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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13380 @ 0.00085113 = 11.3881 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5162 @ 0.00085205 = 4.3983 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: vintage junk: Toshiba Libretto 110 cages very well.
asciilifeform: the size of vhs tape. no radios.
asciilifeform: eats a modern ATA SSD just fine.
BingoBoingo: Ascii Well, aesthetically it isn't optimal though. FOr the libretto cage has to go outside the factory case.
asciilifeform: ebay, ~100 usd.
asciilifeform: and where does yours go?
BingoBoingo: Inside the case.
asciilifeform: that Mac... has built-in CRT? cage has a 10" hole?
BingoBoingo: Well... Hope no one is listening from 178 degrees north...
BingoBoingo: Er... 358
asciilifeform: crt can be seen, from miles away, with 1970s tech.
BingoBoingo: Well, plaintext plus IRC means you feed the honeypot things it might find actionable
asciilifeform: must feed, yes.
BingoBoingo: Regardless of totality of truth. The best defense in some cases seems unreliable narration
asciilifeform: wouldn't do to have a back row seat in the gasenwagen, i always say.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's there the CO builds up because... Seriously a wood fired modern engine... Kind of want...
BingoBoingo: I don't think there's a serious solution to the CRT problem other than to stop reading text from the front of spotlights.
asciilifeform: indium tin oxide is conductive. and transparent.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5188 @ 0.00085214 = 4.4209 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Interesting. Know it is used for capacitive touch displays, but I dunno if it could cage a batsignal of a monochome mac display.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9572 @ 0.00085312 = 8.1661 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So the email inbox suggests "Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD" might front slashdot
asciilifeform: so it is saved now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00085318 = 3.0714 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems Mircea and Theo found agreeable terms
BingoBoingo: But the story made the slashdot front page nao
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu made Slashdot front page
gribble: The operation succeeded.
KRS-: word
KRS-: To say the least.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00089611 = 0.8961 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00084945 = 9.7687 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: What can I say. I am a master at not getting flagged as spam. Well, that or having been flagged as spam enough in the past for sending honest emails I've learned some shit about Bayes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 706 @ 0.00089848 = 0.6343 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I haven't made the first page of Slashdot since Windows Vista (or was it 7) SP1 was released
asciilifeform: i was linked there twice, and it was deadly boring each time.
asciilifeform: the snakepit before 'reddit'.
KRS-: gj BingoBoingo
KRS-: I think thats awesome.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00409998 = 0.1312 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Lately if you browse at +4 or +5 it seems reddit bled a lot of the offensively stupid though some stupid remains.
asciilifeform: whether or not this is true, their symbionts (spammers, hucksters, beggars of all stripes) are still there.
asciilifeform: and the thinking people... are elsewhere.
asciilifeform: forum death is permanent.
BingoBoingo: Much like the blockchain though a place to dump text can be useful
asciilifeform: 15,772 'karma.' would sell it for a buck if i could.
ozbot: Romanian Bitcoin Billionaire saves OpenBSD | Hacker News
BingoBoingo: Thx Panakke
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They's capped maximum well under that a few years ago if my poking reported accurately.
asciilifeform: (object of shame, rather than pride!)
pankkake: I deleted mine
BingoBoingo: Oh, that.
BingoBoingo: Confused it with Slashdot
mod6: cool beans
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may have 'jumped the gun' with the bsd piece. the peanut gallery won't believe until theo admits.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course I jumped the gun. The thing is I price risk and I know Mircea's rep. When he reported it as done I count that as done enough to report.
BingoBoingo: I count on people doubting it to upon validation increase my credibility,.
BingoBoingo: It is a gamble
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00085243 = 19.4354 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: fair enough
asciilifeform: shaman and eclipse.
pankkake: since when accuracy matters
BingoBoingo: Nothing more dangerous than betting against Serena Williams Saturday, SOmething I wish I would have put much more money on.
BingoBoingo: Well, Bitcoin is a reputation economy
BingoBoingo: So... SLashdot doubts the combination of Bitcoin and Billionaire. HF doubts the label Billionaire which Paul Graham lacks.
BingoBoingo: Interesting to see community reflexes
pankkake: needs more complaining about bitcoin spam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 74 @ 0.0031072 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
mod6: haha "NSFW!!1" what a bunch of crybabies
mod6: hmm neat, just made my first twister post
mod6: anyone else try this out?
pankkake: it looks interesting but i don't even use twitter
ozbot: Twitter / diodesign: News of the weird: It's claimed ...
pankkake: https://twitter.com/dascritch/status/425144363409084416 (a romanian MILLIONaire in bitcoins saves openbsd - where are the usual open source sponsors?)
ozbot: Twitter / dascritch: Un roumain millionnaire en ...
ozbot: Twitter / computionist: HAHAHA O SHIT OPENBSD SAVED ...
benkay: i remember when slashdot brought down websites
benkay: i was but a wee bairn
thestringpuller: !ticker S.MPOE
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084311 / 0.00084815 / 0.00085401 (465070 shares, 394.45 BTC), 7D: 0.00083792 / 0.00084821 / 0.00085833 (5709843 shares, 4,843.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00086717 / 0.00092833 (26661796 shares, 23,120.36 BTC)
thestringpuller: !ticker m ^OIX
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 170.90664092 / 170.90664093 (50 shares, 0.27 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0008488 = 5.1777 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Holy mother of god, Slashdot drives so much more traffic than Reddit.
BingoBoingo: All numbers that might provide context have been removed https://unsee.cc/hotame/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00084953 = 6.7113 BTC [+]
musty: BingoBoingo: Huh?
BingoBoingo: musty: Huh? what? Which unclear part do you want to know about?
musty: BingoBoingo: None.
BingoBoingo: Where then is the confusion?
musty: BingoBoingo: You seem pepped. Coffee?
BingoBoingo: musty: Vodka
musty: BingoBoingo: Make sure to sprinkle pepper on it, in true post-Russian wartime fashion.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.0031072 = 0.2082 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: musty: Nah, I'm going full sacrilegious, mixing it with Diet Mountain Dew. For the Lulz
musty: BingoBoingo: You might find yourself in a trans-dimensional rift. Please be careful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 288 @ 0.0009029 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8269 @ 0.00084953 = 7.0248 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 795 @ 0.00046642 = 0.3708 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00090353 = 0.4518 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00046999 = 0.235 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: musty: How do you know that isn't my desired destination?
musty: BingoBoingo: You'd be a tough act to follow, and we both know how you want to be followed.
BingoBoingo: musty: You mean carefully?
musty: Go away.
BingoBoingo: So far Slashdot is driving two orders of magnitude more traffic than Paul Graham's sites
musty: BingoBoingo: Figured out why yet?
BingoBoingo: musty: Prolly because someone wants to see the Vaxen run. Also Paul Graham is kind of a quack lately (for values of lately that equal the past 15 years)
musty: I think pg's pretty clever.
musty: What is the Vaxen run?
BingoBoingo: He's not a complete idiot, but he seems to have integrated some idiot values into his operating parameters
musty: BingoBoingo: Elabroate.
BingoBoingo: musty: The Vaxen are some of the greatest architectures that ever ran.
BingoBoingo: Next to the Haskell, Smalltalk, and not the least the LISP machines.
BingoBoingo: The 80's were a crazy time.
musty: Oh, you mean VAX.
musty: Not sure that VAX and hs ought to be in the same sentence, but ta da.
euromaidan: Hello, community! Perhaps some of you have heard about the events in Ukraine ... Beg your humble assistance for people on Euromaidan. Basically, we need funds for medicines, clothing and defense. Purse, which can be sent at least 0.001 BTC (or more) - 1C8Cbq7azQWDopSsgdSuDJe8t8zSVdBqWc
BingoBoingo: euromaidan: Are you just hoping your revolution gets the same support OpenBSD did?
musty: euromaidan: Nobody cares about the Ukraine.
euromaidan: Actually yes. We collect money from various sources. This is just another opportunity.
euromaidan: I hope this is acceptable here.
euromaidan: If not - excuse me. (You can ban me) :)
BingoBoingo: Well, how much of Ukriane's wheat harvest can you guarentee for sponsors?
Duffer1: ;;gpg info euromaidan
gribble: No such user registered.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2831 @ 0.00084953 = 2.405 BTC [+]
euromaidan: forecast grain harvest in 2014 to 45,0-45,5 million tons :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40693 @ 0.00085479 = 34.784 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00535 = 0.3264 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5789898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00085944 = 6.145 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8927 @ 0.00086404 = 7.7133 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534196 = 0.5342 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: IveBeenBit: Away messages are spammy you cunt sniff
Duffer1: irc is that some kinda newfangled social media?
Duffer1: they gonna ipo soon?
musty: Lulz.
BingoBoingo: Remember when IRC was ED's whipping boy back in the day...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14305 @ 0.00086516 = 12.3761 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57899 = 1.158 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: you ever wonder about how insanely postmodern the internet has become?
herbijudlestoids: so im on twitter and i see a /. article about romanian billionaire saving openbsd
herbijudlestoids: 'who is this guy?' i ask myself after i read the thing, and end up poking around on various things looking at his blog etc
herbijudlestoids: finally after clearing all the tabs i opened one was left and it was MPex itself
herbijudlestoids: click the tab, and damn if it isnt the exact same idea that i was just grappling with last night, fully implemented, in a 0-stylesheet HTML frontent
herbijudlestoids: so while i was struggling with the idea of how do you settle contracts like "BTCUSD Jun 14" in BTC legitimately, there is someone else who has already done it and thought of everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.025 = 0.45 BTC [-] {3}
Duffer1: still plenty of room for other ideas around here
herbijudlestoids: oh sure...but the postmodernism of it all freaks me out
herbijudlestoids: constantly happening to me "oh thats a brilliant idea..." *google it* "...oh someone just got it funded on kickstarter and has code on github"
herbijudlestoids: at least on MPex i can buy some shares lol
herbijudlestoids: how about this, a periscope for your car so you can see over traffic
Duffer1: brilliant
herbijudlestoids: or collapsible skis that you screw together like a pool cue
herbijudlestoids: how about someone actually fucking commits some code to secushare
herbijudlestoids: or we fund a thousand VMs to run tor/i2p/gnunet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 38 @ 0.57985754 = 22.0346 BTC [+] {12}
angel: what about alcoholess beer
Duffer1: what kind of sick fuck would say such a thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 74 @ 0.60031485 = 44.4233 BTC [+] {10}
Duffer1: ಠ_ಠ
angel: if there exist plastic penises, why not alcoholess beer
herbijudlestoids: because beer is the product of fermentation of bacteria that produce alcohol?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6263 = 1.2526 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1023 @ 0.00540956 = 5.534 BTC [+] {14}
herbijudlestoids: see this is what i mean
herbijudlestoids: this is *exactly* what im talking about
herbijudlestoids: angel here had this idea, and my logical brain is coming up with reasons why its feasible or not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 808 @ 0.00581209 = 4.6962 BTC [+] {18}
herbijudlestoids: meanwhile he goes on kickstarter or whatever and within 6 months hes rolling in money selling "alcoholess" beer to mormons or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 392 @ 0.00597191 = 2.341 BTC [+] {9}
herbijudlestoids: i go on twitter and theres an article on wired about some geek whos gotten richer than bill gates from selling alcoholess beer
angel: well, the trickiest part is not having just the idea, but selling it :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00599999 = 0.45 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.64569194 = 3.2285 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64823 = 1.2965 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0000931 = 0.2793 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.645 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.006002 = 0.9483 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00087356 = 28.6528 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol cool.
