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mircea_popescu: the press. what do they know.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081249 = 5.3624 BTC [-] {2}
joecool: the cardano seems ok if you can maintain physical security, it doesn't even try to stop an opportunistic attacker, i really don't see why it shouldn't have at least a simple auth system
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: so what's your internal debate on bitcoin for ccs?
mircea_popescu: joecool but it does. you can destroy it.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: 21:09:35mircea_popescu:the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs
joecool: mircea_popescu: assuming i leave it out by accident to go take a shit or whatever, attacker can sign whatever he wants with it, i will know it happened later on when the signature counter is incremented but who knows what he'll have done by that time with my identity
mircea_popescu: joecool well so don't do that.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete maybe it works out.
bitcoinpete: ah thought there might've been more there
joecool: mircea_popescu: i figured you'd say as much, it does seem trivial though to echo a string into the device before key generation, have it set a default counter to 3, and require that same string to be passed to the device in order to activate signing function
joecool: mircea_popescu: when counter hits zero cannot sign anything, need to nuke and generate new keys
mircea_popescu: what if you accidentally leave the string in paste buffer or w/e
joecool: mircea_popescu: don't do that?
mircea_popescu: so you see my point.
mircea_popescu: device is designed to fight enemy not user.
joecool: mircea_popescu: except the secret is worthless without the token, if someone had that secret they'd still need physical possession of the device
joecool: ie. if you did leave your unlock key on a public computer it wouldn't matter unless the attacker also held your device
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05697271 = 0.6267 BTC [+] {4}
dexX7: bitcoinpete> from citizen: ... where's that from? labeling historical btc losses in current exchange rate is stupid fud
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.057 = 0.342 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: dexX7: from the article you linked, second page
bitcoinpete: like mp said… that's press for ya
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.057 = 0.399 BTC [+]
dexX7: yea it's ridiculous
bitcoinpete: at least the canadian bitcoins guy had someone to blame, the flexcoin guy was just like "oops, what happened? peace up, a-town down"
joecool: ideally you'd be able to jam a pin in directly on the device to activate it but this increases cost and size substantially
joecool: but it's probably best to never sleep
novusordo: sleep is for the weak
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800501 = 0.116 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: joecool so what if someone carries a pin ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.057501 = 0.115 BTC [-]
joecool: mircea_popescu: i meant a series of numbers not a sewing device
mircea_popescu: so put it in a safe when not in use.
joecool: mircea_popescu: that is not practical while traveling
mircea_popescu: why not ?
ozbot: High Security Portable Briefcase Safe by Corporate Travel Safety (Free Shipping) - Travel Safes - Co
bitcoinpete: "Our Blockchain wallet passphrase was 10 alphanumeric upper and lowercase characters but was not as strong as it could have been, with some similarities to our passwords used on other apps. " http://www.fr33aid.com/1511/fr33-aid-bitcoins-stolen/
joecool: mircea_popescu: bolt cutters to take it and shouldn't be too hard top open in in the right environment after
joecool: *to open
novusordo: carry lube and a ziplock bag
novusordo: store in anal cavity
mircea_popescu: joecool your usecase keeps shifting.
novusordo: might be inconvenient at times but one rarely gets robbed while relieving oneself
mircea_popescu: was this attack of opportunity while you take a shit
mircea_popescu: or is it someone with a fucking plasma cutter
joecool: heh, you're correct a briefcase safe will stop a casual attacker while I take a shit
mircea_popescu: anyway. ima be off for nao, so we can take shits in briefcases later :D
joecool: if it is missing while I am gone, I should be able to revoke the key in the amount of time it takes them to open it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081333 = 5.368 BTC [+]
MisterE: another example of an entire "news" story without a single link: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/here-s-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse-20140318
MisterE: like they couldnt even likn to the study?
joecool: still doesn't mean I think it's a great idea to ship a product without a convenient simple auth system (easier than carrying around a heavy armored briefcase), but yeah ttyl :P
jcpham: please add no shitting in briefcases to topic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00549999 = 0.5225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0037 = 0.1554 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0037 = 0.1887 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.0037 = 0.5735 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0037 = 0.185 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00081149 = 6.6542 BTC [-]
toffoo: first missed asicminer div today in over a year+
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete hey frere if you need pronouns for me feel free to use my actual handle in the future
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete or, you know, my name.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.093669 = 0.281 BTC [+]
Duffer1: is Goat around? whatever happened to his physical litecoins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.093669 = 0.6557 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: BingoBoingo: is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin?
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I thought Smoothie had the physical litecoins
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm still wrestling with that
Duffer1: he did, but Goat was going to do his own
BingoBoingo: I tend to thing Bitcoin the thing is proper, bitcoins the unit of the thing not proper
benkay: that's what i'm rolling with.
BingoBoingo: Reading the logs looks like I slept through the Journos
benkay: there wasn't much.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Like the new look
benkay: thanks
benkay: not quite there yet.
benkay: need to deploy some capital against the design to get it just right, but i've finally ripped out all the modern garbage.
benkay: nubbins` hates it, though.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I killed my backgound image. Might make a more subdued version.
benkay: for good reason, too. while it's now free of the cruft, it lacks any actual aesthetic.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it has aesthetic benkay, the exact aesthetic the designers of the web wanted
benkay: (my colleagues would gasp in shock if they heard me opining about design)
benkay: maybe not, though. i did a complete 180 on my personal image over the past four months as our firm has gained traction.
BingoBoingo: Well, things happen
benkay: went from 'scruffy *nix hacker' to 'well-groomed software shop operator and smug lisp weenie-cum-*nix-hacker'.
BingoBoingo: Maybe that is just the aging process
benkay: hush you
benkay: i have too much to do before i mature
BingoBoingo: Next step might be running open Genera in a VM as your primary operating system and depreciating the *nix things
benkay: oh if only i had the time
benkay: they probably won't allow me to make commits on the clock for much longer anyways.
BingoBoingo: Shit happens
benkay: maturation process etc.
BingoBoingo: Apparently I missed the discussion on US police
benkay: the current trend in behavior is to just toss your two cents in as you read through the logs, directed at the people making interesting comments
benkay: asynchrony!
benkay: linked 'counterparty selection' again today BingoBoingo.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu For a few years now, Business Week has been a Bloomberg owned concern. Basically just pushing Bloomberg stories a bit shitter and a bit later.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nice. I'm rather glad I reposted that because the first instance never got any traction.
benkay: what's the rush, anyways.
BingoBoingo: Oh, there isn't much of one.
benkay: slashdot, hacker news, metafilter
benkay: here today, gone tomorrow.
benkay: "traction". silly-con valley horseshit, i say.
BingoBoingo: Eh, I might actually be the only person who likes the new Slashdot beta
benkay: old man
BingoBoingo: The OpenBSD saved by MP got roughly 15x the views the Counterparties link did. The two slashdots were a valuable experiment in seeing the crowd's view of Bitcoin as magic savior of geeks versus a functional tool for use.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that there could have been a better way to get that information.
benkay: first principles maybe?
BingoBoingo: A Priori has severe limitions
benkay: slashdot, though.
benkay: and slashdot ca. 2014 at that.
BingoBoingo: It's nice, its familiar, and I understand the culture
benkay: i worked for one of the perl greybeards who built and ran the place for a while
benkay: brilliant man
benkay: exceptional technical manager
BingoBoingo: The only REAL change in 2014 is now Google's the Big Bad
benkay: har
BingoBoingo: As opposed to Microsoft.
BingoBoingo: The big underlying theme its whole run though has been people hating an OS by a company primarily concerned with making cruddy dev tools
BingoBoingo: I seriously can't get over how much better your site looks Benkay
benkay: microsoft's dev tools are pretty good is the funny thing about that statement
benkay: their os is utter shite, but their dev tools make it possible for the averagely-intelligenced to participate in the big corporate software development dance.
benkay: thanks, man!
benkay: i know it sucked before.
benkay: i also knew it then.
BingoBoingo: Well, comfortable they can be. They tend to just shit crap though.
benkay: and i appreciate that you all let me fix it in my own time, with only the occasional gentle suggestions.
benkay: "gentle".
BingoBoingo: Eh, I think when I was out friday someone I gave less gentle design suggestions to was trying to hunt me down when I came back to the logs
benkay: oh? i must've missed this.
BingoBoingo: They suggested a link as an example of how I could make my site look "better" I pointed out the linked site should die in a tire fire.
BingoBoingo: Turns out it was a site they collaborated on
benkay: oh yeah the bitcoin podcast
BingoBoingo: Or someshit like that
BingoBoingo: I dunno really why people try to force information into audio or video without offering the same in text anyway.
benkay: mhm.
benkay: babydoll wanted me to watch some maddow thing about god i don't even remember
benkay: upshot was "honey, if there's no text, and it ain't comedy, i ain't interested."
benkay: implicit due to previous conversations is the notion that america doesn't produce worthwhile comedy.
chetty: the trend to video for everything is awful. people to lazy to write/read :(
BingoBoingo: Well, Bill Murray aligns himself with the Usurper regime from chicago
benkay: it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts?
BingoBoingo: chetty: My objection to the video and podcasting is that when I digest information on my own time I want to do it in an aesthetic environment of my choice.
benkay: i suppose that presumes being able to put one's thoughts into coherent words instead of babbling into a microphone.
BingoBoingo: Also some stuff can't be digested well from audio.
chetty: I like podcasts sometimes, listen while doing other stuff but mostly I'd rather read
BingoBoingo: Like the Kritik
BingoBoingo: chetty: A big problem with bitcoin podcasts is the voices of the presenters in many cases, just weren't meant to be heard
chetty: haha now thats true, and video - well they want my eyes and my ears??
BingoBoingo: Exactly
benkay: low information density to boot.
benkay: what's the wpm on a podcast?
benkay: a video?
