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deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/california-ends-cash-bail-consigning-all-to-merciless-rubric/ << Qntra - California Ends Cash Bail Consigning All To Merciless Rubric
BingoBoingo: ^ Relatedly the California Health Department abolished "vagina" in favor of "front hole" while they further replaced "vulva" and "penis" with the now official in California term "parts"
BingoBoingo: Por favor, digalo donde hay dolor!
lobbes: mod6: ack
mircea_popescu: front hole lmao
mircea_popescu: vagina ain't the fucking vaginal opening. it's not a hole anymore the colon's a hole.
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: o hey there diana_coman !
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu et al
mircea_popescu: hello last fellow to have not seen ocelots.
asciilifeform: possibly next-to-last, iirc BingoBoingo not found ocelot yet
asciilifeform: tho i suspect he is closer to converging onto ocelot
mircea_popescu: didn't he have a purruana ?
asciilifeform: i picture her as gigantic guinea pig..
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i sell reconditioned tommyguns, cheap.
mircea_popescu: (inspired by http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n8dEh/?raw=true ; and let's welcome indian-bois-code to the 1990s superinformational public defecation highway!)
mircea_popescu: o look at that, they don't even manage to do it themselves! outsourced to russki tech support ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-azarov-6949903a here), JUST LIKE FIFTY YEARS AGO! holy shit india fails at lyfe.
asciilifeform: who was 'they'
mircea_popescu: whoever the fuck is trying to sell "Indian Sex Mms Free Download. Xxx Madhuri Video. Porn Sex India Video. Indian Schoolgirl Sex Tube" etc.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back @civilisation, https://78.media.tumblr.com/1f904d46d1f0b1dac4b936f3420350d7/tumblr_o622p9p1r01rlzk17o1_500.gif (because, of course, http://trilema.com/2018/vote-hilary-2020/ ; as ye olde romanian proverb goes, "for every hottie at the bar there's some dude somewhere sick and tired of her dumb ass" )
mircea_popescu: (ah, note also the greedily opening butthole. this happens, in girls that regularily take it up the ass, because sexuality, as a subjective psychological construct, as well as sexual function, as a matter of physiology, are both TRAINED BEHAVIOURS, and absolutely nothing else ; certainly not some kind of "path to truth" or "deeply genuine and unfalsifiable expression of the self" or any of that 1900s "reformist" protestant ov
mircea_popescu: erexcited nonsense. consequently -- if sex includes buttseks, the butt will open up during sex, just like dogs drool when hearing the bell, and through exactly the same mechanisms for exactly the same reasons.)
diana_coman: hello mircea_popescu , I already got Mocky's bot to fail once!
mircea_popescu: it sometimes fails for me too, but i've not yet been able to get enough of a fix on it to report something useful.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- it also produced in excess of a quarter bn base value of minerals for me!
mircea_popescu: i dub august the month of mircescu mining! MMM!
diana_coman: cool stuff
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i sell reconditioned tommyguns, cheap. << Sweet, apparently .45 ACP is hard to find around these parts though
mircea_popescu: (oh, also got me #1 and #5 in month top of pops! and #1 today! win!)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you just love it, btw, when all sorts of inept modern remakers of "prohibition era" have people machine gunned with the damned thing and then they ... walk ? or something like that ?
mircea_popescu has recently seen "the untouchables", a typically idiotic nonsenseyarn (with pre-america ending prettyboy costner). sean connery gets it well and good, and then proceeds to scramble about, his lungs 50% lead.
mircea_popescu: by VOLUME, i don't mean by fucking mass, that'd be a total blowout.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the armaments of the ATM refill crew are pretty armed with the rifles and submachine guns (apparently the ATM crews are organized as fireteams with specialists?)
mircea_popescu: pro tip : the thompson's a passible concrete cutter. it comes from the same mental era as http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog ; made by the same people for the same reasons, abandoned by the same cucks for the same reasons.