BingoBoingo: It happens. The trick to social media and viral seems to be you just gotta beat Bayes.
mircea_popescu: i credit your recently.
herbijudlestoids: hi mircea, i was just on here a little while ago complaining about how postmodern the internet is, when i just discovered today you had fully implemented (MPex) the thing that i was thinking about doing last night lol
mircea_popescu: (i also choose to believe that the secret to both is to just not be doing it)
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you might not believe this, but you're by no means the first person in your situation
mircea_popescu: you may be the first to actually tell me it rather than try anyway
herbijudlestoids: i actually came on here in the hopes that youd come on and keep me company while i sign up so i can buy shares
mircea_popescu: (and fail more or less miserably, painfully and expensively down the road)
herbijudlestoids: i consider myself to be not retarded but the instructions are intimidating
mircea_popescu: kinda deliberately. anyway, what's the problem ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Bayes catches good grammar and style. Gotta learn from the spamzors.
herbijudlestoids: nothin, but now youre on im gonna start trying to sign up and hassle you if it fails
BingoBoingo: Then make it pretty for the eyes.
herbijudlestoids: the way i figure it, at least with this idea i can invest in it
herbijudlestoids: with my very small amount of BTC :P
mircea_popescu: lmao is this in reference to kako's phone ?
herbijudlestoids: but maybe if i like it i will convert some fiat
herbijudlestoids: i dunno who kako is
herbijudlestoids: if youwere talking to me
mircea_popescu: a ok. you stumbled on an old private joke.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you are buying securities on MPEX and justifying it on a dream I'd recommend the S.NSA. It has a savory Umami the S.MG lacks while still relying on some gamblin' to anticipate success.
herbijudlestoids: no i wanna invest in MPOE? isnt that the security for the exchange?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Indeed it is.
herbijudlestoids: i swear, i know it sounds stupid but i had tihs exact idea last night
herbijudlestoids: and even the interface with 0 stylesheet
BingoBoingo: Try Coinbr.com if you can't afford to register your own key.
mircea_popescu: he just means it lists a number of assets. and here's your "small amount" reference : http://trilema.com/2013/jesus-you-guys-are-like-snark-bullion-already/
herbijudlestoids: well shit i dont even have 0.1BTC
herbijudlestoids: guess i better buy some
herbijudlestoids: now i gotta sign up a damn account with bitstamp or mtgox or something
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you have a sharpie?
mircea_popescu: what drives teh btc price in fiats ? ppl trying to get on mpex.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol dun be an asshole
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm trying to price it
herbijudlestoids: actually the btc price is undriven
BingoBoingo: YTou have to sample the inflation
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids how'd you figure that ?
herbijudlestoids: if it was a legit economy you could arb the exchanges
mircea_popescu: people have been arbing the exchanges since 2011
BingoBoingo: It ain't 10 BTC no more and prolly lower than the 0.25 last quoted here.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahh, the lulzy days of a few years ago when people were importantly droning about how "you can't buy stuff!11"
BingoBoingo: Yeah mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Actually I think on trilema that post was almost, but not a whole year ago.
herbijudlestoids: if the price isnt within 0.01% then thats pretty poor for electronic exchanges, and anyway you can see when someone dumps liquidity dries up and the spreads go haywire
BingoBoingo: That was prolly MPOE's best PR.
herbijudlestoids: just my 2c
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Arbing BTC and Fiat has challenges that impart delays.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids contrary to what people thing, btc is very much the result of the aggregated thoughts of people. machines are abjectly voiceless.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so where's this slashdot link ?
herbijudlestoids: so, what? nobody has thought, here is some free BTC for me to pick up?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids indeed they haven't.
ozbot: Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: hahaha look, they edited it for you.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They copyeditted a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.6004042 = 32.4218 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: "That sort of an electrical bill is a crap explanation in my opinion to support the development and deployment of OpenBSD developers and users.
mircea_popescu: Poor management is more likely the explanation."
mircea_popescu: why are people always asshats ?
herbijudlestoids: i think youre awesome for doing it
BingoBoingo: Fuck, have they ever tried to power a Vaxen?
mircea_popescu: the fact that anything costs some money is a poor explanation for anything needing some money ?
herbijudlestoids: someone called you a criminal in the comments and thats why i even looked into you and ended up here
mircea_popescu: ideal management is perhaps making battleships out of old ramen and spare cat hair
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: They have been calling him that for years
mircea_popescu: like we've seen that guy on tvb.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.0008753 = 9.3219 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "I'm sure you'll fit in here just fine. Has anyone told you what happened to John Katz yet? Oh, yeah. We Don't Talk About That." um ?
herbijudlestoids: how about instead of me buying shares in MPOE you hire me to do some junk and pay me in MPOE shares?
BingoBoingo: Well, if you can make the cathair and ramen into Carbon nanotubes... Who knows. That might be a sweet battleship.
herbijudlestoids: i can do the stuffs.
mircea_popescu: did insanikatz manage to get himself into the lol-of-slashdot too, after being the lol-of-retardstalk ?
BingoBoingo: Oh shit, must be a new comment.
mircea_popescu: ask the guy. inquiring ex-billionaire, currently entrepreneurial minds wish to know
mircea_popescu: "The point is, there are no BUYERS. It will not happen. No one is going to pay $20k of REAL money for bitcoins."
mircea_popescu: o slashdot delivers :D
BingoBoingo: Well, Joel was the Rippleshill
BingoBoingo: How many weeks ago was slashdot the least lulzy news site just under Cryptome
mircea_popescu: "Te mekkora egy fasz vagy, b*meg."
mircea_popescu: if anyone speaks hungarian.
BingoBoingo: I assume they think you can.
mircea_popescu: well i can, but that was in protestation to some guy losing it.
mircea_popescu: "In other words, a Romanian gypsy stepped in. Except gypsies quite smart really and trade in actual resources, so bitcoins would be beneath gypsies.
mircea_popescu: So FreeBSD which isn't associated with malcoins per se and is used in the PS4 vs. OpenBSD which is now smeared and tainted with btc's. Hmm, let me think:"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 470 @ 0.00599114 = 2.8158 BTC [-] {2}
herbijudlestoids: its "youre a big dick in b .*"
mircea_popescu: c is for cunt!
herbijudlestoids: no that is liteally the translate from translate.google.com
BingoBoingo: Google offers the b* which is why I don't like Google's fucking bowlderized ass
mircea_popescu: lol. instead of oracle ?
BingoBoingo: I also like the part where Slashdot editors seemed to actually use the WOT.
BingoBoingo: Trusting my report because I trusted your report, because you got all those positive ratings.
BingoBoingo: Public confirmation from the OpenBSD people seemingly unnecessary.
mircea_popescu: interesting
mircea_popescu: o, they never got around to confirming it ?
BingoBoingo: Not to my knowledge.
BingoBoingo: They just edited my post to remove the second recenlty and then linked your twitter
mircea_popescu: hey, where's truffles ? i was gonna go see truffles, now that's power. except my tab did nothing
mircea_popescu: is truffles awol since i told him a few things ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: Fuck. How are we gonna finish that shess tournament
mircea_popescu: well hopefully he gets something out of it.
BingoBoingo: I got drunk and tied up a quinto BTC sweetening the pot because I auth'd
mircea_popescu: "How about we be a little more careful with twitter links, K?" "It's the right link." "Twitter is NEVER the right link"
mircea_popescu: epic hahaha
BingoBoingo: Yeah, They asked about your physical security. I referenced your harem.
BingoBoingo: Slashdot beats reddit in every way.
BingoBoingo: Reddit can't even think of criticism as lulzily stupid.
mircea_popescu: totally.
herbijudlestoids: so whats this criminal thing
herbijudlestoids: i couldnt find anything on you
herbijudlestoids: maybe im not leet enough
mircea_popescu: you know actually that's a very good point BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Some groundsloth named Jimmothy according to his profile picture.
mircea_popescu: this scenario has played out so many times before. "hello sir, I am here to kidnap you!" "aww. why kidnap me ? wouldn't you rather pick one of the naked girls ? like that one with the small tits ?" "a... okay!"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well. Back in the day I wrote school papers on troll culture and turned in bakers fluff, because class doesn't pay money.
mircea_popescu: two to six weeks later a new bodybag is discreetly added to my compost heap...
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids principally people need explanations they may accept rather than explanations that are correct.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, Imma have to scroll up. Who asked why my ground for the faraday is in the garden?
mircea_popescu: see the entire "sum of natural numbers can't add to -1/12, because all we know is partial sums and taylor series and natural integers are all positive (and not fractional)"
BingoBoingo: (It's in the garden because asparagus likes saline soil) Wears out the grounding mesh, but windowscreen is cheap.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00087615 = 9.4624 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you grow your own asparagus ?
BingoBoingo: Got a good climate for it if you rape the soil enough with the salt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC
mircea_popescu: interesting.
mircea_popescu: so the poles could all be growing asparagus commercially and nobody ever told them ?
mircea_popescu: "Mircea Popescu is very nice person, thank you for saving OpenBSD. Now, why are some a-holes here bouthmouthing one person that did something to help OpenBSD's problem?! And jumping to conclusions and all. Jesus Christ that will teach any future milionares to sponsor FOSS."
mircea_popescu: as if future millionaires got there by listening to the comment scum.
ozbot: Poland becoming more interested in asparagus
mircea_popescu: what is this, the future ?!
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids a ok then
herbijudlestoids: asparaguscoin
herbijudlestoids: i always just append coin to whatever is in my head to make sure it isnt a brilliant idea that im mising out on
mircea_popescu: i hear that's what kids do in junior high, when they first hear the word cunt
mircea_popescu: carcunt. barcunt. stoolcunt. cunstool. cuntwind. cuntetcx.
punkman: cuntwaffles
herbijudlestoids: i already thought of cuntcoin or porncoin like 3 days ago
mircea_popescu: no, that's a legitimate product.
BingoBoingo: Honestly I'm kind of interest in starting an LLC to buy some land and grow some panax ginseng
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you're so ahead of the curve :D
BingoBoingo: Nah, porncoin was last march
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo then if bottom falls out of ltc you can return 1897598568% to your investors.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: no dont you see how it works? as soon as i google it someone will have already got a project on github and $100,000 in funding from kickstarter
BingoBoingo: Cuntcoin I haven't heard of yet
herbijudlestoids: im bloody 27 days behind the curve
punkman: there's SexCoin or what it's called
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids 2.7 years but ok.
herbijudlestoids: oh shiz i misread march/month
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, the thing about panax ginseng is the scaricity is guaranteed. It is an endangered species.
BingoBoingo: Almost as good as Kidney coins
herbijudlestoids: i got a better one than that
mircea_popescu: i doubt you can be something economically useful with an endangered species in the us and not end up with a media and perhaps courthouse circus on your hands
herbijudlestoids: get some crappy land, land which is cheap because its crappy
herbijudlestoids: and then grow hemp
herbijudlestoids: in like china or iran
herbijudlestoids: where its legal
herbijudlestoids: and then make hemp bricks which absorb carbon
mircea_popescu: and other people who speak the language have all sorts of advantages over you
herbijudlestoids: and sell those carbon bricks on the carbon offsets market in europe
mircea_popescu: like already owning the local harems
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: US want's that slanty China money though. I thought I linked a trashy reality TV show on the subject here this weekend.
herbijudlestoids: well i speak the local language in iran :)
mircea_popescu: yu do ?!
