifeform: in many states, formally banned
ben_vulpes: goodnes
ben_vulpes: apropos only of retarded usian laws, i'm looking into employee-ing up.
ben_vulpes: turns out, i'm liable for unemployment benefits if i fire someone for doing a poor job.
ben_vulpes: at will my arse.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: surely you meant - 'down' ?
asciilifeform: to go below whatever threshold
mircea_popescu: the us is a horrid place to hire.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "lawyer up"
asciilifeform: or to be hired
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just what is it a 'good place' to do? not even - to die. (ever see what even a pauper's burial costs here?)
mats_cd03: join .mil, free funeral.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: laugh, but this is actually one of the attractions.
asciilifeform: some people, for instance, sign up just to get their teeth done.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a great place to pretend.
mircea_popescu: dank's ideal home is the us.
mats_cd03: im not laughing. i served, once, in usg war machine.
ben_vulpes: anyways, there's "art" and cute undercontracted ladies parading around tonight. adieu!
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: but didn't stay to collect free funeral, apparently
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anyone can pretend - even in antarctica. but if you mean, that audience will believe - sure. but what good does it do - if audience is broke.
mats_cd03: its only free if you are kia iirc. otherwise, its... 700usd? lol.
asciilifeform: 700 is serious money for a dead man.
mircea_popescu: holy shit ebaumsworld still exists
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that you feel the love and understanding of a bunch of similar mouthbreathers ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'On January 31, 2009, Bauman reported that ZVUE fired him and the rest of the staff and replaced them with a new team. Furthermore, Bauman claimed ZVUE are falsely using his name in connection with new material, making it look as if Bauman is still employed...' (pediwikia)
mircea_popescu: hence my wow.
asciilifeform: even 'yahoo' still exists.
asciilifeform: hell, ibm exists.
asciilifeform: no one saw it fit to drive a stake through their hearts quite yet.
mircea_popescu: ibm actually has a nice building down here. my lawyer rents a floor from them
mircea_popescu: heck, brother has an outlet store here
mircea_popescu: i tell you it's like time trippin.
asciilifeform: what do they offer? system/360 ?
mircea_popescu: printers and bad fax machines
asciilifeform: aha rebranded chicom turds.
asciilifeform: should've known.
mircea_popescu: wait you meant ibm or brother ?
mircea_popescu: ah, as far as i know real estate
asciilifeform: (does not, afaik, make printers or faxes and hasn't for ~25 yrs)
asciilifeform read 'ibm outlet'
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mircea_popescu: that thing. looks as derpy as you'd expect
asciilifeform: hut-on-chickenlegs
mircea_popescu: no witch, i checked.
decimation: i bet they will sell you a power5 turd too
asciilifeform: perhaps BingoBoingo should knock and see when he's in town
decimation: they probably are in the business of trying to scam the ar gov't
mats_cd03: that looks ugly and expensive
asciilifeform can only explain ibm in argentina one way - they hope the nazis will come out of cryostasis there, and like up to buy gasenwagenkalkulators
asciilifeform: *line up
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure they're just managing real estate left over from the 80s
decimation: here is another ugly building in washington, dc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_headquarters
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mircea_popescu: which they can't sell because well, argentina.
asciilifeform: decimation: nothing beats the fbi headquarters for pure ugly in d.c.
decimation: asciilifeform: heh yeah, looks like gulag
assbot: Ministry of Love - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ my pics
decimation: I thought they were going to get rid of that
asciilifeform: turned out that planned new location already has a cia gulag in the cellar.
asciilifeform: which doesn't want to relocate.
asciilifeform: when you walk by the j.e.hoover bldg, overwhelming sensation that its 'lid' (upper part of photo) is closing in on you
asciilifeform: like gigantic press.
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asciilifeform: the moat (yes, moat) has tiles, like a public toilet. and hose spigots (wash blood away, nice)
decimation: all of those potential relocation sites are shitholes
decimation: but they got 11,000 'federal jobs' so everyone wants
decimation: I wonder how those fbi employees feel about being seen as meat for consumption by the local political elite
decimation: as I recall the fbi headquarters is a block away from the theater where lincoln was murdered
asciilifeform: so is chinatown, where i often go and eat 'chicken'
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover_Building "A list compiled by Trippy.com and Reuters declared the J. Edgar Hoover Building the world's ugliest building, and found it to be a "dreary 1970s behemoth".[60] Los Angeles Times travel writer Christopher Reynolds remarked that the Hoover building is "so ugly, local historians say, that it scared authorities into setting higher standards for pedestrian friendliness among buildings
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decimation: along [Pennsylvania Avenue]".[61]"
asciilifeform: when i walk by that thing, hard to escape the feeling that my 'ratfacecage' is waiting there, in the cellars somewhere.
assbot: Cobbs at Chopt: Why does the salad chain call so many different things a "cobb"?
decimation: asciilifeform: did you ever show up at the dc 'maker space'?
asciilifeform: 'hack-dc' club ?
asciilifeform: went a dozen or so times, some years ago. snore.
decimation: yeah, I wondered if it was worthwhile
decimation: it seems the hype for those things outstrips the actual usefulness - usefulness defined as meeting actual people working on interesting ideas
asciilifeform: afaik these started out as banal 'communal workshop' arrangements
asciilifeform: pool money, buy costly machinery
asciilifeform: incidentally, the ruined church where 'hack-dc' met also hosted a 'clojure' society. after attending a few meetings and trying to actually put the system to use, i ended up writing... well, that post.
decimation: yeah they want $50 per month http://www.hacdc.org/membership/ << they have scanning electron microscope now apparently
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asciilifeform: a carcass, it looks like.
asciilifeform: ' Physical components are in great condition, vacuum testing and electronics replacement is underway.'
decimation: lol yeah
decimation: could buy on ebay at that quality level
asciilifeform: neat balloon pic though.
asciilifeform: (i had no part in this, it was all long after i left)
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thestringpuller: !s coinvoice
thestringpuller: can anyone vouch for coinvoice?
