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mircea_popescu: twist : badbios is written in .net
nubbins`: that'd be an impressive feat
nubbins`: you'd get at least a few whitepapers out of it
mircea_popescu: i think my cock might be bugged
mircea_popescu: it buggers womenz all teh time.
mircea_popescu: even further twist : "its payment unit PayPal may one day incorporate BitCoin." where are you skinnavaj guy.
nubbins`: ltc: to the hill!
mircea_popescu: ahahaah to the hill
mircea_popescu: too good.
pankkake: I have a hard time imagining ebay adopting bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i don't have a hard time imagining why they'd want to tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00084278 = 10.5769 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: breaking news: ebay to acquire bitcoin
pankkake: the make a lot through paypal fees, or sneaky currency conversion fees
nubbins`: they make a lot through ebay fees
nubbins`: 10%!
pankkake: really it's 10% now?
nubbins`: yes man
mircea_popescu: they'd make a helluva lot more if they could just take a file out of dpr's book and tell the govt to suck on an onion./
nubbins`: ebay+pp = 13%
pankkake: it's becoming worse and worse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00084145 = 8.5828 BTC [-]
nubbins`: that's why everything is so goddamn expensive on ebay
mircea_popescu: wait, so actually the silkroad charged less than ebay ?!
pankkake: my last big sales were in the 5% range or less, but that was years ago
nubbins`: i think SR was a straight-up 10?
mircea_popescu: maybe i completely misunderstood the business model there.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't for drugs.
nubbins`: although if you wanna be fair you'd have to include exchange fees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.0076024 = 0.707 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 11 @ 0.06 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.05989999 = 0.2396 BTC [-]
benkay: huh. so when does the ebay for bitcoin happen, eh mp?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. i been crowing about how it'd be a good idea for years.
mircea_popescu: that bitmit thing isn't going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: but where to find the people to do it...
pankkake: I've been meaning to write it but my productivity is close to zero these last few months
pankkake: mostly due to frustrations with bitmit
pankkake: well, if I do something, that will be it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5229 @ 0.00083969 = 4.3907 BTC [-]
pankkake: their thread is full of disgruntled sellers, certainly not what you'd want
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.002779 = 0.1779 BTC [+]
benkay: pankkake u ams dev, unless I misremember
benkay: (plz for to correct)
pankkake: ams?
pankkake: I'm a developer, mostly worked for web startups
benkay: preferred stack?
pankkake: Python, where I use many libs rather than a framework
pankkake: though I previously used Django
benkay: ugh
benkay: django is like a ufo
benkay: "incant this triangular shaped widget into this triangular shaped hole and photos will appear over there"
pankkake: it's easy to do simple stuff but hard to do complex stuff
pankkake: haha
benkay: fn tell me about it
benkay: when i get back from le argent i gotta defuck this django stack
benkay: and then make it profitable
pankkake: I haven't kept up with the latest frameworks
benkay: allow me to express my disgust with python
pankkake: though I use most libs of the Pyramids stack
benkay: DISGUST
pankkake: what do you use?
benkay: clojure
benkay: although python because clients
benkay: hm.
benkay: bitcoin ebay?
benkay: in lisp?
benkay: come on pankkake
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of platform or coding even.
mircea_popescu: when i say someone to do it i mean someone with a decade's worth of experience in a relevant position.
mircea_popescu: area manager for a major fcmg retailer, for instance.
pankkake: there's more than doing an ebay though. there is a need for easy small shops (like bigcartel.com)
pankkake: fcmg?
benkay: i would love to build a thing under someone with a decade's domain experience
benkay: i also want to work with tools that i enjoy
benkay: (as an aside: do you know how hard it is to find business-oriented mentors in america?)
nubbins`: bigcartel is beta-ing direct credit card payments right now
nubbins`: i got an email about it the other day
nubbins`: cutting paypal outta the loop!
pankkake: about time
benkay: (the best we get are advertising/strategy bros who have accidentally fallen into tech)
pankkake: hm bandcamp still uses paypal?
nubbins`: afaik
nubbins`: now, both allowed you to pay with a cc without having a paypal account
nubbins`: but still.
mircea_popescu: benkay myeah.
mircea_popescu: pankkake fast moving consumer goods. like sodas, tampons, whatever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0076025 = 0.2585 BTC [+]
nubbins`: speedboats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00083969 = 6.3816 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.002779 = 0.5558 BTC [+]
benkay: ohai luke
benkay: how are those quantum bitcoins coming, eh?
benkay: Luke-Jr: ping
Luke-Jr: …
benkay: noosphere?
benkay: oh scuse me noospheer
benkay: Luke-Jr: weren't you involved with that operation?
Luke-Jr: only if they get something working
Luke-Jr: then I'll add support to BFGMiner
Luke-Jr: I'm skeptical it'll get that far.
Luke-Jr: especially when the main guy behind it is going around demanding proof GPUs can't simulate ASICs..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.869 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.8699 = 1.7398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00083969 = 8.6488 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol such a failpile.
mircea_popescu: simulate asics in gpus simulated in pressure cookers simulated in one guy's mind.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.83 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0076016 = 0.7982 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 612 @ 0.00109498 = 0.6701 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8699999 BTC [+]
jurov: pankkake: my impression is as soon as one wants javascript interactive bling, is in for serious butthurt
jurov: regardless of framework
jurov: it's like windows api, but developed by multiple competing entities
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00278 = 0.278 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 450 @ 0.00109498 = 0.4927 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00788039 = 0.8274 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: so mike_c, it may please you to find that not only are you in the mpex faq now, but process of arguing about it ended a coupla hours ago with my complete capitulation
mircea_popescu: as a result mpex now returns executed collateral immediately upon execution.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00083969 = 2.8549 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 498 @ 0.00109102 = 0.5433 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00278 = 0.2863 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 558 @ 0.00109498 = 0.611 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 15 @ 0.06 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00083436 = 11.097 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.0078889 = 0.6942 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 13 @ 0.0078889 = 0.1026 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00082588 = 16.146 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.12748333 = 0.7649 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.0078871 = 0.6941 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00788839 = 0.6942 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 204 @ 0.00789226 = 1.61 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 421 @ 0.00278 = 1.1704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5941 @ 0.00082876 = 4.9237 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.85 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.83000044 = 9.13 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.8255716 = 1.6511 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: <mircea_popescu> as a result mpex now returns executed collateral immediately upon execution.<<< immediately on opex you mean? or it's about futures?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 375 @ 0.00278135 = 1.043 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1073 @ 0.00278769 = 2.9912 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 837 @ 0.00278769 = 2.3333 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.8 = 12.8 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 238 @ 0.00277874 = 0.6613 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11967 @ 0.00082588 = 9.8833 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.75916668 = 2.2775 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00082886 = 7.2111 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 37 @ 0.0599135 = 2.2168 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 21 @ 0.05989999 = 1.2579 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 95 @ 0.05989999 = 5.6905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7016 @ 0.00082984 = 5.8222 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 127 @ 0.00780004 = 0.9906 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.0078899 = 0.7022 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 54 @ 0.05803898 = 3.1341 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.0078 = 1.0218 BTC [-]
kleeck: Heh. Just got a notification email from the my State's Healthcare Association regarind CryptoLocker.