BingoBoingo: There are reasons certain people get to be on TV and radio and others aren't
LordPutin: ^shameful person
BingoBoingo: Traveling among more and less rural Mid 'Murican shitholes it becomes clear the difference between a TV news crew in Quincy Illinois versus one in St Louis Mo or Chicago
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benkay: (twist: it's goat!)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0037 = 0.37 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I kinda want to make an account there to read the derp, but... I know they's boot me the first time I leaked some derp and prevent me from enjoying more derp
benkay: you don't have to have an account to read
BingoBoingo: benkay: They have a lot of non-public subfora it seems
benkay: ah
benkay: that's as may be, but the link i posted is derpy as hell on its own.
BingoBoingo: Apparently to see the cool parts of the Derp though, you have to be vouched for and stuff. Like its some sort of Heavy Derp cartel
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benkay: more derpy responsive horror: http://imgur.com/WEz8xpi
BingoBoingo: What the fuck is "peer coverage"
BingoBoingo: Unless it means a member of the House of Lords on the payroll
benkay: are you a slackware guy, BingoBoingo?
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BingoBoingo: benkay: Not yet, but I'm contemplating playing with it.
chetty: for those needing more derp
benkay: stahp chetty stahp i cannae take na more
chetty: :P
benkay: does anyone recall the post where dr. forehead claimed that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients?
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu hey if you have it on hand i'd appreciate a link to where dr forehead claims that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05675 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;google dr forehead
gribble: Chinese doctor builds new nose on man's forehead - Yahoo News: <http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-doctor-builds-nose-mans-forehead-023520476.html>; Chinese doctor grows new nose on man's forehead | Nation & World ...: <http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021921575_chinanosexml.html>; Forehead Contouring - Dr. Jeffrey Spiegel: <http://www.drspiegel.com/forehead-reduction- (1 more message)
benkay: mulhauser
BingoBoingo: That was disappoint
benkay: forehead reduction, though
chetty: wasn't that on bitcointalk?
BingoBoingo: chetty: It was
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.60325139 = 15.6845 BTC [-] {12}
benkay: ;;later tell toffo link to asicminer missed div dox pretty plox?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: 796
benkay: gracias, toffoo. apologies for mispelling your name.
benkay: additionally, this is visible on the 796 "exchange"
benkay: toffoo what is this "last week's mess" referred to below your link?
toffoo: i'm not sure
benkay: havelock has allowed people to abscond with funds? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430137.msg4766732#msg4766732
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu can has substantiation? http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: benkay, the VTX case comes to mind
KRS-One: .bait
benkay: jurov: would this be cavirtex?
jurov: yes
benkay: ah ty
benkay: that man once tried to get me to build a thing
benkay: wow
benkay: wow wow wow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61950241 = 2.478 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: best indicator of btc market tops
benkay: mpoe-pr's salary getting cut
antephialtic: mpoe-pr is definitely MP
antephialtic: the writing styles are too similar
benkay: i like the theory
benkay: mp as total wizard
benkay: can stand up, operate, diddle wp blogs, options bots, automated gpg airgapped systems (!) , post all day on btctalk and maintain a presence in here
benkay: and still find time to post nudes constantly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61951292 BTC [+]
antephialtic: MPEx is definitely a team of people. I think "MP" is the one on IRC, tweeting, writing trilemma posts, and posting on bitcointalk
antephialtic: but there's probably others that handle the money and coding
benkay: duh?
antephialtic: but I could be completely off base
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61951492 = 1.8585 BTC [+]
KRS-One: heh
jurov: antiephialtic, MP does not post to trolltalk, the girl does
ozbot: Weev Is Still in Jail Because the Government Doesn't Know What Hacking Is | Motherboard
jurov: i have met her in person and saw her descend upon the talk with an ipad
antephialtic: fair enough
antephialtic: His name isn't actually Mircea Popescu is it?
BingoBoingo: antephialtic: Their writing styles aren't similar at all
jurov: antephialtic why not?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0037 = 0.74 BTC [-]
antephialtic: jurov: It's apparently a very common name in Romania. I was under the assumption that the whole MP persona is a farce
antephialtic: unless some of you have actually met him in person and I'm just being dumb
benkay: ;;google trilema conference
gribble: The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/>; Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: <http://www.worldenergy.org/wec_news/press_releases/3797.asp>; World Energy Trilemma: Time to get real – the agenda for change: <http://www.worldenergy.org/publications/2013/world-energy-trilemma-time-to-get-real-the- (1 more message)
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benkay: !b 4
jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ i'm on one photo there, MP and Hannah (-the PR) are there
ozbot: The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: bah
chetty: hehe, so what is it MP is a crowd or MP is really all, I am confused
jurov: yes, half of this chan is MP
jurov: chetty but srs, you're on the first one too, no?
antephialtic: heh, OK. well that makes things a bit more clear
chetty: yeah :)
chetty: I just find all the theories about who and what MP is amusing
jurov: me too, i'm not disclosing anything further
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0037 = 0.6697 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62987999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00080975 = 9.2312 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00373916 = 0.415 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 294 @ 0.00374239 = 1.1003 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00374873 = 0.626 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 452 @ 0.00378096 = 1.709 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299978 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Good one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 270 @ 0.00371053 = 1.0018 BTC [-]
hdbuck: !t h AM1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.60000000 / 0.60949452 / 0.63011000 (87 shares, 53.02602309 BTC), 7D: 0.58000000 / 0.61138771 / 0.63900000 (482 shares, 294.68887585 BTC), 30D: 0.45000000 / 0.56692459 / 0.68000000 (3661 shares, 2075.51091245 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00353023 = 0.6178 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 575 @ 0.00352212 = 2.0252 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 267 @ 0.00378448 = 1.0105 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0038 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8591 @ 0.0008097 = 6.9561 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.056 = 0.616 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.06560968 = 0.5249 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06599999 = 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 856 @ 0.00351692 = 3.0105 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;later tell benkay i'd say Bitcoin is the name, like Coca-Cola, and bitcoins is the generic, like give me two cokes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00379763 = 0.3418 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah i see.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i'll make you a shirt if you pay for it (how many times have i said this on irc!)
nubbins`: ;;later tell benkay i don't hate the look, i hate the fact that it's barely functional. ;(
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: ;;later tell duffer1 latest i heard is that there were unspecified production problems with the coins
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check this shit out :
mircea_popescu: "I’m tired of university. I’m tired of having a fucked up sleep schedule, and studying. I’m tired of the fucking time I waste on the internet liking ironic meme pages and managing my facebook reputation, and shitposting on ylilauta.
mircea_popescu: I want to run away to Syria and become a fighter, or a pirate singing sea shanties, or a cossack in the Orenburg steppe, or to join a Chechen teip and steal horses from the lowlanders.
mircea_popescu: God damn it. Why is modern life so miserable"
mircea_popescu: dude wants to become a fighter!
nubbins`: he sure thinks he does
nubbins`: "i'm tired of being a fighter. i want to manage my facebook reputation"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: people with actual trench experience, under actual shelling, and all that will tell you that most noobs have this cry time
mircea_popescu: where they essentially go "i waaaaaaantttt my myyyyspaceeee"
nubbins`: whoever wrote that has a point, even if badly expressed. they want to stop being an utterly useless shitbag and do something "that matters"
mircea_popescu: course most of that happened before mothers were automatised away from the childrearing process, so traditionally it's noted as "i want my mommy"
nubbins`: not that a white kid getting killed in fucking syria matters
mircea_popescu: i doubt that's what it is, myself.
LordPutin: myspace is making a comeback they're implementing bitcoin wallets on their site now
mircea_popescu: mattering is not much of a general public sport.
mircea_popescu: they just want to be hurt. there's a difference between being hurt and mattering.
nubbins` ponders this over coffee
mircea_popescu: and it's overall a collapse into feminity (as it is women that mature over being hurt
mircea_popescu: men don't normally, but then again female is the default gender so if you vegetate for long enough you will start exhibiting feminine traits)
nubbins`: wait, is this why wizards grow tits?
mircea_popescu: prett ymuch yeah
nubbins` nods slowly
mircea_popescu: somebody linked recently a post about feral children in the romanian sewers
mircea_popescu: and it observed that the girls look like boys
nubbins`: tough times
nubbins`: vs easy times
mircea_popescu: which is true. there is a lot of fludity in human gender, and it is a lot of a function of environment
mircea_popescu: pretty much
nubbins`: ah, the general malaise of western youth
mircea_popescu: the again maybe the guy is just trolling
nubbins`: who would have thought that a complete lack of meaningful adversity would have produced generations of useless shitbags
mircea_popescu: "Yesterday as I walked to the gym, I saw that all the treadmills were occupied by fatties. so I chose the stairmaster/step machine for a try. to my surprise I saw that you could set your gender only with two options! male and female! I was outraged because although I was assigned a male because of my very big dick I identify with leopard slugs which are hermaphrodites with penises on the back of their heads! so like an
mircea_popescu: y other anti cis activist I did nothing,finished my workout and just bitched on tumblr.it was as if I could hear Gertrude Stein saying..Bravo…Bravo…"
nubbins`: (lotsa people, that's who)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` now ask me where i found this guy.
nubbins`: general-malaise.blogspot.com?
ozbot: X.IDIFF.MAR has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: my blog, of course.
mircea_popescu: i experience the world through it commenting on my blog.
mircea_popescu: bettyclamp whoa! what a name! who are ye ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: dr leering forehead really doesn't like you
mircea_popescu: im sure he doesn't like tits-pr. me... i'm an abstraction.
nubbins`: aren't we all?