BingoBoingo: Well, when you gotta cut down non-Judeoist fanatics like the Japs... Gotta do what you gotta do
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i picture her as gigantic guinea pig.. << What puzzles me is that the hairless cultivars all seem to be in the pet trade. Due to their size you gotta defuzz the skin instead of skinning them lest they get to dry during cooking.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt -- i saw 'tommy' sold in shop in usa. but on closer look, turned out, it was a cruel mockery, they tore out insides and replaced with deliberately incompatible firing mechanism, so as to fire from closed bolt , per usg diktat
asciilifeform: ( but at least they kept the barrel, still ye olde 45-acp )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those are common "demilitarized" collectors items. In the 1990's the catalogs selling Mosin and cheap SKS were full of all sorts of otherwise cool (sten, uzi, etc) molested into uselessness
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it wasn't 'demilitarized' in the 'this is nao a hammer' sense, it fired (semi)
BingoBoingo: Pobre Tommicito
asciilifeform: i think the same people had a mutilated PPSH also
trinque recalls throwing around m1 garand's in high school, had lead poured down the barrel
asciilifeform: trinque: was museum piece or wat
trinque: jrotc drill team; we had a particularly traditional sergeant, wasn't going to have any of that plastic gun pussy shit
asciilifeform: they did this in su also. i still dunget why can't restore these to proper function -- yes melting out pb will destroy the temper on the barrel, but can go and re-anneal it
asciilifeform: all you need is induction heater, afaik, and oil bath
BingoBoingo: PhunPhact, USG still at least nominally has a program for selling surplus weapons to civilians http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/
asciilifeform: trinque: jrotc is pre-enlistment army school, neh ? and they drill with ceremonial rifle ?!
mircea_popescu: trinque here's the fun thing : you can actually clean those. contrary to what the idiots think, it's not "permanent" : lead becoms soft enough to push out long before the barel's actually fucked by the temp.
mircea_popescu: just need to machine a perfect rod for the barrel.
mircea_popescu: (the fundamental problem being that lead and iron don't alloy)
trinque: somebody oughta tell the kids next time there's a priceless artifact of the old south to defend
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most vintage small arms come with 'perfect rod' already , neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeh.
asciilifeform: i.e. the clean rod
asciilifeform: ro kalash certainly did
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending on how generous museum was with the pb, could be headache, say they filled entire barrel.
mircea_popescu: still comes out. need jeweler's pick and patience.
asciilifeform: desoldering iron with suction hose.
mircea_popescu: warm enough lead to be workable is not such a big deal, can hold i nhand with leather strap.
asciilifeform: it'll prolly remain in the rifling grooves tho
mircea_popescu: nah, you do what the washing machine does, by hand. your surfactant's prolly going to be a grease.
mircea_popescu: washing machines all over the nation routinely get "lead" out of "barrel".
mircea_popescu: cotton and mud, also don't alloy.
asciilifeform: if pb on fe behaves anyffing like eutectic pb/sn/ag solder over cu -- it dun alloy, but 'cold welds', some will remain.
mircea_popescu: nope. iron is very different nation from pb / ag / au / u line.
mircea_popescu: they don't like each other.
asciilifeform: certainly worth experiment
mircea_popescu: by all means!
mircea_popescu: iron likes chrome, and vanadium and those guys.
asciilifeform: i suspect that it is even possible to cheat, lower melting temp of the pb with (surprisingly cheap) gallium
mircea_popescu: lead likes tin and stibium and those guys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely, wasn't even getting into all of that.
mircea_popescu: but recall your own "remove bs solder through mixing" experiments
asciilifeform: worx a+++
asciilifeform: ( i added pb to 'pb-free' rubbish , to properly melt with ordinary irons . but same principle worx elsewhere, universally )
asciilifeform: same reason why salt is poured on icy road in winter.
mircea_popescu: "diffusion in warm solids". you should prolly phd :D
mircea_popescu: "what does warm mean ehre ?" "not zero." "zero what ?" "zero kelvin."
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack, to the barrels -- i suspect that the reason why nobody bothers with this procedure in usa, is that barrels are sold openly
mircea_popescu: possibly, yeah.
asciilifeform: ( they are not considered usg.speshul )
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845437 << "zero tolerance policy" for guns on school grounds.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-29 16:20 asciilifeform: trinque: jrotc is pre-enlistment army school, neh ? and they drill with ceremonial rifle ?!
mircea_popescu: just that makes it obvious they should be shot until they submit.
trinque: it was all perverse, had two sergeants and a colonel (retired) trying to make a proper boys academy in a public school
trinque: probably has degenerated further since then
mircea_popescu: the things people who decided "to work with the system" will try...
mircea_popescu: kinda reminescent of the classical abused wife portrait.
mircea_popescu: or, if one prefers, kinda reminescent of the "computer security" crowd. same thing, really.