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Duffer1: never heard of
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mircea_popescu: good morning asseteers
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu you would get a kick out of gamersgate
thestringpuller: What it boils down to is many people feeling upset that the video game space has been so heavily politicized with a left-leaning, feminist-driven slant," he said.
thestringpuller: He could be you!
mircea_popescu: maybe. who's he ?
thestringpuller: Erik Kain of Forbes.
mircea_popescu: no, he couldn't be me.
mircea_popescu: i could be him, if i ever deign to write for forbes, which seems unlikely unless i buy it and then it'll be Popescu
thestringpuller: Popescu Magazine
thestringpuller: That's catchy
thestringpuller: I'm certain you'd sue someone who steals that idea...
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care
thestringpuller: it's just funny to me that even "gamers" are sick of the feminist...
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised they noticed and even care.
chetty: lmao
mircea_popescu: who gives a shit what a bunch of libtards say, seriously.
mircea_popescu: this is like junior high courtyard bs. the girls get upset that the boys ignore them so they complain. which the boys ignore, because the girls stink and are stupid and who wants to be involved with one.
mircea_popescu: so the girls build their girlclub to support each other through puberty and dream of one day being married.
chetty: well if girls got actual armor they might play more :P
mircea_popescu: boys buy into naked spiderman just fine.
chetty is totally sick and tired of the girls vs. boys crap
thestringpuller: wow I haven't read maddox in years
bounce: here, take a happy pill
bounce: amazing how formulaic comics are. just like hollywood.
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mircea_popescu: chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?
bounce: (says me, having studiously avoided both for the last couple of years, as much as possible anyway)
mircea_popescu: bounce now why'd that be amazing. it's supposed to be cheap and replicable.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: then they bitch about how it's being replicated.
mircea_popescu: a particular pathology.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is chetty a robot?
bounce: a series isn't a series without a reboot or two, apparently.
thestringpuller: i'm almost certain hanbot is a partial robot though you say she is human ~_~
mircea_popescu: what do you mean, "is chetty a robot" ?!
mircea_popescu: lol you're nuts.
mircea_popescu: and possibly a robot :D
bounce doesn't really want to know but can't help but wonder what the top reboot count is, and which series.
thestringpuller: people tell me that I'm crazy a lot!
thestringpuller: Wild card.
thestringpuller: and cookies
xmj: thestringpuller: interesting question
mircea_popescu: bounce well to be honest (and i've unstudiously avoided both for two decades or more), they're all the same one thing, and so the classics have been badly reimplemented by the us pulp industry many times, and they keep rebooting it
mircea_popescu: because it dun work.
xmj: thestringpuller: do the people from the other gender you attract mostly exhibit craziness?
mircea_popescu: but hey, why should it even work, when you got a whole reboot process.
thestringpuller: xmj: yessir! we're fucking radicals! like odd future
xmj: thestringpuller: then you're legit crazy
xmj: same thing here.
mircea_popescu: wait, you got a girlfriend ?!
mircea_popescu: well either as it works out lol
xmj: well
xmj: if you mostly pull crazy women
xmj: you're crazy yourself. law of attraction, like attracts like, all that
xmj: "Opposites attract" is a lie.
bounce: no real reason why really. donald duck dun' need no steenkin' reboots, and has been around since what, 1934
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chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty well you're not in the demographic you know ?// you mean libtards? I dun have to be in it to be sick of it
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea. She's a lurker for sure.
mircea_popescu: chetty no i mean teenagers and young adults.
mircea_popescu: bounce a surprisingly good objection actually!
mircea_popescu: http://perpelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/iberkeley-liten.jpg <<< asciilifeform dunno if that's naggum or not, but i gotta say that'd be the prototype for the romanian "fata de-mpins vagoane", ie, railcart pushing face
bounce: could have to do with the demographic, where teen memory is slightly longer than pre-teen memory so they (feel they) need regular reboots to capture the demographic or something. could also have to do with the writers not being on a short enough leash. dunno really.
bounce is sure there's a libarts dissertation or two in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: my money is on the latter really.
mircea_popescu: donald is one of the very few well managed franchises.
bounce: to the point that as soon as the mouse threatens to go out of copyright, copyright gets extended
bounce: but yeah
xmj: bounce: define reboot ?
mircea_popescu: at the cost of killing the whole copyright notion altogether.
bounce: eventually
mircea_popescu: people have this constant naive approach, a pipe breaks ? push your palm on it.
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, im sure your magical palm will relieve pressure out of a badly designed, failing apparatus.
mircea_popescu: it definitely won't blow somewhere else
mircea_popescu: magical palms!!1
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thestringpuller: so much money in licensing though
thestringpuller: why make the movie yourself when someone will pay you to make it for you
mircea_popescu: because they'll make it shitty.
thestringpuller: what if you don't care about that and just the money?
mircea_popescu: why fuck your own wife when someone will pay to fuck her for you, for that matter.
thestringpuller: there is a movie about that.
mircea_popescu: maybe because you don't wanna sleep in the bed where all the random bacteria off random cocks collect and pool.
thestringpuller: i think the end they made a business on letting his wife get fucked by millionaires but I'm fuzzy
thestringpuller: i understand your notion tho :P
mircea_popescu: "He ran in to some very serious problems that poisoned his existence for many years, and made him lose faith in humans. These problems (I won’t go into details, let sleeping dogs lie) would have agonized anyone, but most people would, in time, have come to terms with life’s injustice and cruelty." << asciilifeform what, was the guy in jail or something ?
mircea_popescu: tho i guess it actually sounds more like a messy divorce, with a child involved. did he have kids ?
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mircea_popescu: oh teh norvegian revenue service. heh. fucktards.
mircea_popescu: if turing is a good (and in fact the only) good reason to dismantle the statally organised repression of gayness
mircea_popescu: i'll readily contend that naggum is a sufficient, if by no means the only good reason to dismantle any statal revenue service.
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assbot: Herd Thither, Me Hither (revised)
mircea_popescu: "In those days, nobody bought Macintoshes. But strangely, our office was besieged by people wanting us to demonstrate the Macintosh and its nifty features.
mircea_popescu: Would these people buy a Macintosh? No. But they would take up a lot of our time asking “What is the benefit of Mac? Why is it superior to Windows? Explain why we should I buy one for each employee.” And no matter how interested they seemed, and no matter what we said or did, they would weigh their options… and then buy a Windows computer."
mircea_popescu: "What they really meant was, Nobody ever got fired for buying a Windows Box."
mircea_popescu: fuck that. i'll fire you for being bland.