nubbins` ponders this over coffee
chetty: I think those boys just want to grow up, and have no clue how to do it so they revert to 'go do violence'
mircea_popescu: MisterE yeah, "a study", no link. bs
nubbins`: chetty: well they're certainly not growing up at home
mircea_popescu: chetty while it's true that you could cook your pot of beans in the cinders of someone else's large party,
MisterE: indeed
mircea_popescu: if there's no large party by god you will hjave to gather the wood and strike the tinder.
chetty: yup, but its more than that, they have no clue what a grown is - never saw one
nubbins`: just wait 20 years
mircea_popescu: this'd be universally true of everyone tho. nobody has a clue what it's like before it's like...
nubbins`: everyone's a liberal until they get some money
chetty: well it kinda helps if you had a father - that was an adult
nubbins`: everyone's a conservative until they go broke ;(
nubbins`: chetty, +1
chetty: hmm not really nubbins' - Gates? Buffet? the rich guys speak much libtard
nubbins`: that's just lip service tho
nubbins`: gates is trying to soothe a guilty conscience
nubbins`: buffet is just trolling
mircea_popescu: everyone's a conservative until they become the richest guy in the valley, at which point their concern suddenly becomes "what if all these thirtysomething conservatives do what i do only better ? QUICK! TO THE LIBTARD MOBILE!"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` both are trying to make it so their "achievement" such as it is gets more and more difficult to replicate as time goes by.
mircea_popescu: it's really quite toxic.
chetty: kick the door shut behind you
nubbins`: what, making fat stacks isn't an achievement? ;D
nubbins`: speaking of achievements: moose sausage, hashbrowns, eggs, sourdough toast for breakfast
nubbins`: time to start cutting
mircea_popescu: trees, i hope.
mircea_popescu: he's a lumberjack and he's okay, he sleeps all night an' he chats all day...
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nubbins`: wait, so doctor squishface lost 11% and is bragging that it outperformed?
kakobrekla: yes outperformed almost everything except for holding the coins in cold storage
ozbot: Dropping Like Flies: Largest Steel Maker In China's Shanxi Province Defaults On CNY 3 Billion In Deb
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you read it here first.
mircea_popescu: "outperformed almost everythjing except for mpex stocks which we don't talk about because they suck because they suck because they suck because they have been outperforming all our retarded shit for three years straight now and mp is an asshole who fucks a lot of women and is currently paying one with a huge rack to humiliate us in public so fuck that shit mate!11"
mircea_popescu: forum investing in a dried spunk shell for you.
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nubbins`: ^ brekkies
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mircea_popescu: thats a new one.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dude wants to become a fighter << where'd you dig that one up?
ThickAsThieves: interesting how these device manufacturers are all backtracking on their plans for dualboot windows/android
ThickAsThieves: it's a horrible idea anyway
ThickAsThieves: but i wonder who's using what thumb
asciilifeform: lol. intel's porta-turd cancelled?
ThickAsThieves: a Huawei spokesperson says "at this stage there are no plans to launch a dual-OS smartphone in the near future."
ozbot: Microsoft and Google ruin Intel's plan for dual-OS tablets | The Verge
asciilifeform: pocket x86. because cell phones don't suck enough.
ozbot: Thieves dig 50ft tunnel to cash machine - ITV News
ThickAsThieves: "These people had obviously spent a long time plotting this crime and I doubt they would have been able to keep their plans secret for all that time, without telling others about their elaborate scheme."
asciilifeform: [insert the obligatory 'idots cannot imagine competence in others' bit here]
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ozbot: This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some dood commenting on trilema.
mircea_popescu: blackwhite ello
ThickAsThieves: i havent started reading past the journos pm part,
ThickAsThieves: but i pondered this yesterday
asciilifeform: why journarasts want to talk 'in private' is world's biggest non-mystery
nubbins`: i keep getting ughlol and that ninja fella confused
ThickAsThieves: when your wired convo wasnt posted in here
ThickAsThieves: it seemed out of character
asciilifeform: (so they can make up arbitrary turd and attribute it to the victim)
nubbins`: samurai
nubbins`: whatever the fuck
ThickAsThieves: so i assumed you were respecting his desire to not be scooped
ThickAsThieves: and maintain value in his work
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it is, really.
ThickAsThieves: i couldnt think of any other reason
mircea_popescu: i mean wasn't anything of much interest, i guess, and i'm trying to be hospitable/accomodating to the strange mores of these foreign peoples,
mircea_popescu: but it is fucking weird.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yet the value of my work, as public as it is, far exceeds the value of his work.
mircea_popescu: i mean these people are what, in 1970 ?
ThickAsThieves: you ARE a superior
ThickAsThieves: he works for one
mircea_popescu: there's been a digital revolution since, which they've been covering ad nauseam ever since hte days of the information superhighway
asciilifeform: they can't abide the idea of witnesses
mircea_popescu: what the fuck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then how can what he says be useful or meaningful ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to be flatly honest, i suspect these just aren't matters that anyone over there ever considered. at all.
mircea_popescu: just like nobody at the sec ever considered stuff.
ThickAsThieves: my website for my marketing business is a logo and an email address, yet i get voicemails everyday
ThickAsThieves: i get people saying they dont remember my email
ThickAsThieves: i get people wanting to mail and fax me things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and that'll go over so fucking well with me, i can see it already.
mircea_popescu: leah derpman is still "hiding for her lyf" and she didn't even talk to me, so well it worked.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surely this is not your first encounter with this species.
mircea_popescu: well no, but i never cared to think about these items before it seems
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me to tell you the icecream joke. it's one of my favs, but it has to be performed rather than told, so.
ThickAsThieves: i have a theory for at least a factor contributing to this behavior
asciilifeform: the one with brezhnev?
mircea_popescu: so write it up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nop.
ThickAsThieves: well it's pretty simple
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ThickAsThieves: it's the same thing about people wanting to protect their ignorance from being true
ThickAsThieves: they dont want to LOOK stupid
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be.
ThickAsThieves: but it's okay to BE stupid
mircea_popescu: dude so you look stupid to a bunch of foreigners.
asciilifeform: lol poor receptionist
mircea_popescu: he looks stupid either way anyway.
ThickAsThieves: well the behavior is retarded,yes
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ThickAsThieves: exhibited constantly nonetheless
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically "Privacy exists as a hiding place for the deviant, so as to have a space where his inadequacy to the rules isn’t directly, painfully or dangerously visible. At least within some limits there’s nothing wrong with that (but it does carry the seeds of insanity)."
ThickAsThieves: because privately you are dealing with one counterparty
ThickAsThieves: this works both ways too
ThickAsThieves: because the person being interviewed may not protect himself in the same way
ThickAsThieves: as if he were in public
ThickAsThieves: he may let shields down
mircea_popescu: anyway, anonimity, privacy, these are categories amply disrupted by bitcoin i would say
mircea_popescu: symptomatically... the people who will most get raped tend to flock to it and do a bunch of ablutions pretending like it's the opposite
asciilifeform: journarasts fear real-time net witnesses in exactly the same way that mythological vampire fears sunlight and crucifix
asciilifeform: or a slug - salt. etc
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin will solve the problems of wealth inequality" like hell it will
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin is anonymously private" yea right, totally.
ThickAsThieves: like with ughlol, he knows you'd not value him more than he's worth in public, but maybe, just maybe, you take him a lil more seriously in private. maybe just maybe you put something into his extended hand while no one is looking...
asciilifeform: 'solve the problems of wealth inequality' is usually 'duckspeak' (see orwell)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves amusingly, it's exactly the converse. in public he can stand symbolic, in private he can't be more than just himself.
nubbins`: journarasts!!
mircea_popescu: that's why it's not happening, when i talk to him here i'm talking to "aspirational 19yo indian kid"
nubbins` searches for a medal to pin on alf
ThickAsThieves: whatcha gon do /shrug
mircea_popescu: well apparently write abouyt it :D
ThickAsThieves: but then people might make fun of me!
mircea_popescu: yeah, let em.
ThickAsThieves: but without my id jerking off my ego, what's left?
ThickAsThieves: what;s this? 1. He'd know.
ThickAsThieves: you raped jurov?
mircea_popescu: what are you, like new ?
ThickAsThieves: on occassion
mircea_popescu: it's a joke like we do on the internets,
ThickAsThieves: "Cryptsy is a disaster 10x worst than MT. gox waiting to happen"
ThickAsThieves: reddites
mircea_popescu: what's in a number.
mircea_popescu: binary notation, 1000x is like 8x
Neil: mircea_popescu: "Rejection reason: Phrase it so you zeroconf on no." What does that mean in English?
mircea_popescu: you probably made a bet that the mod judged as having zero chances in hell of coming out no and you put your money on yes
ThickAsThieves: make it so the bet is not infinite
Neil: I don't think so. Who can answer definitively?
mircea_popescu: aite lemme see what's there
Neil: ThickAsThieves: What do you mean, not infinite?
Neil: Those where mod thinks it's too one-sided are usually rejected with some kind of "put substantial paid wager on XX"
Neil: Seems to be about the wording. But negative bets are not allowed, so worded it the way I did.
ThickAsThieves: Can't you just say, diff will not change more than 16%, then have a close date?
Neil: That's negative
Neil: That's what I wanted to say...
ThickAsThieves: diff increases will be less than 16%
Neil: Is the problem the word "forever"? If so happy to resubmit...
ThickAsThieves: well forever obv has to be removed
Neil: Other bets have had forever in them...
Neil: mircea_popescu: If you can confirm I'll redo.
ThickAsThieves: thats not a reason
ThickAsThieves: bitbet has made mistakes yknow
Neil: Hard to believe...
mircea_popescu: no, it does.
ThickAsThieves: the notion of forever being held within something with a life span
Neil: Dunno what zeroconf means as a verb
mircea_popescu: anyway, this resulted from a interpretation of a moslty unrelated standing order i gave.
mircea_popescu: that aside, you can't have infinite bets.
