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asciilifeform: this is just too good.
asciilifeform: assuming mr. spam is, in BingoBoingo's words, an 'unsavoury garnish', i'd like to nominate him for red banner of lenin.
asciilifeform: (obvious. the man is clearly a mole, and doing a terrific hash of his duties on purpose.)
asciilifeform: he can collect his 'order of lenin' right after that chap who burned down a u.s. nuke sub a few years ago.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6171 @ 0.00062792 = 3.8749 BTC [-]
assbot: Real estate tycoon Larry Glazer, wife were aboard plane that crashed near Jamaica - NY Daily News
kakobrekla: hrm, if he is really a mole he is doing a terribly poor job :(
Apocalyptic: "i.e. just turn on either the microphone/speakers or monitor/webcam to read and communicate with the cardano)?" you gotta be kidding me...
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: soviet mole.
asciilifeform: in usg.
asciilifeform: hence the one-star performance.
Apocalyptic: who in their right mind would favour such a thing
asciilifeform: at this point it seems clear - the man is working hard to make us laugh
Apocalyptic: clearly
asciilifeform: clearly he deserves - reward for his efforts.
asciilifeform: and so,
kakobrekla: o a type 4.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00062472 = 1.8742 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: anyone here not familiar with vonnegut's 'mother night' -or- semyonov's 'seventeen moments of spring' ? book or film, either.
asciilifeform: approximately same idea.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9597 @ 0.00062286 = 5.9776 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: <+TheNewDeal> ThickAsThieves any foia response? // None reported.
ThickAsThieves: At this point I don't care, as it wouldn't really affect the market price to find out
ThickAsThieves: but i do have a bet on it...
ThickAsThieves: fukn annoying
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00062668 = 7.9588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00062512 = 17.3158 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform has seen this said about more than one obscure natural language, it always seems to be a reflection of the linguist's ineptitude, in practice. << quite. it's not true of inuit languages any more it's true of russian.
mircea_popescu: so you have to specify the gender of the teacup in some contexts. does not equate to "speaker can not make ambiguous statements"
mircea_popescu: this is not the case in any natural language, poetry exists anywhere.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://www.mekanizmalar.com/desmodromics.html << i read desdemona in there for some reason, which reminds me of a story. picture youthful mp at maly, for a staging of othello, in russian. now, bearin in mind that in romanian "zdreanta" means rag or figuratively whore, picture youthful mp hearing a very decided othello burst out "davai zdreanta, desdiemona!!1" and go into incontrollable peels of laughter
assbot: Desmodromics Camshaft Mechanism
mircea_popescu: to the degree he had to be escorted out by the ushers
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4831 @ 0.00062099 = 3 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $600 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.55600627 BTC. Current weight: 39,112.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0006 = 7.68 BTC [-]
assbot: We'll put guards on Scottish border: Ed Miliband reveals incendiary plan as Yes camp leads for first time in shock new poll | Mail Online
assbot: CORRECTED-UPDATE 3-Ridiculed crystal work wins Nobel for Israeli | Reuters
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assbot: 17-Year-Old Catches 693-Pound Swordfish off Florida Coast | Bleacher Report
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 8k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276487.09 in 1375 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.28
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atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 1.56M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00059987 = 5.1289 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.0006015 = 10.436 BTC [+]
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assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00060214 = 2.0172 BTC [-]
xmj: mm
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 481.89, Best ask: 481.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 481.93, 24 hour volume: 2712.17222932, 24 hour low: 478.4, 24 hour high: 485.0, 24 hour vwap: 481.38721431
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 422 @ 0.00365223 = 1.5412 BTC [-]
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ThickAsThieves: MPOE will be .0005 soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7901 @ 0.00060198 = 4.7562 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: gooood morning bitcoin ppls!
assbot: $100k Peter Thiel Fellowship Awarded to Ethereum's Vitalik Buterin
mircea_popescu: aaaahahahhha
ThickAsThieves: good morning mircea
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a tv show
ThickAsThieves: Mornings with Mircea!
mircea_popescu: "Thiel stressed the need for his programme while expressing optimism about what this year’s class could achieve"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i nearly had my radio show in romanian a few years ago.
ThickAsThieves: well considering your Howard Stern similarities, it's a shame it didnt happen
mircea_popescu: in very winchell fashion i insisted the contract include an indemnity clause tho, and well... fell through.
mircea_popescu: romanians are neither very litigious nor is the local fcc very tough, but to make up for it ro publishers are very very poor.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i'd have listened to it. the shit we talk about with the slavegirls alone would make an hour of excellent show pretty much daily.
ThickAsThieves: how are you liking argentina, in contrast?
mircea_popescu: o, i love argentina.
mircea_popescu: not that they're not poor or anything.
ThickAsThieves: seattle and potland were nice, seattle seems to be very healthy
mircea_popescu: anyway, once ethereum cracks open thiel being interviewed for his complicity in propping the scam will become a prerequsite for any further discussions re collaboration of bitcoin authorities with us authorities.
mircea_popescu: just so we know in advance.
ThickAsThieves: i heard rumors thiel sent a rep to scout Neo, i guess he dodged that one
BingoBoingo: !up Aquent
BingoBoingo: Aquent: You wouldn't happen to be Thiel by any chance?
Aquent: no lol
BingoBoingo: !down Aquent
ThickAsThieves: "Whenever I see that Thiel is giving away money, I get the goosebumps. How comes that he is always mentioned in connection with PayPal, but almost never in connection with Palantir, Prism, NSA and CIA?"
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "because guess".
mircea_popescu: fucking us oligarchs will end up with bitcoin community interdictions at this rate
mircea_popescu: until their regime starts fucking conforming to international law.
assbot: Alibaba: Biggest IPO By Market Value of All Time - MoneyBeat - WSJ
mircea_popescu: o hey, i think i had some bets on that
ThickAsThieves: thatll be fun, my guess is all the other tech stocks will suffer
ThickAsThieves: this TSLA is so boring, time for Alibaba!
assbot: BitBet - Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day :: 1.63 B (64%) on Yes, 0.92 B (36%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 6 days | weight: 42`661 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: check out the preciseness of bitbet. 150bn ?
ThickAsThieves: bb has a way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00060288 = 21.6132 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.69195104 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 408 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: punkman: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/05/nobel-chemistry-idUSL5E7L51U620111005 <<< i don't think useful original work has EVER not been ridiculed.
assbot: CORRECTED-UPDATE 3-Ridiculed crystal work wins Nobel for Israeli | Reuters
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves 5 before back to 8 or w/e it does ?
assbot: Atlanta Hawks owner Bruce Levenson selling team - ESPN
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves 5 before back to 8 or w/e it does ? /// i think i figured out exactly what it does actually
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
mircea_popescu: or secret.
ThickAsThieves: not secret, mike_c is gonna check i think
ThickAsThieves: basically the bot is pegged to a certain conversion value for a specific amount of btc
mircea_popescu: like in reverse ?
ThickAsThieves: the idea being the bot assumes MPOE is worth 80,000btc
ThickAsThieves: and that is some dollar value
ThickAsThieves: they are pegging
mircea_popescu: so it asumes it is worth X dollars practically ?
mircea_popescu: so why isn't it going up.
asciilifeform: thiel is also a sponsor of 'urbit'.
ThickAsThieves: it assumes the btc worth
ThickAsThieves: converted
ThickAsThieves: so if btcusd goes down
ThickAsThieves: so does mpoe
asciilifeform: or, more precisely, of mr. yarvin's first full-time toady
mircea_popescu: but if it assumes x btc worth and shares trade in btc it should be stuck at 8
ThickAsThieves: cuz its assets are the btc
asciilifeform surprised that no one remembered this
ThickAsThieves: now i'm confusing myself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no one said != no one remembered. ppls remember :)
asciilifeform: anyone find it peculiar how small is thiel's prize ?
ThickAsThieves: well he leaks money all over the place
mircea_popescu: cheap whores aren't given expensive prizes for a very good reason
asciilifeform: 100k buys what - a year or two of food and roof in usa somewhere on the cheaper side.
mircea_popescu: that is, if you give them too much money it makes them stupid.
mircea_popescu: give them a little now and a little later they'll be sucking the c0k and doing a good job of it for years.
asciilifeform: or one new electron microscope (and get your food somewhere else)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it is shocking, outrageous but also very amusing to see just how copy-pasted the final days us is from the peak of romania. it's almost as if instead of the romanian idiots copying teh superior us businessmen, the reverse happened.
asciilifeform: smells more like ussr circa 1988 or so, imho
mircea_popescu: i could prolly write a book of psychoantropology on the topic, but sadly it'd be rather incomprehensible in english without a ton of notes which kinda ruin the whole thing, and for 5 romanians able to read and write it's scarcely worth the year o' work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well obv. they'd be the same thing.
thestringpuller: you know how I know you're not american mircea_popescu : you hate cars
mircea_popescu: actually maybe you should write the book, except in russian. larger market.
mircea_popescu: good thing to do in prison, you know ? as it's requiring memory-only, no tools.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun hate cars ?
mircea_popescu: i dun think much of the concept of everyone being able to have their "own" car
mircea_popescu: but i guess that's what you actually meant.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the original copy-paste point : i feel like i could practically translate my romanian articles mocking the romanian "press" and its associated "blogosphere" word for word, just substitute names.
mircea_popescu: ridoinculous.