trinque: certainly. most obvious example was they'd hit ya, make you do pushups in mud, etc., but there was a tacit "don't spoil things and cry to mother, who cries to superintendent"
trinque: fortunately disappointing enough that I didn't end up stomping around the desert or flying drones for a living
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that drone detail is considered 'cushy' , and reserved for necro-sexual trans-species black whatevers-in-wheelchair etc
trinque: lel, I thought this was what passed for "low-level commissioned officer" in chairforce these days
asciilifeform not up to date re subj
mircea_popescu: hey guise, i know how to to barrel rolls. i played some video games.
asciilifeform: lol what rolls, 'predator' is not aerial combat machine, it is air-to-ground wetwork machine
asciilifeform: reportedly they takeoff & land by comp, also. the monkey in the chair is ceremonial.
mats: usaf is crawling towards putting enlisted men into pilots seat due to personnel shortage
asciilifeform: mats: lol! what did they use'em for prior ? mopping floors ?
asciilifeform: gotta be a major or above, to fly ??
BingoBoingo: It's ok, they got Tome Cruise to make a sequel to Top Gun, never mind that is character would have hit the ceiling on career length and been forced out last decade
asciilifeform: they oughta make a 'bottom gun', about the life of the late mccain
trinque: speaking of gay.
asciilifeform: d00d accounted for, what , 26 planes from ~own~ side ??
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA, McCain and his soulmate Senator Lindsey Graham
asciilifeform: ( plus -- nearly -- a carrier )
mats: asciilifeform: not sure about the details but i wouldn’t be surprised if many pilots were at least 1LTs by the time they get out of training to actual unit
mats: since E1-4 and O1-3 are time gated ‘you’re not a fuckup here’s a promotion’ ranks
BingoBoingo was under the impression "warrant officer" ranks were kept around for helicopter folk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how pantsuit heroism works.
mats: usaf and army has different aviation culture
mircea_popescu: mccain needed MOST mother ? he's the best kid thereby!
mircea_popescu: anyway ; pilots were universally 2nd lts throughout jet golden era (60s to 80s say). this strictly for mats reason, got it upon completing academy.
asciilifeform: holyfuq, 'all pilots lieutenants' ?!
asciilifeform: srsly ?
asciilifeform: why not all generals ?
mats: airframe is very expensive, smelly privates can’t be trusted
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This was back when college degree still was a somewhat useful gatekeeper
BingoBoingo: Or at least percieved as such
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very strictly what he says : can't have grunt have this much $$$ assigned to him.
mircea_popescu: comments, as always, welcome!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the funny bit is that not only pilot can scrap the $$$ machine, but also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843688 d00d.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-22 21:38 asciilifeform: upstack re 'steal a boeing', recall the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-07#821351 fella ?
asciilifeform: the janitor is pilot too...
mircea_popescu: noncomissioned officers ? nah.
mats: by contrast, warrant officers fly their entire careers in usarmy, commissioned officers also fly but also get piped through command and staff billets
mats: this probably works better, commissioned officer ‘up or out’ promotions aren’t good for retaining pilots
BingoBoingo: Doing an alt-history retrospective I am starting to think that if I would have enlisted... Coast Guard would have been the way to go. Practice useful skills like boarding ships, they do that all the time. When's the last time the Marines boarded a shipp in anger?
mircea_popescu: the mariens are supposed to be amphibious landers not fuckingpirates.
mircea_popescu: but yes, if one's contemplating a cartman career in somalia, coast guard works.
mircea_popescu: also paying attention in basic arithmetics works.
mats: https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20171210.aspx if you’re interested in reading about the enlisted/officer pilot controversy
mircea_popescu: "losing the qualitative edge that has had the USAF dominating the air since 1945"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what the fuck.
mats: good times in teh best military in the world
Mocky: marines just get carried around by the navy, dun 'take ships'
asciilifeform: '...in the last half century only three U.S. Air Force pilots have become aces (five or more aircraft shot down). There may never be any more aces.'
mircea_popescu: this is such claptrap it seems researched by sasha baron cohen
mircea_popescu: do the airplanes also work better if they're pointy ?