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mircea_popescu: this is what the idiotic us puritan obsession with propriety has gotten. this. it's a scourge upon humanity and a shameful macula of untold disgrace.
assbot: Re: Dead software (was: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors) - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: there's nothing more shameful than being a good usian.
chetty is glad you put the 'good' modifier in there
mircea_popescu: hey, nobody's fault they were born among imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: but it starts looking badly if they somehow manage to stay.
mircea_popescu: "They weren’t interested in finding out whether Macintosh would be useful for them: They were interested in being able to say to the world that they have an open mind and researched all the possibilities, but somehow, somehow, they finished up back where they started, using the same damn thing that everyone else is using."
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mircea_popescu: didja do your homework ? yessir. didja learn anything ? o, no, i wouldn't do that!
asciilifeform: '...the Norwegian government, which for a few years decided to tax me based on what I should have been _able_ to earn, and therefore _probably_ earned without reporting to them, so I should pay taxes on it, plus penalties for lying to them...'
asciilifeform: (whole thing worth reading)
mircea_popescu: "You can’t simply ask someone if they have no intention of buying a Macintosh. Everybody lies, especially to salespeople." << the funny thing in there is, people generally despise SALESMEN for being lying scumbags. but, in fact, people lie to them as an article of faith, and in sheer volume necessarily exceed anything the salesman could push out.
mircea_popescu: same thing with cops. people don't like the psychopatholgy of policemen, but then again the same "people" are lying and trying to beat down the cop two dozen times a day
mircea_popescu: not the sorts of jobs one can do and remain in possession of his wits.
mircea_popescu: So the easy question to ask is this: “Are you trying to figure out whether to change? Or trying to figure out which change to make?” << good point. first category needs to hire a manager, not talk to salesmen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform course, that's his off the cuff interpretation of what happened.
asciilifeform: there's more detail in other posts, i think.
mircea_popescu: i have little faith the man was actually apt to follow the legal intricacies, which altogether require a different mind than one which wilfully chose lisp over say basic.
mircea_popescu: quite opposite, in fact, i would suspect.
mircea_popescu: the cleanest way to represent the legal tradition, as well as the legal implementation of that tradition in any extant sovereign of the fiat, geographical, obsolete kind,
asciilifeform: afaik he was actually an amateur scholar of law (in own country and elsewhere.)
mircea_popescu: is to think of a basic program of equal length.
mircea_popescu: well, amateur in the "this is what i think the law should be" school of amateurship, or amateur in the "trying to figure out what this thing is" school of amateurship ?
asciilifeform: what is.
mircea_popescu: well then dunno.
asciilifeform: here's what i recall (any other delvers in naggum archive, feel free to correct)
asciilifeform: at one point he figured out that, given taxation law in No, his standard of living would not much change if he cut his consulting to 2-3 months of a year.
asciilifeform: and so he did.
asciilifeform: (seems like norway has, or at least had at the time, a confiscatory tax scheme where you lose essentially 100 percent after a certain point.)
mircea_popescu: still has, afaik.
mircea_popescu: their deal is, "we have all this oil, we will spend the proceeds on welfare, in exchange we also take everyone's money"
chetty: if you actually figured out all your tax in us wouldnt be much diff
mircea_popescu: so you know, most people making a buck and getting by this scheme a buck fiddy are happy with it,
mircea_popescu: the politico leeches sucking that fiddy cents for nothing are trilled
mircea_popescu: and so...
asciilifeform: chetty: the us is quite the same, except that here they add insult to injury by letting the fattest kulaks escape all taxation rather easily
chetty: usa is a reverse robinhood
mircea_popescu: yeah, the us is a different system. it doesn't have mega natural wealth to prop itself, so it works as a "buffettlying to prevent the children of the middleclass pushing him out" system
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but anyway, you were saying.
asciilifeform: chetty: likewise, there are many unofficial collectors of 'tax' here (which is to say, not actual tax, but other unavoidable wealth extraction like rent that conveniently zaps every penny of your surplus)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, precisely that buffett thread
chetty: well thats kinda what I meant about counting ALL the tax. The property 'owner' pays tax and passes it along in your 'rent' amount and so forth
Duffer1: police tax
asciilifeform: so naggum was dragged into the courts, eventually escaped with his life but not particularly much money
Duffer1: driving 1mph over limit that's a taxin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and didn't forthwith set sail for argentina because ...
Duffer1: i got a 175$ ticket for failing to come to a complete stop before exiting a driveway once
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that part i understand.
asciilifeform: probably same reason i haven't.
xmj: Duffer1: Friday I paid a ticket for 1km/h too much.
mircea_popescu is rather naive in the ways of the world.
xmj: Duffer1: CHF 40,00
xmj: :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's he to do in argentina? teach the pampas cats and ocelots common lisp ?
mircea_popescu: dude, they didn't have the internet in the 1990s ?
Duffer1: lol xmj
mircea_popescu: i seem to remember despising *something* at that time
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was the superhighway something or the other
kakobrekla: asciilifeform you current job/s require physical presence?
asciilifeform: at that time, naggum was sitting in standards groups and eventually became indirectly responsible for the atrocity of 'xml' (he authored the 'sgml' standard, its grandparent)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what are you, an escort ?!
chetty: hmm most of the standards groups at that time met on phone ...