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/faq_pe.html << does this read human to you ?
ozbot: MPEx FAQ.
herbijudlestoids: im iranian by nationality, living in oz
mircea_popescu: "Not only a criminal but also a attention whore, pervert and a sociopath. All the coin this criminal has are stolen one way or another."
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How do we know you aren't the resurection of TradeFortress. Imma need two corpses for you to prove this claim.
mircea_popescu: "this successful guy is all the bad things!!11 please make it stop!!1"
herbijudlestoids: i dunno even who that is
herbijudlestoids: i told you
herbijudlestoids: i came on here, by complete chance from seeing the openbsd thing on twitter
herbijudlestoids: and only because of the criminal comment and then i saw MPex was exactly what i was thinking of last inght
herbijudlestoids: so basically i came here to complain about the postmodernism of the internet and buy shares
herbijudlestoids: (because if you cant beat em join em)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You are starting good. Just read some history. Learn the past scammers and what they did. Then don't do that unless you leik dicks int he night.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: my reading/writing farsi not so good
herbijudlestoids: who translated this?
BingoBoingo: Maybe if you want to endear yourself to some people here herbijudlestoids learn you some lisp
mircea_popescu: some contractor guy
herbijudlestoids: lol at my last job our dev guy was obsessed with lisp
herbijudlestoids: he fucking rewrote the openstack client libs in lisp
herbijudlestoids: and now hes the sole maintainer of the openstack lisp client lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, the one thing one chick could do to completely take over
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: His reasons were probably good and just
mircea_popescu: would be to do a hacking lisp nude blog.
herbijudlestoids: im just a lowly ops guys
herbijudlestoids: building teh openstack cloudz
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The problem would be making it a Lisp acceptable to asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: He seems picky
mircea_popescu: from what i've seen most lisp people are tolerant folk.
herbijudlestoids: ps: does anyone need an openstack cloud? :P
herbijudlestoids: especially object storage is my forte
BingoBoingo: Well, clojure and arc et al start holy wars
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You want inbound links with great google juice?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well just because the anonderps are at each other;s throats does not necessarily imply openbsd and freebsd have free-for-all wrestling matches in the dev cubicles.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: not sure what that means? is that google fiber? here in australia we are still banging two rocks together to start fires for smoke signals
BingoBoingo: Nah, openBSD rapes FreeBSD lovingly. Seriously I know they work for different purposes.
mircea_popescu: "Wouldn't it be more practical to replace a VAX with an R-Pi or BBB?"
herbijudlestoids: i was thinking last night that if someone ported pfsense to openbsd that would be it, openbsd would take over
mircea_popescu: these ppls...
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so port it.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: pfsense was made on OpenBSD
herbijudlestoids: i looked at the code last night on github
herbijudlestoids: i thought it was ported from monowall which is freebsd?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: there is no rpi build for openbsd :(
herbijudlestoids: because according to the devs its not open enough. theyve got beagleboard port tho
herbijudlestoids: which is good
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If only these people knew I only want open BSD so I won't have to run A/UX when I replace the cooked Mac SE/30
KRS-: wow monowall.
herbijudlestoids: "The pfSense project started in 2004 as a fork of the m0n0wall project by Chris Buechler and Scott Ullrich"
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Anything Rpi can do used coldfire boards can do better
mircea_popescu: "Seriously, you people are nuts. Bitcoin was bad enough, now any half-wit with a web browser can go create "currencies".
mircea_popescu: It's going to be hilarious seeing the inevitable fall and a bunch of dumbfounded dipshits standing around saying "whu happened?!""
mircea_popescu: this will be nice for teh record later on :D
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: got a link to somewhere i can see prices?
KRS-: m0n0wall..brought back some memories for me
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Just ebay shit like everyone else does
herbijudlestoids: it was freebsd right?
herbijudlestoids: dude i live in australia! we are in the stone age
herbijudlestoids: if it costs $50 for the board ill have to pay $80 postage
BingoBoingo: Fine, in the interest of equal coverage in the fucking media https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Theo_de_Raadt#Starting_the_OpenBSD_Project
herbijudlestoids: when i search coldfire on ebay.com.au the only items are in categories: Musical Instruments, Books/Magazines, Collectables
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe don't live in the desert with the Abbos and the spiders and the Dingos?
herbijudlestoids: i live in the temperate southeast coastline
KRS-: yeah freebsd
herbijudlestoids: thats what i thought, BingoBoingo pfsense was not on openbsd!
KRS-: i was talking about m0n0wall-
herbijudlestoids: yeah and pfsense is a fork of m0n0wall
KRS-: .bait
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Wait, you are waiting for me to spin a reliable narrative?
KRS-: fapfap
BingoBoingo: That shit costs money or rep
herbijudlestoids: nah all good
mircea_popescu: lol good sauce of drama there. i had no idea bsd community is so vocal.
mircea_popescu: makes the recently failed urbit thing kinda tame by comparison
mircea_popescu: or was it urbix
KRS-: see you gnts later- BingoBoingo gj on slashdot
BingoBoingo: I thought is was Stan's Loper--
BingoBoingo: Thx KRS-
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
BingoBoingo: Ubit was like loper--, built on Unix and x86 eventually pissing stan off to no end
mircea_popescu: i didn't know loper actually exists enough to piss stan off
herbijudlestoids: well, i have to go to bed early tonight so i guess im gonna /quit. nice to meet you strange people and thanks for donating to save openbsd mircea_popescu that was a very nice thing to do
BingoBoingo: Well, stan seems to have hinted far enough back that he has sufficient tools that that some actual loper may be close enough the feeble imitations of others would anger and/or disappoint him
BingoBoingo: Fuck... As someone with log files to a site that has been target before. Slashdot totally dwarfs reddit.
mircea_popescu: "Ah, the irony of OpenBSD paying for its computers racking up a huge electricity bill using money made by computers racking up huge electricity bills."
simlay: mircea_popescu: I read that article and it brought me here.
mircea_popescu: a hello.
simlay: Mostly just out of curiosity. I have little to add.
BingoBoingo: I like how WOT can make IRC logs news
BingoBoingo: simlay: This is where the news was made
BingoBoingo: Anything you hear in any other channel is probably olds rather than new.
mircea_popescu: not like everyone needs their news instantly.
simlay: BingoBoingo: "Was made"? It's past tense?
BingoBoingo: simlay: Well... In this story yeah. If the story that got you here is the one I'm thinking of.
BingoBoingo: I prolly wrote the blog post and I totally drug ass on that.
mircea_popescu: o hey, i just realised
mircea_popescu: your blog is like what, 3 months old ?
mircea_popescu: prolly a record for a 3month old blog to be first page on everything
simlay: Seems like a good place to hangout no less.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well that last one was its 100th post
BingoBoingo: Started near the end od Spetember I think
mircea_popescu: "the asset i built on #bitcoin-assets". could be like a calendar next year.
BingoBoingo: I've actually gotten less consistent as it got older
BingoBoingo: So... anyways Slashot in the past six hours has delivered at least two orders of magnitude more traffic to the blog than Paul Graham's shit pit which is a true Ohio of tech news.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know last year around this time when BitBet was the first parimutuel betting site in BTC with an open database I had IRL friends referring to you as the bitking
BingoBoingo: I like the isolated Dogecoin post in the slashdot mic
gribble: Error: "jd" is not a valid command.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 12111 BTC profit, 36.9k BTC invested, 508.27 mio bets, 4.84 mio BTC wagered
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8098 @ 0.00087873 = 7.116 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 770 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.4938% in 4d 8h 34m 44s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4402 @ 0.00088336 = 3.8886 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.64807458 = 2.5923 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Huh, I just got 20 emails with the subject line saying "Millionaire" and the text body saying "Dumb Shit" me thinks someone has a botnet and bothered to strip my email out of my public key.
BingoBoingo: So... I just remembered Reddit was a thing and tried submitting a link only to find this http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vnmb4/romanian_bitcoin_billionaire_saves_openbsd/
punkman: nice little set of books I stumbled on: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2760
BingoBoingo: I any one wants to see how slashdot trffic works https://unsee.cc/numiwo/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's flattering
mircea_popescu: o look, habrahabr
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, most greatest thanks go to you for not scooping this.
BingoBoingo: Best, most lulzy link I've found so far http://aboutthebsds.wordpress.com/
mircea_popescu: one can't do everything
BingoBoingo: That link is for srs so lulz
BingoBoingo: I guess I can finally tomorrow night write the post I've always wanted to.
BingoBoingo: About Tillikum the great freedom fighter an imminent threat to humanity.
BingoBoingo: Maybe I'm srs, maybe I'm not. But allegedly and unreliable narrator versus Slashdot.
BingoBoingo: Still kind of surprised that made Slashdot so fast after being only confirmed here on IRC. Maybe I ought to finally finish my WOT post.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6488 = 1.9464 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So many choices. How do I pick the next one, but... Oh wait. Like literally the only activity I have mentioned myself doing is pricing risk (aka gambling). Any n00bs want to learn the art hit me up at 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 with at least one BTC and a sig that can prove you sent it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00087537 = 3.4139 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've had the IRL people refering to you as the BitKing because it helps impart a sense of scale. And helps enforce the idea that the only meaningful policy decision Obama could make would be to legalize the weed. Which would help Obama by making him less a hypocrit, but won't help Serena Williams get past Halep in the French Open.
BingoBoingo: I should have bet way more money against Serena Saturday.
BingoBoingo: At +915 I should have went 5 BTC agaist Serena trying to break the book as opposed to the 5 ten thousandths of a BTC I actually bet, but...
BingoBoingo: Pricing risk is hard.
BingoBoingo: Pricing risk is also totally not finance.