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mircea_popescu: you think i write complicatedly, try morley for a spin
ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> you know how I know you're not american mircea_popescu : you hate cars /// i cant stand driving and all the stuff about cars other than that they get me places
mircea_popescu: i can't stand sucking cock either doesn't mean i hate blowjobs. what's driving to do with it.
ThickAsThieves: my wife is the one that gets new cars, i get the hand-me-downs. yesterday i was positing that i should just sell mine and take cabs or uber or whatever everywhere
mircea_popescu: it works splendidly here. i guess depends on the cab quality
ThickAsThieves: when vacationing driving is also a major drag
mircea_popescu: well, get a girl for that.
ThickAsThieves: so why would S.MPOE go down when BTCUSD goes down?
mircea_popescu: i thought you had a theory
ThickAsThieves: i thought i did too, seems to merely be an observation for now
assbot: This is How a 10-Year-Old Boy With Autism is Treated in a Police State | The Free Thought Project
mircea_popescu: "Currently the leadership of the House of Savoy is contested by two cousins: Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, who used to claim the title of King of Italy, and Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta, who still claims the title of the Duke of Savoy. Their rivalry has not always been peaceful — on May 21, 2004, following a dinner held by King Juan Carlos I of Spain on the eve of the wedding of his son Felipe, Prince of Astur
mircea_popescu: ias, Vittorio Emanuele punched Amedeo twice in the face."
thestringpuller: This problem has to do with society.s dependence upon state sanctioned force to solve problems.
mircea_popescu: i don't see much in that. so some asshole kid thinks himself special, got roughed up in the slightest.
mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to be a problem again ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cars << another thing in usa. more or less everybody is condemned to be his own cabbie, and to some extent, mechanic
mircea_popescu: that works great for 16yo boys.
asciilifeform: which is why we're more or less doomed to drive cabs (the lucky ones, that is) around the world, far more certainly than soviet emigres were
mircea_popescu: it's not such a bad fate.
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mircea_popescu: o wow that's a first innit
mircea_popescu: well done tat for callin' it.
asciilifeform: then again i'm not certain any country will recognize american driver's licenses when the hour comes.
asciilifeform: for entirely practical reasons.
mircea_popescu: they're not neatly that bad drivers.
mircea_popescu: i've seen much worse.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: why you hatin' on fixin' cars
thestringpuller: dis is murica
thestringpuller: i just saw an turbo charged e30 that puts ~450hp to the wheels
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'tis one thing if you like oil, dirt, metal (matter of fact - i do) but another if you're stuck with them whether or not you do
thestringpuller: ah. the dilemma of "We're murica, you must own car"
thestringpuller: even if you don't want to
mircea_popescu: you know i lived there just fine w/o driving or owning a car.
thestringpuller: not so much in the big cities tho (NYC, Boston, etc.)
thestringpuller: public transit doesn't reach where I live
asciilifeform: not impossible - but difficult if work for a living
thestringpuller: I have to bike 7 miles to the nearest bus stop
thestringpuller: which isn't effective for commuting...
mircea_popescu: i never biked.
mircea_popescu: but they had a towncar service that would basically go anywhere.
thestringpuller: i guess this is why Uber is becoming so overvalued...
thestringpuller: because of suburbia with poor rapid transit
asciilifeform: 'Recently I heard a story on NPR about a poor family that went around looking for discounted food items at various groceries and stopping at the food pantry—in their own private minivan! And so here is a poor family that owns what in many parts of the world would amount to a bus company!' (orlov)
asciilifeform: (npr is an american government-funded radio station)
mircea_popescu: well not that many. maybe guatemala and assimilated shitholes.
asciilifeform: fact is - much of the cost of owning vehicle in usa - is a fixed cost, whether or not it moves
mircea_popescu: it's really not THAT expensive.
asciilifeform: and so, everybody owns - a taxi. and some, even a bus or garbage truck.
asciilifeform: but for some odd reason aren't cabbies, bus drivers, or garbagemen
asciilifeform: $posint is expensive to the man who is flat broke
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is a fixed cost, whether or not it moves << this isn't true
thestringpuller: the cost is always depreciating especially if it doesn't move
thestringpuller: slowly to 0
thestringpuller: unless you own like a cold war volvo
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's approximately true - most folks pay insurance (mandatory) and usually bought the machine on credit (so, they pay and pay)
asciilifeform: neither is strongly connected to how often it moves.
artifexd: If anybody is curious, I know why MPOE is falling.
artifexd: The reason is simple: I bought some.
mircea_popescu: well don't buy anymore then lol
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: oh yes in that sense! i was thinking of how there is an increasing cost to keep the car moving
artifexd: I need to DCA
jurov: oh there's mandatory car insurance in the us, too? so sooooocialist!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the credit part is stupid.
mircea_popescu: jurov look, if you let poor people drive, there's no way to not have mandatory insurance.
mircea_popescu: otherwise they are incentivised to drive poorly.
thestringpuller: rich people buy vehicles on credit too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which part is stupid? most of these people couldn't hope to buy so much as a plastic&cardboard 'trabant' without massive credit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then let them walk.
thestringpuller: in a land without infrastructure?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as discussed in the past - the various u.s. castes have, for reasons of their own (ask them!) decided never to live in walking distance of one another, if it can be helped
thestringpuller: better off to tell them to just die
mircea_popescu: ok, so let them just die.
mircea_popescu: just because it's practically inconvenient doesn't make it less the correct solution.
asciilifeform: death is free, at least, for king and slave alike.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this convention, like all things man made, is attendant on it being possible.
mircea_popescu: if they can't have had so agreed, they in fact didn't so agree.
asciilifeform: at the risk of sounding like orlov - modern 'machine civilization' tends to create wildly thermodynamically-unfavourable situations like this one.
asciilifeform: what usa does with transport is not unlike housing, e.g., penguins in sahara
mircea_popescu: it creates the POSSIBILITY of it asciilifeform. not the actuiality and not really the obligaiton.
asciilifeform: goes on for so long as you have infinite joules to throw at the problem.
mircea_popescu: much like cellars create the possibility of very uncomfortable sleep in the dank darkness.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces you to sleep in the fucking basement
mircea_popescu: or to rent basements to live in
asciilifeform: more like the olympic drugs.
asciilifeform: can -> must
mircea_popescu: you can always die.
mircea_popescu: this is so easily discarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever captured a mouse ?
mircea_popescu: want me to tell you the story of my recent adventure with a cute little fuzzball ?
asciilifeform killed the last two in old flat with own hands
asciilifeform lacked cat
asciilifeform: yes - story
mircea_popescu: so last autumn i was living in a recently developped residential area - i guess what would be a gated community in the us, except romanians don't gate.
mircea_popescu: for centuries prior, that land had been - how do you call fields cultrivated with hay ?
asciilifeform: pasture ?
mircea_popescu: something like that. so one night while in here, i see movement in the corner of my eye
mircea_popescu: so i know it's a mouse, right ? and so i get a large bowl, and tape some floss to a pack of ciggs. put some cheese under the propper bowl and get back to chatting.
mircea_popescu: a little later, the guy is caught, of course. so i put him in a large glass jar with a metal lid, after punching some holes with a screwdriverr in that lid.
mircea_popescu: and i get a good look at the guy, you know ? after all, this had been his land for a long long time, generations of his forefathers had hunted for hayseeds and whatnot on complicated , traditional walk patters all over the field of my garden
mircea_popescu: what did he do ? he kept jumping. trying to push the lid off with his tiny nose. ding-ding-ding-ding
asciilifeform: lemme guess, little bugger died of exhaustion
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that the lid was you know, on a thread for crying out loud. and since i punched the holes from outside, notwithstanding that there were jagged shards of metal pointing his way, which he could i guess sorta- avoid. tho he mostly looked to be jumping blindly.
mircea_popescu: eventually i was oh enough of this shit, and so put the vessel on its side.
mircea_popescu: so it stopped jumping.
mircea_popescu: instead, it kept trying to chew sheet metal with it's truely tiny, half mm in width teeth.
mircea_popescu: and it never stopped.
mircea_popescu: the animal's desire of freedom properly surpassed any consideration of self preservation.
mircea_popescu: which is why i eventually stood up from my fucking work, took it to a vacant field further down and let it be.
mircea_popescu: now - the point here being that a correct set of priorities will in fact move mountains, and my work at my computer as compared in any perspective to a mouse's activities is mountaineous.
mircea_popescu: so : let them fucking die trying. you can't live where you are ? walk to where you can live.
mircea_popescu: die on the road, it's a noble death.
asciilifeform: u.s. motto could be: st augustine's prayer, 'god grant me chastity - but not yet'
mircea_popescu: it's also why i tend to be suspicious of people that despise animals. generally it's the sign they're not as intellectually respectable as the average field mouse.
mircea_popescu: when they start with the "we're not animals" bits, i tend to glaze over and think "no, you're not, are you".
asciilifeform: most people, esp. in infested dwellings, are quite particular about which animals they like
mircea_popescu: well sure, but this was as to the general
asciilifeform: i actually 'liked' the rats in that flat quite a bit more than the mice. the latter - shat every quarter metre they walked, or so it seemed. the rats - more disciplined, organized, had battalions, detachments - respectable.
mircea_popescu: mebbe your rats were overfed
mircea_popescu: mice i mean.
asciilifeform: possible.
asciilifeform: rats, it is said, even have penal battalions, used as scouts.
asciilifeform: after finally killed one in an electrical trap, the entire force retreated to a neighbour's.