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: traditionally, even 'tele-'whatever work in usa requires at least an occasional physical visit, simply to make sure you haven't republikfluchted, apparently
mircea_popescu: no fucking body traveled to sit on a rfc comission unless they really wanted to visit a gf or something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hire actors.
jurov: that would be advice for BingoBoingo
jurov: hire doppelganger, walk out
chetty: there was that guy recently, worked for the epa I think, claimed he was also cia and just took off for months whenever he wanted
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the fuck are you doing working without a company anyway, and why is it not registered in gibraltar or w/e the fuck they do
mircea_popescu: what sort of legal amateurship is this!
kakobrekla: and you cant sell your skills, which we all know are plentiful, outside usa ? hard to believe.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no because argentina consists of pampas cats
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of my jobs is indeed a company i co-own - but the only customer is usg, and the office is required to be within a few km of a particular institute.
mircea_popescu: and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme
mircea_popescu: and what's more, the argentine govt doesn't have like 5 bn in usd cash, nor does it have a horrid starvation of talent.
asciilifeform did 6 yrs. of spanish, reads, e.g., marquez, just fine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so ? hire ms boring to sit in that office and split
asciilifeform: brb, teatime
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and what the fuck are you doing owning companies in own name anyway
mircea_popescu: recurse for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: in short : ditch this mentality where the other party matters, in any sense, and make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt.
mircea_popescu: it's called business, what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: it's not marriage, it's not a love affair. it's an exercise in destroying everything whatsoever and mocking the rest.
mircea_popescu: business partners with the usg, god help us. what will fiction produce next, the harem of wolves, flying to the moon on own farts, mind boggles.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> hire doppelganger, walk out << incidentally, you know they did this in the times of the good soldier svjek ?
jurov: no?
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mircea_popescu: o yeah. you were simply required to not alter the headcount.
mircea_popescu: generally everyone produced a replacement for military service
mircea_popescu: and if needed, prison.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you had someone to serve for you, all is well.
mircea_popescu: "I wish people would get more interested in _knowing_ the world they want to change. I can't keep lecturing obnoxious morons forever just because they have these wild-eyed desires that they think can be accomodated if they start a revolution or something."
mircea_popescu: ha! epic.
mircea_popescu: "here's a lithmus test on "good ideas": if it were applied to you, would you still think it's a good idea? in other words: if you can't imagine yourself as the vendor, maybe it's time to drop the good idea stuff, too?"
mircea_popescu: since we're talking security, as in, false subjective sense of, here's an excellent read on the topic :L http://braythwayt.com/homoiconic/2013/12/28/why-you-need-a-degree-to-work-for-bigco.html
assbot: Why You Need A Degree To Work For BigCo
mircea_popescu: it's mindblowing just how clever, on the point and far seeing reginald braithwaite is, while at the same time how idiotically fixated on "equality" and "empathy" and all the rest of that pointless drivel.
mircea_popescu: rarely has the imbecile/genius duality been more pointedly on display.
mircea_popescu: not that he's that much of a genius, or that much of an imbecile. but then again, to display dynamic equilibrium you aren't particularly better served by a VERY LONG lever.
mircea_popescu: much more instructive is a lever of reasonable length that sits put on its support a long time.
asciilifeform drank tea
asciilifeform: make a sport out of rubbing its hopes, aspirations and legitimate expectations into the dirt >> try being a pauper in the Big Zone some time...
mircea_popescu: you know... i wasn't born rich.
asciilifeform: hire doppelganger >> try this with people who worked in same room with you for years.
mircea_popescu: it will work. call him your legal representative, or w/e.
mircea_popescu: they'll get used to it.
mircea_popescu: people often thought mpoe-pr is me, or male, or so forth.
mircea_popescu: people wish to believe.
TheNewDeal: I thought so
asciilifeform: legal representative will point out errors in ancient fortran code, or resolder a loose component?
TheNewDeal: it just sounds like you're writing
asciilifeform: then where would i come in asking for pay, after that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. but to be present.
mircea_popescu: errors will be communicated on the next pass.
mircea_popescu: and i doubt what you do for a living is solder jobs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: know the 'which screw' joke ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal that is merely good discipline on the part of the actor in question.
assbot: Knowing which screw to turn
asciilifeform: ancient tale
mircea_popescu: i do, but you're really arguing a lot on a very narrow square inch of footing.
mircea_popescu: i don't care how deeply anchored in the core of the world it may be. it's a square inch and it's getting flattened.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> you know... i wasn't born rich. < http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3623336
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hahaha, but no.
mircea_popescu: at the time i was a 16yo with his own driver, my father earned an impressing $680 a year.
asciilifeform agrees in principle with mircea_popescu. but only gets to eat by 'turning correct screw' because of a set of personal connections which, as usual, aren't portable.
mircea_popescu: and it WAS impressive, for the time and place. because hey, the russians tried to build an utopia of empathy and equality, and failed.
mircea_popescu: the result being, that everyone involved with the attempt earned peanuts. just like your average gi joe today earns whatever hundred bitcoins and thinks it a big deal.
asciilifeform: karl friedrich gauss was also an impressive chap at 16, if in different ways, yes
mircea_popescu: (yes, yes, i know, bitcoins aren't inflationary etc. but the hundreds to peanuts comparison is not there)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out, a point easily missed by naggum and im sure gauss, and many other very smart people.
mircea_popescu: all good math is based on a CORRECT easy way out.
mircea_popescu: ie, one that is actually homologous with the solution, not merely easy.,
asciilifeform: gauss actually is interesting to mention here, given as he made many 'leaps of intuition' - most of them, into neverneverland. he knew this, even, and so refrained from publishing most of his work
mircea_popescu: there's no prizes for doing things the obvious, hard way, outside of a heartfelt obituary by an age worn woman with beautiful blue eyes
asciilifeform: (including his non-euclidean geometry pieces)
mircea_popescu: that part wasn't so bad was it ?
asciilifeform: that part - mostly worked!
asciilifeform: but he sat on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now read the bwaithe piece
asciilifeform: there are firms like this, somewhere. can't say i ever saw one alive in person, but then again how would i.
asciilifeform: there's a lot of value in looking for the easy way out << yes:
asciilifeform: !s cheetah zoo
asciilifeform continues search for fence hole
mircea_popescu: well the easy way out involves expert cheating.
mircea_popescu: guy even fucking quotes seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: oh, weird world that has such variety in it.
mats_cd03: or, 'how to engineer paranoia into a pleb still using facebook'
mircea_popescu: worthy cause.
asciilifeform: another old-time favourite - custom router firmware.