BingoBoingo: (If gambling was finance it would start allocating resources to building a more appreciative body for the remains of Halep's tits)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00087659 = 2.9804 BTC [+]
renuxes: accept Bitcoins for charity to fight cancer http://www.gofundme.com/5wb6js
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1179 @ 0.0027764 = 3.2734 BTC [-] {22}
truffles: #nocure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28062 @ 0.00087518 = 24.5593 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00087697 = 31.2201 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 222 @ 0.00082556 = 0.1833 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 344 @ 0.0008255 = 0.284 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29038 @ 0.0008737 = 25.3705 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12119 @ 0.0000916 = 1.1101 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00370131 = 0.7403 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 120 @ 0.02263437 = 2.7161 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 80 @ 0.01900173 = 1.5201 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0027 = 0.1107 BTC [-]
sub_stdio: test
RealEstate: Hi everyone any news ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.91910469 BTC to 9`577 shares, 9597 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087242 = 10.818 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00087416 = 6.731 BTC [+] {2}
RealEstate: anyone here looking to sell real estate ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10780 @ 0.00087459 = 9.4281 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1250 @ 0.0027 = 3.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0216942 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19346 @ 0.00087126 = 16.8554 BTC [-] {4}
davout: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
wao-ender: mircea saved them
truffles: he's not all dick huh
wao-ender: mircea?
wao-ender: bitcoin baron, cmon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10634 @ 0.00087459 = 9.3004 BTC [+] {3}
RealEstate: any tips?
wao-ender: RealEstate: what kind of country do you search for?
wao-ender: i'm out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 143 @ 0.69069362 = 98.7692 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00586709 = 0.8507 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.00560213 = 0.4258 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00550348 = 0.2917 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04800003 = 0.192 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1218 @ 0.0055 = 6.699 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.70777 = 1.4155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 78 @ 0.00370101 = 0.2887 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.73 = 7.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00598344 = 0.5086 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00598919 = 0.3594 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00598999 = 0.1617 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.006 = 0.342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 118 @ 0.006 = 0.708 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.006002 = 0.6002 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00606965 = 1.8209 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00609 = 0.9927 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47334 @ 0.00087044 = 41.2014 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 528 @ 0.00627632 = 3.3139 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087593 = 16.7303 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00647973 = 0.486 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0064798 = 0.1231 BTC [+]
RealEstate: RealEstateForBitcoin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00650669 = 0.3839 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0065798 = 0.3093 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12886 @ 0.00087563 = 11.2834 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 88 @ 0.00315 = 0.2772 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68001344 = 2.04 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: RealEstate sersiouly, this is how you want it to end?
truffles: haha
punkman: I'd click it but it's not even clickable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00087982 = 12.9334 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Financial Cryptography: The Shamir-Grigg-Gutmann challenge -- DJB's counterexamples
truffles: hi deadweasel
truffles: hmm why do i need a cert for this site!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00088058 = 29.4994 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02639993 = 0.3432 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: are they trolling with those security top tips bottom right
kakobrekla: or just stupid
nubbins`: this certificate was signed by an untrusted issuer
nubbins`: probably just stupid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7996 @ 0.00088065 = 7.0417 BTC [+]
jcpham: who the fuck is this mircea character?
nubbins`: "A mysterious Bitcoin-powered white knight is reported to have come to the rescue of the struggling OpenBSD Foundation."
GSpotAssassin: jcpham: he runs http://mpex.co/ apparently
GSpotAssassin: (if you were being serious)
ozbot: Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
nubbins`: the /. story made the front page
RealEstate: kakobrekla sorry i missied that, we feel BTC will be used more this year to buy real estate
kakobrekla: yeah well i feel you are spammin
jurov: ;;later tell BingoBoingo should have mentioned he was born in transylvania :DDD
gribble: The operation succeeded.
KRS1: lmao
KRS1: <paavo> Everytime I want to like doge I see someone post enthusiastically like its gonna kill bitcoin an then I quit caring
KRS1: such dreams
jcpham: NEVER HEARD OF HIM GSpotAssassin
jcpham: SOUNDS LIKE DRAMA QUEEN
RealEstate: kakobrekla sorry it my first day in here so i do not know the best way to use this please feel free to advise me
RealEstate: thank you very much i will look now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0065798 = 0.329 BTC [+]
RealEstate: thank you for the links i have read through them and bookmarked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10484 @ 0.00087731 = 9.1977 BTC [-]
KRS1: Did mircea_popescu really come to the rescue or was this an investment decision for him? In other words was it a philanthropic decision?
nubbins`: who cares?
nubbins`: openssh & pf
nubbins`: saved!
KRS1: openssh is openbsd?
KRS1: ya i guess it is isnt it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00087464 = 56.7641 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5116 @ 0.00087486 = 4.4758 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999987 = 0.5 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02619999 = 0.131 BTC [-]
pankkake: opensmtpd too, never tried it yet but it looks interesting
pankkake: interestingly, they talked about non-gnu implementations of pgp
pankkake: (on the channel later)
pankkake: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197041 they're using their own stuff… meh
ozbot: OpenBSD Moving Towards Signed Packages — Based On D. J. Bernstein Crypto - Slashdot
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00088147 = 5.1125 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: never used opensmtpd would be worth looking at i suppose..may be worth some effort with btc in mind.
pizzaman1337: S.MPOE getting some good volume today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00087941 = 4.0893 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00669963 = 1.3332 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00678652 = 3.3933 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00687179 = 3.4359 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00087941 = 7.0353 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.085001 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Donate to the OpenBSD Foundation
KRS1: ...Oh wow, I know Chris Capuccio from damn..almost 15-20 yrs ago. I was a user on dqc.org for like..ever.
KRS1: I've always used FBSD, never really had any ties with the OpenBSD community.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00649807 = 0.3249 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22899 @ 0.00087814 = 20.1085 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00379 = 0.1895 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0029287 = 0.2929 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00293999 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00681375 = 0.6473 BTC [+] {6}
ozbot: The Etherkiller
azi_: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6859 @ 0.00088014 = 6.0369 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: not bronze. that mexican recycled steel with the radioactive cobalt-60 in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00088014 = 8.1853 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.006848 = 0.2191 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 80 @ 0.003155 = 0.2524 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell truffles There are plenty of cures for particular cancers, just no blanket solution
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9791 @ 0.00088099 = 8.6258 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087979 = 8.534 BTC [-]
jcpham: more like rusty iron nail
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.006849 = 0.1233 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 394 @ 0.0038 = 1.4972 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.006848 = 0.1644 BTC [-]
mike_c: what's the word the20year? havelock ipo moving along?
the20year: I'm waiting on calls/emails from them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39270 @ 0.00088124 = 34.6063 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.006849 = 0.2192 BTC [+]
ozbot: UN climate chief: Communism is best to fight global warming | The Daily Caller
kakobrekla: maybe its just a countermeasure to the rise of the machinces
Duffer1: "democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming." at least for america, she's not wrong on that
Duffer1: "China may be the world’s top emitter of carbon dioxide and struggling with major pollution problems of their own, but the country is “doing it right” when it comes to fighting global warming" <--wow....
kakobrekla: well they cant breathe any more.
Apocalyptic: sounds like they're really doing it right then
the20year: how is china fighting global warming?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00685 = 0.3357 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.006875 = 0.2063 BTC [+]
deadweasel: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks for saving OpenBSD :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Happzz: ;;ident deadweasel
gribble: Nick 'deadweasel', with hostmask 'deadweasel!~deadwease@unaffiliated/deadweasel', is not identified.
Happzz: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently not authenticated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00088199 = 10.1429 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006849 = 0.137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00088312 = 7.3299 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7 BTC [+]
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73999999 BTC [+]
jurov: ha
jurov: ;;lasers x y
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
pankkake: ;;rm
gribble: Error: "rm" is not a valid command.
pankkake: what are the x y?
pankkake: ;;exit
gribble: Error: "exit" is not a valid command.
jurov: just tried if lasers accepts parameters (or coordinates)
jurov: ;;cd
gribble: Error: "cd" is not a valid command.
jurov: ;;rot13
gribble: (rot13 <text>) -- Rotates <text> 13 characters to the right in the alphabet. Rot13 is commonly used for text that simply needs to be hidden from inadvertent reading by roaming eyes, since it's easily reversible.
jurov: ;;tell .bait
gribble: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48917 @ 0.00088323 = 43.205 BTC [+] {6}
jurov: they preannounced the delivery announcement
jurov: will be interesting if they or nsa ship first
ozbot: TREZOR The Bitcoin Safe - news
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999988 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Duffer1: s.nsa going for hardware wallets too?
jurov: not now
pankkake: ;;rot13 nznmvat
gribble: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
jurov: but i can see them got swayed eventually
jurov: *get
benkay: wow cheers pankkake
asciilifeform: Duffer1: who said anything about s.nsa hardware wallets?
jurov: asciilifeform: vox populi
asciilifeform: i mean, i'm not opposed to the idea in principle, but this isn't what we're currently making
asciilifeform: in case anyone was confused.
Duffer1: nah i was just wondering if there were plans
jurov: if the hardware won't be too esoteric, maybe somebody else will add ecdsa signing
KRS1: ;;lasers;`ps -ef`
gribble: Error: "lasers;`ps" is not a valid command.
jurov: but one-time bitcoin addresses... uhm erm...
asciilifeform: jurov: hardware is entirely reasonable, gcc targets it. you can add chess if you like.
pankkake: oh… so you can update the firmware
asciilifeform: pankkake: with an inexpensive tool, yes.
pankkake: maybe I'll buy one after all
pankkake: never did any embedded work, that might be an opportunity
asciilifeform: i never really understood the appeal of 'hardware wallet.' maybe someone would care to explain it to me
Hasbro: the faq is hilarious
nubbins`: now you can take btc on the road!
nubbins`: you couldn't before, or something
jurov: just a gizmo that's much more difficult to extract privkeys from than from computer
asciilifeform: but 'more convenient' than cold wallet. seems to me like this encourages a state of perdition.
pankkake: same appeal as a hardware pgp?
asciilifeform: pgp priv. key is: long; and used rather frequently
asciilifeform: btc priv. key is: compact, and (can be) used rarely
pankkake: hm, true, you don't use your cold wallet often
asciilifeform: so 'hardware wallet' is 'lukewarm'
mike_c: that seems attractive to me. i can keep more money in a lukewarm wallet instead of a hot one.
nubbins`: i dunno, i think you're fucked if you're trusting a trezor as a cold wallet
the20year: whats your opinion of electrum as a cold wallet nubbins?
the20year: Say on a pi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00088593 = 17.63 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: suppose your pi stops working?
nubbins`: SD cards fail all the time
mike_c: nubbins`: yes, but wouldn't you like to replace your hot wallet with a snsa wallet?
nubbins`: i would not like to replace my hot wallet with something that doesn't exist, no
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.06244962 = 0.1249 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: TBH if your sole copy of your wallet is on any piece of hardware, you deserve what happens
mike_c: i would totally buy the snsa wallet pack with a device for cold storage and a device for lukewarm storage.
mike_c: i just said totally. shoot me please.
ozbot: DYMO | Metal Tapes
the20year: What do you use as cold storage nubbins?
the20year: Metal embossed tape, as an alternative to paper?
nubbins`: paper is fine too, as long as you use the proper types
the20year: the metal would be pretty cool
nubbins`: well you can buy those embossed label makers anywhere
the20year: be much more interesting if you could emboss on a piece of metal a QR code for the storage
nubbins`: and if you're too cheap to buy metal tape, cut up a can of pepsi
the20year: Well, if you could use something like furnace tape, that'd be quite affordable
nubbins`: i'm less concerned with interesting :D
nubbins`: i don't think furnace tape can emboss, not sure tho
the20year: it's usually aluminum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00088485 = 8.583 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: anyway, electronic storage is fine
nubbins`: just have backups in a couple places.
nubbins`: it's not like a little strip of aluminum kicking around somewhere is without risk
nubbins`: realistically, a brainwallet is one of the better choices, provided you can construct one that doesn't suck
kakobrekla: the password is: this one blows.
kakobrekla: bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/#b117
kakobrekla: moar whale
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
mike_c: bitbet is going to make 20btc on this one bet. wow.
kakobrekla: wow much doge!
pankkake: oh you can permalink bets, cool
kakobrekla: yeah, thats new.
mike_c: happy birthday to bitbet. 1 year old, here's 20btc!
kakobrekla: o yeah right
kakobrekla: must be around 1 year
mike_c: congrats on that btw.
kakobrekla: contract sez
kakobrekla: Listed on : January 5, 2013
kakobrekla: Trading since : January 11, 2013
kakobrekla: thanks :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.04999997 = 3 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 237 @ 0.00684906 = 1.6232 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: anniversaries!