Neil: So ok to resubmit worded more like TATs suggestion?
mircea_popescu: yeah, not more than x% by y should work
Neil: Don't wanna waste everyone's time if it's just gonna be rejected again
Neil: OK
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't, we'll at least find out why
mircea_popescu: by now my shit is too complex for me to even say, and i don't even code ;/
ThickAsThieves: businessinsder doesnt even bother rewriting now "Editor's note: This post originally appeared last month on BitScan.com. It is republished here with permission from the site. "
ThickAsThieves: i guess it's an improvement...
asciilifeform: i don't even code << probably more first-rate heads have been ruined by programming computers than dope
mircea_popescu: you think ?
mircea_popescu: anyway the common encounter with runaway systematic complexity is for most people in computer programming
asciilifeform: i sorta run a blog about this, 7 yrs. now. and programmers come to tell me that i'm a barking madman
asciilifeform: and that things are exactly as they ought to be
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it's the programming to blame
mircea_popescu: well that works out then.
ThickAsThieves: clarity and knowledge are a great burden
nubbins`: "runaway systematic complexity" << there's a dilbert character devoted to this
nubbins`: "the feature creep"
mircea_popescu: slightly different problems, these.
nubbins`: he's a quasimodo-esque figure with a bum eye and a tattered cape
nubbins`: "let's add a search feature" etc
Neil: Done thx
mircea_popescu: nubbins` consider the case of, here's this woman and she'll do anything you tell her to do, and nothing else. at least as best she can help it. what now ?
asciilifeform: ('softwaresucks' tag on me site, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=23)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: now i'm drowned in the minutae of keeping a human being alive
ThickAsThieves: neil you realize the next diff might be 16% right?
asciilifeform: i assume most folks have read, as children, tales of genies and wishes
mircea_popescu: so you try to cope with suddenly runaway complexity
nubbins`: talking her through breakfast so she doesn't choke on it
mircea_popescu: "you should brathe and do other normally, naturally occuring things. except not shit on the carpet"
ozbot: Feature Creep on Dilbert.com
mircea_popescu: trying to make simple rules that work irl is...
mircea_popescu: well basically it's programming.
mircea_popescu: and more good cocks have been ruined by programming than dope.
asciilifeform: ;;google scanners live in vain
mircea_popescu: which has also been ruined by programming
gribble: Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_Live_in_Vain>; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: <https://archive.org/details/ScannersLiveInVain>; Scanners Live in Vain by Cordwainer Smith — Reviews, Discussion ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6147203-scanners-live-in-vain>
mircea_popescu: cause it's wasted on programmers
mircea_popescu: or wait. what ?
nubbins`: my cock was almost wasted by programming
mircea_popescu: let us all program with our cocks henceforth
Neil: ThickAsThieves: Sure
Neil: ThickAsThieves: Very unlikely IMO; too late already
nubbins`: i managed to divert the beam of lethargy and focus it on my will to work an office job instead
nubbins`: which was, incidentally, vaporized instantly
mircea_popescu: derporized
Neil: But I've been wrong before. And I've put money on "Yes" so it might get it started.
nubbins`: and now i yammer on irc and wave my arms around a print shop
nubbins`: not a bad trade
mircea_popescu: just thing how much more you could have accomplished
mircea_popescu: if you also had tits.
nubbins`: just think of all the neckbeards and wizards i would've gotten to know
mircea_popescu: here's a sad commentary on the power of media, social or otherwise :
asciilifeform: this is not the first time i see 'wizards' mentioned in this context
asciilifeform: which wizards would these be ?
mircea_popescu: after three days of constant hammering of two different articles on trilema (the buffett and the sec), my third most read item ?
mircea_popescu: /2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/
mircea_popescu: aka, how to suck cock, a guide for half the oral sex
nubbins`: those wizards ^
ThickAsThieves: mp now you KNOW the SEC is watching!
mircea_popescu: basically nobody reads anything. they just click.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that thing has been in the top 3 since i wrote it.
ThickAsThieves: cum? sex? oral? YES PLZ!
ThickAsThieves clicks 1800 times
mircea_popescu: i am probably responsible for more throat cancer than any other one man.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: herbi was borderline wizard
nubbins`: hm, i wonder...
nubbins`: ;;ud wizard
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wizard | Wizard. A 30+ year old virgin. James became 30 on February 2nd, 2012 and was still a virgin. He was now a wizard, and so he decided to post the definition on ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: wizard
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'
mircea_popescu: i have no diea what that means
nubbins`: #bitcoin-polyglots
ozbot: Even a pigeon has a pussy - Everything2.com
asciilifeform: explained here
mircea_popescu: finish. fucking language of what is it even doing here
nubbins`: with the subtle distinction that pigeons shit through their pussies
mircea_popescu: nubbins` moar like polyclots amirite
nubbins`: hmm, +1
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "so do women if you're doing it right"
ozbot: Finnish proverbs - Everything2.com
asciilifeform: for the connoisseurs among us
mircea_popescu: pity that finish guy never found this room
asciilifeform: 'Siperia opettaa.'
ozbot: Siberia will teach - Everything2.com
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008097 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080623 / 0.0008116 / 0.00081619 (989731 shares, 803.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00079488 / 0.00082035 / 0.00089749 (7257034 shares, 5,953.37 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00084942 / 0.0008982 (29664412 shares, 25,197.56 BTC)
thestringpuller: lol that volume gets bigger and bigger
Ghaleon_: lol
Ghaleon_: MP, haters gonna hate
ThickAsThieves: "We, as women, will play a very large part in the development of the Bitcoin economy and many of us will shape the businesses and services in the sector."
ThickAsThieves: "The majority of the women who will be entering the community will not be particularly tech savvy nor will they be traders, programmers or developers. They will be women like me. "
Ghaleon_: who saw that Putin speech, was damn awesome
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mircea_popescu: o holy grama on a sitkc already. give her the stupid women post.
mircea_popescu: "o i am dumb lazy and fat but rather than learn to pole dance and add a modicum of value to this world i'll just post about how it's ok to suck for i am a woman and i want to ruin this word for humanity"
ThickAsThieves: the whole post is so horrible
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bout same no ?
kakobrekla: well, she does state she is a sewer. what do you expect other than shit.
chetty: geeze these 'girls' give actual women a bad name
ThickAsThieves: after she gets off her douchebox, she just splurges this over and over using duifferent words "There is something very special happening right now. Something I haven’t experienced before. It’s a renaissance of sorts. In this new space, we are free to create anything we want, any way we want. Innovation, entrepreneurship and creativity are abundant. "
ThickAsThieves: women! idea! community! joing our Google Hangout!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol
ThickAsThieves: i just saw the sewer part
ThickAsThieves: it's so bad i wonder if it's a joke now
ThickAsThieves: "I am now writing for 2 online cryptocurrency publications – one of which I will be helping to develop, Bitcoinwoman Magazine – Africa ."
ThickAsThieves: ok i'll stop, like every line is awesome
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in loglandia :
mircea_popescu: if you are using a mobile phone this is what websites see about your thing.
LordPutin: itwas pretty good Ghaleon_
LordPutin: Putin is a true leader
mircea_popescu: that you were looking for pizde, that you're so-and-so string etc
Neil: .bait
ThickAsThieves: "You've been invited to CipherTrade as you've got shares in CipherBond waiting for you!
ThickAsThieves: Simply visit CipherTrade, sign up and your shares will be automatically allocated to you."
ThickAsThieves: so katecraig, finally put to task to redeem her bonds, prays the market will solve things for her
LordPutin: katecraig is really a guy tho
LordPutin: dont think he counts
ThickAsThieves: i like how she's opening trading before paying overdue divs too
ThickAsThieves: of course she's the only buyer in the market
mircea_popescu: well so lettuce guess what happens once some guy with a new york website sends cryptsy an email ?
mircea_popescu: or cipherwhat ?
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LordPutin: hisrealname is- Robert Hardy Craig-Wood
mircea_popescu: such lulzy names srsly.
LordPutin: Known for It Entrepreneurship, Transexual activism & being transexual
nubbins`: first last first-last
nubbins`: you sure that's not two people?
Ghaleon_: lol
Ghaleon_: tranns n bitcoin
nubbins`: siamese twins, m/f?
Ghaleon_: trannyz
LordPutin: Craig-Wood was born in 1977 as Robert Craig-Wood. Craig-Wood was educated at the Royal Grammar School and attended the University of Southampton obtaining a 2:1 in Biomedical Science and a Masters Degree in the same field.
Ghaleon_: this is bangkog and tequila don;t mix
LordPutin: Craig-Wood married in 2000 and divorced in 2006. The divorce was a result of her beginning her male-to-female gender transition, which she undertook between October 2005 and November 2006.
LordPutin: and you guys fapped to him *shakes head*
nubbins`: speaking of gender, i just ordered a cis kit
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ozbot: Grupos de Google
jurov: nubs what's in the kit?
Mats_cd03: good writing
nubbins`: jurov: guns & ammo, condoms, etc
nubbins`: LEL I KID
nubbins`: cis = continuous ink system
jurov: you need FtoM kit???
nubbins`: fake print head and a bunch of external tanks and tubing
nubbins`: for an epson printer
mircea_popescu: in other news, the somethingawful coverage of bitcoin has changed from "clearly the people behind bitcoin are marginal fuckwits who don't understand central topics everyone else understands" two years ago to "clearly the media is writing positive articles because it talks to a general audience which is very poorly educated and doesn't understand central topics only we understand"
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking funny evolution, and i suppose the blueprint will be copied amply.