kleeck: My IronPort has been stripping zipped .exe files for a month now., all from DHL, UPS, and FedEx. Thanks for the headsup...
topace: haha
topace: thats a pretty shitty virus
topace: bringing a lot of new people to bitcoin
topace: in a bad way
topace: i had one guy ask me how i hadnt been arrested yet becuase he knew my address and phone number he was going to report me to the police
topace: it took me half an hour to explain to him, i only buy and sell bitcoins,. i have nothing to do with cryptolocker
kleeck: lol
kleeck: Drugs and Viruses, the backbone of BTC>
kleeck: :P
kleeck: It makes me sad that this virus is actually doing damage to any medium sized businesses.
kleeck: First off, your users shouldn't be able to get a zipped exe, or an exe, at all.
kleeck: At least via e-mail.
kleeck: Second, why don't you have backups?!
topace: one guy i talked to said it infected their backup system from the desktop it was clicked on
topace: i tried to explain to him how a moutned network drive != backup
kleeck: What?
topace: useless
kleeck: His backup was a network share?
topace: yea
kleeck: wtf
topace: which, kinda makes sense
kleeck: who are these clowns?
topace: it was a NAS
topace: and as a clueless IT person, thats probabyl what i would do too
kleeck: So, this wasn't a system admin, then?
topace: most of these companies dont have sysadmins
topace: they have "a guy that knows a littlbe bit about computers"
topace: or
kleeck: And uses network shares as a backup solution..
topace: "a guy that knows a guy that knows how to use computers"
kleeck: You can use a NAS, but you don't SHARE the backup partition.
topace: mostly ive been contacted by small businesses.. 3-10 employees
kleeck: I see.
topace: 3-5 per week the past few weeks
kleeck: Do you do support, then?
topace: "hi, i'd like to buy exactly 2.00000000 bitcoins, how do i do it? can i give you my creditcard number?"
kleeck: Oh no...
topace: == surefire cryptolocker victim
kleeck: That sucks, man.
kleeck: Makes me sad.
topace: i run www.canadianbitcoins.com
kleeck: I see.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.760217 = 4.5613 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.00769506 = 1.162 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.0580001 = 0.348 BTC [-]
ozbot: Startup snake oil: scamming early stage entrepreneurs | PandoDaily
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00277999 = 0.1195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19883 @ 0.00082375 = 16.3786 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
kleeck: .d
ozbot: 390928787.63809 | Next Diff in 209 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.8184% in 0d 23h 40m 50s
nubbins`: gribs is slow
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 234.63654, vol: 18870.86799441 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 218.97, vol: 19816.55391138 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 215.996, vol: 12618.76417 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 213.98, vol: 386.26816174 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 228.25050156, vol: 33815.64000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 225.636171552
nubbins`: (!!)
ThickAsThieves: well shit
nubbins`: i know right?
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 4033928.60985
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 515523510.95 based on data since last change | 563524717.975 based on data for last three days
nubbins`: any guesses as to when we'll see a BTC-USD all-time high?
ThickAsThieves: this week
nubbins`: wouldn't surprise me
ThickAsThieves: i thought we'd be pulling back already
ThickAsThieves: i think this ebay news is floating it
nubbins`: i was surprised at the amount of support ~200
JoeyMe: it cant go down can it?
nubbins`: JoeyMe: impossible, re-mortgage your house and put it all in btc
ThickAsThieves: nubbins' is a financial advisor
JoeyMe: no, I meant difficulty
ThickAsThieves: diff can go down
ThickAsThieves: it wont any time soon
ThickAsThieves: but it can
JoeyMe: ok
nubbins`: hm, i wonder
nubbins`: i'd normally be really stressed out about buying btc at 225
nubbins`: but i don't think it would be a bad idea, short-term
ThickAsThieves: it's all a guess at this point
ThickAsThieves: looking at the situation I think many would say it's overpriced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.007695 = 0.9234 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: but there's no stopping it from going up more
ThickAsThieves: it will relieve itself eventually
nubbins`: agreed
nubbins`: just a matter of how close you can get your horseshoe to the stake
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 232.90000, Best ask: 234.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 232.00001, 24 hour volume: 19281.05367985, 24 hour low: 214.89993, 24 hour high: 234.95000, 24 hour vwap: 223.42446
bitesak: thats quite a price for 1 bitcoin
nubbins`: it's quite a price for two, really
kleeck: Yes. I dare say I'm gonig to take some profits now.
ThickAsThieves: $2329000 for a pizza
kleeck: :)
ThickAsThieves: fukn inflation
bitesak: now? it's not even an all time high
nubbins`: can't even imagine what a box of kraft dinner costs ;)
nubbins`: bitesak: greedy!
kleeck: Of course now. Average bought is 60$. It is time.
nubbins`: <-avg $22
kleeck: Well done!
kleeck: I bought my first @ 9$.
nubbins`: better done if i hadn't won and lost several fortunes in that period of time
kleeck: I won't say what I did with those...
nubbins`: my first btc cost $16, and i smoked it
ThickAsThieves: $230 joints
kleeck: I too looked into the eyes of insane profit % and said, "Nay! I will not take you!"
bitesak: I bought me first at39cents and have made many 'wrong' decisions along the way on selling them :)
ThickAsThieves: good stuff i hope
nubbins`: *cough* good enough
nubbins`: anyway, i did some math the other day
kleeck: And now we get to tell our friends all about the premium drugs we've abused.
nubbins`: it turns out that if i had just done nothing with my btc, i'd be in exactly the same financial situation as i am today
nubbins`: which is really the best i could ask for, given how many times i've lost my shirt on poor investments
kleeck: haha
kleeck: I hear you.
nubbins`: losing money makes you learn quickly.
kleeck: Indeed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.75600008 = 9.072 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.75300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00762295 = 11.4344 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 519 @ 0.0075985 = 3.9436 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.72227777 = 6.5005 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: jurov no, options.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then no, you wou;dn't be in the same position. knowledge is money.
ThickAsThieves: brain equity
mircea_popescu: fritz machlup ftw
nubbins`: hmm, you've got a point
nubbins`: i'd likely have lost my shirt in some other manner
nubbins`: and i mean, i get shirts wholesale, but they're still not free, ya know!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00081905 = 28.0115 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess nobody today remembers machlup as the initiator of the "information economy" concept
ThickAsThieves: i read the wiki, i know plenty!