asciilifeform: (was surprised when read 'roommate' and joke did not involve above)
mircea_popescu: http://braythwayt.com/homoiconic/2009/10/10/high-anxiety.html <<< actually that is the missing stone i was looking for.
assbot: High Anxiety
mircea_popescu: fucktard is so affraid of this world he's stuck in "empathy" and "equality" and herpy-derp because god forbid, what if!!11
mircea_popescu: ah reading is such a pleasure.
asciilifeform: lol srsly? 'destroyed' by game of go ?!
mircea_popescu: anxious type.
mircea_popescu: if i step on a snail, strictly for the purpose of stepping on the snail, he'll prolly go berserk on me just out of the need to somehow resolve the anxiety he feels
asciilifeform: if 'destroyed' by losing at go, what'll become of him when dealing with folks actually bent on his destruction ?
mircea_popescu: "it's just a fucking snail" not available to his mind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his life is dedicated to their inexistence.
asciilifeform: how can man persist in that state, day after day, and not fellate his pistol ?
mircea_popescu: hence he hates "racists", those people who say things like "it's just a fucking snail"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a whole swath of other nonsense built on nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it... works.
asciilifeform: i bet he at least polishes it every day, and plays with it, and considers.
asciilifeform: like the 'dulap' man's grandfather.
mircea_popescu: that's why the fucking bigco hires what he describes.
mircea_popescu: because if it hired disruptive, fearless folks... well... who knows what rocking the boat could do.
mircea_popescu: if i went to work for google/apple/pepsi/w/e and in the first month a hundred employees killed themselves, i'd just welcome the news, and definitely blog about it.
mircea_popescu: but for pepsico itself... well... too much.
asciilifeform: oh and... are we sure this creature is a male ?
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: depending quite what you mean.
mircea_popescu: he's the coffeejava guy
asciilifeform floored by the sheer perversity
mircea_popescu: perversion is the only enduring contribution of mankind to the universe.
asciilifeform: except for the puritanical variety, which, in al schwartz's words, 'has the unique damnation of being both perverse and boring.'
mircea_popescu: they're all boring to the right eyes.
mircea_popescu: "for every breathtakingly hot woman you ever see, there's a cock somewhere flacid at her mere memory"
TheNewDeal: ^hahahaha
mircea_popescu: "He and I became fast friends and life was rather wonderful. We were both self-employed and often worked from home together in our own little co-working space. We occasionally would hang out with friends together and one day he decided to have some fun with me." <<< WE BUILT OUR OWN CUBICAL!!1 out of materials found in every home! read the secret that has all middle managers jealous!
asciilifeform: laugh, laugh, but i once visited the home of a man who built own cube.
asciilifeform: then again, history tells us of at least four who built... own guillotines.
mircea_popescu: well i used to be friends with this nutso who built his own.... guillotine.
asciilifeform: and used them personally.
mircea_popescu: he didn't use it, but it was illegal. somehow, i still don't know how this worked, tbh.
asciilifeform: ah usually the builder puts it to use personally.
mircea_popescu: guy was well disturbed tho, and the puzzlement of teh authorities threw him over the edge
asciilifeform: with a timer, or otherwise
nubbins`: lit candle placed diagonally under the rope
asciilifeform: one did this, yes
asciilifeform recently went to a dusty old book store, where saw a reprint of newspaper piece about that one.
nubbins`: wax timer :D
mircea_popescu: seems the best would be, immerse penis, use displaced volume to actuate, watch porn
asciilifeform: another had a water clock timer
asciilifeform: one, if i recall, also had a chloroform rag in the loop somehow
nubbins`: glue piezo element to butthole, feed burritos
nubbins`: thousand solutions to this problem
mircea_popescu: paint it in manycolors, drop acid.
asciilifeform: in hilarious novel 'stand on zanzibar', there was a service that would, for a fee, execute the client in any one of a variety of 'historic' methods
asciilifeform: e.g. guillotine, the stake, etc
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mats_cd03: 'Army officials are also looking into how to grade the new tests, with a simple "excellent," "good" or "poor" potentially replacing a pass-fail or a point score.'
mats_cd03: i loled irl.
mats_cd03: reminds me of some charter schools i had interacted with as a little one. no more grades, nobody can fail, everyone's a winner.
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mats_cd03: seems a poor way to run a warrior class, imo.
mircea_popescu: well yes but this is a move from 0/1 not from 0/10
mircea_popescu: "EDIT: I’ve told this story at conferences and in bars for months and absolutely love teaching through humor, but I’ve always been extremely self-conscious about my writing. I want to thank the absolutely amazing people on the /r/marketing subreddit and those in commenting below for giving me such profound feedback and encouragement on this article. I guarantee you that there will be MANY more like it in the very n
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: ear future. Thank you for your support and your laughter."
mircea_popescu: the problem with the facebook ads being that they are absolute rubbish
mircea_popescu: to the degree even the people trying to sell them are trying on the basis of "humor", ie, complete marketing failure.
TheNewDeal: they don't know how to target
mircea_popescu: yes fb, tyvm for having built a car that can't move but is a great guillotine counterweight.
mircea_popescu: if i ever need a way to counterweight a guillotine i'll think of you!
TheNewDeal: just heard a 25 yr o girl that received an "enlarge p3n1s pillz!!"
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it is always the ready excuse of the manufacturer of a bad car that "people just don't know how to drive"
mircea_popescu: somehow the same people that know how to game google into the dirt "don't know how to target".
TheNewDeal: google's pretty good. they just query my searches, repeat in ad form
TheNewDeal: I search "gold," all of next week I see gold rubbish
nubbins`: targeted advertising is mirthful
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nubbins`: my wife has very little info on her FB page and posts very infrequently
asciilifeform: i want 'targeted' ads every bit as much as roaches want 'targeted' roach spray.
nubbins`: so the algos just default to "xx year old woman" and show her ads for weight loss and wedding planning
xmj: your wife needs wedding planning?
xmj: she's about to serve you a divorce, mate
nubbins`: she's married and can bench press more weight than me ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` more weight than you weight or more weight than you press ?
nubbins`: heh. more than i can press
mircea_popescu: well not in mortal danger yet
mircea_popescu: but better grow fat while you still can
xmj: as i said
nubbins`: nah, she can barely bench half my weight right now
xmj: she's about to serve you a divorce, mate
nubbins`: i'm eating potato chips right now to help defend myself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, i don't see the problem. let them read everything i write and make sense to me.
nubbins`: altho she can pick me up, so there's that
mircea_popescu: i expect no less of a human, why would i deter this of a computer ?
assbot: A Woman's Story
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 260791425.666
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
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mircea_popescu: fucking hell 20%
mircea_popescu: how, is what i want to know.
mircea_popescu: 50 ph ? srsly ?
nubbins`: just wait until they turn on the rest of the farm
mircea_popescu: what farm, by now this is a whole planet.