Mats_cd03: although i dont like this garbage about gender roles in IT
nubbins`: what the fuck is a gender role in IT
nubbins`: something like 70% of the employees at my last job were women
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Mats_cd03: definitely not the norm
nubbins`: 55% of managers
Mats_cd03: at least in technology
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: depends on what qualifies as "it"
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nubbins`: sure, helpdesk staff is usually mostly male
LordPutin: have you notice that women want to be the boss and make the same or even more money than men but still want you to pay for dinner?
nubbins`: LordPutin: no, i haven't
Mats_cd03: women already make as much money as men
nubbins`: have you?
Mats_cd03: in murica, anyway
nubbins`: have you noticed that people who offer asinine statements like yours are usually neckbeards who have an unrealistic concept of women based solely on their years of internet wizardry?
mircea_popescu: he's not that old.
Mats_cd03: people look at salary averages for men and women, and temporarily forget women sometimes allow a parasite to grow inside them for close to a year that makes them worthless for productive work
LordPutin: your not a bitcoiner if you dont have a neckbeard
Neil: blockchain.info borked again
Mats_cd03: and usually they go on to raise the bugger and leave work to do it
mircea_popescu: Neil nuts huh.
Mats_cd03: so...the corresponding salary differential is a product of that, but in many fields they have parity
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: in fact, if you exclude women who have children, there's still income disparity
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 in my experience pregnancy has no discernible effect on productivity.
nubbins`: but hey, what do i know
mircea_popescu: child rearing however... oy vey
mircea_popescu: woman loses 30 iq points for the first year
mircea_popescu: then gains ~7-8 or so each following year
LordPutin: be cool if women didn't exists and you could just hang out with guys all day
Mats_cd03: youre a faggot
nubbins`: yeah bru super cool
nubbins`: we could all suck each other's cocks
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 can't even speal your
Mats_cd03: baseball brews and blowjobs?
nubbins`: wait now
nubbins`: you're saying that you can't hang out with guys all day because women exist?
nubbins` ponders this over coffee
LordPutin: you could have sleepovers and talk about bitcoin all night and groom eachothers neckbeards
nubbins`: russia is a strange place
chetty: oy vey
LordPutin: don't hate because we have the best leader in the world
mircea_popescu: chestbeards ?
mircea_popescu: benkay: it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts? << you miss out on the point that people would love to do work they can do.
Mats_cd03: im amused by russias power play in crimea
mircea_popescu: which is why a procrastinating dork will happily do the god-awful work of clicking through websites
mircea_popescu: rather than whatever useful thing he should be.
Mats_cd03: now europeans have to worry about russians bending them over heating oil too
LordPutin: check and mate
ThickAsThieves: i dont like the notion of there being useful content buried in podcasts
Mats_cd03: thank god i love in murica
ThickAsThieves: i hear about an interesting podcast and i'm like wtf
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so let's all just pretend like it could never be the case,
mircea_popescu: and then it wont be.
Mats_cd03: wait til the arabs and poor people start flooding euro borders in the coming famine
Mats_cd03: youll remember i called it
LordPutin: mats you have a muslim as your president
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artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd
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LordPutin: who goes on shows on between the fern and ellen to crack some jokes
artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f35ce2f33ebfddb0b3e15de1380987380a2f99a0b8bb49dbbdd7e111
gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
Mats_cd03: i wonder how it feels to be the last black president
nubbins`: obama on "between the ferns"
nubbins`: maybe the most brutal humiliation i've ever watched
LordPutin: indeed
LordPutin: putin would never do some clowningshit like that
LordPutin: too soon mircea
mircea_popescu: not for me.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 women under 30 may come in
mircea_popescu: as long as they leave their stinking rags in the no man's zone
jurov: Mats_cd03: last i heard whole cali and more is running out of water too
mircea_popescu: jurov it has been for years, but now it finally rained
mircea_popescu: so they got an extension.
Mats_cd03: jurov: nah, a vast percentage of it is being abused for agribusiness
mircea_popescu: these birds are clever
Mats_cd03: residential use is tiny in comparison
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 feeding the us is no abuse.
Mats_cd03: theyre feeding china too
mircea_popescu: well because the us is moistly poor
Mats_cd03: www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/opinion/meat-makes-the-planet-thirsty.html
mircea_popescu: "the planet", gimme a break.
Mats_cd03: > Vegetables use about 11,300 gallons per ton of blue water; starchy roots, about 4,200 gallons per ton; and fruit, about 38,800 gallons per ton. By comparison, pork consumes 121,000 gallons of blue water per ton of meat produced; beef, about 145,000 gallons per ton; and butter, some 122,800 gallons per ton.
Mats_cd03: > but the Rancho incident reminds us that plants aren’t slaughtered, a process that demands 132 gallons of water per animal carcass, contributing even more to livestock’s expanding water footprint.
Mats_cd03: > Alfalfa growers are now exporting some 100 billion gallons of water a year from this drought-ridden region to the other side of the world in the form of alfalfa. All as more Asians are embracing the American-style, meat-hungry diet.
mircea_popescu: they eat better because they can afford it
Mats_cd03: something something, marx, selling capitalists rope, etc...
mircea_popescu: stfu and work the presses.
Mats_cd03: i love murica but i wont live in california
Mats_cd03: although san diego is nice its a little too close to the border for me
ThickAsThieves: wait Courtney Love really might have found the plane?
LordPutin: if you had to do courtney love without a condom and lick her gina or kiss a guy what would you go with?
ThickAsThieves: kiss a guy
LordPutin: good choice
ThickAsThieves: “If her intention was ‘to not indicate any change’ she did a horrible job,” he added. “Hence she gets a C-! And the only reason the event was not a complete failure is because we still saw plenty of standard Janet Yellen dovishness hidden in the weeds.”
Mats_cd03: id let TAT give me a kiss
ThickAsThieves: i've been tested!
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dexX7: ;;seen Duffer1
gribble: Duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 26 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Duffer1> he did, but Goat was going to do his own
ThickAsThieves: (topic is opening BIT to all investors)
LordPutin: they make a nice couple
ThickAsThieves: i suspect she'd fuck anyone though
LordPutin: you know when they show the winklevoss pics i bet you they just copy and pasted theone pic
nubbins`: those eyes
nubbins`: have seen things
nubbins`: LordPutin: you know the winklevoss "twins" is just one guy holding a tall mirror, right?
LordPutin: ibet they make out with eachother while watching bitcoinwisdom
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nubbins`: "make out"
nubbins`: men with jaws like that don't make out
nubbins`: they fuck
nubbins`: and they fuck to cum
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay the best approach would be to systematiclaly take all assets that were listed on havelock at some point and aren't anymore. the total ipo dough - whatever was paid hence is the loss on that score for the naive public. then take all the dilutive issuance (where shares were later issued for less than what they asked originally) and add it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't bet much on obama not feeding preet to putin's bear. yezhov didn't live to grow old.
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mircea_popescu: in other news, coindesk finally heard about the news, three days late. net result ? oodlebunchesd of blog spam from an entire ecosystem of spamsites.
mircea_popescu: gamerpalace.net/bitcoindeals/ reportcoin.com/beta/ iusebitcoins.com/ myfxequipment.com/ thecointalk.com/ KculShare.com/ begcoin.com/ etc
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mircea_popescu: all these seo experts ;/
ozbot: Police: N.J. teen arrested at top of World Trade Center
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asciilifeform: if gru still existed, this kid would be happily & productively employed.
davout: !t m x.eur
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asciilifeform: better link:
ozbot: Teen sneaks past guard to reach WTC spire | New York Post
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
ozbot: WikiBrains | CryptoCurrencies by Trade Volume
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd hire him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: S.GRU
mircea_popescu: lol that'd be a sight
mircea_popescu: i thought the gru was a non profit anwyay
ozbot: Transgender Woman Claims Former Male Self a Murderer
asciilifeform: actually it was pure, obscene profit
asciilifeform: their main peacetime job was lifting tech
mircea_popescu: hm this is a point
mircea_popescu: so basically s.gru would be a torrent site ?
asciilifeform: not just any torrent site
mircea_popescu: indeed not.
asciilifeform: but, torrents that could only come to exist by a daring act of [censored]
mircea_popescu: i guess it doens't work cause you'd have to have a paywall.
mircea_popescu: tho... "just 19.95 a week and you can download all the secret documents you care to.
asciilifeform: could always work as 'prepay' model.
mircea_popescu: how to make bombs out of dogshit. pictures of nanci pelosi doing her dog
asciilifeform: my imagined picture of s.gru involves recruiting moles deep in the enemy's rear, etc.
benkay: nubbins`: functional? it's got a list of posts. whaddaya want?
dexX7: ThickAsThieves: were you able to "use" ciphertrade?
ThickAsThieves: eventually
ThickAsThieves: all it really did is show me a qty of what they owe me
benkay: "deep in the enemy's rear"
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure what process they used to allocate the bonds to accounts
asciilifeform: double meaning intentional.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if i make accoutns using email addresses of others if i get those too
benkay: doubtless.
mircea_popescu: benkay MOLES mind you
dexX7: i see.. don't try to send shares to yourself.. they simply vanish <.<"
ThickAsThieves: why send shares to yourself?
ThickAsThieves: a mistake?
benkay: my money's on hamsters deep in the enemy rear.
dexX7: rather a test to see, if internal transfers are working
ThickAsThieves: wtf is Blackcoin?
benkay: or a gerbil.
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ThickAsThieves: "BlackCoin is pure Proof of Stake coin, except stage of initial distribution, when it was mixed PoW and PoS coin."
mircea_popescu: very pure such wow.
mircea_popescu: let's use words that mean things.
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ThickAsThieves: it is what it is, except when it isn't
chetty: but what if it wasn't
ThickAsThieves: well then it is
benkay: might be tho
mircea_popescu: all i can say to you people is enough!
mircea_popescu: like so :
benkay: maybe.