ThickAsThieves: hehe, not really
ThickAsThieves: sad he dies 3/10ths into his plan
ozbot: Cotton - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
nubbins`: ^ for a while there, t-shirts REALLY weren't free
mircea_popescu: the price of cotton figures what, 18 cents in the cost fo a tshirt ?
ozbot: Man Who Enjoys Thing Informed He Is Wrong | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
nubbins`: not sure of the exact numbers, but the price of a shirt was roughly 2x today's price when that was happening
nubbins`: hahahahahahahaha @ article
nubbins`: why didn't himmelsbaugh consult an appropriate authority before assuming that he enjoyed the thing?
nubbins`: what an idiot
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: so i'm reading old logs : Jun 21 14:49:17 <mircea_popescu>well it was 1/4 bn earlier thisd year
mircea_popescu: apparently what goes around comes around.
ozbot: Activist Post: IRS to Jail Woman Who Owes $0 in Taxes, Seeks Jury Nullification
kleeck: How dare she?!
kakobrekla: hits 200btc
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 500MN before Xmas 2013
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.819 = 1.638 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 267926 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 201 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 14 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 515663290.372 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.90722
mircea_popescu: crazy shot
kakobrekla: feels like 2011
mircea_popescu: tghen people want btc to go down. well how the fuck.
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
ThickAsThieves: where's the 200btc on that one?
mircea_popescu: 1bn doesn't seem so unlikely nao.
asciilifeform: now would be the perfect time for an 'asteroid' event (e.g. somebody gets SATCOIN hasher working.)
ThickAsThieves: very likely
mircea_popescu: what's satcoin ?
asciilifeform: or, anybody still alive knows how to wrangle gallium arsenide logic?
dexX7: people say a sat-solver is useless, because it would only provide an advantage, if sha is broken
mircea_popescu: sat solving my foot.
asciilifeform: dexX7: not necessarily. more efficient mining doesn't need a SAT solution in the general case.
asciilifeform: just as RSA-breaking has not been proven to require fast factoring.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm rusty, but afaik mining != sha(sha(block+nonce))
asciilifeform: the cookie jar is far too full for somebody not to try an interesting an unorthodox approach to empty it.
dexX7: i like the idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00081903 = 2.1704 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: but maybe that's like thinking that a sufficiently juicy chunk of rotten meat, placed on the moon, will somehow attract flies.
dexX7: or let's say the idea of trying something unconventional :)
mircea_popescu: i think the moon simile carries.
asciilifeform: maybe some wealthy joker ought to fund a 'Perimeter Institute' for btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 19 @ 0.0552 = 1.0488 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, hypothetical 'superminer' would be an ultimately analog system. with no well-understood explanation for why it works.
asciilifeform: bz-bzzz. where are the other flies on this dusty space rock...
jurov: mh, human brain falls into that definition, too :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know flies require an atmosphere
jurov: pity it can do n-th sqare roots better than modulo 32 arithmetic
asciilifeform: hence the pristine meat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 253 @ 0.001092 = 0.2763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00081905 = 5.9791 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, if I get a parrot that extracts correct nonces out of a bag, i don't have a miner.
mircea_popescu: i have a coincidental parrot.
mircea_popescu: even if i crack 1000 consecutive blocks in half an hour.
kakobrekla: how much for the parrot
asciilifeform: any reason such a beast wouldn't function as a miner?
mircea_popescu: anamazing parrot!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same reason a girl wearing a funny hat doesn't function as the emperess of china.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think it would wake people up into the dynamic-workfunction heresy?
mircea_popescu: if the shaman heals you he's still no doctor, even should the mage light up a fire he's still no matchstick
asciilifeform: the mage can still burn the village to the ground
asciilifeform: even if he has no idea why his stick-rubbing touched off the flame.
mircea_popescu: but it wouldn't be a flamethrower, it'd just be a lucky freak.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense this isn't a discussion about mining,
mircea_popescu: this is a discussion about what if god gets your wife pregnant.
asciilifeform: it's more a discussion of 'asteroid event.'
mircea_popescu: if messiah comes tomorrow riding a box of flaming fans
mircea_popescu: this perhaps will have an impact, let's discuss it :D
asciilifeform: one would have to smoke some serious strange to believe that the concept of workfunction is vulnerable in the general case.
asciilifeform: but it is quite certainly so in the specific instance currently in use.
asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of a story told about General Curtis LeMay
asciilifeform: it is said that he never spat out his enormous cigar, and once appeared with such near a bomber at a fueling pump
asciilifeform: a grunt, risking court martial, asked the general to put out his smoke
asciilifeform: given that the whole shebang 'might explode'
asciilifeform: to which the general replied - 'it wouldn't dare.'
asciilifeform: the static workfunction is not entirely unlike this cigar.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.815 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: good story.
mircea_popescu: no cigar.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00269 = 0.269 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.0552 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 38 @ 0.0552 = 2.0976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 240 @ 0.00109498 = 0.2628 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet, October 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: bitbet in the red!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1350 @ 0.00022 = 0.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00081903 = 3.5628 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i'm so fucking addled
nubbins`: sick of dealing with subhumans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.375 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1493 = 0.2986 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00260848 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4959 @ 0.0025356 = 12.574 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0077899 = 0.3116 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5076 @ 0.00081758 = 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 260 @ 0.00277997 = 0.7228 BTC [+] {2}
firedrops: any new on BFL delivery of 28nm?
firedrops: news*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00758058 = 1.4555 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.0073306 = 0.9676 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.73833333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 100 @ 0.05325297 = 5.3253 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.38000005 = 5.7 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: nubbins`: let's discuss art with superhumans instead :DD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7795 BTC [+]
nubbins`: jurov, i generally don't talk to myself anymore ;)
nubbins`: just having a hard time with some meatheads that are former tenants of mine
nubbins`: they apparently think that not responding to my messages, phone calls, and letters is a reasonable way to deal with a court order requiring them to pay me
nubbins`: so now i have to waste a bunch of time filing paperwork with the sheriff's office
nubbins`: so i can get a garnishee order put on their paycheques
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Coinbase price above Gox right now
ozbot: Gox | Buy: $233.94 Sell: $234.00 Last: $233.30 High: $234.95 Low: $217.30
ozbot: Bitstamp | Buy: $226.76
ozbot: Coinbase | Buy: $235.41
ozbot: Weex | Buy: $66.00 Sell: $156.00 Last: $156.00
Duffer1: lol what!
Duffer1: run on gox inc?
zacm: cinbase higher than all
Duffer1: gox risk premium is gone, no reason to arb there now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00109116 = 0.1091 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: Tutorial: Test MSC – BTC Distributed Exchange Transactions | Mastercoin Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] [PAID] 0.21891588 BTC to 40`316 shares, 543 satoshi per share
bob____: why is gox risk premium gone? have they started paying out regularly now?