TheNewDeal: that bet is so prime right now
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, am i the only one to find it shocking that the hollow earth crowd hasn't squeezed in on btc mining yet ?
mircea_popescu: SECRET UNDERGROUND MINING FARMS!!!
TheNewDeal: ;;ud hollow earth
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hollow%20earth | ... hollow balls · Hollow Book · hollow bunny · hollow bunny trauma · hollow conversation · hollowcore · hollow crackin' · Hollow Day ... hollow earth isn't defined.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal there's this group that believes the earth is hollow inside, and stuff lives there.
nubbins`: but physics
TheNewDeal: thought it was?
nubbins`: oh you!
TheNewDeal: giggity giggity
TheNewDeal: so I'm trying to test out this mycelium trader bullshit
TheNewDeal: requested a buy from this asshole 4 hours ago
TheNewDeal: no response
mircea_popescu: maybe it has to build the fruiting body
TheNewDeal: come again?
nubbins`: HEH.
nubbins`: insert mushroom-tip joke here
nubbins`: ;;google penis envy p. cubensis
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TheNewDeal: thats a head I wouldn't mind swallowing
TheNewDeal: don't quote me on that
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nubbins`: !b 3
TheNewDeal: gracias
nubbins`: bitcointalk.org blocked in china!
TheNewDeal: 5,000 "bitcoin china ban" threads result
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jurov: dem phalocybes
mircea_popescu: theymos jailed in china'd sound better tbh.
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TheNewDeal: thought he lived in madison, wi?
nubbins`: madison, china, w/e
nubbins`: read an article earlier today that coal burned in china accounts for 20-30% of environmental mercury in usa
TheNewDeal: seems like a hard point to prove
TheNewDeal: didn't the us allow mercury around for many decades?
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: pollution drift from asia is well-understood at this point
nubbins`: fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb
TheNewDeal: wikiderpia says largest contribution is from burning fossil fuels
TheNewDeal: "Currently, only Minnesota has a use-restriction law providing that mercury sold in the state will be used only for medical, dental, instructional, research, or manufacturing purposes." Well, what teh fuck else is it going to be used for?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> fwiw, the US (and canada, and every other country) still allows mercury "around", you just need to put it in a light bulb <<<
mircea_popescu: better than those evil, inert tungsten ones.
nubbins`: inorite?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal masturbation.
mircea_popescu: minnesota is very down on jacking off
TheNewDeal: damn right
nubbins`: i live in fucking canada, i have my heat on for maybe 7-8 months of the year, and soon it will be illegal for me to buy a lightbulb that produces heat
nubbins`: consider the logic
mircea_popescu: soon my foot.
mircea_popescu: they kept derping about this in the eu. as i left romanian, proper lightbulbs were still on sale.
nubbins`: now i have to buy a bulb that contains mercury, and the power plant has to burn more coal to keep me warm
mircea_popescu: you couldn't buy them in the foreign supermarkets. which romanians don't buy from anyway.
nubbins`: you're not allowed to manufacture or import 100W incandescents in canada right now
nubbins`: once current stock depletes, that's it
TheNewDeal: they're gonna kick me out if I try and bring a bulb across the border?
mircea_popescu: from where, the north pole ?
mircea_popescu: lol mexico-canada via the us lightbulb ring
TheNewDeal: They only allow you to bring in one carton of smokes
TheNewDeal: you can buy them for ~40USD per carton (10 packs), then they sell em for ~11 CAD
mircea_popescu: the serbs been doing this for a while in timisoara. (serbia not b eing part of the eu)
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nubbins`: duty-free smokes
nubbins`: cheapest i've seen is japan, $14 for a carton of marl
TheNewDeal: had a friend that would import smokes from china, sell them to his frat memebers
nubbins`: cops hate that
TheNewDeal: said approx 3/10 shipments would get confiscated at the border
TheNewDeal: still worth the money
nubbins`: ehh i think people who bring in contraband smokes are fucking dickheads
TheNewDeal: contraband?
nubbins`: untaxed
nubbins`: like your friend's chinese smokes
bounce: makes'em better. double the sin!
nubbins`: move to a country with free universal health care and see how you feel about it 8)
TheNewDeal: It's just a joke that they're the exact same shit
mircea_popescu: well on the neutral industrial basis of it, a pack is like 20 cents or something.
TheNewDeal: I'm not going to get into the arguement, but smokers are less of a health care burden. They die early and quick
bounce: so only pull that trick in countries that don't have universal healthcare
mircea_popescu: this argument is broken against smoking. it's an argument against universal health care.
bounce: "I hate the local healthcare system, let's smuggle some smokes!"
mircea_popescu: for instance. nonsense breeds any nonsense you chose.
TheNewDeal: Anyways, I wasn't the one smuggling in the smokes. Co-worker was the one, except he legitimately smoked them. Type of brainset that thinks he is saving $X whilst smoking through 9 packs in 10 days
TheNewDeal: Anyways, guy bums a smoke from him outside the hotel, gives him a looney
TheNewDeal: people try to give you quarters in the us
nubbins`: dollar smokes, pretty steep
nubbins`: only 9 packs in 10 days tho?
nubbins`: that's hardly even a smoker
nubbins`: i used to do 9 packs in a week
mircea_popescu: i still have a pack someone gave me when i moved here
nubbins`: it'll be 3 years since my last on october 16
TheNewDeal: not bad
mircea_popescu: wait i've been bloggibng for longer than you've been not smoking ?
mircea_popescu: filthy unhabit!