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> marines just get carried around by the navy, dun 'take ships' << This meshes with one of my cousin's experiences in the corps. Spent 6 years alternating between being stored on boats and being stored on land
mircea_popescu: anyway ; there was never actually a time us pilots were remarkable. during the war raf dominated the east and by VERY far japan dominated the east (in fact, the "biologically unfit to fly" jap pilots were the best pilots of the war, hands down). even romania's royal air force had better pilots than fucking usaf, wtf. but anyway, it was mostly brits and germans.
mircea_popescu: and since then, gimme a break ? for one thing ro destroyed the entire nato force back 9in when was it, 2015 exercise. and for the other, soviets were always better ; and after a brief gap ru is certainly supreme over the usg's rust buckets, since at least 2010s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite possibly today's 'we control the vertical and horizontal!' delusional usaf, specifically begun in the days when jp ran out of modern machines ~and~ trained men, and pacific war turned into duck hunt
mircea_popescu: (this isn't to say ro is that good ; but the nato planes are shit, and the nato pilots even worse shit)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess.
BingoBoingo: Another counsin spent very little time one boats, bounced around between arctic and arizona with experience punctuated by "peacekeeping" in Balkans. His kid is latest to enlist because "acts out", didn't school good, and wtf else to do
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 18:52 mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of i won : the "i won because you're fucking stupid" and the "omfg i'm so cool i won". the latter never works out.
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
asciilifeform: jp ran out of ~errything, while usa was fielding 'hellcats' with engine the size of entire today's toyota
asciilifeform: but yes, in opening yr+ of war, jp cleaned floor with usa
asciilifeform: ( 'usaf' as such did not yet exist, it was 'army flying corps' and same in navy, iirc, different animals )
mircea_popescu: but throughout tenure us "ace pilot" consisted ~of "fly stratofortress, armored plane above aa range".
mircea_popescu: so no, the "current" problems aren't current but fucking sturctural. always was a conclave of cowards.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'ace pilot' was specifically re folx in 1seaters
asciilifeform: folx in bomber detail, never 'personally' credited with killing anyffing, afaik
mircea_popescu: point in case, "losing pilots to marriage stress". if you can't slap the bitch over that running mouth of hers, what the fuck are you going to do in the air ? shoot instagram posts ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah yeah. which is why the brits generally had to supply the cover.
Mocky: in the 90's all of the 'how to operate' tank training was in tanks and ~all the 'how to fight as effective tank platoon' was in shitty simulator. this for both army and marines. Makes me wonder about 'modern' pilot training
mircea_popescu: folk are broken in the fucking head ; just look at current mad max remake : a hot chick THAT IS NOT NAKED driving A TRUCK.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in su there was legend of at the very least 1 test pilot who flew mig29 vertically into ground , when wife left
asciilifeform: but no hard evidence that this happened, only folklore.
mircea_popescu: totally, that's how "postapocalyptic" works. moving barns and dressed women.
mircea_popescu: nobody will fucking drive ~the largest target that can be found~ in the middle of chaos, what the fuck. an ustard however will find this natural.
mircea_popescu: then they wanna know why obesity problem.
mircea_popescu: raf dominated the east << i mean, the west, of course.
asciilifeform: afaik there was no brit presence in pacific, tho. straight usa vs jp contest.
asciilifeform: ( with minor backstage role of australia iirc )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep.
mircea_popescu: no soviets in the east ; and no cn/kr/etc permitted to fly. for same "smelly" reason, i suspect. the koreans aren't all that bad these days.
mircea_popescu: (chinese, reportedly still fucking horrible; but then again maybe in time, it's not so far from prepubescent girly olympi-perisexual displays, and they sure mastered that)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: su did declare war on jp, but not until aug9
mircea_popescu: mats 100% of my us-"educated" slaves are in default. and will fucking stay in default.
mats: the editing isn’t very good, but my take is that 30% of borrowers have -at least- missed 3 payments over five years (‘students facing serious struggles’)
mircea_popescu: i have a good mind to start billing trump. "25 yo can't calculus"
mats: which is unreal. hundreds of billions in combined defaults and late payments
mircea_popescu: "oh, calculus isn't fgor everyone" "money -- also not for everyone. i'll take all yours now."
mircea_popescu: and yes the trend is agravating, 2000s born set will certainly "owe" more than 1995-2000 set which in turn about 100% more than 1990-1995 set and so fucking following.
mats: sad. kids waiting for their parents to die so they can move into their house
mircea_popescu: that's long past. parents mostly rent. and then there's medicare.