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 267948 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 179 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 28 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 514579156.082 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.6299
Duffer1: i mean, the price premium that drew arb to gox is no longer there
Duffer1: since it's price is now roughly equal to another major exchange that doesn't have liquidity problem, though i suppose coinbase isn't a true exchange
Duffer1: gox has almost no attraction now
bitesak: is coinbase only for the US?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00742748 = 0.312 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10402 @ 0.00081803 = 8.5091 BTC [+]
bitesak: it's in a US bank making it an issue for most people. and no mtgox do not pay quickly either. Sepa withdraw page now says 4 weeks and more apparently
KRS-1: Duffer1: I have used coinbase and I too think that.
bob____: it's not trying to be an exchange though. and it is definitely the safest/easiest way to buy btc in the US.
Duffer1: gox is way longer than 4 weeks unless you want to pay their usurious 5% expedited withdrawal
bob____: wow, they are charging for reasonable withdrawal times? amazing that they are getting away with this for so long.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Duffer1: i think once the 4 weeks passes they send you an extortion email saying you can pay 5% to get expedited, no one is getting reasonable withdrawal time even if you pay the fee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.35285 = 3.5285 BTC [-] {6}
geofflosophy: BingoBoingo around?
pgp: question: what would be possible reasons for txn with 0.001 BTC miner fee not to confirm? 5 blocks has been mined in intervening time. Any ideas?
bob____: is it a huge tx? (in kb)
kakobrekla: lol i have some dude writing me he is worried his btc account will go into negative.
kakobrekla: hi pgp, you live!
geofflosophy: damn dude, big ass miner fee
kakobrekla: pgp unluck or just big tx in size, not worth.
pgp: Size: 16998 bytes
kakobrekla: dunno but i can tell you a sekrit which will get you any amt confirmed in 1st block free of charge
pgp: BTC withdrawl from Gox... Goxed again!
pgp: ohh?
kakobrekla: what you need is coin control build
jurov: i use to scare ppl with negative balances on coinbr regularly xD
kakobrekla: so you can easily craft your own tx, so what you do is make the the tx from X to Y, which you need and append X to X which you dont need, the apended tx should be like 100 btc or something
kakobrekla: well basically you need to brake 1 bitcoin-day
kakobrekla: with 100 btc is fairly easy
kakobrekla: with 1k evern easier
pankkake: so, inputs.io hacked it seems
kakobrekla: and you end up with tx which will get confirmed tx in 1st block with 0 fees
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kakobrekla: i do this all the time, not cause i dont want to pay the fee but for other reasons
Apocalyptic: pankkake, was waiting for that one to happen
nubbins`: lel @ inputs.io
nubbins`: retards.io
kakobrekla: was waiting for it to happen really
kakobrekla: shoulda made a bbet
pankkake: I guess https://inputs.io/faq#q4-1 wasn't enough
nubbins`: "how do i know i can trust you?"
nubbins`: "you don't"
nubbins`: "but here's 20 bullet points"
pankkake: I still have my 0.0019 btc!
nubbins`: .....for now!!
nubbins`: xfer over 42 BTC and see what happens
Apocalyptic: you lucky pankkake
bob____: i don't believe they were hacked. they use google 2fa. that makes it impossible.
nubbins`: bob raises a good counterpoint
Apocalyptic: not sure if you're serious
nubbins`: i'm not
nubbins`: bob may be
bob____: super-serious.
nubbins`: super cereal
nubbins`: ;;ticker -market all
pankkake: I always thought the first issue would be it running a fractional reserve
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
nubbins`: pankkake: maybe it is, and someone made a big withdrawal
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 234.68000, vol: 16598.56480709 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 225.65, vol: 25211.51851602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 218.747, vol: 12357.51717 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 219.00, vol: 506.46552308 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 230.69373804, vol: 35572.04500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 228.316366199
jurov: the site now shows antiphishing bar
jurov: If this bar is missing, triple check that you are on https://inputs.io!
nubbins`: also make sure the "bitcoin foundation silver member" badge is present
nubbins`: and most importantly, ensure the huge splash image properly shows parallax when you wiggle your mouse over it
nubbins`: that means the encryption is on
jurov: oh, and do you know what they replied to my complaint to their homebrewn signature format?
jurov: This is the first time we've heard negative feedback amount the message signing format. It's designed for easier verification for humans, and automated mechanisms obviously won't work correctly. We believe for most use cases the current default is the best option.
jurov: i literally facepalmed
pankkake: well I think the real reason is to prevent you from signing actual transactions
jurov: or they found a way how humans can verify ECDSA sigs
pankkake: one human can probably do it: http://www.schneierfacts.com/
ozbot: Bruce Schneier Facts
pankkake: jurov: are you using a python lib to interact with bitcoind?
jurov: sometimes, mostly i interact directly
pankkake: ok. I have trouble deciding where to start
jurov: start by installing bitcoinrpc, cuz normal jsonrpc will convert everything to floats
pankkake: yeah I saw that. and the offical way seems to have it *replace* jsonrpc which is dirty :/
jurov: or some other problem, can remember exactly what gavin cooked there
jurov: no they renamed it to bitcoinrpc recently
pankkake: oh ok, cool
benkay: bob____:
benkay: bob____: the best way to buy coins in the us is through localbitcoins
jurov: or on -otc next door?
benkay: i cannot believe the amount of retardity on display in the acquiring bitcoins in america space
benkay: i have had sad luck with otc
pankkake: it's not especially better in Europe
benkay: went in looking to pick up nearly a whole shitbuck of corns the other day and got no takers
dub: pic.twitter.com/fuhxHwhexd
bob____: why localbitcoins better? so I can deal with moneypak and cash deposits instead of buying them online with an ach out of my bank account?
benkay: so you can get coins instantly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.78066666 = 2.342 BTC [+] {3}
bob____: hmm.. i'm not in that big a rush. i can get 10 instantly on coinbase.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1500 @ 0.00109498 = 1.6425 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: how is it not better in yurop pankkake?
pankkake: what are we supposed to use, Bitstamp? to trade… USDs?
kakobrekla: he was speaking of acquiring not trading
kakobrekla: for trading, bit4x is up to something i heard today.
pankkake: still quite annoying, unless you plan to buy right away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10815 @ 0.00081805 = 8.8472 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 805 @ 0.00079 = 0.636 BTC [-]
ozbot: Video: Really? New Anti Rape Underwear [Actual Product]
nubbins`: "tired of getting raped? wear these so your attacker will slash your throat instead!"
firedrops: tired of anal/vaginal rape? put a cork in them and get face-raped instead!
firedrops: Face-Rape, by Mennen.
pankkake: it's cleverly built
nubbins`: yeah
pankkake: but I face rape anyways
nubbins`: oh nvm, the video says the attacker will not slash your throa
pankkake: I doubt many rapists will go that far
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [-]
pankkake: what they say is actually true, resisting somewhat will lessen the chance of the rapist to go further
nubbins`: fair enough
nubbins`: i remember being at a bar show once, and there was some skid going around grabbing girls' asses and stuff
ThickAsThieves: so they wore ass-spikes?
nubbins`: my (then-future) wife railroaded him out of the bar
nubbins`: it was glorious
ThickAsThieves: has she considered a career in rape mitigation?
nubbins`: that was neither the first nor the last time i saw her kick a man out of a bar
ThickAsThieves: is she a bartender?
nubbins`: nope, just a patron
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.44642, Best ask: 235.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.55358, Last trade: 235.00000, 24 hour volume: 16690.25159194, 24 hour low: 220.59997, 24 hour high: 235.00000, 24 hour vwap: 228.40317
ThickAsThieves: remember the crash in April, heh
ThickAsThieves: it finally feels like it was 6mos ago
firedrops: Maybe I'll become a Rape-Companion.. Rent me for %100/hr to prevent rape.