TheNewDeal: hahha
nubbins`: i recall approaching the one-month mark, and a friend suggested i celebrate by smoking all the cigarettes that i hadn't in the past month
TheNewDeal: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: !up Klodet
nubbins`: had a lel, did some mental math, realized that'd be like 700+ cigarettes
nubbins`: realized what i'd been doing to my body :0
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mircea_popescu: nonsense tho
mircea_popescu: move from say japan to canada,
mircea_popescu: then after a month have all the radiation you missed out on
mircea_popescu: in one go
TheNewDeal: so, just because he hasn't been bathing in radiation, smoking 700 cigarettes in 10 days isn't bad?
TheNewDeal: seems like a stretch
mircea_popescu: no, but the damage in smoking 700 ciggs in one go has more to do with the one go than with the ciggs
nubbins`: probably need an ambulance around the third pack
mircea_popescu: keep a diet for a month, then eat all the food you didn't eat in one sitting. course you'll burst your stomach. etc
TheNewDeal: your esophagus would just swell closed
mircea_popescu: none of this to propose smoking is healthy or anything
nubbins`: anyway, obv all in one go is worse, point is i smoked 700 cigs a month
mircea_popescu: just, gotta keep up appearances at technicality club
nubbins`: heh.
TheNewDeal: kind of reminds me of the monkeys that died from smoking cannabis
TheNewDeal: anyone hear of that experiment?
nubbins`: technicality club: "can i take your coat sir?" "it's a blazer"
nubbins`: TND is that one of those face-mask-pumping-pure-smoke deals?
nubbins`: sounds vaguely familiar
assbot: The Government's Monkey Experiment
TheNewDeal: Can't remember where I heard of it first, but thats the tldr I guess
TheNewDeal: what in the fack
Klodet: nubbins is this you
Klodet: and yours dad?
TheNewDeal: looked like an emaciated schwarznegger (sp)
mircea_popescu: i wonder if smoking will ever be replaced by something equally insane
mircea_popescu: "gargle volcano water"
mircea_popescu: "insert dung into your rectum"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12582 @ 0.00074851 = 9.4178 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: well vodka shots up the ass
TheNewDeal: thats close
mircea_popescu: vodka is no good, but spritz will definitely loose up any woman.
nubbins`: nah, just some guys
assbot: A 15 Centimeter Hagfish Nano-thread With Near Gigapascal Tensile Strength Is Wound Up In A Single Cell | Neomatica
mircea_popescu: any francophone with vaillant experience ?
TheNewDeal: At my old job, got to see a manufacturing process for high strength power lines (for longer spans than normal, like a wide river). They had to extrude these extremely fine threads, over hundreds of meters in length, and if a few broke, it was all scrap
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have background for naggum's "Free Software is a protest movement. Open Source is just a weapon." comment in that "business plan" thread?
ben_vulpes: "(watch GNU ls acquire
ben_vulpes: "human" sizes, for instance: multiples of 1000, instead of 1024.)" << this is what human means on unix?!
ben_vulpes boggles
xmj: ben_vulpes: GNU's not unix
xmj: (seriously.)
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: is "human" 1000 across all of gnu?
xmj: GNU tools are pretty much invariant across all linux distributions, if that's what you mean
ben_vulpes: sounds like well-cast braindamage.
TheNewDeal: are 2^x numbers not human readable?
ben_vulpes: i'm coming to the conclusion that i'm an alien
ben_vulpes: i started playing with tiling window managers recently, to the horror of the golden cage people surrounding me
ben_vulpes: "but there are tools for manipulating your workspace!"
ben_vulpes: "and do you use them?"
ben_vulpes: "no..."
ben_vulpes: "have you tried them?"
ben_vulpes: "a little..."
ben_vulpes: just enough to uncover their wholesale inadequacy and go back to the miserable rodential dragging and resizing of windows around monitors
TheNewDeal: I found it mildly convenient that you could drag and smash the windows to the edge and get it to cover half
TheNewDeal: windows usability is just going through teh roof
ben_vulpes: i read too much about lisp machines this weekend
ben_vulpes: not good for my tiny little brain
ben_vulpes: makes me unhappy in my cage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00074851 = 4.1587 BTC [+]
decimation: mircea_popescu: Your "a woman's story" link is a nice story, but it does not present a picture of usg employment law today.
nubbins`: hard to beat osx app expose for workflow
decimation: Note that even in the 'dark ages', the employer accepted her skills and hired her.
nubbins`: dem gestures
nubbins`: dat exploded view
decimation: Today usg requires that employers hire 'qualified' employees: http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html << which means that if the black guy barely meets the 'criteria' for a job, then you must hire
assbot: Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions AndAnswers
ben_vulpes: try working with a text editot full-screened, nubbins`.
ben_vulpes: editor*
nubbins`: why would i want to :(
ben_vulpes: to understand my helllllllllll
decimation: ben_vulpes: using emacs on a mac - I find the most fustrating thing is the "C-up arrow"
decimation: I often switch between "C-p,C-n" and the arrow keys
decimation: a mistype will move my desktop or minimize my window or whatever
nubbins`: ...have you considered changing your osx keyboard shortcuts?
ben_vulpes: for extra hell, bind meta to cmd
ben_vulpes: decimation:
ben_vulpes: and forgo meta-tab
decimation: I did take your suggestion of switching caps lock and ctrl, makes my 'emacs pinky' go away.
decimation: yeah I've been eyeing the useless 'super' binding
ben_vulpes: are you using the matsuhiro port?
ben_vulpes: (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!)
decimation: no I'm using emacs from macports
decimation: yeah I use two monitors and osx is crazy with window management
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 59 @ 0.01085 = 0.6402 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes still around?