BingoBoingo: Maybe asciilifeform has the actual NIMH rats
mircea_popescu: i thought it's just the young/shitty ones
mircea_popescu: lol this here is the premise of a decent speculative spy fiction story
asciilifeform does not know precisely how rats assign rank
mircea_popescu: usg makes mechanical spy rat, person catches it because well, it doesn't properly batallion
asciilifeform: this almost happened:
asciilifeform: usg caught an alley cat, tamed, and implanted a listening device, then released (in moscow, i think)
asciilifeform: the poor beast promptly got run over by a bus.
mircea_popescu: "problems" ?
asciilifeform: or just not quite right.
asciilifeform: as for mice, if they have organizational abilities, this was not apparent in my kitchen.
mircea_popescu: you know, this was the first mice i've seen in a decade.
asciilifeform: and yes, animals will fight to the death, to exhaustion - what else might one expect them to do? negotiate a conditional surrender with the mousetrap? a ceasefire with the glass jar ?
mircea_popescu: the last set being in egypt for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will notice that he could have just resisted the glass jar through culture.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "rezistenta prin cultura"
gribble: Rezistenţa prin cultură - TVR+: <http://www.tvrplus.ro/emisiune-rezistenta-prin-cultura-351>; Andrei Plesu despre rezistenta prin cultura - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxzvAkbjP98>; Rezistenţa prin cultură - Alice Voinescu - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUm4to0vQtQ>
mircea_popescu: and of course, the definitive words on that topic, http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/
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asciilifeform: mice have not yet invented smoking dope, and so do not know how to 'resist through culture'
mircea_popescu: except the romanian "intellectuals" and for that matter the zeks got no dope.
asciilifeform: i suppose a handful of natural schizoids, and slavish imitation thereof, can substitute for dope.
mircea_popescu: no, dope doesn't enter into it. all that's required is the proposition that surviving today is more important than living well.
mircea_popescu: something of which mice are malignantly made the figurehead of. they are not.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sex anal cu tractoare, motocositoare si combine agricole >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mVOd8zY3D8 << 'in Flyshitte, in the Red Corpse Kolhoz... there lived Tractoresse!'
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asciilifeform: ^ song about the harm of studying mathematics.
assbot: pretaliation
asciilifeform: 'she plowed all the fields... for wheat, but not also for scalars, vectors, and even galois fields...'
asciilifeform: *now also
mircea_popescu: tractoritza lol. that's exactly how you'd say it in romanian.
mircea_popescu: how diminutives work. victoria - victorица
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: slightly different in ru. e.g., минетчица ~= 'blowjobesse', тракторица ~= 'tracroresse' - in same sense as Fr. 'comedienne.'
mircea_popescu: in romanian comedienne is formed as the diminutive. comediette.
cazalla: nothing like someone using a chainsaw at 3am to wake you up
mircea_popescu: cazalla good mornin'.
asciilifeform: cazalla: 'find some meat!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thus doctor - doctorita. literally, little-she doctor.
asciilifeform: Мухосранск ~= 'flyshit', analogous to american 'bumfuck, illinois.' proverbial agropesthole.
cazalla: asciilifeform, would be nice but they're cutting down trees
cazalla: chainsaw wakes me but baby never does, just the wife, she is still sleeping, didn't hear chainsaw
mircea_popescu: clearly you're tuned for machinery and she's tuned to babies.
cazalla: i've read that before, i assume because the fathers need sleep to hunt the next day
assbot: Zeroing buffers is insufficient
asciilifeform: jurov: as usual, author stops half-way.
mircea_popescu: i came back to say "wait, that's only part of the story"
mircea_popescu: i don't read fast enough.
jurov: i got an idea about virtualization - i foubt any hypervisor erases SSE registers betweeen guests
jurov: *doubt
jurov: (not mentioned in tfa at all, fo course)
asciilifeform: let's suppose that you cannot escape the sin of running crypto on a multiuser os with von neumann cpu (for sake of argument.) let's also suppose that you are stuck with a traditional 'C' compiler, and your work must remain portable (no inline asm)
mircea_popescu: "decided to sanitize his stack by zeroing until he triggered a page fault" this in particular does nothing.
asciilifeform: even then - can simply declare 'volatile'
asciilifeform: if your compiler does not respect 'volatile' - throw it out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the os may not respect volatile.
asciilifeform: a sufficiently dumb os won't provide a way of allocating non-paged heap, yes.
mircea_popescu: the problem is unresolvable : without cryptographically verified multi-user ability, there is no way to run crypto on shared system.
jurov: he's writing about registers, not memory.. but then, on one side they get wiped on context switch
mircea_popescu: how to make an os that behaves "provalby fair", for that matter, ios still very much an open question
jurov: on other side, they get saved into..memory
asciilifeform: 'provably fair' ?
asciilifeform: in what sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. ie, that you can cryptographically verify that no other user can read your space, ever, at all.
mircea_popescu: this includes any and all superusrs.
asciilifeform: superusers << 'god creates stone, so heavy, he can't lift'
asciilifeform: what even means 'superuser' in such a machine
mircea_popescu: one that can start/stop it.
mircea_popescu: as an obvious definition.
asciilifeform: starts, stops - but can't saw it open ?
mircea_popescu: even should he saw it open.
mircea_popescu: it's an unresolved problem for good reason eh.
jurov: you are prolly talking about cpu that guarantees no unencrypoted data leaves its internal cache?
mircea_popescu: in principle you should be able to define an object whose malleability allows enough functions to work so as to be turing-complete.
mircea_popescu: jurov no. i am talking about an os that only processes encrypted data.
mircea_popescu: the no-raw-machine/
asciilifeform: !s paillier
asciilifeform: solvable for particular meanings of 'process'
mircea_popescu: yeah, that may be a good starting point
mircea_popescu: but ideally - while i can live without running a webserver off this - i still want to have bash
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mircea_popescu: Consider the "XMM" registers on the x86 architecture: They will only be used by the SSE family of instructions, which is not widely used in most applications — so once a value is stored in one of those registers, it may remain there for a long time. One of the rare instances those registers are used by cryptographic code, however, is for AES computations, using the "AESNI" instruction set.
mircea_popescu: one of the best reasons to not use aes seriously.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware this is public knowledge.
asciilifeform: you're just as fucked if you use another cipher via, e.g, microshit's vendor lib
mircea_popescu: but this is universal, nothing to do with ms.
jurov: mircea you know of any crypto that doesn't need registers?
asciilifeform: no one forces you to use intel's aes instructions!
mircea_popescu: jurov im pretty sure it all does, but they don';t all have to be xmm via aesni
asciilifeform: next year, suppose, they include a gigantic multiplier and special instructions for rsa. want to use these ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "no one" ? yes, one. the machine may force you to whether you want to or not.
mircea_popescu: you don;'t know what it does.
jurov: xmm registers aren't anything exceptional. os saves them into memory on context switch like everything else
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fundamental misunderstanding. machine does not know (unless it is fiendishly complicated, and elaborately trapped, perhaps) that you are doing, e.g., rsa.
mircea_popescu: jurov the discussion was as to how often they get overwritten
asciilifeform: but the cpu manual offers compiler writers the option of using 'our new exciting accelerator for 4096-bit chinese remainder theorem'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you're thinking of the case where you compile your thing and install it as bytecode. i was thinking of the case where you compile locally.
mircea_popescu: more properly, "was at some ptoint compiled locally"
asciilifeform: compiler can use 'fancy' instruction that does various things 'in one shot' - or can use ordinary i386-style fixint multiply, etc.
mircea_popescu: It gets worse. Nearly every AES implementation using AESNI will leave two values in registers: The final block of output, and the final round key. The final block of output isn't a problem for encryption operations — it is ciphertext, which we can assume has leaked anyway — but for encryption an AES-128 key can be computed from the final round key, and for decryption the final round key is the AES-128 key. (For AES
mircea_popescu: -192 and AES-256 revealing the final round key provides 128 bits of key entropy.)
mircea_popescu: good article.
asciilifeform: likewise compiler has the option of pissing out 'xor reg, reg' etc - clean up after yourself
mircea_popescu: i guess the author doesn't realise it or something, but this lays bare a much used, fundamental, very valuable exploit of aes.
asciilifeform: to see this as issue with aes in particular is a grave mistake. it's an issue with using a 'food chain' that you aren't intimately aware of to the bottom.
mircea_popescu: in practice it's used as an aes hole. but yes.
asciilifeform: consider the problems dr. evil faces when he designs a diddled cpu.
asciilifeform: he wants to know when you - victim - will be deciphering/signing battle plan.
asciilifeform: chip will transmit plan to waiting gasenwagen with antennae, over power line hiss.
asciilifeform: but first it needs to know when to begin and end transmission
asciilifeform: because it would not do to transmit constantly (might interfere with neighbour's teledildotron and she'll tip you off)
asciilifeform: it is, in principle, possible for dr. evil's cpu to recognize when, e.g, given version of gpg is in the process of taking the modular exponentiation.
asciilifeform: but this would take up a good deal of real estate on the chip die, and someone might notice.