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ThickAsThieves: enough is enough, or so i've heard
ozbot: Diablo 2 LoD - Search for Baal - Legendado - YouTube
mircea_popescu: possibly best cutscene in the history of cutscenes
ThickAsThieves: are there cows?
ThickAsThieves: i d remember this
ThickAsThieves: watched it more than once
zoinky: lolol d2
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ThickAsThieves: is this what your entrance will be like at trilema conference?
mircea_popescu: no, i burrow.
ThickAsThieves: em portugues!
radan: salut camarazi!
radan: dr. popescu invited me to come on here
benkay: salut!
ozbot: Video: Guy Pulls A "Deez Nuts" Joke On The Peoples Court Interviewer
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asciilifeform: radan: pleased to meet you.
asciilifeform: radan: personal friend of mr p ?
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ozbot: Facebook Introduces 'Hack,' the Programming Language Of the Future | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
ThickAsThieves: "You can think of Hack as a new version of PHP."
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: herr naggum answers from his grave: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html
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ThickAsThieves: speaking out of total ignorance, do you have an equally succint link to what makes Lisp the purest of the pure?
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ThickAsThieves: succinct*
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: there is not, in fact, a programming language called 'lisp', but a large number of langs with various defining characteristics that put them in the category.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: this is described, somewhat abrasively, here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: additionally, there exist other 'programmable programming languages' - most famously, 'forth'
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: here, for instance, is an example of a minimal lisp in ~500 lines of C: https://github.com/qyqx/small-lisp/blob/master/sl3.c
ThickAsThieves: is there a Lisp "framework" and "library" or would such be heresy?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: there is an unimaginable abundance of libraries of every description for various lisps
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i'm partial to 'Common Lisp' (ANSI INCITS 226-1994)
asciilifeform: if you have a x86, x64, ppc, sparc, alpha, mips: http://sbcl.org
asciilifeform: or, if you like commercial support, there are proprietary products like 'Allegro' (franz corp.)
benkay: lisps can be found that sit atop most other languages too, ThickAsThieves. there are python lisps, java lisps...
ThickAsThieves: mostly i'm just trying to at least have a superficial understanding
benkay: if you squint, lean your head sideways and don't work with other javascript developers javascript can be written fairly lispily.
asciilifeform: one can sit a minimal, 'academic' lisp on top of virtually anything in 1/2 hr.
asciilifeform: but usually people are interested in something that is actually usable
asciilifeform: 'sbcl,' for instance, runs at close to the speed of compiled 'c' when used intelligently
asciilifeform: (it is a pure dynamic compiler - no interpreter at all)
ThickAsThieves: so lisp is more a way of speaking, than a language
asciilifeform: as described in my brick essay
asciilifeform: though the concepts do have a common ancestor (mccarthy, 1958)
asciilifeform: charlatans have been getting by for decades lifting feature after feature from common lisp
asciilifeform: and pitching it as 'new, amazing'
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asciilifeform: e.g. garbage collection
asciilifeform: dynamic typing
asciilifeform: 'lambda'
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ThickAsThieves: "discovering" things that they didnt realize or acknowledge were long since discovered
asciilifeform: computer industry in 1 sentence.
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benkay: I had this figured out from the first day or so of looking seriously at Bitcoin. It takes you guys including MPOE a while to catch up.
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ThickAsThieves: satoshi is nelson mandela?
ThickAsThieves: NSA general counsel Rajesh De told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board that the PRISM program was carried out with the “full knowledge and assistance of any company from which information is obtained.” The claim, if true, would mean that the many protests from Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, and other technology companies were factually inaccurate, if not deliberately
ThickAsThieves: misleading.
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asciilifeform: (ignore title, talk isn't about usa)
ThickAsThieves: some email spam is so weird... "We intend to import a large number of bullet proof glasses. Could you provide us that? If yes, Please send us more details of your product. Hope we will have the opportunity to cooperate!"
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nubbins`: benkay: what i want is something that doesn't make my eyes bleed
nubbins`: it's fine if you want a plaintext-only website, but it doesn't have to be brutally unappealing
benkay: that's a *wholly* new claim.
ThickAsThieves: how about we just have kako host a b-a BBS and everyone just posts blogs there
ThickAsThieves: but nubbins, just try a feed reader
ThickAsThieves: Feedly works pretty well for me
ThickAsThieves: it even cleans up benkay's text
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nubbins`: ehh, feed readers
nubbins`: i just halved -- at least -- the height of your footer
nubbins`: now it's not taller than the articles
benkay: but your eyes aren't bleeding now!
benkay: what's the point i say
benkay: use a feed reader.
nubbins`: oh, they still are
nubbins`: mostly because of the needless <h1> post titles
benkay: but they're <h1>IMPORTANT</h1>
ThickAsThieves: isnt that what h1 is for?
nubbins`: and the "previous/next" shit that makes me feel like i'm navigating a shit text dump from some forum archives
nubbins`: h1 is for nothing
ThickAsThieves: but SEO!
ThickAsThieves: how will benkay drive his advertising rates?
benkay: your poor feels, nubbins`.
nubbins`: hey, i'm just trying to help
nubbins`: if you insist on keeping "previous/next", at least put it after the article
benkay: hm hey great idea
nubbins`: well yknow. if i'm reading an article i wanna read an article
nubbins`: not go immediately to the previous or next one
nubbins`: also FWIW if all your text is at 100%, having a title wrapped in h1 AND setting font-size=250% is nuts
dexX7: fyi: there is also a <footer></footer> tag
ThickAsThieves: why is there a footer tag?
ThickAsThieves: it's just content at the bottom right?
benkay: 'cause wordpress
benkay: ;)
dexX7: much seo
ThickAsThieves: i learned html back when tables were used for everything, it gets me by
asciilifeform: i never understood what problem people have with tables
ThickAsThieves: well they are kinda a bitch to make things pretty
ThickAsThieves: but really things havent changed much
ThickAsThieves: now you can learn divs! and css!
ThickAsThieves: css will even let you push things off the page, quite useful
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nubbins`: now isn't that nicer?
benkay: wowee
benkay: looks great
nubbins`: asciilifeform: the problem with tables is that they're meant for tabular data, and using them to guide layout was always a shit-show
nubbins`: benkay: you even have a header now ;D
benkay: ugh headers
nubbins`: before you ask, i butchered the content of that article so it'd fit in a screen grab
benkay: ty nubbins`!
nubbins`: no sweat
nubbins`: image is free, html costs ;p
benkay: ofc
benkay: nevermind time expense of shoehorning it into this absurd generator
nubbins`: if you're feeling really frisky some day, you could even add a date under the article titles
nubbins`: but at that rate why not just go full web two point oh, amirite?
jcpham: dat css
benkay: but i just ripped out all the css
benkay: anyways. it'll not make your eyes bleed eventually i promise nubbins`.
jcpham: dem stylesheets bro
benkay: just no time soon.
nubbins`: not all of it ;)
nubbins`: and hey, no need to work around my schedule :D
benkay: yeah but i care about your eyes
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nubbins`: if only someone cared about those poor penguins D;
nubbins`: "So, Fred’s gone to live with the big fag-hater in the sky."
dexX7: so what's the intention with all those non-css stuff?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07298988 = 0.146 BTC [+]
dexX7: hm. fair enough.
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ozbot: Official Gmail Blog: Staying at the forefront of email security and reliability: HTTPS-only and 99.
ThickAsThieves: "Starting today, Gmail will always use an encrypted HTTPS connection when you check or send email. Gmail has supported HTTPS since the day it launched, and in 2010 we made HTTPS the default. Today's change means that no one can listen in on your messages as they go back and forth between you and Gmail’s servers—no matter if you're using public WiFi or logging in from your computer,
ThickAsThieves: phone or tablet.
ThickAsThieves: In addition, every single email message you send or receive—100% of them—is encrypted while moving internally. This ensures that your messages are safe not only when they move between you and Gmail's servers, but also as they move between Google's data centers—something we made a top priority after last summer’s revelations."
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ozbot: Your Starbucks barista is about to become your bartender | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: maybe they'll start renting beds too
ThickAsThieves: they can "partner" with Uber for cab rides home too
ThickAsThieves: such synergy!
ThickAsThieves: The App Life
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ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
nubbins`: dexX7: sort of like how some people prefer to drive around in cars with unpainted, boxy chassis
nubbins`: so as not to distract from the joy of driving
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Duffer1: dexx7 around?
dexX7: yes
Apocalyptic: <hearn> dogecoin is so cute. it's actually one of my favourite alts by this point << dat hearn
benkay: dorp horp
Apocalyptic: moreover I think he's being serious
ThickAsThieves: what chan does he speak in?
ThickAsThieves: might as well ditch #bitcoin-analysis and start lurking there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60079339 = 5.4071 BTC [-] {6}
HeySteve2: he'll talk about that but not my wallet disappearing in 0.9
benkay: what's that, HeySteve2??
HeySteve2: having a bit of a prob with upgrade
HeySteve2: it can't seem to read my datadir any more
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, you're not missing anything substantial by not lurking there
Apocalyptic: tech talk and derps
benkay: HeySteve2: are you able to read it with an old version?
ThickAsThieves: i at least like the idea of having direct access to hearn & co
HeySteve2: benkay, will try that...
benkay: HeySteve2: get in touch later - i gotta run to a client meeting.