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074591 / 0.00074857 / 0.00075121 (658197 shares, 492.71 BTC), 7D: 0.00074591 / 0.00075255 / 0.0007685 (4117488 shares, 3,098.65 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075279 / 0.00086605 (15827569 shares, 11,914.99 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00074745 = 11.0623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7617 @ 0.00074745 = 5.6933 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: yessir?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bounce: happens all the time. like "compensation" for slavery that happened hundreds of years ago.
bounce: (which is of course the embodiment of the white man's evil nature that needs urgent atonement, and nevermind that the scary brown people down in africa practiced it just as much if not more... and to an extent still do)
assbot: Chirp and mutter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 51 @ 0.01099999 = 0.561 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: !up guruvan
nubbins`: !up bitstein
nubbins`: !up xdotcommer
nubbins`: !up Cory
nubbins`: !up unbalanced
bounce: bot doesn't allow for multiple names on an !up line?
jurov: !up *
jurov: ^or this :D
nubbins`: i don't think so
nubbins`: !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c BananaLotus guruvan belcher Azelphur
jurov: ;;echo !up mius
gribble: !up mius
jurov: okay, this is closed
assbot: Programmers could get REPL in official Java | JavaWorld
jurov: ^one big wtf
assbot: Stevey's Blog Rants: Execution in the Kingdom of Nouns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00075115 = 22.3843 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00075003 = 9.5629 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation: Note that even in the 'dark ages', the employer accepted her skills and hired her. << that was exactly my note.
mircea_popescu: boo hoo racism, horribru how they hired the woman after all.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!) <<< i'd be happy if people just came to some sort of consistent treatment of focus
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there? << in that case what makes the indians' land the indians' ? they can't be held liable for their ancestors appropriations.
mircea_popescu: sooo according to oglaf.com, this thing > http://www.spinnyverse.com/ is paying $200+ A DAY for advertising.
assbot: Spinnerette
mircea_popescu: there's just no fucking way.
BingoBoingo: jurov: that would be advice for BingoBoingo, jurov: hire doppelganger, walk out << I'll decline to comment on whether this option has been considered already...
mircea_popescu: !up ben_vulpes`
ben_vulpes`: humbug
ben_vulpes`: but ty
ben_vulpes`: mircea_popescu: regarding the north american indians - is their land theirs? is it not granted to them by the arms which surround, and worthless even at that?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, your model.
nubbins`: owning land, imagine
mircea_popescu: "These are the Functional Kingdoms, including Haskellia, Ocamlica, Schemeria" ok that's not bad.
mircea_popescu: trickster is smecher in romanian too.
mircea_popescu: ahjahaha what ? pete meets a neonazi ? lmao.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22856 @ 0.00075148 = 17.1758 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes`: didn't catch you
cazalla: mircea_popescu, nothing to report, i am going to get back to it though
kakobrekla has something to report
kakobrekla has burnt his finger. ouch.
mircea_popescu: cazalla sorry to hear about your finger.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is a real human being and a real hero
thestringpuller: *curb stomp curb stomp*
mats_cd03: ;;later tell kakobrekla can we get a multiline up? e.g. 18:30:48 <+nubbins`> !up gilgameshugga mius pactr mike_c
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 bad idea srsly.
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4 Good Boy!
dub: its hard being so awesome
dub: not just my cock the actual doing of it
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00020614 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dub whatdja do
dub: saved the world again
mats_cd03: was your dong involved in the saving of the world?
dub: not that kind of all nighter
mircea_popescu: be specific. use examples.
assbot: /VictimBlamerMRA Join /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets. http://t.co/FLlihq0OIh
dub: the usual rolling, controlling, hating and operating
dub: holding a whole countries shit down while motherfuckers slipped
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.0007517 = 6.8029 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up nezZario
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: you should !up me after I see what the subject matter is
assbot: “Homeless hacker” Commander X quits Anonymous, retreats to robot lab | Ars Technica
BlueMeanie4: just goes to show how pathetic some of these anonymous voices actually are in real life
mircea_popescu: i dun get it.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one going to "quit" anonymous. not like you can join it.
BlueMeanie4: just sort of conjured up some of my recent experiences with NXT ppl
BlueMeanie4: all these ppl hiding behind anonymity- you really no idea who youre talking to
BlueMeanie4: you could be working on a software project with a serial killer for all you know
mircea_popescu: for all you know, you could be the son of a closeted gay man.
mircea_popescu: since when do you care what they do ?
BlueMeanie4: you obviously dont follow my twitter
mircea_popescu: i don't follow any twitter.
mats_cd03: well played if joking.
mircea_popescu: actually... im not so sure anyone follows twitter. it's mostly for speaking, that thing.
mats_cd03: there are many young people in america that 'follow twitter'
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the story here, derp couldn't get a secure cpanel environment in 3 tries ?
mats_cd03: so they can see whatever 140 char blather their favorite personality has to say
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 yeah well, i meant actual people, not anon mass.
mircea_popescu: as far as that goss, they follow the nature channel and advertising for chrissakes.
BlueMeanie4: recently Jeff Garzik pointed out that their distributed object code doesnt match their source code
BlueMeanie4: and then started getting hacked + threats a few days later
BlueMeanie4: these guys are real class act
assbot: Anonymous Unmasked: Meet Christopher Doyon aka Commander X
mircea_popescu: teh story.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 and you link this to doyon somehow ?
mircea_popescu: what's next, the ridiculously impotent attempt of teh usg best and brightest on freenode too ?
mircea_popescu: here's a lol : i've still not changed my nickserv pw. har har.
BlueMeanie4: no not suggesting these two groups of sociopaths are related
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00075164 = 9.3955 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: base64_encode($credit_card_number);http://t.co/ETRrmn0RYM
mats_cd03: $conference
empyex: mats_cd03: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.31175674 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
mircea_popescu: wow over 3 huh.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 397.62, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 397.57, 24 hour volume: 13438.06221814, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 412.59, 24 hour vwap: 401.774501965
dub: mp linking teaparty blawgs
dub: wat nek
mircea_popescu: the future is infinite!
assbot: Texas man must pay $40.4M for running Bitcoin-based scam | Ars Technica
mats_cd03: weak
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 was here yest
Duffer1: i'm online so much it's always surprising when i find two day old news
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.0007499 = 15.1855 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00075128 = 16.3403 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321949 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 610 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 4 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35128209834.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.7624
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 296014.01 in 942 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.24
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 124.61 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.05 TH/s
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45426): 3 hour(s), 35 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00075231 = 2.5202 BTC [+]
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