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense. here's a simpler approach : every time a new value is loaded into sse register append it to a special buffer. buffer gets dumped in return for any packet headed so sent to port so.
asciilifeform: instead - why not fool you - victim - to let the cpu know precisely when it is handling private key.
asciilifeform: so it can begin sending.
mircea_popescu: it's "for debugging purspoes"
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mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: but have some sympathy for poor dr. evil. he only has, what, half a dozen vans in a city. doesn't care to sift through every idiot playing 'quake' pissing in his sse regs.
asciilifeform: only want to hear rsa key. (or aes, whatever.)
mircea_popescu: afaik that's exactly what he wants : to inflate the categories.
asciilifeform: so he begins with cheapest variant - politely asks microshit to include convenient crypto routines in os.
mircea_popescu: if he can get paid to listen to rsa keys buyt then for "technical reasons" can make that baloon 10x,
mircea_popescu: s thrilled to do it.
asciilifeform: which conveniently record key and mail it off.
mircea_popescu: more money.
asciilifeform: then somebody finds it. or miscreants start using illegal111 os without said feature.
asciilifeform: so now dr. evil needs to sell nice, convenient cpu with baked in crypto
asciilifeform: amazing aes! fast.
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asciilifeform: notice when diddled cpus are commonly thought to have appeared. not only when vlsi went far enough to create a comfortable padded hiding place, but when spread of linux, etc. exposed the limits of the diddled-os approach.
mircea_popescu: im sure thiel will give 100k prizes to whoever came up with the brilliant idea of a wait, no. they don't need it.
bitstein: More usability nonsense. Trusted servers are soooo much better than PGP, right? http://www.wired.com/2014/09/oxguard/
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mircea_popescu: "encrypt" your emails to everyone. it's good for the emails and ok for you!
bitstein: Loved your post on usability, btw.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: soldering lithium 'clock' batteries will dramatically shorten their life - and possibly explode
asciilifeform: unless done with a spot welder or laser
thestringpuller: damn so this guy is an idiot?
thestringpuller: :( I guess I'm not saving games anytime soon
asciilifeform: not idiot - merely poor
thestringpuller: how much do you charge for electronic surgery?
asciilifeform: i regret to say that i do not run a repair shop.
asciilifeform: i recommend attaching a replacement battery using conductive epoxy.
asciilifeform: this is less than ideal, but will work.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller heating them is no good for them
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asciilifeform: thestringpuller: alternatively, solder in a battery holder of appropriate shape, and insert battery after it cools.
asciilifeform: (soldered-in batteries are a classic 'forced obsolescence' scam.)
asciilifeform: it doesn't have to be a coin cell, either. can attach one of, say, these - http://www.ictradenet.com/models_pic/BH2AA-W.jpg - to outside of cartridge. drill a hole, attach terminals to correct spots. won't win any beauty contests, but will work.
asciilifeform: use lithium 'aa' cells rather than alkalines, or you won't have >3v when cells are not quite new any more.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is this "fast food employee tries to parlay his work experience into a novel, because write what you know" ?
kakobrekla: dunno, just another end game.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: lol!!! i read that years ago
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: lost the link also long ago. thank you for digging it out
asciilifeform: this kind of tale will read as utopian hogwash when the -proper- (e.g., with electroshock and mine) collars are issued.
asciilifeform: as pictured in films 'cloud atlas', 'deadlock', etc.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: thanks for the advice!
decimation: re: lithium batteries << yes the conventional solution is a spring-clip style battery holder if one can't spot-weld lead to device
asciilifeform: soldered batteries are an atrocity.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the chinese factory saved several cents!
decimation: not that it really matters anyway, because their production is subsidized by the prc, and the purchaser is subsidized by usg
mircea_popescu: several in the sense of .8
asciilifeform: '"Do you have guest status with any resident?" The robot asked. "No." "Do you have means of support unknown to me?" I suppose I could have stashed a cache of gold under my mattress, and this question allowed me to declare it. Such a cache would, of course, be grounds for arrest, so I was screwed either way. "No." I was without any means of support. "In accordance with ordinance 605.12b, you have been assigned ro
asciilifeform: om 140352 in building 16, resident quant C. This assignment provides you with suitable housing and nourishment to sustain your life. Please board the bus."'
asciilifeform: great story. how nostalgic! like robert sheckley's 'the academy.' usa was once a rich country, people imagined that they would get to retire into comfortable prisons when an 'age of the robot' comes
decimation: Re: Thiel working with usg << I can't imagine anyone running a 'bank' or 'bank-like' service and not being a spy for usg, it's the law yo
mircea_popescu: it is the law.
asciilifeform: thiel, like his fellows, is less of a baron (with the attendant inviolable privileges) than a... reichsführer. whose lands, posts - are contingent on playing ball and being good boy.
mircea_popescu: well paypal definitely can have problem.
mircea_popescu: but as far as i recall, it was a serious source of friction between the third reich gauleiters and eastern european nobility, that the latter despised the former on the grounds of... well... this, exactly.
asciilifeform: well yes!
mircea_popescu: obviously since we're speaking of germany, an east european power par excellence, these were often the same people.
asciilifeform recommends the 'manna' story except for final chapters. just like mircea_popescu's snip of the 'dulap' tale.
asciilifeform: a necessary snip.
mircea_popescu: especially in the army.
mircea_popescu: hence hitler's constant suspicions of being betrayed by teh heer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe that's cause for a rewrite.
asciilifeform: paypal is a classic 'crown privilege' monopoly.
asciilifeform: from day one.
mircea_popescu: one can only wonder how the us would have fared had it not turned socialist in 1930.
mircea_popescu: fdr had scarcely the secessionist excuses of lincoln to fuck the country up. without his lame contribution, it'd have stayed in one piece, but perhaps may have survived the 21st century.
decimation: re: hitler < the "old right" nobility and "old republican-style" conservatives in germany gave Hitler control after his party won a minority share because they thought they could 'control him'
mircea_popescu: not rly quite as broad. it was one schmuck
mircea_popescu: von pappen
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mircea_popescu: oh, no, it's just that putin i mean roberts "does not understand how the world works"
mircea_popescu: said every insane person ever.
decimation: Imagine if the us were at war with mexico, and russia was openly contemplating sending troops/planes/whatever to the mexican border. people in the us would go apeshit
asciilifeform: 'zimmerman telegram'
mircea_popescu: "The American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian army collapsed under Russian counterattack in 5 hours."
decimation: asciilifeform: one can see a copy hanging in the nsa museum as I recall
mircea_popescu: lol check it out, the russian foreign service is quite active in the fringe of the us discourse. orlov, roberts, there's a list with these talking points.
asciilifeform feels like a chump, apparently works for russian foreign service for free, should demand pay
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whyssat ?
asciilifeform: because i have no quarrel with anything in that piece - imho, entirely factual.
mircea_popescu: it's not, but before we get there,
mircea_popescu: He was a prime minister of Denmark who saw he could rise beyond Denmark by serving as Washington’s puppet. As prime minister he strongly supported Washington’s illegal invasion of Iraq, declaring that “we know that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.” Of course, the fool didn’t know any such thing, and why would it matter if Iraq did have such weapons. Many countries have weapons of mass destructi
mircea_popescu: isn't it funny how global-warming this sounds ? "we know there is anthropogenic bla bla"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't have any issue with anything in that piece either, but this isn't the criteria. the form specifically is what one uses to identify these things.
decimation: To me, mature adults could sit down and hash this stuff out "yes, you can have east Ukraine in exchange for helping us keep a lid on the crazy islams down in the middle east"
asciilifeform: decimation: except that 'crazy islam' is an animal of which usg is a studious gamekeeper.
mircea_popescu: decimation the russians are unable to do anything in the middle east, as proven by their fabulous failures in afghanistan and cecenia. what's worse, they know this, and won't bargain for it.