ThickAsThieves: 100% an hour, that's fair
nubbins`: i wouldn't go above 50% per hour
firedrops: 100% rape prevention at 99% the cost.
firedrops: 1% discount
nubbins`: although i guess that leaves me at a 50% risk of assault
ThickAsThieves: self-rape doesnt count
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: crash? what crash? ;|
benkay: standing game and ground game should be taught at age 3
benkay: to both boys and girls, but girls especially
nubbins`: the way you say that, i don't think you've ever tried to teach anything to a 3 year old
benkay: if you don't teach your little ones to defend themselves, injuries they sustain because they're unable to defend themselves should be laid at the parents feet
benkay: ah nubs again with the pedantry. at a young age.
nubbins`: useless
benkay: i think this is the root of the "rape culture" bs
nubbins`: what's a 5 year old gonna do to stop an attacker?
nubbins`: a 10 year old, for that matter?
benkay: how about an 18 year old
benkay: who learned how to grapple ten years ago
benkay: vs one who did not
nubbins`: well, how big are they?
benkay: quit deliberately misunderstanding.
benkay: teach self defense.
benkay: accept that the world is a dangerous place and that children need to know how to kick people in the nuts at the very least
nubbins`: on that, we can agree
nubbins`: i know a badass woman who teaches self defense classes
nubbins`: to young girls
benkay: good on her
benkay: well it's plane o'clock
nubbins`: don't eat the ceviche
firedrops: I can say for sure that teaching anyone under 13 self-defense is useless for self-defense, but great for self-confidence.
firedrops: past that, if they are dedicated, I believe a skilled martial artist teenager could defend against 1-3 attackers (depending on their skill)
dub: you've got it backwards anyway
ozbot: inputs.io hacked? : Bitcoin
dub: instead of selling anti rape pants sell rape protection
nubbins`: i dunno, man
dub: rape everyone that refuses to pay
dub: problem solved
nubbins`: 3 attackers
nubbins`: vs one teenager?
nubbins`: this isn't hollywood, i think that's a bit unrealistic
ThickAsThieves: karate kid aint getting raped
nubbins`: especially if either of the attackers is a "big guy"
bob____: ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2013#368302
dub: depends a lot on the teenager
nubbins`: depends on the teenager being a black belt
dub: no
dub: black belt doesnt acutally mean anything
dub: nor does teenager
dub: some people are fully developed at 13
ThickAsThieves: nor does depends
nubbins`: nor does anything
dub: and blackbelt truely means nothing
nubbins`: anyway, it's a non-solution
nubbins`: unless you're advocating conscription or something
dub: if you've ever watched a real martial artist fight, even a relatively small teenager could be a match for any number of unskilled attackers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00278 = 0.278 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 348 @ 0.00278 = 0.9674 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: to the core of the earth!
kakobrekla: >Despite rampant fluctuations in in valuation, the price of bitcoins barely budged after the report was made public.
kakobrekla: cause its nothing new
kakobrekla: idiots.
kakobrekla: i wonder if next news will be btc is dead cause we figured out it is only virtual!?
bob____: it's not backed by gold! sell quick.
ozbot: U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion | The
ThickAsThieves: forumites want Ukyo to show the cold and hot wallet addies to prove he has coins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316546.msg3481667#msg3481667
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.352 = 1.408 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: this is what happens when customer service gets out of control
kakobrekla: happens all the time in the idiotworld, err i mean bitcoinworld
dub: its kinda what happens when dumb people make bitcoin exchanges too
kakobrekla: the root problem is dealing with people with less than x btc
kakobrekla: not only they do not bring anything to the table, take take away from it
kakobrekla: they take*
ThickAsThieves: Bitfunder has about 14btc volume in 24 hours
ThickAsThieves: maybe small guys is all that's left?
nubbins`: kako, +1
nubbins`: ran into this problem during my brief stint as an iOS developer
nubbins`: how much support do you give a customer for the 70 cents they gave you?
dub: thats the first problem
dub: only retarded people use ios
ThickAsThieves: ive been involved in several types of businesses and yes, the poorer clients are generally the most costly
nubbins`: lel good one!
nubbins`: even writing a one-line email costs more than 70 cents of my time
dub: uh
ThickAsThieves: the way you handle it in bitcoin, is have to have enough of those customers that are fans, and answer questions for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00082132 = 15.564 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: fanboy tech support
nubbins`: dub, what do non-retarded people use?
dub: android
nubbins`: oh, you're one of those
ThickAsThieves: android isnt bad now
dub: yeah, one of those pesky unretards
nubbins`: no, i meant one of those "i like x so people who like y are dummies!" people
nubbins`: such a strange reaction
pankkake: "Solving a puzzle gives miners a much higher chance of solving the next one" wat
nubbins`: idgaf what brand of telephone i own
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves, no the way you handle it is to raise the bar and offer a pro support to those who deserve it
nubbins`: and idgaf what brand you own
dub: neither tbh but when i see you holding an iphone I know you are an idiot
nubbins`: but don't let that stop you from masturbating a logo
ThickAsThieves: 2 levels of support, Pro, and No
pankkake: "There are currently 11.9 billion bitcoins in circulation" :D
dub: its a useful indicator
kakobrekla: and how will you distinguish
nubbins`: when i see you dealing in absolutes i know you are a retard
nubbins`: there's that too
kakobrekla: will you decide on the fly if to reply on support email or not
kakobrekla: or you ignore your customer and hope he gets on the forum
kakobrekla: free fan support
dub: life is too short not to generalise
kakobrekla: is this what we are going for?
ThickAsThieves: i wasnt being serious kako
nubbins`: kakobrekla: my solution was to just stop answering support emails :P
kakobrekla: well shit i cant tell
nubbins`: dub: "life is too short" is a phrase that doesn't belong on irc
kakobrekla: nubbins` yeah i heard you are not in IT anymore.
nubbins`: kakobrekla: nope, good riddance
ThickAsThieves: in practice, my personal dealings with customer service needs have been adaptive
dub: he's an art deal now rite?
dub: dealer*
ThickAsThieves: do what the business situation calls for
nubbins`: i produce the art, i let others deal it
nubbins`: oh and hey! we got our incorporation papers in the mail today
nubbins`: so i guess it's official now
ThickAsThieves: Nubbins Nubs, LLC?
nubbins`: nothing so vulgar
nubbins`: Pink Eye Print Company, Ltd.