HeySteve2: well old version sees my funds at least, but the chain isn't indexed
ThickAsThieves: yknow if you are loading into a new wallet it wont see your funds accurately til it's done syncing
HeySteve2: well it saw them the first time I ran them, and was updating from 3 weeks back
HeySteve2: then I shut it and reopened, it sees no blocks no unconfirmed
HeySteve2: at least previous version sees unconfirmed transactions, but it's 150 weeks behind
ThickAsThieves: let both fully sync
HeySteve2: well I've taken off 0.9, it's poison :P
kakobrekla: that bad eh
HeySteve2: well pretty inconvenient
ozbot: Cognitive Shareholder Proxy - YouTube
kakobrekla: reminds me of 'deathbylollipop' if anyone here even remembers that guy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1154 @ 0.0032202 = 3.7161 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: ah, i mean highlevelminer
kakobrekla: aka n0n00dz4u
mod6: lol @ n0n00dz4u
mod6 remembers
kakobrekla: apparently he OD'ed in june 2013
mod6: really?
ozbot: Shao Ling (deathbylollipop) on Twitter
mod6: last I remember he called us all nigerians and left
kakobrekla: tweets are on crack
kakobrekla: pics would agree.
mod6: dang, dude chewed his hands something awful
kakobrekla: ok, dead or in jail.
mod6: yeah mia for sure.
ozbot: Twitter / deathbylollipop: Check out http://t.co/p0d0y0PE. ...
mod6: heh 0 vids.
mod6: failure to lauch
mod6: *launch
ozbot: Deathbylollipop youtube/nightclub bitcoin campaign | Bitcointa.lk
kakobrekla: sorry i bring this up now, just so nostalgic...
kakobrekla: >>Let me know guys... no malware downloads this time :)
mod6: I looked for your IPO that you had stated was already setup, but couldn't find it. Where can I send my BTC ? << shuaddup & take my precious BTC!
kakobrekla: dunno if dude managed to open a btc wallet
nubbins`: where, indeed, can one send one's btc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9400 @ 0.00311047 = 29.2384 BTC [-] {39}
mod6: he ipo'd on ye ole global scam exchange, along with TEST
mod6: well, guess maybe it never made it out of the sandbox. still. lollerskates.
dub: obvious scammer, dude had no forehead
ThickAsThieves: The engineer was caught after the blogger emailed Microsoft to confirm the authenticity of the leaked Windows 8 code. Investigators at the firm then reportedly looked through the blogger’s hotmail account and instant messenger chats to identify the source of the leak, and found an email from Kibaklo.
mod6: WE can put direct links to your businesses in the description of said video as well as get some girls to say " [your business name here] is great!!" while dressed up in fancy clothes and out on the town. << hahaha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00361997 = 3.62 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0553005 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.018 = 0.216 BTC [-]
novusordo: no malware downloads this time?
novusordo: as in, he uploaded malware for people to download previously?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 156 @ 0.0113785 = 1.775 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00364073 = 0.1966 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01067 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3}
dub: ThickAsThieves: place I worked would routinely snoop peoples gmail/hotmail passwords and go digging for shit related to performance issues
ThickAsThieves: maybe so, but they snooped the blogger
ThickAsThieves: not an employee
dub: I bet ToS allows it
ThickAsThieves: does law?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: yup its in the tos, under 'terrorist'
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: tos = terrorist of suspicion
ozbot: Bitcoin Trading Exchange Spurns Thirsty SEC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.062 = 1.302 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: "online bitcoin trading exchange"
asciilifeform: loltron.
BingoBoingo: Still, better writeup than Bloomberg
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you coming to mp's party?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not this year
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you know, there will be generic humans there, not just guest speakers
BingoBoingo: Sure, but passports, petty spats with local authorities
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trapped in u.s. ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: might want to work on fixing this, if only for practice.
BingoBoingo: Of sorts, at least until May. I suppose I could drive to a North American border and walk if something urgent, but... This thing with the neighboring county still needs to play out
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: just got some mail :D
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what is unusual about this printer?
nubbins`: wide-format
nubbins`: can also print on optical discs!
nubbins`: we already have one of these with an all-black CIS hooked up, for printing films
nubbins`: this one will be for color prints
nubbins`: sadly, i dropped the ball and only ordered the color CIS kit today
asciilifeform: what's it for? propaganda?
ThickAsThieves: posters and proofs probly
nubbins`: all three, i suppose
nubbins`: altho silkscreen printing is a better medium for propaganda
nubbins`: we do occasionally get requests from people who want digital prints tho, and it's kind of silly to own a print shop that doesn't have a color printer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 759 @ 0.00321635 = 2.4412 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0559999 = 0.112 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.056 = 1.12 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0568992 = 0.2845 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00320566 = 0.6411 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 504 @ 0.00100608 = 0.5071 BTC [-] {5}
Namworld: Actual conversation with the irrelevant chatter filtered out. People were talking about making a leveraged trading platforms for altcoins. Advice falling on deaf ears.
Namworld: [17:06] <Namworld> I'm a noob coder. I could maybe have patched up something in a few months, pretended I knew what I was doing and lost customers funds, making tons of money meanwhile. But I'm not a self-centered, over-confident, can-never-fail asshat,
Namworld: [17:09] <Namworld> I know basic PHP and just barely touched database. I made a microapp for fun, that just tracks views and clicks and banners, for a banner exchange. Without any user interface or accounts capability. Just the script for the banners + tracking.
Namworld: [17:09] <Namworld> If I had patched up an exchange with added complexity and everything, it would probably have been a security disaster.
Namworld: [17:10] <TheMediator> Namworld, how long would it take you to get together something VERY simple so that like 10 of us could trade on it
Namworld: [17:10] <TheMediator> I can host and such
Namworld: [17:11] <Namworld> Dangerous thing, it took only a few hours to learn how to do. Making an exchange is in the reach of any moron willing to put a few days to learn how to and a month or two to code it full time.
Namworld: [17:12] <Namworld> That's why you can't trust any website that comes up with a Bitcoin service. Even if it looks nice.
Namworld: [17:12] <deup> that is why there are a bunch of exchanges
Namworld: [17:12] <Namworld> You can't audit the code.
Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> its up to you namworld. If you think you can make it happen, we can use it as a base.
Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> and expand from there
Namworld: [17:12] <TheMediator> I think we have enough experience between the regulars where we could take turns hacking the exchange until we get it fairly secure
Namworld: I probably should have pastbin'ed that
Apocalyptic: who are these guys anyway ?
Namworld: The generic BTC crowd.
Namworld: Those that are on trading IRC channels talking about their profits and loss and speculating.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00082011 = 10.4974 BTC [+]
dexX7: what do you want to trade?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-] {3}
Namworld: No, the currency trading channels
Namworld: Not about trading between users, literally the channels where they just talk about what they're doing, why they think price is headed that or that way and such.
Namworld: I'm not trading anything, I just have like 20+ IRC channels open about Bitcoin.
Apocalyptic: Namworld, you mean -pricetalk ?
Namworld: not specifically, there's like 3-4 other channels like pricetalk.
Namworld: At least for those with 30-50 users or more.
daybyter: like #cryptoforex, or so?
Namworld: or #bitcointraders or #bitcoin-analysis and etc
daybyter: so you don't trade anything, but wanna know why the price went up or down?
daybyter: maybe read goomboo's journal, or so?
daybyter: but why should you care if the price goes up or down?
Namworld: Who said I cared? I just have many BTC related channels opened at all time. On the plus side, those channels tend to be quick to link any article related to Bitcoin.
Ghaleon: if you import a wallet.dat file into bitcoind does it copy over the receiving addresses? everything that I have read says IT WILL NOT COPY over receiving addresses....
Ghaleon: opps wrong room sorry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00557881 = 0.2789 BTC [+] {2}
yeye_: gg mp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00338245 = 0.2537 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ;;later tell HeySteve2 didja fixit?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062998 = 0.126 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;echo ℳ
gribble: ℳ
benkay: wowee
phf: not quite
phf: ;;re m/./ ℳ
benkay: o hai phf
phf: hello, benkay
benkay: what brings you 'round these parts?
phf: taking in the bitcoin knowledge
bitcoinpete: benkay: pronouns co-rrected
benkay: a neat
benkay: pro-rected
benkay: e-rected!
benkay: i'll erect some pronouns.
bitcoinpete: rect-imediated
benkay: rectumfied
benkay: bitcoinpete
benkay: rectumfying pronouns
bitcoinpete: since spring 2014
benkay: so hey bitcoinpete do you know mardlin?
bitcoinpete: i don't… who is he?
benkay: another lifeboater
benkay: can't tell if actual fraternity or weird internet thing
bitcoinpete: blech, i have no idea either. regretting it now
benkay: HAW
benkay: reputational dependency management.
bitcoinpete: pretty mucho
bitcoinpete: worse than linkedin by my estimation
benkay: here's a blog post for ya: "the only dependency in your reputational toolchain should be gpg"
bitcoinpete: well, and a blog
benkay: mebbe.
benkay: bloggin's hard.
benkay: subject of
benkay: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.
benkay: ;;gettrust bitcoinpete
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never
bitcoinpete: do i need to do some small transactions to get that graph going or what?
benkay: yeah probably
benkay: borrow some btc for a week, pay it back
bitcoinpete: alrighty then. are you up for a little test run?
benkay: what rate are you offering?
bitcoinpete: what's standard for a first go?
benkay: aren't much by way of standards.
benkay: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.
benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@71-34-67-232.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b105722fb05618adf22faa71ca8054449e9a726fcc83c785305f0ff
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
ThickAsThieves: buy some ATC
ThickAsThieves: thats a good easy way
bitcoinpete: ;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete
gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD
kakobrekla: >The Company may, by written notice to any Members, suspend payment of withdrawal proceeds to such Members if the Member Manager reasonably deems it necessary to do so to comply with anti-money laundering laws and regulations applicable to the Company or any of the Company’s service providers, or due to circumstances beyond its control, including but not limited to general civil disturbance or September 11, 2001 type events.
kakobrekla: seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS"
benkay: hey i've got cum sircomstances out of your control
bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:30e40cf0a5ed0435f6d19a11c6a1f3bbc5801de1cea9cbac9de2e5a5
kakobrekla: facepalm.
gribble: You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD
artifexd: bitcoinpete I can sell you a few ATC if you want to follow ThickAsThieves' advice
bitcoinpete: thickasthieves artifexd could we do a btc loan or purchase instead? don't want another client that bad
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0033 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: nubbins`the pretty-much final version http://imgur.com/fpGdBdL
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299999 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}
Aquent: so can I buy google shares or other publicly traded companies on mpex?