asciilifeform: (occasional rabid bite nonwithstanding)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. they like to pretend like they are, much like the 11 yo child of a man who keeps fighting dogs pretends to be the master of said dogs for the benefit of any visiting classmates.
decimation: I guess as an american far away from everything I would vastly prefer russian hegemony over asia than crazy islam rule, but somehow my 'leaders' see things differently
asciilifeform: decimation: it is necessary to understand why usg must do what it does. as in a 'wild west' film, 'ain't room enough in this town for the both of us'
mircea_popescu: it really makes no difference. no matter his hair color, a married man is a married man. and so no matter the "ideology", whoever is stuck administering two billion people over ten million acres is similarly caught.
mircea_popescu: they'll do exactly what they can get away with, and no more.
asciilifeform: the worst thing for a totalitarian reich (like usg and its 'international kommunity' muppet theatre) is - the existence of a 'pepsi' alternative.
asciilifeform: i.e. - a place to which thinking men could defect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the reason that then the coke and the pepsi must bid for my allegiance
mircea_popescu: much in the way mpex has no home unless some territory with pretentions of statality makes an excellent offrt
mircea_popescu: kinda how the holy roman emperor got ground into dust.
asciilifeform: this is key.
decimation: mircea_popescu: and that's my point, for purely practical reasons alone, one would think that the 'married men' who have to deal with reality would prefer a power that has a track record of at least keeping a lid on the crazies at home and showing up to the diplomacy table with things in order
mircea_popescu: decimation nope. in general, sane people would prefer the alternative. perpetually.
mircea_popescu: let nothing ever be "well settled".
asciilifeform: everybody focuses on, e.g., petro-war, when looking for reason for usg bleeding to the bone in effort to undermine russia
asciilifeform: but it's a secondary thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. admire this wonder of wonders :
mircea_popescu: these people who use that terminology SAY petro war, but ONLY because in their cluelessness the petro- stands for the symbol you correctly use.
mircea_popescu: ie, you both mean the same thing. if you allow oil to stand for the "root" account of the world, then yes it's petro-war.
jurov: <asciilifeform> because i have no quarrel with anything in that piece - imho, entirely factual. << did anyone confirmed kiev started by murdering civilians?
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decimation: under this petro-war theory, is the us trying to keep russian oil out of the world market? to the detriment of the us?
asciilifeform: jurov: if you ask kiev, the east 'started it' by refusing to fellate nazi cock and speak the west's made-up language
mircea_popescu: jurov dja think this makes a practical difference ?
jurov: ascii says it's "factual"... so i'm asking about the facts
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea is for russian oil to be sold in the manner of oil owned by the us. it doesn't matter who gets paid, as long as the "pay" is in accounts run by thiel, and it all follows kyc etc.
mircea_popescu: same exact play as they're currently trying and failing re bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: jurov ah yea. well, i agreed with his "it's factual", but i never took an absolute view of this factuality. just, as far as it's worth determining, yeah, that's what it was.
decimation: jurov: are you referring to those who were shot while rioting in Kiev?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is "nazi cock" anywya ?
asciilifeform: the entire 'great ukrs' national concept. created by brits, then picked up by germany, then - usa, into present time.
asciilifeform: the tired old 'cut 'em up into bantustans, make them a language, etc' recipe.
jurov: as opposed to "great russia"
jurov: ascii, you're so incredibly one sided
jurov: russians are orcs, as well
asciilifeform: like them or not - the russians are historically actual, rather than fictional.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's the beef with the polish-ukrainian confederacy ? just as actual.
mircea_popescu: what am i not following here ?
asciilifeform: except that the modern ukrs aren't a resurrected 'Res Publica Polonia' - they're a cheap muppet of usg.
mircea_popescu: but this is not the argument you bring.
mircea_popescu: whether they're well organised or not presently has no bearing on whether they at all exist.
jurov: donetsk republic are muppets, too
jurov: putins wants strelkov out? okay, off he goes
asciilifeform: this brings up the old discussion of whether the arsonist 'builds' a city
mircea_popescu: which... whatever, just how well they actually exist is reasonably unclear to me. how does slovakia exist or so forth
mircea_popescu: jurov supposedly russia refused them union or somesuch.
jurov: "refused" for now
mircea_popescu: well obviously.
asciilifeform: usg does not have the strength or will to conquer - it merely destroys
jurov: just waiting till it "becomes" inevitable
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mircea_popescu: a good for you.
Azelphur: indeed, seems much more my speed, thanks for the recommendation :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is somewhat like saying billy jean does not have the strength or will to form famblies - he merely fucks.
mircea_popescu: well... maybe the girl sucks.
Azelphur: Bitcoin salary, gonna be fun.
asciilifeform: jurov: picture yourself as russian king. do you want to annex ua? if so, for what.
jurov: asciilifeform "satellite state" says you something?
mircea_popescu: the fact that they were historically more accomplished russians than the muscovy, and earlier so ?
mircea_popescu: the seaside resorts ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's correcting khruschev's wandering pencil, and then real conquest
decimation: I guess putin isn't happy with having a 'near abroad' anymore
jurov: so putin should give kurils to japan too
mircea_popescu: lol right.
jurov: the people there want to
mircea_popescu: isn't that like 1/2 of all sub bases in russia ?
asciilifeform: wait there are still people there! lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with "real" conquest is that it sounds a lot like "let me just put the tip in". what do you mean "real".
asciilifeform: well put it this way - which things you get from conquest, that you can't buy.
asciilifeform: for two decades, the ru and ua mafias had an understanding.
mircea_popescu: lotta buttsex with a lot of very scared womenz ?
jurov: utter mess
asciilifeform: when does conquest seem like an appealing answer, to what problems.
mircea_popescu: yes well, no mafia understanding stands forever.
decimation: certainly no one is selling allodial rights to anything these days
mircea_popescu: this happens to be a great thing, it's why mafias are better administrators than constitutions.
mircea_popescu: "At what point will the Russian government decide that Washington’s mendacity, and that of its European puppets and corrupt Western media, render hopeless Russia’s efforts to resolve the situation with diplomacy and unprovocative behavior? "
mircea_popescu: ahahaha herpy-derp.
mircea_popescu: dude, seriously. the propaganda war is a propaganda war.
mircea_popescu: this is like asking "how long will a chess player tolerate the other's crafty artfulness"
mircea_popescu: duh. forever ?
mircea_popescu: it is the curse of the contemporary postmodern world that most jobs are done by amateurs.
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced that the ceremony where ua voted for 'independence' happened as advertised.
mircea_popescu: these fuckwits couldn't qualify for a driver job for the classic propaganda spinners of a century ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform join the crowd that has similar doubts about you know... bush's election.
mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
decimation: it is interesting how russian propaganda took a noticeable right-wing turn sometime around 5 years ago
asciilifeform: ah nothing in particular
mircea_popescu: who's about to invade the us on account of you know, it botching the bush election ?
mircea_popescu: and conversely, once i'm about to invade the us, you can bet your sweet ass it will be to rectify ancient evils
asciilifeform: just that derpers going about 'vox populi, vox dei' are tiresome.
mircea_popescu: such as that, or whatever you may feel like.
decimation: someone in the russian intel service decided that the 'useful idiots' on the left weren't so useful anymore
mircea_popescu: decimation no, it's the direct effect of capitalism.
mircea_popescu: people once allowed free markets turn their ideas against the us idiocy.
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decimation: because they always choose the alternative right?
mircea_popescu: which is why free markets are so important, and why "regulated" us-style so pernicious.
mircea_popescu: not just that, tho prolly a large part.
mircea_popescu: but also you know, many things that constitute th "reasonable" for they locked up into a tower / locked up into a 12yo body / locked away in that early phase of sleep melt away as ridiculous once the full mind is awake
decimation: this is true
mircea_popescu: i mean i clearly recall ths experience where i was falling asleep, and my through process in the remainder part of the brain was "oh my god what if i don't know how to open the door anymore"
mircea_popescu: literally, that.
mircea_popescu: had a good lol when i woke up.
asciilifeform experiences this regularly.
mircea_popescu: now- this is exactly the thought process of your run of the mill us citizen, or otherwise socialist derp.
mircea_popescu: "must has the state for i can't open the fucking door"
asciilifeform chalks it up to REM paralysis
mircea_popescu: but once some experience with doors is gained... well... lol. ok nm, moving on to saner approaches.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it's prolly quite related.
mircea_popescu: this is the life of the "theoretician", ie, the guy living in an artificial environment surviving on "grants", and of the child (the prototype of all contemporary scientists - he writes grant applications for to study the new xbox)
decimation: mircea_popescu: there's a good story about that in the podcast link I put up yesterday: "But even without Russ's lectures, people began to recognize the potential for the Tragedy of the Commons. And quite quickly formed Cattlemans' Associations--the kind of thing that Elinor Ostrom would, you know, love to talk about; and I've talked about it with her. Russ: These are voluntary restrictions on the use of resources, not government,
decimation: right? Guest: Government wasn't even a--close to Montana at the time these were formed, these were people saying, 'Gee, our cattle are mixing with one another and are breeding and maybe we don't want that. And if you put all your cattle where I put mine, there will be a tragedy of the commons.' "
decimation: ranchers in ungoverned lands just got together and figured out how to solve the problem of overgrazing/herd mixing, without any state involved
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mircea_popescu: the key ingredient ?