ThickAsThieves: cool cool
nubbins`: although that name is still met with revulsion about 30% of the time
nubbins`: "jesus, really? ...well, i'll remember it, at least"
ThickAsThieves: Bitfunder is closing!
Kleeck_: Yup
dub: lol
nubbins`: so i can't join the crowd?
nubbins`: they better change that <title/>
Kleeck_: I'm sure that's the first on the list for Ukyo.
ThickAsThieves: registrations have been closed for a while anyway i think
nubbins`: #2: chop off genitals, feed to dogs, kill self
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
dub: withdrawals have been closed too apparently
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 234.37171, vol: 16081.58059177 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 225.33, vol: 26068.56787848 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 218.645, vol: 12103.18559 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 225.5, vol: 7904.52336116 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 220.00, vol: 529.47005912 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.19907784, vol: 35245.38900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 228.085716651
pankkake: lol bitfunder
ThickAsThieves: weex withdrawals being broken for a week probly made a lot of people more money
ThickAsThieves: since they probly wanted to sell
nubbins`: public service
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 432 @ 0.00109006 = 0.4709 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: bitfunder makes the btctctct closure look professional
nubbins`: i never know where the t's and c's end either D:
dub: I like how in the post after its made perfectly clear that butfunder was a one man show he's refering to himself as buttfunder in the 3rd person
pankkake: I wonder why so many operations rely on one man
nubbins`: buttplunder
pankkake: when you start to have some responsibilities, doesn't it make sense to have at least a backup?
nubbins`: because kids these days can do anything!!
dub: s/man/child
pankkake: like the john k thing
nubbins`: new paradigms, duh
nubbins`: having more than one person operate a complicated business is so 1950s
dub: because unique snowflakes
nubbins`: much more succinct
pankkake: I wonder how much of the "dead man switches" are actually bullshit :p
ThickAsThieves: mine is real!
dub: mom said she would help wind up my business if I dieded
pankkake: well, there is now way to know. but I remember seing it in your contracts (you have most of my bitcoins)
dub: as long as I make my bed
pankkake: haha
ThickAsThieves: appropriately, the dead man's switch is real because TATI was never one person
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00726 = 0.2541 BTC [-]
dub: I give havelock a couple of weeks, so just mpex again
bob____: but havelock just sold.
jurov: did topace indicate any legal trouble?
dub: getting chased out of your country is always a good sign, ask s.dice
dub: lol 'sold'
bob____: just because the panamanian directors are on the board of 50 companies doesn't mean it's a shell corporation!
nubbins`: i'm still pissed that i'm losing my bitbet re: havelock and usa
bob____: i'm surprised at that one.
nubbins`: me too
pankkake: lost the bet too, but the outcome certainly is better for me anyway
dub: 'moving to panama' is now a meme
nubbins`: pankkake: heh
nubbins`: win-win!
kakobrekla: 22:25.07 ( ThickAsThieves ) Bitfunder is closing!
ozbot: Amazon.com: Moving to Panama - Not for Me eBook: G. Roebuck: Kindle Store
kakobrekla: yeah too bad for that bbet
nubbins`: i still think topace was the one who bet 1 BTC on "no" ;(
kakobrekla: theres only 0.36 on yes though
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: me and a couple of other idiots
kakobrekla: is ukto?
nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHA
nubbins`: probably
nubbins`: mitigating his losses
Ukto: heh, no
Ukto: i dont use the site.
Ukto: well
Ukto: i have posted some bids
nubbins`: you should've, you could have earned like 0.5 btc!
Ukto: but I can say that bid is not mine :P
Ukto: nah, not right.
[\]: havelock sold?
nubbins`: too slow
nubbins`: man, they're devouring these sell walls on havelock
nubbins`: i mean virtex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5500 @ 0.00022 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.000823 = 7.4893 BTC [+]
[\]: thanks jurov
[\]: jurov, I wonder who VanCleef is gonna troll now
dub: with any luck he'll suicide for real
jurov: i dunno. #cryptostocks chan is deserted
[\]: lol
nubbins`: #stryptococks
jurov: we desperately need some safety valve spillout channels from -otc and -assets
[\]: this isn't one?
[\]: oh
[\]: heh
[\]: just use #bitcoin
[\]: its full, but idle
nubbins`: your mother's pussy is full, but idle
nubbins`: (sorry)
dub: -trollbox is available
[\]: #bitcointalk
[\]: #bitcointroll
[\]: #got.bit
kakobrekla: #got.tit
[\]: yep
[\]: .bait
dub: #tat.tit
[\]: nope
[\]: .bait
[\]: yep
dub: #gaydad4sons
[\]: dub, looks like you'll be all by yourself.
dub: #nambla etc
kakobrekla: jurov you still think you need another chan of this?
[\]: heh
jurov: kakobrekla hopefully it dilutes a bit
kakobrekla: question, hackputs.io has some revenue stream or not at all?
bob____: yes, occassionally they steal all their customers money (hehe)
dub: the oxcoin model
kakobrekla: aha not very viable then
dub: er ozcoin
kakobrekla: wasdat?
pankkake: yes, offchain fees. they always charge 0.005 but often use less
dub: "getting hacked"
kakobrekla: a rite.
VanCleef: hello
VanCleef: i believe this has been fufilled
ozbot: BitBet - BitFunder will close before July of 2014
pankkake: so who are you going to troll now?
VanCleef: well my bitfunder contract is up
VanCleef: trolled that to death
ozbot: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading
VanCleef: plz resolve bet
jurov: VanCleef: they don't resolve bets so quickly, take a pill and calm down
VanCleef: no probs i'm not stressing
VanCleef: just letting bitbet know
b0n1: why did bitfunder close?
dub: it got AIDS
kakobrekla: and stingrays
jurov: yea, it got IDs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.0072599 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.007254 = 0.486 BTC [-]
bob____: jurov, any early signals on the lower coinbr fees? is the world beating down your door?
jurov: so far mostly namworld's passthrough survivors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.731 BTC [-]
bob____: a decent amount of them keep the funds with you?
jurov: you mean the assets, yes
Namworld: coinbr might get more business soon
bob____: that's good to hear. more potential volume for mpex.
Namworld: For other reasons not yet to be disclosed
bob____: obviously you are talking about the upcoming logo redesign. we already know about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.731 BTC [-]
Namworld: No...
jurov: of course. and transfers/options/notification functions are also in pipeline
Namworld: I wasn't talking about that either
dub: what about a funding round to produce a coinbr t-shirt
jurov: rly, you want some?
jurov: and mugs! i shall ask eskimobob to make coinbr and mpex mugs :DDDD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.73005 = 1.4601 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [-]
jurov: but such exclusive stuff is reserved for bildercoin meetings in timisoara, you can now register at 50% discount ;)
kakobrekla: did ya vip up yet?
bob____: i hear the bitcoin bubble has caused mass inflation in timisoara
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.72200033 = 2.166 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.721001 = 3.605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 744 @ 0.00700328 = 5.2104 BTC [-] {7}
jurov: Just applied as vip.
kakobrekla: aha its cheaper now
kakobrekla: i want 2 bottles of champagne now
kakobrekla: and one should be red.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 300 @ 0.00109001 = 0.327 BTC [-]
ozbot: Twitter's Pre-IPO Euphoria: So Deja Book | Zero Hedge
ozbot: NEWS ANCHOR COMPLETELY LOSES IT FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE REASON EVER - YouTube
ozbot: Bitcoinity.org
kakobrekla: china will grow larger
ThickAsThieves: this Google doodle is the most distracting ever
ThickAsThieves: i usually barely notice them
jurov: btchina still without fees?