nubbins`: yah, congrats
kakobrekla: ;;cake
gribble: Error: "cake" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.006848 = 0.4862 BTC [-]
nubbins`: it's been almost a year since i stopped working in a cubicle
kakobrekla: ;;caek
gribble: Error: "caek" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: well then, you will have to live with
kakobrekla: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
nubbins`: i can use these to light the candles
kakobrekla: and make a stunning visual effects
nubbins`: and excite the cat
kakobrekla: fry the eyes
KRS1: the cake is a lie
kakobrekla: lasers is a lie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39713 @ 0.00088769 = 35.2528 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: fry the cat
nubbins`: ASICMINER
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00641017 = 3.2051 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 300 @ 0.00370078 = 1.1102 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00090531 = 34.0397 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.0029 = 0.2755 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.725 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.729 = 1.458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00684978 = 0.226 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00275445 = 0.1377 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00686312 = 0.6794 BTC [+] {4}
ozbot: Germany Has Recovered A Paltry 5 Tons Of Gold From The NY Fed After One Year | Zero Hedge
jurov: just barely better than bitfunder
pankkake: hehehe, my exact thoughts
pankkake: and you don't know where those coins, or gold bars are actually from
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4273 @ 0.00090989 = 3.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00083211 = 0.8321 BTC [-] {8}
deadweasel: oh yeah! one of bitbet, that's awesome! congrat kakobrekla
kakobrekla: ty, goes to mp as well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18667 @ 0.00090816 = 16.9526 BTC [-] {3}
deadweasel: yeah, he gets props for saving open bsd today.
deadweasel: bitbet too! :D
deadweasel: i actually wondered that when i read teh openbsd plea.. and then boom, it was done.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00009034 = 0.4517 BTC [-] {5}
deadweasel: amazing company!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
truffles: would u have done something similiar?
deadweasel: I'm happy to have donated so much btc to mpex in my learning days.
deadweasel: truffles: am I billionare? no. I am philantrhopic other ways.
truffles: 20k isnt much for thousandaire
truffles: unless its under 500k ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.0027177 = 0.3587 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0027177 = 0.1359 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12824 @ 0.00091535 = 11.7384 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10834 @ 0.00091986 = 9.9658 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 281584 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 655 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2156780826.35 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.52105
nubbins`: that should push it over 2B, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.0027177 = 0.2854 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.0027002 = 0.6805 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Next Difficulty Estimate: 2156780826.35
kakobrekla: so yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 504 @ 0.0027002 = 1.3609 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 389 @ 0.00269131 = 1.0469 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00098563 = 16.6079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18239 @ 0.00098748 = 18.0106 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.67000004 = 6.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9473 @ 0.0009999 = 9.4721 BTC [+]
autotradefan: What do you think about AUTOTRADE on cryptostocks?
autotradefan: ponzi??
deadweasel: it's unlikely you will make money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08999999 = 0.18 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: The dogecoin subreddit raised $30,000 for the Jamaican bobsled team to go to the Olympics. : bestof
kakobrekla: at least they didnt support fbsd or something.
truffles: such humanity out there
KRS1: much love
mircea_popescu: deadweasel lol yw.
mircea_popescu: so openbsd went from being in the red to 100k overnight huh. cool beans.
KRS1: Many thanks mircea_popescu, much appreciated. =]
mircea_popescu: i didn't do nuttin
KRS1: nvm then lol
mircea_popescu: it's all the other copycats
mircea_popescu: google et co.
KRS1: i dont know the details ok
KRS1: ill check now
KRS1: i didnt know Rev. Chris Capuccio was a big contributor. I was a customer of his 15-20 yrs ago for a while.
mircea_popescu: turns out openbsd really is quite popular in all the places that aren't social media.
KRS1: Chris helped me get on board with openssh very early on and I haven't looked back since.
KRS1: At the time I was still using SunOS.
mircea_popescu: is sunos still being maintained ?
benkay: "we won't be one-upped by some no-brand bitcoiner!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00099321 = 11.124 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: whoa making the billion happen huh
benkay: wow mpoe rallying hard
mircea_popescu: i like all the "no way there is a bitcoin billionaire, brb let me push the stock up"
KRS1: haha thats awesome
benkay: all the 'analysts': 'well mp notionally has some nK BTC' and conveniently disregard mpoe holdings
benkay: s/conveniently disregard/have no idea 'cause derp
KRS1: I think sunOS got brought in by some open sourcers who stripped the licensed shit.
KRS1: such little support for it made it crapware imo
mircea_popescu: the way internet analysticing works is like this : the sun rises. up until noon, hail of posts explaining how it's the moon, the aliens, the weather baloons
mircea_popescu: after noon, hail of post explaining how the author has been always [or at least past six hours] saying the sun was always there and it won't ever set, either.
pankkake: accounting for shares probably bothers some as most of theirs are crap/scams/lost
mircea_popescu: that may be a point, i suppose a good chunk of people hanging on past the three month noob expiration date do so strictly on the basis of insulating their thinking and their memory.
pankkake: but that would be fun to have stats like the forbes top100… I bet you'd see a lot of ups and downs
mircea_popescu: well mike_c seems to be doing some of that.
mircea_popescu: the glbse & successors numbers were pretty fabulous, back in the day someone still thought it's funny
pankkake: it's not focused on people's holdings
mircea_popescu: "A lot of people on the Bitcointalk forums have made educated guesses, the fact is he still works on his business and charges for subscription to his blog, I doubt he has amassed the largest stash of Bitcoins in the world."
pankkake: rags-to-riches-to-rags
mircea_popescu: gotta like people.
benkay: mircea_popescu u don't work
pankkake: yes, bill gates probably isn't a billionnaire
mircea_popescu: there should be a special department of ibiza, aruba and whatever, attached to the irs.
decimation: re:sunos see the openindiana project http://openindiana.org
mircea_popescu: if your tax return exceed the official "has made it figure", they send you your moving papers.
mircea_popescu: benkay yes, but I CHARGE, which is almost as bad.
mircea_popescu: decimation aha ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05300001 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: OpenIndinia is the open source fork of Solaris, but Solaris is still maintained by Oracle, as closed source
decimation: there are excellent quotes in there
benkay: then transcribe them
benkay: videos have the worst s/n ratio on the internet
benkay: well reddit may be worse
decimation: "it is a mistake to anthropromorphize larry ellison"
mircea_popescu: o wait, sunos IS solaris isn't it
mircea_popescu: they just rebranded it some time ago
pankkake: decimation: lol
benkay: wow whole table is lolling, decimation
benkay: oh god it's an hour long
benkay: keep the quotes coming!
KRS1: mircea_popescu- yes solaris
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.0498 = 0.498 BTC [-] {6}
KRS1: even though it was rebranded login still looked like:
KRS1: SunOS [ver]
KRS1: Login:
KRS1: Sun's CDE looked like something from Fisher Price
mircea_popescu: i suppose since everyone linked my twitter i should fish out a password for that account huh
pankkake: a bit like altcoins, they often miss Bitcoins to rename
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.04137842 = 0.3724 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: The upshot of the video is that the smart kernel developers working for Sun spent years arranging to open source the entire codebase
decimation: when Oracle bought them, Larry promptly closed everything. The stuff that had already been open (under the Sun Community License) remained in the open.
decimation: The "illumos" project picked it up and made it work, "openindiana" is a distribution based on that
decimation: I guess if you want a working implementation of zfs, that's what you need to use
Diablo-D3: yeah but the problem is
Diablo-D3: no open source impl of zfs
Diablo-D3: does encryption yet
Diablo-D3: decimation: and you're also still wrong
KRS1: imp the fruits of the open source efforts was derpy
Diablo-D3: the zfs on linux project uses the same source code as illumos
Diablo-D3: they all joined together to fork zfs away from oracle, since oracle is making changes just to be incompatible not to be useful
decimation: Redhat has released 'btrfs' in its 7.0 beta release
decimation: I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
Diablo-D3: I use btrfs
Diablo-D3: I actually switched to btrfs from zfs
Diablo-D3: for small arrays its fine
decimation: I guess. I'm not sure it's ready for production
pankkake: I like btrfs' smart compression system; if the file doesn't look compressible it stops trying
Diablo-D3: it is, it just depends entirely what features you need
Diablo-D3: pankkake: which is stupid because lz4 already does that
decimation: at 35:15 "What you think of Oracle is even 'truer' than you think it is."
Diablo-D3: and zfs has had lz4 for ages
pankkake: well lz4 wasn't an option when it was introduced
Diablo-D3: pankkake: it STILL doesnt have lz4
Diablo-D3: which pisses me off
Diablo-D3: lz4 is faster than btrfs + early fail
Diablo-D3: no matter if you use gzip or lzo
pankkake: oh right, patches exists but not merged or something
Diablo-D3: yeah
Diablo-D3: btrfs also lacks built in ssd caching support
Diablo-D3: ie, no zil or l2arc
Diablo-D3: it also doesnt support high complexity arrays
Diablo-D3: problem is
Diablo-D3: you cant boot ZoL on debian yet
decimation: "There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle."
pankkake: I guess you can use bcache with it
Diablo-D3: decimation: false. the roman empire.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: yes, and I can also use mdcrypt, but thats fucktarded
mircea_popescu: this log will be useful the next time the clueless start-up ceo knowitall starts namedropping tech stuff.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: the whole point of using zfs is that this stuff is built in the correct way
pankkake: yeah
Diablo-D3: I wish ZoL would add encryption
Diablo-D3: even if its not compatible with oracle's impl
pankkake: it's not on freebsd either right?
Diablo-D3: because I simply dont give a fuck about oracle's impl, its no longer compatible with zfs
Diablo-D3: zfs is more than just code, its a standardization
Diablo-D3: oracle refuses to add to the spec their changes
Diablo-D3: so they've been locked out of zfs development
Diablo-D3: morons
Diablo-D3: pankkake: fbsd uses the same zfs code as everyone else
decimation: "Larry Ellison has been involved with two philanthropic organizations: first he made a 500 or 300 million dollar donation to Stanford. Oh, that sounds good. ... in exchange for not admitting wrongdoing in an options backdating scandal"
pankkake: eh… I wonder which is the most popular zfs OS now
Diablo-D3: pankkake: most likely linux
Diablo-D3: most solaris shops are dying out and switching to linux
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: "and then, all other philanthropic work is to Larry Ellison's Institute for the Prolonging Of Life ... namely his"
pankkake: even when freebsd offers more "official" support?
Diablo-D3: fbsd isnt any more official
Diablo-D3: its the same code base.
Diablo-D3: its maintained by that zfs organization Im forgetting the name of
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00099321 = 7.6477 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: the one that was jointly started by ZoL, fbsd zfs, and illumos
pankkake: so not so much duplicated work
Diablo-D3: exactly, and also for compatibility
Diablo-D3: only solaris is no longer compatible with zfs
decimation: Diablo, is there a relationship between those people and the btrfs people?
pankkake: haha
Diablo-D3: which is ironic seeing as zfs started on solaris
Diablo-D3: decimation: no.