mircea_popescu: armed ranchers. armed ranchers who weren'tfrom the ozarks, but had heard of the ozarks.
jurov: actually, does anyone knows how hunters and gatherers stumbled upon this horrid idea of having a state?
asciilifeform: jurov: j.c.scott. 'the art of not being governed.'
mircea_popescu: jurov yes. it goes like this : if me and my friends meet you and your friends, we'll want to fight.
decimation: yeah they had a pretty close approximation to 'allodial rule'
asciilifeform: ^ sweeping masterwork on the subject
jurov: if the former arrangement is superior, why does the history repeat?
mircea_popescu: if i have more friends than you, you're fucked, even if you may be better than me.
mircea_popescu: and so there it goes.
asciilifeform: see also:
asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
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jurov: so... you're all dreaming of stuff that works only in sparsely populated land?
mircea_popescu: jurov no, it works fine just as long as one has the upper hand.
mircea_popescu: and until such a time, one breaks the hands of the opposition and beats it over the head with them until rendered.
jurov: again, that works best on sparsely populated land
mircea_popescu: if "best" is defined specifically so as to favour that, sure.
mircea_popescu: if not, inamushc as it's the only thing that works, it works best anytime anywhere.
decimation: jurov: certainly a few hundred years ago the major population centers of europe were ruled in a 'non-populist' way
decimation: I blame the french.
jurov: decimation dunno, in latin hungary there was always a struggle between a king and nobility
jurov: king had to be quite a populist
mircea_popescu: but nobility did not.
mircea_popescu: there's never going to be a solution for "all people", mind. what's at stake is for the solution to exist for the *right* people.
decimation: jurov: and I suspect that the solution was not to give every breathing biped a nanoslice of power
mircea_popescu: and gauleiters, or for that matter bureaucrats of any persuasion, can never be the right people.
jurov: decimation but they do have nanoslice of power regardless
jurov: if they decide
jurov: to use it
decimation: jurov: that's true, they can always riot/subvert, etc, which ultimately puts a lid on the king's/noble's power
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decimation: but this usually doesn't end well for anyone ie Napoleon
xmj: hmmm
decimation: or Caesar (Julius) for that matter
xmj: if you guys want exposure to some fun,
mircea_popescu: these are both bad examples.
xmj: look into "Aristocratic Egalitarianism"
mircea_popescu: you're thinking sylla
xmj: and Propertarianism.
xmj: you might like it.
decimation: yeah sylla pretty much put an end to the 'old republic
mircea_popescu: decimation but importantly, on the sort of populist grounds contemplated here,
mircea_popescu: or else the grachi
mircea_popescu: caesar is not much for an example. similarly napoleon, minus his pr, was not jacobin at all.
decimation: no, but my point is that destroying the structure of power typically empowers some megalomaniac to step in and fix things
decimation: of course one could also argue that the reason the french/roman aristocracy fell is because they sucked and had it coming
asciilifeform: the chinese, with their 'mandate of heaven' - get it.
decimation: asciilifeform: but that's effectively a capitulation to the idea that the permanent state is a necessity when humans live 'at scale'
asciilifeform: 'mandate of heaven' ?
decimation: someone needs to be mandated right?
asciilifeform: usually discussed in terms of losing it.
asciilifeform: that is, if king is overthrown, clearly he was unfit.
Apocalyptic: how so ?
decimation: right but then the next king takes over (usually with a different style), not an outbreak of anarchy-capitalism or whatever
asciilifeform: can be extended to 'if you end up sucking kingly cock, clearly you were unfit to maintain your anarchowhatever pastoral reservation.'
decimation: heh, as the jews say, if you take the king's shekels you take the king's shackles
asciilifeform: not a political statement, really a physical 'captain obvious.' -- 'if you went splat, clearly your parachute was inadequate.'
jurov: xmj from propertarianism.com "Flourishing requires that we suppress free riding in all its forms." << who decides about free riding and who's gonna supress it?
xmj: they have that elaborated there too
asciilifeform: jurov: gotta love the american 'anarcho-something-alists' who prattle on about 'rights' and a grandiose 'we' who 'shall do' things.
asciilifeform: jurov: i like to tell them, 'come back when you've invented a pocket neutron bomb that can be made from sticks and grass. until then, enjoy the state (tm) .'
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed. to me, rule under a wise king/baron/whatever is much more likely to approach their 'libertarian' ideals than statelessness
jurov: it seems to me as some kkind of ultracalvinism... without religious adherence to these principles whole thing falls apart
asciilifeform: jurov: back when the 'rights' folks believed in god, they at least had a sound psychiatric reason for pretending to have the pocket neutron bomb without actually having it
asciilifeform: 'respect my rights (tm) or god will zap'
asciilifeform: but today, 'respect my rights because i have rights'
chetty: religion does have purpose
asciilifeform: sometimes it's a 'respect my rights!11! or usg will set your house on fire.'
xmj: jurov: well it shouldn't
decimation: asciilifeform: as a Christian I find these 'godless anarcho-whatevers' to be amusing because they want to make usg into their god
xmj: jurov: ideally we'll come up with a set of self-perpetuating institutions.
asciilifeform: this generally works if opponent lives in a house usg has a habit, or otherwise might like, to set on fire - and could use pretext.
asciilifeform: (why usg needs pretext? has own internal rituals.)
chetty: people seem to need religion, they drop one, they invent another, by a different name ..greenies for instance
asciilifeform: !s morloch
decimation: think what you will about Jaweh, but don't say he didn't warn people what was going to happen: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8%3A10-20&version=KJV
assbot: 1 Samuel 8:10-20 KJV - And Samuel told all the words of the - Bible Gateway
asciilifeform: it is particularly entertaining, at least in limited dose, to read people whine about usg - the same people in whose heads it lives, of whom it is made in fact.
xmj: ^
decimation: asciilifeform: which is pretty much every adult who lives within 30 miles of you :)
xmj: decimation: 300 miles, too
chetty: kinda waste of effort to hate an idea
xmj: even 500miles, if you'd walk that far
asciilifeform: the presumption of a totalitarian 'we' - that will 'fix things' once 'take control' - jumps straight out of the page.
asciilifeform: xmj: complicated. imagine you happened to live near a fission reactor.
decimation: I suspect it's particularly obvious to anyone who lived in the ussr
chetty: the 'we' seems to be a bunch of very annoying bureaucrats
asciilifeform: xmj: suppose you are, e.g, an amish, and haven't much use for electric mains personally
asciilifeform: xmj: what kind of fate do you wish for the reactor
asciilifeform: first thing you might like is to move - far away
asciilifeform: but what if for some reason you haven't been able to do this.
chetty: better move fast, the fences are going up
asciilifeform: chetty: the best fences - invisible. and have been 'up' for very long time.
chetty: yeah but lately they been adding some not so invisible barbed wire
decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps if you can't move away from the reactor, your next 'defense' is to understand how it works so that you can predict 'danger'
asciilifeform: what good it does you to 'predict danger' if you can't pick up & go?
asciilifeform: (if you could - why would you wait until it pops)
chetty: asciilifeform, easy answer, the couch tv and potato chips are there
asciilifeform: -- couch tv and potato chips are there << or the chalkboard and cyclotron.
decimation: asciilifeform: in other words, invent an alternative reactor that doesn't suck?
chetty: well at least thats a respectable excuse
asciilifeform: this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how
asciilifeform: no pepsi-chalkboard, no pepsi-cyclotron to the moribund 'coke.'
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed, and this is why you are making 'cardano' within a 30 minute drive of fort meade :)
chetty: yeah at least 2 lions can argue over the carcass and leave the mice alone. One lion gets greedy
jurov: ussr was definite exercise in proving eugenics futile... dunno how it could have not fallen
xmj: huh?
asciilifeform: decimation: world's laziest bureaucrats. perhaps they're out of duffel bags and garotte wire.
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asciilifeform: decimation: that - or they're long under the control of soviet saboteurs like 'stirrup finder'
xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice.
decimation: asciilifeform: I doubt that there is anyone in usg that is empowered to use garotte wire within the us
xmj: asciilifeform: ribbonfarm.com had a good article on that one
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xmj: about who's likely to use which way of changing things.
asciilifeform: !s stirrup finder
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decimation: whatever one says about nsa, it's clear that the 'we protect computers & networks' section hasn't been doing much for the past 30 years
decimation: even by usg standards
asciilifeform: arsebot dead ?
chetty: decimation, sure they do stuff, just like the irs, they surf for porn
asciilifeform: doubt that there is anyone in usg that is empowered to use garotte << apparently they prefer limpet mines on auto and plane fuel tanks. perhaps they're also short on these ?
asciilifeform was fond of nixon for so long as knew the story about him - because there must have been something fundamentally good about the man if his fellow leeches threw him under the bus.
decimation: asciilifeform: that was the point of the blog: http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/08/unified-theory-on-watergate.html << "Despite Nixon's capture of the presidency, he learned where real power lay. In Haldeman's "Ends of Power", he writes ...by 1971 Nixon had realized he was virtually powerless to deal with the bureaucracy in every department of thegovernment... Civil servants, almost all liberal Democrats, would thumb their noses at
assbot: 28 Sherman: Unified Theory on Watergate
decimation: him. Washington insiders all acknowledge that the man who is still King in Washington has been dead for 32 years. Franklin D. Roosevelt's legacy lives on."