Apocalyptic: would like to know as well
bob____: seems to indicate its 0 fee..
bob____: https://vip.btcchina.com/about/index/page/fee
kakobrekla: nice translations lol
saulimus: yeah, real professional
kakobrekla: im skeptical they have 1/3 of the volume
Jere_Jones: pankkake: Awesome youtube link!
pankkake: one of the women say "leader of the free world". lel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00109001 = 0.109 BTC [-]
Namworld: My heater's plug was almost on fire... Noticed it was corroded, sanded it, no more problems. I don't want to freeze, but a fire is a bit too much.
pankkake: > not heating yourself with a bitcoin miner
Namworld: I'm no miner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 324 @ 0.00109498 = 0.3548 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00685999 = 0.2744 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 23 @ 0.05110001 = 1.1753 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 238.00001, Best ask: 238.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49999, Last trade: 238.50000, 24 hour volume: 17233.68261545, 24 hour low: 222.00000, 24 hour high: 239.02000, 24 hour vwap: 230.84519
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1160 / 230.8
gribble: 5.0259965338
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.722 = 2.888 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.71611442 = 5.0128 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0511 = 0.1022 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3197 @ 0.00082206 = 2.6281 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.0064793 = 0.7775 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 125 @ 0.0064799 = 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 141 @ 0.0511 = 7.2051 BTC [-]
[\]: mircea_popescu: [\\\] <--- VIP attendee ;-)
mircea_popescu: you comin' ? cool.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0064798 = 0.2268 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: [\\\] gotta make a comment there so you can pay.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 135 @ 0.00109498 = 0.1478 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: quickjump to stats from bet view added.
Apocalyptic: out of curiosity [\\\], what btc business are you running ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic don't you know ? he ran the world famous shakuru disbursement fund
kakobrekla: and some pirate stuff?
mircea_popescu: poor imsa.
mircea_popescu: anyway, Apocalyptic, he's an old guy that took a bad beat (cause he's smart but also doesn't listens!) and stuck through it. that sort of thing builds character of vipness.
nubbins`: vipness, pronounced vee-eye-penis
mircea_popescu: just as long as it doesn't turn to wee
mircea_popescu: wait so bitfunder is closing ?
mircea_popescu: how long have i been away!
mircea_popescu: dub: 'moving to panama' is now a meme << not only has been dub on a roll yest, but moreover the meme should be panakkake!
nubbins`: TO THE PANAMA
mircea_popescu: this was some epic log shit going on.
mircea_popescu: i take one day off to walk ma bitchez, you go dang it all to heck!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00082099 = 3.284 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i'd ask someone to name an album, but the last time i tried all i got was links to dance music
mircea_popescu: omg huyse hao do u speal
nubbins`: leel
nubbins`: .bait
pankkake: .bite
chsados: can someone help a noob out? new to linux and want to update electrum, is just doing the pip install considered the normal way to upgrade programs?
chsados: #electrum is deader than a floating fish
pankkake: if you can have a package for your distribution it is better
chsados: yea, i have looked on electrums website for a PPA to add, dont see any reference
mircea_popescu: chsados i'd love to help ya but i never used the thing.
chsados: ok :) ill just wait for some life in #electrum - thx
pankkake: ubuntu? I would be surprised if it wasn't packaged
chsados: yea im on ubuntu
pankkake: well, indeed the official website only mentions pip :/
chsados: when you say packaged - are you referring to adding a PPA?
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if the package worked.
pankkake: yeah
pankkake: actually it's already in there http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/electrum
chsados: nice
chsados: where did you find that
nubbins`: "i am the grave dancer, and i dance on your grave. uahahahaha."
pankkake: googled ubuntu electrum ;)
chsados: oh, pankkake the one in ubuntus software store is till 1.8.1
pankkake: I see. any reason you need the latest? otherwise I'd wait for an update
chsados: nope, you're right no reason not to wait, newest version isn't critical
[\]: the one in the windows PPA is 2.4.3
mircea_popescu: numbers are always bigger in windows.
pankkake: yeah Windows 7 is actually version 6.1 or something
mircea_popescu: i suppose their numbers must just not be very good, so they wear out a lot faster.
pankkake: as we know, it's better to have more numbers
mircea_popescu: or at least a large amount thereof.
[\]: pankkake: unless its stds
kakobrekla: my bitcoin address starts with 9
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00635051 = 0.1334 BTC [-] {3}
[\]: my bitcoinaddress is 1.
[\]: I been around so long, satoshi got his bitcoins from me.
mircea_popescu: you mean 1///
[\]: mircea_popescu: remember when we used to trade like 10k btc and the total USD was like $4?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.00634412 = 0.7232 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i have this recollection of having dreamed this once
mircea_popescu: but it clearly could never have been the case.
[\]: you're dreaming about me again, mo?
mircea_popescu: just your bits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 251 @ 0.00628749 = 1.5782 BTC [-] {4}
[\]: oh, that's cool.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00611147 = 0.495 BTC [-] {5}
KRS1: or tits
[\]: Apocalyptic: at one point, I was one of the largest miners on eligius and other pools, then I made some bad bets and got screwed.
[\]: Now I mainly ban trolls and get labelled as an op abuser.
mircea_popescu: [\\\] remember when like, 1 terrahash total was a remarkable lifetime achievement ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mean th/s. i just mean, th.
jcpham: coinlab loses more money
Apocalyptic: [\\\], I see
mircea_popescu: o no, the ycombinator people are taking over by storm!
ozbot: [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Labcoin Official Thread - Self-Moderated
dexX7: rofl
jcpham: labcoin totally legit
jcpham: anagram of coinlab obv
mircea_popescu: you guys are all simpleminded psychotic.
kakobrekla: alberto will be back.
kakobrekla: in some shape or form
ozbot: mccorvic comments on WSJ: Bitcoin Firm Files for Bankruptcy (Alydian Inc., a unit of CoinLab Inc.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00585226 = 0.5443 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: who asked him ?
mircea_popescu: "we" ? what "we" ?