Diablo-D3: decimation: btrfs was started by oracle to kill zfs
Diablo-D3: but then oracle bought sun
Diablo-D3: and tried to merge the btrfs and zfs teams
pankkake: "sun had a political model like somalia"
Diablo-D3: and failed
Diablo-D3: oracle has an internal solaris version that can natively boot btrfs and supports all the solarisy zfs shit on btrfs
Diablo-D3: like, solaris containers running on a btrfs snapshot, etc
Diablo-D3: and can live convert low complexity zfs (ie, no features btrfs doesnt support) pools to btrfs
Diablo-D3: they never released it to public
Diablo-D3: and all their btrfs people left to other companies
decimation: I donno. I think the Google model has shown that's it's probably better to run many dedicated servers and do your file redundancy/synchronization at the application layer.
benkay: decimation: what's the timestamp for the options-backdating thinger?
decimation: around 37:32
benkay: mircea_popescu decimation: can either of you help me source the donation to stanford claim?
mircea_popescu: what part ? that he donated some dough to stanford ?
benkay: nevermind.
decimation: according to his wikipedia page it appears it was part of a settlement of some kind
benkay: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: corruption is what people without access to the levers of power call access to the lever of powers
benkay: levers* power*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00099321 = 15.0471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00099327 = 33.8705 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: speaking of the ruination that fiat finance brings to everything, here's Philip Greenspun on prices back in in the 1890's
mircea_popescu: a point not nearly made often enough.
ozbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Prices back in the old days
decimation: ?In 1890, professors salaries [at Amherst College] were $ 2,500, more than twenty times tuition. The step up from laborer to professor was immense, for the average wage earner in 1890 earned $425 a year. ?
mircea_popescu: yes. obvious stuff like "the us was made great BY inequality and was rendered pitiful BY equality"
decimation: Hugh Hendry has made the point that China is screwed because its industrialization is taking place under a fiat regime, wheras the US was industrialized under a more-or-less gold standard
decimation: His thesis is that this has led to massive overproduction by China to game the large aggregate economic figures
mircea_popescu: there is definitely some truth to that
mircea_popescu: and perhaps merit to the fiat corruption theory.
mircea_popescu: ie, you can never get rich under a fiat system, all you can do is become poor. it's at least the consensus of pre-fiat economists everywhere.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67000041 = 3.35 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: a little from the lulz department :
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: five minutes ago i didn't even know that site existed. oh internets.
pankkake: but don't worry, you also just made a friend http://pastebin.com/0nuK25es
decimation: LoL. Would you consider yourself to be libertarian, Mircea?
pankkake: https://linuxfr.org/users/thom/journaux/nourrir-les-vaches-openbsd-a-recu-des-fonds was mostly about how bitcoin isn't money and how it's bad to make money with money
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd depend. i'm not a us citizen, so perhaps is like asking me if i'm a christian democrat
mircea_popescu: pankkake so logically, if bitcoin isn't money and it's bad to make money with money, then bitcoin is good ?
pankkake: that wasn't in the same argument, but well
decimation: Yeah. In the US, "libertarian" means "someone who doesn't vote for either Democrats or Republicans."
mircea_popescu: well that'd be me then, i never voted.
mircea_popescu: pankkake i kinda liked the guy with the "funny how openbsd elec bill is paid by the result of bitcoin mining"
pankkake: hehe yeah
decimation: It's probably only a matter of time until US citizenship is bestowed upon everyone who is a citizen of the "international community"
mircea_popescu: that matter of time will have to wait for after i'm dead.
decimation: probably.
KRS1: lol <nostrich> ppl saying their wallets are empty on cryptsy now omg
decimation: it would be hilarious if people are stealing dogecoin
pankkake: I think it happened already
mircea_popescu: wait cryptsy is still a thing ?!
KRS1: yes, it is still shit.
pankkake: why wouldn't it, they have billions of altcoins there
pankkake: as long as altcoins will be a thing…
ozbot: Dogecoin Hacker Makes Off With $13,000
KRS1: thats like stealing pennis..why not take the good stuff.
KRS1: pennies
dub: stealing wat
Duffer1: hehe
quellhorst: i'm sorry your pennis got stolen :(
mircea_popescu: wait 13k dogecoins are worth something ?
mircea_popescu: what's the rate, anyone know offhand ?
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin Nxt MasterCoin DogeCoin N
KRS1: enough shit it becomes maneur..enough maneur becomes fertilizer...someone will pay for a lot of crap.
quellhorst: doge sure is growing fast
Duffer1: 185 satoshi
quellhorst: 100% in the past 7 days
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418450.0 Bitcoin 44%, Dogecoin 28%, Litecoin a measly 14%
KRS1: cant wait to hear stories of the bagholders
ozbot: [Research Study] Your First Crypto Coin
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0015* 13000
gribble: 19.5
mircea_popescu: so someone stole... twenny bux ?!
pankkake: article mentions $13,000
pankkake: so, in USD
quellhorst: i have my doubts
mircea_popescu: but wait
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13000 / 0.0015
gribble: 8666666.66667
mircea_popescu: someone stole all the dogecoin ?
quellhorst: yeah like 9 million dog coins
mircea_popescu: it couldn't have possibly mined 8mn in the 6 weeks it was alive
mircea_popescu: does it do like 1k blocks or something ?
quellhorst: there are 32 billion dog coins
quellhorst: mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: so really, the correct figure is more like 0.0000015
quellhorst: As of January 13, 2014, 28% of the 100 billion total dogecoins have been mined
mircea_popescu: looky, there's 80 altchains onthat page.
pankkake: and theres at least 3× more active
mircea_popescu: pankkake how many of those are due to your evil ?
pankkake: just one, but people are still mining it
mircea_popescu: wait. the claim is that doge mkt cap > 2x ltc mkt cap ?
mircea_popescu: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: in what alternative universe lmao
mircea_popescu: um am i reading it wrong ?
mircea_popescu: o o yeah i was looking at volume nm
ozbot: Golden parachute for fired Yahoo executive may be record breaker - Jan. 17, 2014
pankkake: bernankoin claims it though, since there has been one transaction at 1BEK=1USD
mircea_popescu: lol 2bn worth of ripples. okay, that's even funnier.
quellhorst: yahoo should have sold to microsoft :(
quellhorst: fucking idiots
mircea_popescu: wow they firede her ?!
quellhorst: lol, no
quellhorst: they fired someone she hired
quellhorst: eventually people will figure she is also the wrong person for the job
mircea_popescu: so who does she even hire
mircea_popescu: i don't know there's any coo willing to work at yahoo, unless you end up taking twitter experts or something
knotwork: I think I might finally have a usable idea for something to float as an asset.
mircea_popescu: blow us away.
decimation: I wonder how many people automatically invest in Yahoo every week by virtue of their listing on the S&P 500
knotwork: For half a million Canadian or less I can get an ex military base with full backup power and surveillance and electric alarms fence and keypad operated gates and 60ft or so sattelite dish (the kind inside a geodesic dome with tracking engines etc to track a satelite)
benkay: (or less!)
knotwork: four crew quarters for live in crew, full raised floors etc etc for all computer rooms, and on and on like that
knotwork: Or less, yes. I was supposed to sell for 500k CAD but financing of the buyer fell through
asciilifeform: knotwork: why so cheap? arctic circle?
decimation: sounds like an ideal evil lair
quellhorst: mircea_popescu: you sell the damn company
knotwork: Near Wentworth in Nova Scotia, ex NATO site
quellhorst: she doesn't hire anyone
quellhorst: but of course she won't do that, she thinks she can make a better google
knotwork: Only 4.5 acres not like an army base wit barracks
quellhorst: she basically got demoted at google before the yahoo job
mircea_popescu: decimation the acid drip
knotwork: It does sound like an idea evil lair thats why I thought it might be worth looking into going in with some people to get it
asciilifeform: these are sometimes sold in the u.s., but are typically gutted when put on the market.
asciilifeform: nothing in the old missile shafts really works correctly
decimation: It might be an old Nike site
knotwork: this is not gutted, the generators all work the survellance all works the gates etc etc
mircea_popescu: knotwork well yes but have you ever run a dc before ?
knotwork: I thought the bitcoins in sapce project could maybe transmit to its sattelite from there for example
the20year1: knotwork: where in canada? How much land?
knotwork: I ran an ISP here in Halifax
the20year1: guess if i would have read through i could of found my answers
knotwork: Its the sattelite dish and the huge ackaup power room with all the knobs and dials and such i am not so sure how to operate
mircea_popescu: well turn them all one at a time :D
knotwork: I was thinmking it could offer hosting for miners for example as one use for it. I'd want to put solar panels all over it and windmills its in mountainous area (there is ski-ing up in that part of Nova Scotia thought not year-round at least not with natural snow) so should be good for wind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [+]
knotwork: So I figured one would want to spend at least as much fillign it with miners or whatever as one spends on buying the facility itself
knotwork: owner is eager to sell but I dont know how low one could talk them down too, plus who knows someone else mgiht put in an offer though it sounds like no one has yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6700004 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00684269 = 0.2806 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: or if they have maybe its too lowball
mircea_popescu: o, it's not like a state auction ?
knotwork: Presumably not an auction no. It cost 8million to build in 1983 so maybe it was auctioned and the buyer who bid the half mill financing fell through
knotwork: mircea I can give you confidentially the full brochure URLs but I dont want to give that to snipers they might have gleaned enough info already to snipe it
the20year1: sounds fun
the20year1: although i don't know how you could cashflow or make money off it
knotwork: Personally half a mill is too large a percent of my wealth to want to blow it all on one investment especially since I except bitcoins will appreciate faster than it will
the20year1: I'd rather continue to buy mid-ohio dumps
mircea_popescu: well they're not useful to me, i don't much care for real estate and i know nothing at all of that market.
mircea_popescu: maybe one of the miners/pools/asic producers is looking for space.
knotwork: see someone found the site already yes the folly lake site is for sale
the20year1: i've got a backup bid on a nice property here that was at auction Saturday - 2br 1ba , two, two car garages, $16k
knotwork: oh it says the dish is 45 ft the seller must have meant the geodesic it is in is the 60 ft
knotwork: the whole main building is mil spec radio-shielded
knotwork: there must be some radical bitcoin miners who will like the idea of hosting in an EMP-hardended datacente
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0068 = 0.68 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mining via satellite uplink is hella expensive.
benkay: most are more interested in profit margins than emotional siting
knotwork: the sattelite dish is a conundrum what to do with, yes. Maybe just sell that off and use the geodesic for something else
benkay: .bait
knotwork: unless bitcoins in space could find use for it
benkay: .bait
Duffer1: why would you sell the dish that's the best part
nubbins`: where's wentworth located in NS?
Duffer1: it's not a supervillain layer without it
decimation: probably because it's broken
knotwork: well maybe we can hack sattelites with the disk
knotwork: dish
asciilifeform: btc over shortwave!
decimation: actually btc might work on shortwave
asciilifeform: good place for the transmitter?
nubbins`: knotwork, any environmental damage? chem/oil spills etc?
nubbins`: old military bases sometimes leave messes
asciilifeform: you don't need a princely mil-sup estate for a radio station, though.
knotwork: the external diesel fuel tanks were removed either to prevent env damage or maybe because they saw it coming if they were left to rot wihle the building was not in use
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6710102 = 1.342 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21290 @ 0.00099302 = 21.1414 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: sounds like a few hundred $ in cleanup costs alone
decimation: hundred thousand $ I mean
asciilifeform: does it come with the legal permit to hang around in canada?
asciilifeform: or is that sold separately
knotwork: Yeah but a princely mil-spec estate is a nice thing for any bitcoin millionaire to have, its just I am not quite ready to buy it all by myself yet.
knotwork: maybe next month when bitcoins are $2000+ if its still available I might go for it alone
asciilifeform: knotwork: but why would he put it in a '5 eye' country?
asciilifeform: 'pentagram of evil'
benkay: 5 eye?