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mircea_popescu: xmj: they have that elaborated there too <<, they being a lone guy who flatters himself that he's going to "continue" things he scarcely understands, from a purely theoretical perspective. because this works now, and the ample supply of tims and culwicks is somehow not self-defeating.
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal you can do that yourself.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter self-deafening
xmj: thank god there's a lone guy judging another lone guy.
mircea_popescu: nice, but relativism doth not work merely because it would be convenient for it to.
Duffer1: so here's a first for me, i got advertising dust today https://blockchain.info/address/1LaxoTrQy51LnB289VmoSAgN6J6UrJbfL9
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kakobrekla: i didnt get shit :(
mircea_popescu: your advertising is weak!
mircea_popescu: decimation samuel was in all likeliness a pre biblical wiseguy. so technically jahweh just copy-pasted.
Duffer1: looks like everyone they sent to is in WoT, but i don't see some of the bigger names from this chan
mircea_popescu: chetty: well at least thats a respectable excuse << every excuse is respectable to the one guy whose respect matters you know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is why the death of ussr is a global calamity - even folks like jurov and mircea_popescu, who saw the underside of the colonial boot, might see the argument as to how << i certainly do not see such.
mircea_popescu: it was a very enjoyable experience to piss in the chalice in byzantium, looking forward to pissing i nthe chalice in rome.
jurov: stan apparently thinks ussr kept tejh us in check. now they're gone, usg destroys everything
mircea_popescu: jurov: ussr was definite exercise in proving eugenics futile... dunno how it could have not fallen << tell more ?
mircea_popescu: jurov well they kept the us mentally in check, so to speak. they're muppets in the fields of kansas, the best they can do is "we're better than x", very limited meanness. once no more x, there isn't a good reason not to patriot act all over the bed. i suppose that's the strongest reading of that.
jurov: dunno, i just think the ussr eugenics program was overdone
mircea_popescu: i didn't think they had one. how did it go ?
mircea_popescu: xmj: asciilifeform: you're talking about the old dichotomy. exit or voice. << how the fuck are the 70s old!
jurov: what else to call their management of the population?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i don't think it's a settled matter
xmj: ?
xmj: exit or voice has been around forever.
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm kinda curious of what you mean, cuz it doesn't seem much represented.
mircea_popescu: xmj it's hirschman's idea, and it has been around since forever in the sense of the 70s.
xmj: that doesn't matter
xmj: he may have been the one to put a name on it, the idea behind it has existed for millennia
xmj: ^ what i mean
mircea_popescu: a dubious assertion, but lettuce let it lay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00079684 = 4.781 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: whoa back to 8
mircea_popescu: dude the volatility in this thing
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 479.01, Best ask: 479.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 479.1, 24 hour volume: 2198.42967875, 24 hour low: 477.25, 24 hour high: 483.0, 24 hour vwap: 480.399542153
mircea_popescu: "The 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's resignation just passed. The myths around the Watergate scandal are many and deep. Like all bits of American history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth, but the official version looks shakier with each year. The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as our elected and unelected elite commit far more heinous acts and far greater
mircea_popescu: abuses of power. Members of his team bugged an office? Heh, how simple. Bug the world like Bush-Obama. I have always been intrigued by Nixon's rise, fall and return like a rock star set to politics, and this is my current take on a unified theory of Watergate."
mircea_popescu: this is such nonsense. let's write it about ted bundy now.
mircea_popescu: "The 40th anniversary of Ted Bundy's conviction just passed. The myths (not really, but we can call things anything, right?) around the crimes and their prosecution are many and deep (no reference required here). Like all bits of American (spurious, this is true of all history, but hey, gotta pander to the reader's "sentiment") history, there is the official version and the truth. We will never know the truth (delibera
mircea_popescu: tely so), but the official version looks shakier with each year (by simple working of the poor quality of this kind of idiot's memory). The reason for pushing him out looks quaint as that guy in Belgium kept a girl in a basement or whatever, and that's how things work now, by comparison and recourse to derpmemory. Because we're living in fucking post-literate society among barbarians. Here is my very important fanon on
mircea_popescu: the topic please read it and care because I have nothing else."
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 9k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221
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mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00079702 = 22.9143 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059659 / 0.00062126 / 0.00079764 (859525 shares, 533.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075371 / 0.00086027 (3582668 shares, 2,700.31 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00073704 / 0.00088145 (16887234 shares, 12,446.73 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !up vos_vos
BingoBoingo: Hello vos_vos
assbot: Gibraltar XI's occupations today against Poland... http://t.co/xevwyPvHvZ
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.75 BTC for No on "Euro sinks against USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/1041/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.85 BTC. Current weight: 99,843.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^ :D
kakobrekla: 3 months is kinda short aint it
mircea_popescu: the skirt is kinda short an' the stockings kinda red, but it'll have to do
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.53, Best ask: 477.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.84000, Last trade: 477.4, 24 hour volume: 2853.01037943, 24 hour low: 474.95, 24 hour high: 483.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.288412986
ThickAsThieves: now mpoe goes up, my theory is crap
ThickAsThieves: bot owner is trolling me
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Maybe USG got an MPEx account just to fuck with you?
mircea_popescu: or maybe a battle's been raging for a few weeks
BingoBoingo: Eh, this MPOE volatility has been happening for what? since it broke 100000 satoshis?
BingoBoingo: It's just faster now
ThickAsThieves: since it broke 7 i think
mircea_popescu: something like that
BingoBoingo: For all we know the USG might take a break from shorting BTC and send the Euro under the dollar tomorrow by telling Germany it lost their gold.
BingoBoingo: For that announcement I imagine Obama wearning Mr. T's gold chains
ThickAsThieves: GS has that under control
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly that'd prolly strengthen the euro
ThickAsThieves: they gave a roadmap for EURUSD parity, and now it's happening
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at first. First it strengthens the Dinar, or whatever the fuck ISIS uses. Probably fucking Dogecoin.
ThickAsThieves: which i guess means they wanna buy EUR?
BingoBoingo: ISIS would use fucking Dogecoin.
ThickAsThieves: or maybe they just wanna vacation in EUR more
assbot: how to smuggle dollars at DuckDuckGo
artifexd: TIL my wife is guilty of "bulk cash smuggling". I wonder if there is a reward.
mircea_popescu: How common is bulk cash smuggling?
mircea_popescu: Every year, hundreds of people try to smuggle more than $10,000 across U.S. borders in order to avoid reporting requirements. In fiscal year 2013 alone, ICE HSI special agents arrested over 520 individuals who were attempting to smuggle currency and seized more than $59 million in bulk currency or monetary instruments.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 59*10**6 / 520
gribble: 113461.538462
mircea_popescu: this seems shockingly ineffectual.
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BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure this is why the ruskies used stamps
mircea_popescu: i mean... "bitcoin, 100x larger than all the ice results in 2013" ?
mircea_popescu: "How does bulk cash smuggling affect our country?
mircea_popescu: Bulk cash smuggling damages our economy by removing billions of dollars from the commerce of the United States. "
mircea_popescu: ahem. 59 mn != billions.
mircea_popescu: they must be thinking of the billion and a half in bills the contractors took over to the taliban in iraq ?
BingoBoingo: I wonder if there is a dollar bill version of fast and furious, where Instead of ATF and guns the treasury just dumped a bunch of money on the cartels
mircea_popescu: yeah, actually.
kakobrekla: or the success rate is lower than 5.9%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18141999 = 0.9071 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Boy, 9, goes joy riding in city bus, police say - CNN.com
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how would they know ?
kakobrekla: not the scope of this discussion!
mircea_popescu: decimation btw, here's a curio : while darwin published in 1956, there's a little book of anon fiction published in 1844, "Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation"
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same fare.