Ukyo: sigh
[\]: super obvious is always obvious after
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 481 @ 0.00554683 = 2.668 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: i guess i gotta do a write-up now.
kakobrekla: >Alydian said in court papers that it owes $600,000 to CoinLab Inc. It also listed $3 million in debt to New Zealand's XRay Holdings LLC and $40,000 in debt to Mr. Vessenes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00082099 = 13.1358 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: also >Mr. Vessenes, who signed the bankruptcy petition, couldn't be reached for comment. Alydian's bankruptcy attorney also couldn't be reached. A spokeswoman for the Bitcoin Foundation declined to comment.
kakobrekla: that sums it up
[\]: See no evil
[\]: Speak no evil
jcpham: smells like coinlab fraud
[\]: Pay no evil
jcpham: claiming invisible losses
jcpham: but what do i know
[\]: Yeah
[\]: 3 months and already throwing in the towel?
[\]: either they had a terrible business plan
[\]: had no foresight
[\]: are a bunch of retards
[\]: OR
[\]: they went to Vegas with jcpham
nubbins`: it can be more than one thing
[\]: nubbins`: like retarded and no foresight?
nubbins`: occam's razor, amitire?
[\]: no
nubbins`: wait. amirite!
[\]: occam's razor isn't an explanation.
[\]: people that use it to explain things away are retards.
abracadabra: wait.. no..
nubbins`: well, look how many retards w/o foresight there are
[\\]: thanks abracadabra
nubbins`: it's the obvious explanation
[\\\\\\\]: now look what you did
abracadabra: dammit
abracadabra: DBordello your gpus are still happily mining away
DBordello: abracadabra, yeah? Alt coins?
[\\\\\\\]: abracadabra: house warmers?
abracadabra: still btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 508 @ 0.00278764 = 1.4161 BTC [-]
DBordello: 170 BTC worth :)
abracadabra: might switch them over to ltc
DBordello: abracadabra, have a sense if they have broken even for you?
[\]: abracadabra: careful, the vrms might be shot.
abracadabra: no idea DBordello
DBordello: abracadabra, hah :)
abracadabra: ya.. some 5970s are toast
abracadabra: 5970s were shitty design tbh
DBordello: Still have them in the same setup? 6x and 5x on MSI boards?
[\]: specifically, they mine fine on bitcoin, you try to switch and it doesn't work and then when you try to switch back, you can't
[\]: I agree.. 5970s sucked.
abracadabra: yep.. 5x
[\]: I liked my 5830s
[\]: 5850s were ok too.
DBordello: Yeah, the 5970s were trash.
DBordello: I liked the 5850s
abracadabra: 5870s ftmfw
DBordello: 5830s sucked some juice
[\]: I underclocked the 5830s
[\]: had them just as good as most peoples 5870s
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 238.74001, Best ask: 239.99986, Bid-ask spread: 1.25985, Last trade: 239.99993, 24 hour volume: 18326.11112164, 24 hour low: 222.00000, 24 hour high: 242.00000, 24 hour vwap: 231.92786
abracadabra: drive it like you stole it
DBordello: I agree
[\]: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00550082 = 0.187 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 892 @ 0.00278765 = 2.4866 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.37 = 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 103 @ 0.00559708 = 0.5765 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00542871 = 0.38 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00703837 = 0.4997 BTC [+] {3}
[\]: so how long till havelock closes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.00704999 = 0.1128 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: [\\\], they've been acquired by some Panama company with proper registration i heard
[\]: define 'proper.
[\]: proper for who?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6477 @ 0.00082099 = 5.3176 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: proper to run security exchanging biz in Panama i suppose, hard to find any relevant info about it
[\]: that doesn't make them legal in the US though, right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 263 @ 0.00704999 = 1.8541 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: didn't said it does
ozbot: Recapitulatio pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: that psychopathic guy really struck you
kakobrekla: yeah, he even came back later for reaffirmation http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4
mircea_popescu: pankkake i loved that one.
mircea_popescu: it's just... i dunno, to me it's like the icon of impotent webrat rage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00082252 = 10.2404 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00082096 = 0.821 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 117 @ 0.00109498 = 0.1281 BTC [+]
ozbot: Scot Young and the $4.5 billion Post-It note: Court hears of bankrupt tycoon's Facebook 'profit' in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00699 = 0.6361 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: "The American investigator said: 'That hit me like a dead cat buying groceries.'"
mircea_popescu: the cheekiness of this entire fiat system
mircea_popescu: guy is in jail because he "failed to explain why he's poor now".
mircea_popescu: the gall ? his fucking business already.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 164 @ 0.00109 = 0.1788 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.05300001 = 0.212 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00559001 = 0.1901 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00082006 = 8.8156 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12883 @ 0.00081912 = 10.5527 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: I guess the advantage to bitbet not resolving early is all that 1% fee refund opportunity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1227 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it's a lot better than that : the cost of having 10 people in a NOC watching it like hawks is x
mircea_popescu: the cost of having a few admins do it within a day is maybe 1% x
KRS1: /me
dexX7: http://youtu.be/WeuXMao99_g?t=2m59s the twist. the media shows the bad guys now with happy faces.
ozbot: Bitcoin Will Survive Anything. The Cats Out Of The Bag. Andrea Castillo - YouTube
ozbot: S.NSA, October 2013 Statement (1) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: what are special stock warrants?
mircea_popescu: well, do you know what stock warrants are, in fiat ?
pankkake: the basics. but I don't understand what they are used for, here
mircea_popescu: it's a right to buy shares at a certain price.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3200 @ 0.00250077 = 8.0025 BTC [-] {12}
pankkake: ok, after googling the fingerprints, I understand better :)
mircea_popescu: (c) The agreement between the parties is that Stanislav Datskovskiy will handle the operational, research and technical aspects of the venture, and jointly with Mircea Popescu the strategic management of the venture through a consensus process ; whereas Mircea Popescu will handle marketing, accounting and MPEx-compliant reporting for the venture, and jointly with Stanislav Datskovskiy the strategic management of the ve
mircea_popescu: nture through a consensus process. As such Stanislav Datskovskiy is entitled to and will be issued a number of SSWs equal to 70% of the shares sold per 3.2.a above, at a price equal to the average price established by the IPO, and Mircea Popescu is entitled to and will be issued a number of SSWs equal to 30% of the shares sold per 3.2.a above, at a price equal to the average price established by the IPO. Further, any s
mircea_popescu: ubsequent share issuance by S.NSA for any reason through any of the three avenues delineated under 3.2.b above will result in further SSWs being issued for Stanislav Datskovskiy, equal to 70% of the share issuance, as well as for Mircea Popescu, equal to 30% of the share issuance, with a price equal to the share price used in the share issuance.
mircea_popescu: from the ipo contract.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00671662 = 0.403 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12260001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5977 @ 0.00081459 = 4.8688 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600331 = 0.6003 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 885 @ 0.00108515 = 0.9604 BTC [+]
ozbot: M.I.A. recruits Julian Assange for New York concert |
nubbins`: hahaha
mircea_popescu: is this good ?
nubbins`: just odd
nubbins`: anyway, crazy saudi car stunts in this MIA video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uYs0gJD-LE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.7165 = 1.433 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [+]
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