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 938 @ 0.00166612 = 1.5628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25024 @ 0.00099279 = 24.8436 BTC [-]
knotwork: I live in a 5 eye country and am a citzen of another (a Brit living in Canada)
asciilifeform: 'UKUSA treaty'
nubbins`: benkay: usa, canada, uk, australia, uh...
nubbins`: new zealand?
nubbins`: essentially the Cabal of Whitey
knotwork: yeah I am white too
mircea_popescu: i tell you tho, real estate is a professional line, like any other.
mircea_popescu: running a dc is a technical line, also.
mircea_popescu: you don't just start doing either.
the20year1: you guys should buy some rentals in Ohio
the20year1: the ultimate real estate experience
knotwork: Running a DC is something I can do, its just an ISP writ large
nubbins`: i've already got enough experience to keep me busy without owning something in another country ;p
mircea_popescu: i mean all through late 2000s average folk figured they're in real estate, "honey the house made more than i did this week",
mircea_popescu: but it didn't overall end wel lfor them.
KRS1: 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait for Papa John's pizza delivery wtf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00099376 = 10.037 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: knotwork then perhaps the right move is to partner with a bank, take a loan at a decent rate if possible, pad your costs and buy extra miners.
mircea_popescu: KRS1 this is the time of day the delivery boys are fucking the pizzaiolo gals.
knotwork: Yeah maybe the best way is to figure princely estates are not intended to be investments, so go for a mortgage instead of making it an investment corp of any type
mircea_popescu: right in the dough!
knotwork: no bank will give me a mortgage, they dont count bitcoins as collateral
mircea_popescu: knotwork if you wish to run the dc then you definitely want to bring a real estate/finance type on your team.
mircea_popescu: but the purchase itself can be collateralized.
knotwork: I could lock up 500+ bitcoins as collateral
KRS1: mircea_popescu: i live in south florida, where many consider ground zero for the banking/real estate fuck. I can tell you some horror stories. One scenario I like is the guy who makes $35K a year who bought a $350K house who now lives in a slum apartment with ruined credit.
knotwork: 600+
knotwork: whatever
mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of such deals then you must have the credit and connections already which'd allow you to pick up a mil or two on something under 5% a year on the basis of you putting up a quarter of the cost or less in cash.
knotwork: I just dont want to spend 500 to 600 bitcoins this soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00098889 = 25.4145 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: at the risk of opening the door to the cold wind of reality: what's the business model?
nubbins`: brrr, just got a chill
nubbins`: did someone just open a door?
asciilifeform: build a data house where you're stuck with $1/MB dish for isp?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00099397 = 51.587 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: KRS1 i can top that : all through the late 2000s, a coupla banks here sold suckers house loans denominated in swiss francs, on the premise they were ~1% cheaper interest. this, after fees and all, amounted to maybe 500 bucks saved.
mircea_popescu: then the franc went up 2x.
knotwork: well the model that is causing me to not want to spend that many bitcoins this soon is I expect half a mill worth of today bitcoins to be five mill quite soon, likely sooner than many folk expect
asciilifeform: what goes in #2, in the canonical 2) ??? 3) profit!
mircea_popescu: knotwork if that's the entire plan you seem better off laying out some btc on the 10k bet than buying ex-military facilities.
nubbins`: heh, ^
knotwork: right now I am making more just doing stupid filling of orderbooks with lowballs buy offers and highball sell offers than anything else I have been doing
knotwork: what 10k bet?
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
KRS1: I truely believe in Dariwnism at work in finance.
decimation: knotwork, it's hard to imagine any business model denominated in fiat that will beat your "model"
decimation: if bitcoin is still on an upward climb, than it's probably better to hold
knotwork: I am not convinced the place will still be available by the time that bet is settled
decimation: that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment
knotwork: I want the place when I have more bitcoins than I have right now but by then it might not still be available, basically
mircea_popescu: so who cares, basically ?
mircea_popescu: by the time you have more bitcoin you can buy a larger place
decimation: what if divest a few hundred btc and now have an ex-military dump?
mircea_popescu: does it have to be this one ?
knotwork: <decimation> that's exactly the kind of reason not to get into an investment --> that is why my thinking changed since arriving here from get investors to its a princely estate not an investment I just dont want to let go that many bitcoins this soon
asciilifeform: buy a submarine instead.
decimation: so you are looking for greater fools then
KRS1: I dont mind if a pizza guy has to get laid, as long as its not near my pizza.
asciilifeform: as discussed 3 days ago.
KRS1: .bait
knotwork: Hmm okay maybe I should try to research how often places this interesting come available
the20year1: The increase in btc value certainly doesn't help me too much
mircea_popescu: well, let's put it this way : canada is running on a deficit. eventually the whole shebang will go up on auction.
dub: buy your own island in panama for less
knotwork: its also true that if bitcoins skyrockets a lot I wont care if a place is a steal or not I will just pay high to get what I want "at any price" kind of thing
mircea_popescu: wait a few years, buy her majesty's lieutenant general's children.
dub: or likely many many nicer places than a freezing shithole in moosecock territory
mircea_popescu: dub but he lives there already.
knotwork: are the Lt-Gen's children cute?
mircea_popescu: he saves on plane tickets this way.
mircea_popescu: knotwork well you can also buy a plastic surgeon
decimation: I think the bitcoin talk forum is where you want to go if you are looking for greater fools
knotwork: Ah but here I get much better perspective on the whole thing
mircea_popescu: "neet perspective ? talk to an ashhole."
mircea_popescu: dub you and the fucking global warming huts.
kakobrekla: a strong tide and your are out of land to stand on
mircea_popescu: how high's the water, kako...
knotwork: I dont want something with lots of power so I can do lots of mining, and with lots of room for solar and wind. water power would be nice too but I havent seen anything good with water power potential yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.67000027 = 2.01 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: or you could be living next to John McAfee and be murdered
knotwork: I do want something with ltos of power I mean
the20year1: an island you have a shot at tidal
kakobrekla: tidal washing?
mircea_popescu: mcafee got mordored ?!
the20year1: Tidal power
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.0009866 = 25.7503 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: Not sure I want an island, I can get seasick just on the PEI ferry
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah, his neighbour (supposedly!) did.
decimation: no, he is allegedly the murderer
dub: easy to fix seasickness
decimation: That's why Intel now calls it "Intel Security" instead of "McAfee anti-virus"
dub: two ways, tactical and strategic
dub: tactical, smoke weed = instafix
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this story reminds me of the sad story of some weirdo pua guy. in 2010 i said something like "if you date this guy you have good chances to end up shot in the face, because he is going to shoot someone in the face". in 2011 he was booked on charges of
dub: the other is to subject yourself to it for a week or more
mircea_popescu: having shot some woman in the jaw
asciilifeform: decimation: mcaffee claimed, in an interview, that he's been demanding that his name be taken off the crapware for a decade now.
nubbins`: dub, i tactically smoke weed for this very reason
nubbins`: if i don't, i might get seasick
decimation: except:
dub: can't fault that stoner logic
mircea_popescu: does weed give you sea sickness in the desert to even things out ?
decimation: He said Intel lost a great marketing opportunity when he was being chased through the jungles of Central America. Instead of shying away from the McAfee name, Intel should have leveraged press about his misadventures and taken a more edgy approach.
decimation: "Roll with it. Hire a creative marketing team and see what you can do with this," he said. Executives should have asked, "How can we do creative marketing to change Intel from a staid, stodgy company to a shaker and mover?"
ozbot: John McAfee escaped police and lost his fortune. Now he's enjoying art in Canada. - Jan. 8, 2014
mircea_popescu: intel wants to be edgy about as much as i want to be politically correct.
mircea_popescu: what nonsense is this!
asciilifeform: time for usg to rename its organs in line with the new 'soviet' reality
asciilifeform: intel -> 'dept. of microprocessors'
decimation: Maybe McAfee will buy your military base, now that he is allowed to reside in Canada, apparently
asciilifeform: microshaft -> 'dept. of software'
kakobrekla: knotwork you want a chocholate bar or a chocholate factory?
dub: turns out there are hundreds of islands for under $500k in canada
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: you can't smoke weed in the desert, it's too hot
pankkake: I want oompa loompas
decimation: NYT -> dept. of journalism
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18738 @ 0.00098657 = 18.4863 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ministry of trooth.
mircea_popescu: "He added that for his own security he has other people buy his computer equipment for him, uses pseudonyms for setting up computers and logging in, and changes his IP address several times a day.["
mircea_popescu: wikipedia rocks, seriously now.
mircea_popescu: i too use pseudonyms when logging in.
knotwork: I dont want to run out of space or power for my datacentre that I want to have
nubbins`: fun fact, nubbins` is not my birth name
pankkake: "changes his IP" lol
kakobrekla: chocolate cake then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your mastery of newspeak it doubleplus shitty, comrade.
mircea_popescu: "department of see computer run"
asciilifeform: not my forte, truly.
nubbins`: dept of thinkboxthink
knotwork: right now I am putting in a 400 amp hookup in my country-house but but that is now going to be done as a "home business" in which I will purportedly only use 25% of the house for business
the20year1: only 400a?
mircea_popescu: also department of reboot
nubbins`: home business is the way to go
knotwork: as to make it commercial I would need wheelshair ramps, parking for however many customers/staff and on like that
mircea_popescu: knotwork do you have 4 bathrooms ?
knotwork: no I have no bath at all yet that is part of what is currently being installed in the house
asciilifeform: 100 amps per?
mircea_popescu: pankkake shitty isp, best security.
kakobrekla: knotwork running dc is not worth it if not on LARGE scale
mircea_popescu: canadian definitions of a "house" continue to amaze.
pankkake: shitty isp would have to lose its logs
mircea_popescu: so what's a barn over there ?
pankkake: but very very good isps know how to lose logs too :)
kakobrekla: bunker being small.
asciilifeform: lose logs, upstream isp 'forgets to lose' his - or comes up with new ones as needed.
asciilifeform: as if this saved anyone
knotwork: Open Transactions is deisgned to work without transaction-history (logs? what logs?) but legal quagmire around that is probably quite a quagmire
knotwork: But I do not want to put anything that has private keys in any third party datacentre
asciilifeform: stego example
knotwork: Otherwise the keys are in essence not private
asciilifeform: there are 'isp' that deal /only/ in... electric meter readings.
kakobrekla: yeah but then you dont need a wheelstair ramp.
asciilifeform: all of your data had better look like a plausible meter figure.
the20year1: broadband over electric line, yeah
knotwork: meters can be read by sattelite nowadays
asciilifeform: and the challenge is on the enemy to determine that it isn't.
the20year1: Our local power co-op did all the work to do broadband over lines...they're the only one that uses it
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with data-over-powerline)
asciilifeform: at least, around here the meters use 'gsm'
asciilifeform: just an example of 'clean isp'
asciilifeform: (and now that we said it, it cannot be used.)
the20year1: i think they ended up figuring like $25/mo for 768kbps for a residential user
asciilifeform: this is like those 'how to hide from customs' books.
asciilifeform: if read literally, it can only be a guide for what not to do.
decimation: I thought the smart meters used some kind of mesh network
knotwork: of course in the old days we lived in shoeboxes in the middle of the gutters
asciilifeform: not here. just cell grid.
kakobrekla: shoebox? you were lucky.
dub: luxury
knotwork: mircea_popescu, how/where do you host MPOE? how many techies guards gosh knows what have access to the hardware?
mircea_popescu: "Vice accidentally gave away his location at a Guatemalan resort in early December 2012, when a photo taken by one of its journalists accompanying McAfee was posted with the Exif geolocation metadata still attached." cute.
knotwork: do you keep the private keys at your own site and all the third party places have to call home any time something needing the key happens?
decimation: supposedly McAfee was disguised, but then wen to talk with the media
dub: he has an army of amazonian bbw's guarding his shit
ozbot: John McAfee 'disguised as Guatemalan street hawker with a limp' - Telegraph
mircea_popescu: "Everything I owned was in Belize. I left with nothing in my pocket," he said.
mircea_popescu: seems improbable.
mircea_popescu: the bbw amazons i mean.
mircea_popescu: besides, he's working on biopics. that's a sure sign of desperation.