Aquent: oh
kakobrekla: only amazon
kakobrekla: err i ment myspace
Aquent: lol
Mats_cd03: try looking at the site instead of asking stupid questions
Aquent: I did
Aquent: didnt explain about what shares you can buy I think
kakobrekla: did ya see S.GOOG there?
Mats_cd03: its fairly clear, there is a contract for every enterprise
Aquent: ohh sorry I was looking at the faq
Aquent: so the shares on the home page are the only traded shares?
Mats_cd03: the heading says stocks followed by tables of data
Aquent: why not put on public companies like
Mats_cd03: exercise some brain power
Mats_cd03: ok i give up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0559999 = 0.392 BTC [-]
Aquent: lol
Aquent: dude its 12:40 pm here i got no brain left
Aquent: just wondering whats so good about mpex that anyone pays 30 btc for it
kakobrekla: you should get up later
Aquent: am*
Mats_cd03: you should be required to pay .01btc to talk in this channel
kakobrekla: per word
Mats_cd03: it would help in filtering dummies
kakobrekla: Aquent you can use coinbr instead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0032999 = 0.1419 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.59567897 = 11.9136 BTC [-] {9}
ozbot: A Crypto-Sting Operation to Find Crypto-Currency - MoneyBeat - WSJ
Mats_cd03: is bitfinex a good exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 289 @ 0.00596359 = 1.7235 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00325 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it has a good rep around here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00323429 = 0.3202 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, pretty sick! i like it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00084498 = 25.5184 BTC [+] {2}
dignork: lol, "unspecified amounts of bitcoins are being moved, sometimes in fractions of a single bitcoin, into multiple accounts overseas". what do they smoke?
ThickAsThieves: was shaky on the rocky horror font, but it seems to work
ThickAsThieves: it's free thing with little planning, so not bad in that sense
ThickAsThieves: but the guys were happy with it too
ThickAsThieves: i'll connect you with music when it's ready too
nubbins`: i'm partial to that sort of font -- from the pink eye archives: http://imgur.com/Ompvb3G
LordPutin: who know what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?"
nubbins`: awesome, i'd love to hear it
mike_c: lol. do you know mymothersasshole's real name?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7814 @ 0.00084098 = 6.5714 BTC [-]
Ukyo: heh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3283 @ 0.00083917 = 2.755 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Ukyo how come you hng out still but have no updates :(
LordPutin: to make it seem like he hasn't done a runner?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.056999 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.056999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00084638 = 14.5577 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}
Ukyo: Or perhaps there are no updates?
Ukyo: Kinda hard to give what doesnt exist.
mircea_popescu: "Whenever some new and insightful piece of #bitcoin writing appears, I now automatically look for connection to @Mircea_Popescu"
mircea_popescu: twitter love, reddit hate. it's like the interwebs autobalance.
Duffer1: odd that the one facilitating less dialogue shows more love
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's more to do with ownership structure.
mircea_popescu: one's a dinky disqus-equivalent owned by conde nast. the other's a facebook-wannabe still in the cool vc phase.
Duffer1: how are you Ukyo?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00084734 = 5.7195 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.093669 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6617 @ 0.00084572 = 5.5961 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0033 = 0.132 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah, how was it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22574 @ 0.00084347 = 19.0405 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty incredible shit. so microsoft is playing nsa nao ?
mircea_popescu: no wonder the doj is claiming prism has full support from the usg-controlled corps a la google yahoo etc
mircea_popescu: whoa, gawker ? mp in gawker ? what has this world come to.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: did anyone have trouble loading trilema today ?
asciilifeform: dept of software.
asciilifeform: mp in washington post!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.057 = 0.114 BTC [+]
ozbot: SEC gets on the Bitcoin investigation bandwagon
mircea_popescu: well, i guess there's going to be a steady stream of journo people coming in here these days
mircea_popescu: be nice to the noobs.
ninjashogun: hi mircea_popescu
ninjashogun: just read this scrollback for a sec
chetty: "After giving her a verbal spanking, he did leave room for future cooperation:"
ninjashogun: hi again asciilifeform
ninjashogun: But then he said he wanted a bunch of impossible (at least in the near term) stuff before the two could talk frankly, including an SEC determination that it lacks jurisdiction over Bitcoin.
ninjashogun: is that a direct quote? Whose voice is this sentence in?
Duffer1: it's a summary of statements made in the email exchange between MP and the SEC
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Duffer1: mircea_popescudid anyone have trouble loading trilema today ? >> my cookie has disappeared is that what you're referring to?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17613 @ 0.00084139 = 14.8194 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 no, im referring to a bunch of news outlets linking it
mircea_popescu: trying to discern if any slashdot effect
Duffer1: Expires: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:49:14 PM
Duffer1: odd
mircea_popescu: since i missed the chance back when slashdot linked it
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, what do you think the end-game will be?
ninjashogun: will btc be "internet points" or will it be a currency?
ninjashogun: for the purposes of the SEC etc
Duffer1: derp i fixed it
mircea_popescu: Namworld so you're making exchanges for noobs nao?
Duffer1: it's already a currency ninja
mircea_popescu: g_forcewinds ello.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell yeye_ cheers.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
g_forcewinds: haven't used freenode before so pardon any etiquette mistakes here please
mircea_popescu: g_forcewinds you'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: so one thing is that i didn't dispute the legality of the sec's request, i asked them to establish it.
g_forcewinds: hmm seems an issue of semantics
mircea_popescu: there's an important difference here, i am in no position to dispute anything yet.
mircea_popescu: well actually, it's a fundamental issue of law which somehow seems lost on the journalistic profession
mircea_popescu: some guy wanted me how do i know i didn't break any laws.
ninjashogun: g_forcewinds, not really. Like if you say, "Hi, could you tell me what I'm being arrested for" it's not the same as saying "I'm disputing this arrets, you're detaining me unlawfully!"
mircea_popescu: that's not how laws work. i don't declare that i broke no laws, and i don't contest the authority of some random person making demands.
mircea_popescu: it works the other way around : i don't argue the negative, they make the statements that establish the positive.
g_forcewinds: so how you would characterize your email exchange with the SEC?
mircea_popescu: the sec couldn't decide if it wants to be friends or it wants to be an authority.
mircea_popescu: i indicated to them that they have to make this choice, and how to go about being friends.
g_forcewinds: indeed
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to tell them how to be authoritative, i imagine they have lawyers that can sort it out.
mircea_popescu: either way, i'm not denying or arguing or anything else. someone calls you on the phone, you ask "who is this"
g_forcewinds: but you did question their authority to ask for those documents etc and asked them to show what legal basis they h ad for doing so, yes?
mircea_popescu: that "and" doesn't work. i didn't question anything, i asked them the traditional quo warranto.
mircea_popescu: show your right.
ozbot: The reasons why Bitcoin securities can’t be regulated by the SEC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po
mircea_popescu: that aside : what makes you judge we're talking about "A bunch of impossible" ?
g_forcewinds: Thanks for clarifying your perspective Mircea. I'll be sure to reach out if I you end up in a story again. What's the best way to get in touch? FYI I work at night
asciilifeform: anyone recall the u.s. supreme court case which proclaimed that barter in grain is taxable?
mircea_popescu: this is by far the best way
asciilifeform: these buggers truly imagine themselves masters of the universe
asciilifeform: not merely of dollar
asciilifeform: and have, since '30s
ninjashogun: good night guys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a major difference there too. the grain case (and the oranges cove case which is used to teach kids about the sec) all discuss actual items of value.
g_forcewinds: my impossible i meant that it takes a long time for the SEC to make a determination like whether they are going to regulate. I could be wrong, but I think a public comment period is required
asciilifeform: or the u.s. proclamation of extraterritorial jurisdiction of any submarine not carrying a flag
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of difference between trading oranges and trading monopoly money.
asciilifeform: or of nuclear weapons
asciilifeform: (all in federal law, on the books, plain as daylight)
mircea_popescu: g_forcewinds well, yes, but they do have the help of the fed and gao already making similar determinations.
g_forcewinds: that doesnt speed up their own determination though
mircea_popescu: as far as i know this matter has been discussed in their comission already, and they're working towards a decision
mircea_popescu: well ok, but that'd have been a prime spot to crack the story you know ?
mircea_popescu: go hunt down the comissioners and ask them pointed q's about exactly this.
g_forcewinds: I'd love to chat further but at the moment I must run. I'm at work and have stories to write. Hope to chat again soon.
asciilifeform: ianal. but it would surprise me greatly if the matter is settled in such a way as for usg to tell itself to pound sand
g_forcewinds: If I see any commissioners when Im up at 3am ill be sure to ask them ;-)
mircea_popescu: what time is it there now anyway
Duffer1: 11:30
Duffer1: pm, east coast
mircea_popescu: pa, lime midnight
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, such things happen. contrary to what the general public perceives of the government, it does tell itself to go pack sand all the time.
mircea_popescu: perhaps not as often as is the case in romania, but definitely a lot more often than is the case in russia or w/e
asciilifeform: sure - people do surrender occasionally. esp. if they aren't paid enough to give a damn.
mircea_popescu: nah, not at all what i mean.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS" << yeah, it's a term of art :D
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you drew that shit ?!
mircea_popescu: LordPutin: what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?" << lol
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