BingoBoingo: I've always assumed the metallic ink on higher denomination US bills was to create X-ray shadows
mircea_popescu: lol kako arguing liek an ancient lawyer nao :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00080211 = 5.6148 BTC [+]
cazalla: !s peernova
cazalla: "Digital CC Limited (trading as digitalBTC)(ASX: DCC) (the Company or digitalBTC) is pleased to announce it has leased ~11% of its first generation mining capacity to PeerNova Inc., for an upfront payment of US$460,000."
cazalla: first time i've heard of this peernova mob
mircea_popescu: "digital cc limited" is not exactly famous either.
cazalla: i only follow it because they're au based
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure that logo we've lolled at beofre tho
cazalla: peernova or digital btc?
cazalla: or both
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00080131 = 0.601 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://peernova.com/product/petaone-rack/ << so wait... these people both make miners and pay 450k to rent miners ?
assbot: PetaOne Rack – PeerNova
mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound a whole lot like usagi on steroids.
mircea_popescu: "BitVest Digital Mining Corp. selected PeerNova as its strategic hardware supplier after an extensive review process. PeerNova's PetaOne(TM) enterprise class bitcoin mining systems offer the best combination of power, efficiency and cost for BitVest's planned large scale deployment."
mircea_popescu: da fuck lol. what's "bitvest"
mircea_popescu: http://www.bitvest.co/ << extensive review process people.
assbot: bitvest.co | Cryptocurrency Investments Strategies Made Simple
cazalla: not heard of that one either
mircea_popescu: domain Registered OnDecember 09, 2013
mircea_popescu: "PeerNova is leading the innovation in peer to peer applications and platforms for the digital currency and e-commerce markets. Our expertise is in building and deploying world class, high performance hardware and software solutions at the lowest OpEx and CapEx."
cazalla: To schedule a cryptocurrency investment consultation, please email us at info@bitvest.co - sounds good
mircea_popescu: meanwhile domain was born this april.
mircea_popescu: listen cazalla i would say at this point you've found an internet scamring.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, no report this week
cazalla: well, the guy behind digital BTC got done here by the ACCC for mobile games, ringtones a few years back
mircea_popescu: "DigitalBTC has technically been listed on the ASX since its ‘reverse takeover’ and transformation of Macro Energy Limited back in March, but has pursued the extra legitimacy of its own listing since then, which required approval."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.00080107 = 8.4176 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: this being the halmark of penny stock fraud, the reverse takeover.
mircea_popescu: cazalla "got done" ?
cazalla: fined
cazalla: slap on the wrist type stuff from memory
cazalla: ;;ud got done
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=got%20done | 1: "Daves got done for stopping on a red route" 2: "I got done for that saxo, it cost me £3000" 3: "She got done by steve after the club". by oracle March 12, 2004.
mircea_popescu: it looks quite scummy on the face, but i personally can';t be arsed to look into it. if you had a blog and the inclination to research you could prolly publish a decent article
cazalla: i might just do that
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no way someone who supposedly makes 1ph cabinets also wants to rent mining power.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00079389 = 2.1038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16868 @ 0.00079232 = 13.3649 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up B007
thestringpuller: not sure if bond reference or leet speak...
mircea_popescu: i upped on the bond theory.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9552 @ 0.0007793 = 7.4439 BTC [-]
B007: bond rederence
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just passed along your most recent naggum link to a group of ro kids to great benefit. you've contributed to the "propasirea culturala a neamului"
B007: hi
B007: I trolled here some months ago
mircea_popescu: was it fun ?
B007: also I predicted mc 1000 btc bet :D
B007: yes
mircea_popescu: mc what ?
B007: 08-03-2014 02:09:00 <B007> mircea_popescu: you should bet 1000 on something on your site
B007: 8 days before you did
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you wanna talk to a bunch of kinda derpy ro kids with some linux sysadmin experience ?
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea. I can deal with mild derpidity. shoot em my way
RagnarDanneskjol: or should I reach out to them
mircea_popescu: join #rogentos-dezvoltare
mircea_popescu: ill intro.
RagnarDanneskjol: ok many tanks
kakobrekla: no planes?
mircea_popescu: planes ?
kakobrekla: boring with tanks only.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum link << which ?
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 222050773.13
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, it is shocking, outrageous but also very amusing to see just how copy-pasted the final days us is from the peak of romania. it's almost as if instead of the romanian idiots copying teh superior us businessmen, the reverse happened. << i'd love to hear more about this
kakobrekla: !s n6
n6: creepy
kakobrekla: seemed like a new face
ben_vulpes: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <mike_c> the previous boss of argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoTwDfXZ6c
mike_c: hey
assbot: Fun and Joy in Washington, D.C. - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ today.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 04:06:06; asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LQKkpS3b
kakobrekla: strange, this predates it: http://dpaste.com/108JWBZ.txt
asciilifeform: that one - not mine
asciilifeform: lots of effort for a fellow who 'doesn't care.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i certainly do not see such... piss in the chalice in byzantium... pissing i nthe chalice in rome << some of us might like a place to defect to (specifically defect, rather than gulag-break and run into taiga)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: strange << what's surprising? poor sod carries on and on, like broken record
kakobrekla: strange? the follow up on the led and audio after not caring.
kakobrekla: as you already pointed out.
asciilifeform: he'll 'not care' to anybody who listens.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one about the matrix flippin;'.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah but so far not so sure how to organise it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the defectors weren't all that happy generally.
ben_vulpes: what inspired the comment in the first place?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes - who doesn't know this.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the thiel-buterin thing.
asciilifeform: i for one would still take it over alternative.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00076791 = 1.7278 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck did they do now.
mircea_popescu: these people. gentoo - each day a surprise.
asciilifeform in his 10th year of gentoo now.
mircea_popescu: so what happened ot the overlays list ?
asciilifeform: wake up, diametric. him - too, i think.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: probably cut wire. or caught fire.
mircea_popescu: aha. i thought website reorg
assbot: Gentoo Portage Overlays - Overlays
justusranvier: Gentoo makes me sad sometimes.
asciilifeform did not know mircea_popescu is aficionado of gentoo
justusranvier: Sucks in many way, yet I can no longer use traditional binary distros, and don't have time to go back to Linux From Scratch
mircea_popescu: i diddle them all and love none asciilifeform
asciilifeform: !up diametric
diametric: i used to be a gentoo developer.
diametric: it went downhill after daniel robbins left to go to microsoft.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier actually some of the better pakcages compile clean and fast now
mircea_popescu: s/package/distro/
diametric: people started making really bad decisions, specifically by making massive changes to portage that would break systems.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Yeah, I actually don't have many compilation/dependency problems any more, but it's not progressing very much as a distribution
asciilifeform: diametric: massive changes to portage that would break systems << aye.
asciilifeform wishes there was an alternative to gentoo, does not know of one
diametric: the closest i've come is archlinux.
asciilifeform still has not forgiven the x11 to xorg clusterfuck
justusranvier: I wanted them to cater more to developers, and make it even easier to dogfood your own packages
Apocalyptic: diametric, was about to say that
diametric: the AUR system provides PKGBUILD files were are similar to ebuilds.
asciilifeform: archlinux << not source-based !
justusranvier: I want Gentoo to ditch source tarballs entirely in favor of Git. It should be easy for a user to patch the source code of any package they run and have Portage handle merging changes from upstream
asciilifeform: has 'ports system' but as afterthought
mircea_popescu: what i don't like is the poor crypto use.
mircea_popescu: take asciilifeform's "mirror". well, is it a mirror or a mitmor ? how do i know ?
asciilifeform: who, outside of openbsd, has good crypto-discipline ?
mircea_popescu: and even there...
mircea_popescu: so, yeah.
asciilifeform verifies sigs by hand for critical items, grumbles
justusranvier: There should be no portage overlays
justusranvier: Your Portage tree should be in Git. If you want KDE packages in your Portage tree, then add the KDE team's repo and merge their branch into yours
mircea_popescu: justusranvier and what else, a fixed point so you can overturn teh earth ?
asciilifeform: distro without crypto-discipline entirely - should be assumed to be encrusted with teledildonic strange, like a japanese public toilet.
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: That too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how many peeps are running "linux because it's safe and gentoo because it's so and so" except they got it off drevil.repo
asciilifeform: probably quite a few.
assbot: Fundaia Ceata — Ceata elibereaz artele i tehnologiile actuale
mircea_popescu: Richard Stallman la Cluj, în turul echipelor locale ale Fundației Ceata
mircea_popescu: Richard Stallman la Vâlcea, în turul echipelor locale ale Fundației Ceata
mircea_popescu: Richard Stallman la Chișinău, în turul echipelor locale ale Fundației Ceata
thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00076791 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: dat m-po po
mircea_popescu: etc. richard stallman @booth 4, rinkiding central.
asciilifeform: did he carry out his traditional routine of attempting to speak local language ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
punkman: check that out
mircea_popescu: no fucking wai it closed
mircea_popescu: punkman ok, what ?
TheNewDeal: wtf was going on there
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, some btc were sold for 3200 EUR each
TheNewDeal: low 360 high 3200 eur?
mircea_popescu: Volume: 1788 BTC / 942115 EUR
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 942115/1788
gribble: 526.909955257
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is all for me. see you all on the other side.
TheNewDeal: still trading at 420 euro
TheNewDeal: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.33, Best ask: 470.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 471.0, 24 hour volume: 4719.96182203, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 483.0, 24 hour vwap: 475.57628363
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