KRS1: wow pizza here already
KRS1: I'm gonna call them, they told me it would be 1-2 hrs damnit.
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/9d9bae8644c0a20469c55d8e3abb5df7/tumblr_mnwjpdMA1q1rjvhtio1_500.jpg << in case you ever wondered how the french made all those metal fence patterns
KRS1: those girls can be lots of fun
kakobrekla: well, they certanly are lots of something.
kakobrekla: the boobs are odd.
KRS1: shes not bad..bbw goes downhill from there.
mircea_popescu: could do with more muscle.
mircea_popescu: anyone got a better pars-pro-toto representative for marxism than Althusser ?
ozbot: Harbour Grace cathedral found to be worthless - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: Altus Group found that the building currently has a market value of zero.
nubbins`: fuck a military base
nubbins`: hahaha, this:
ozbot: Judge to decide if Kenny Green broke bail - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: guy gets out on bail, condition is not to enter a licensed drinking establishment
nubbins`: is arrested exiting a jungle-themed family restaurant that happens to serve booze
mircea_popescu: how would someone know what's a licensed pub ?
mircea_popescu: i could license my garage if i wanted.
nubbins`: well, exactly
nubbins`: anyway, the murder this guy is accused of committing took place about 50 meters southeast of my house
nubbins`: the victim's grave was dug up a couple of days after burial
nubbins`: and this kenny green guy was accused of trying to break out of the psych hospital while being held there for some sort of examination
dub: some next level retardation in #dogecoin
mircea_popescu: maybne they only had tequilla and it's not agreeing with him
nubbins`: some blue colors in the sky
mircea_popescu: dub summary ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00098635 = 15.4857 BTC [-] {2}
dub: theres no words really
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [+]
nubbins`: to the aooooooooooooooon
mircea_popescu: "i had sex with urmom and she was saying all along, doge! upupup!" ?
knotwork: There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
mircea_popescu: you don't mean in like early 2012 ?!
knotwork: maybe yeah
knotwork: he mismanaged the shares thing and mybe also got screwed when that Irish guy's "exchange" flew by night
mircea_popescu: you mean like... dmc ?
knotwork: I think his nick was longer than that? not death and taxes but thats who I always tended to confuse him with
mircea_popescu: i don't know dt ever did mismanage anything.
knotwork: yeah exactly
mircea_popescu: it'd be Diablo-D3, teh glbse asset was dmc
knotwork: but I think death and taxes nick was what kept the other guys nick from sticking in my long term memory
knotwork: Diablo yes that it no idea what I'd confuse that with death, maybe its a death and the devil thing
nubbins`: ;;seen Diablo-D3
gribble: Diablo-D3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <Diablo-D3> and all their btrfs people left to other companies
nubbins`: datacentre with solar
knotwork: oh good maybe he wont read the backscroll and will turn out to be a great fool :D
knotwork: greater
knotwork: I thought maybe I'd found just what he was looking for but at a cheaper price
knotwork: and in proobably decent place for wind power
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.68596666 = 2.0579 BTC [+] {3}
knotwork: maybe even water though it doesnt mention any brooks etc in the stuff I have read about the place
knotwork: but it is said to be in mountain area
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure you need a permit to dam running water, even in canada.
mircea_popescu: possibly not for wind, but i'd check if i were you.
knotwork: I wasnt thinking of a dam but even just a little thing you sink into the water might be all kinds of regulation apparently yeah
Diablo-D3: who'd what be me?
Diablo-D3: someone rang?
Diablo-D3: knotwork:
knotwork: some guy on bitcointalk has pics of a tiny little trickly he gets power from
mircea_popescu: what, you building the first ever megawatt yoyo ?
nubbins`: re: permits, generally that would be a provincial responsibility, not federal
knotwork: Yeah Diablo I saw a piece of real estate I thought might be great for the kind of data centre you once wanted to do
Diablo-D3: [11:13:26] <knotwork> There was some guy in the investments section of bitcointalk (also probably known as the greater fool section) who wanted to do a whole ten million USD datacentre with solar and such I cant recall who that was
Diablo-D3: that'd be me
Diablo-D3: I'm funding this shit myself now
Diablo-D3: I gave up on bitcoin funding
Diablo-D3: its a fucking peanut gallery in there
Diablo-D3: a bunch of fuckwits that know nothing about running a company
Diablo-D3: so I shut down DMC and just went my own way
knotwork: still want to do a datacentre though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Satellite_Ground_Terminal_Folly_Lake 500k CAD or less
Duffer1: heh i was just gonna say..
Duffer1: millspec base in bumfuck canada perfect for a data center
Duffer1: or supervillain lair
mircea_popescu: or bdsm chateau
mircea_popescu: or really cool icecream factory
Diablo-D3: Duffer1: I wanna stay in the US
Duffer1: too cold for bdsm probably
mircea_popescu: you must be new
Diablo-D3: Duffer1: we have a few abandoned military bases in northern US including maine btw
knotwork: Not with all the heat the mining gear gives off
Diablo-D3: sometimes they come up for auction
mircea_popescu: the girls are warm, the canes are there to beat...
knotwork: (not too cold for whatever)
knotwork: maybe cold enough to cool the gear in winter. maybe.
knotwork: I have fans sucking in outside area in my room here in snowstorm and its still plenty warm in here
knotwork: outside air
Diablo-D3: knotwork: I ended up starting a dedicated server hosting company for a quarter of a million
Diablo-D3: if I grow it right, I'll be able to afford the datacenter I want
nubbins`: wow, wentworth really is bumfuck canada
knotwork: what kind of facility and do you rent/lease or own the land?
Diablo-D3: leasing racks.
knotwork: yikes so third party hosting
knotwork: for me a MAJOR part of wanting my own datacentre is I dont want to refer to keys that are on third party land as "private" keys as for all I know they are not.
knotwork: They are the third party's keys that they maybe let me use but aren't really mine any way not privately anyway
Diablo-D3: knotwork: its second party.
Diablo-D3: Im getting the racks directly from someone leasing directly from the building owner.
Diablo-D3: not a reseller further down the line
knotwork: and this someone is part of th corporate "you" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00098973 = 17.1223 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: but what Im saying is
Diablo-D3: the farther you go down the chain, the more you get fucked with
knotwork: right
mircea_popescu: you know sooner or later you will have to take employees.
Diablo-D3: if the NSA is going to spy on me or my customers
Diablo-D3: they're already doing it.
knotwork: one problem really with the military base idea is it would need a guard or groundskeeper etc
Diablo-D3: knotwork: well no
knotwork: though I could lock them out of the actual datacentre part maybe
Diablo-D3: it'd require no more physical security than an actual datacenter.
Diablo-D3: if you're not aware of how datacenter security works, go research that
knotwork: I coudl maybe put the keys in a machine in a vault or something
Diablo-D3: you're worried about private keys?
Diablo-D3: you cant secure them.
Diablo-D3: period.
Diablo-D3: unless the machine is on you at all times and already secure, there is no such thing as a secure private key
Diablo-D3: the only machine that can be on you at all times is a cell phone. cell phones are not secure.
KRS1: at all
knotwork: Maybe right in a city next to a police station could be more secure than out in the middle of no-where with gosh knows how long an RCMP response-time
knotwork: See this place is a great resource for discovering whether one is oneself a great(er) fool.
KRS1: Just buy a ship. Done. imo choose the caterpillar diesel engines option..well worth it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 39 @ 0.0032 = 0.1248 BTC [+]
Duffer1: google ship?
KRS1: Secure, self sustaining..
Namworld: You could tattoo the private key on the underneath of your eyelid. Pull and read in a mirror.
Namworld: Sign with it from offline computer, clean machine after each use
knotwork: i get seasick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999997 = 0.15 BTC [+]
Namworld: Now people need to drug you/knowck you out to get the private key.
KRS1: find a way to live in orbit
kakobrekla: orbit is not safe
KRS1: make sure to have a greenhouse and recycle your water
KRS1: kakobrekla, if its made out of unobtainium its is..jeez.
Namworld: With giant laser cannon directed at the "ants" (people) on earth? So you can direct them around or randomly blast them?
KRS1: Namworld you could have tons of fun with that..it would never get old.
kakobrekla: not if a rock made of unobtainium hits you
knotwork: Well first I will just get my 400 amps into my country-house I might feel a lot less stir-crazy cabin-fever starved for outlets to plug machines into then
KRS1: ah shit i didnt think of that =/
Namworld: If that happen I can rebuild it mad an indestructible unobtainium shielding.
mod6: s.moon: mp's forth-coming lunar cold storage warehouse
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00684269 = 0.2463 BTC [-]
KRS1: haha
kakobrekla: as long as it has lazerz
KRS1: ;;lasers
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kakobrekla: take that USD!
mod6: to the moon!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.67000002 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}
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KRS1: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
KRS1: i'm sorry i gotta step away for this
knotwork: Well maybe a movie. Involving an evil lair
knotwork: Or figure out the cost of just the land, subtract the cost of removing the buildings etc etc and make crazy lowball offer to see how eager the seller is to sell
knotwork: offer to take it off his hands for a nominal dollar to save him the cost of demolition
the20year1: what i'd do is just start off with a lowball figure, bring it up $10k or so every few weeks
knotwork: maybe it will afterall still be available in november when bitcoin is $10,000 (i guess I was wrong about how long people think that might take to reach) and it will be cheaper then too as their desperation increases
the20year1: i'd be estatic if it reached 1-
the20year1: 10k then :D
knotwork: I think even when it reaches only $2000 or $2500 or so I would start wanting to hive off 500k CAD or so worth into something other than cryptocoins
knotwork: even though anything other than cryptocoins would likely appreciate much slower
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009021 = 0.1804 BTC [-] {4}
knotwork: but land can be appreciated in other ways than by looking how much money it is worth
the20year1: you could buy some rentalstarter :D
kakobrekla: hedge bitcoin, buy bunker
knotwork: one can walk it, live on it build lairs on it etc
kakobrekla: makes sense.
knotwork: if I could use 500 or 600 bitcoins as collateral for a mortgage/loan I might go for it all by mtself
knotwork: but that is a non-starter
Duffer1: 500btc ?
the20year1: i don't see why not
knotwork: because anyone who believes bitcoin is good as collateral isnt going to want to issue a fiat denominated loan
knotwork: and I wouldnt want a bitcoin-denominated one that would be crazy
the20year1: why not a fiat denominated one?
the20year1: BTC>USD , get a cashout refi , then put that back into bitcoin
knotwork: who would issue a 500k CAD loan based on bitcoin collateral?
the20year1: *if* loans are a problem
the20year1: i'm sure someone would
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