Mocky: then they will promptly take out a mortgage, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
asciilifeform: if parents 'own' house -- noprob, from usg's pov, will simply expropriate.
mircea_popescu: straight from whorse's mouth : "i thought doctor visits were free on obamacare. it doesn't even do that ?" "affordable care act got cancelled"
asciilifeform: nobody in nato reich owns worth shit.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure the "not a tax" tax however DIDNT get fucking cancelled. much like the spanish-american war DID get cancelled, but the tax on phone introduced "for" it is still there.
asciilifeform: not only still here, but regularly upped
mircea_popescu: gotta keep up with the costs of the spanis-american war!
mircea_popescu: i don't actually know any girls whose parents are cash-positive.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845577 << usg.mortgage is a device for separating salaried zeks (engineers, law, etc) from their 'excess' fat. not for millenial pauper to borrow against... what, exactly. (maybe organs?)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-29 17:49 Mocky: then they will promptly take out a mortgage, lol
mircea_popescu: maybe in the sense of, "currently solvent". but wealthy is not experimentally encountered.
mircea_popescu: so no, the "wait for parents to die", traditional euro-french strategy of the "age of enlightenment" as it were, nevertheless long in the tooth.
mircea_popescu: had a brief career in the us, but west coast only, and limited to post-gilded age dweebs only.
mircea_popescu: this is all long gone.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i mean ~east~ coast only.
mats: property inheritance lottery still in place in ca, due to prop 13
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking lottery. have better parents.
mircea_popescu: this fucking matters ; having shit parents makes one shittier than the alternative, and the fact that "There's nothing he can do about that" doesn't EXCUSE anything.
asciilifeform: have better ticket!11
mats rummages in closet
Mocky: pick better numbers!
mircea_popescu: hey*. lol.
Mocky: well not like a bunch of black dudes sayin 'wish my parents were white'... then some white kid would have been the son
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "wish in your left hand and piss in your right ; stop when one fills up and check out to see which it was!"
asciilifeform: 'oops i accidentally pissed in my left ventricle'
asciilifeform: err, wished
mircea_popescu: in other shocking news today, pissing more effectual than wishing in all fields and applications!
asciilifeform: sometimes moar effective tho, when yer stupid, and wishing for actively idiotic wisholade
asciilifeform: then pissing wins
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun subscribe to the model where folx who dun have a usg.'foundation' to meritwash their spawn into backdoor-inheriting meritwashed moneys, are 'shit parent'
asciilifeform: ( and this is the only type of inheritance that still worx in usgdom )
mircea_popescu: hey, let them buy bitcoin, i don't care how they go about it.
mircea_popescu: but parents who leave behind no owned slice of the world don't deserve a grave, and merit to spend eternity in shameland.
asciilifeform: can't exactly buy it for lolcoin ('real estate equity' and other fuffles) now can you.
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean no "sentimental" bullshit, either. casa quantu stai e tirrinu quantu viri.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zeks dun have 'owned slice', lol, thats what makes'em zeks
mircea_popescu: zeks don't need gravestones.
asciilifeform: phunphakt, gravestones already on their way out in usa, trend is to 'envir friendly' burials, with wooden stakes, paper flags, just like the old gulag
mircea_popescu: very adequate, imo.
asciilifeform: normal stones, see, cost dough. 10k or so, last i saw.
asciilifeform: ( why ? apparently some co has a quasi-monopoly . how this is possible, is beyond me , but seems to be troo )
mircea_popescu: can always make your own.
mircea_popescu: and THIS is why : average zek can't, because average zek not person, inhuman, can't do anything like ghosts can't do anything.
asciilifeform: bahahanope. see, just like in life ustards have 'homeowner association' that prohibits wrong colour paint of house...
mircea_popescu: which is how the 10k is arrived at,
asciilifeform: in graveyard -- same !
asciilifeform: gotta buy 'approved' stone.
asciilifeform: all of ustardism is structured this way.
asciilifeform: if you send spawn to 'uncertified' school, yer a criminal, if bury parent in uncertified tomb, also criminal, if... well errybody already knows, i think
asciilifeform: the only part of the system that doesn't make any sense to asciilifeform , is why the soldiers, raped raw regularly with e.g. retro-revoked bonuses, deployments to goatfuckistans with 0 strategy beyond 'clear mines with own feet', etc -- continue to prop up the inca
asciilifeform: rather than cutting throats
Mocky: the ones who couldn't be 'trained not to question' failed training
asciilifeform: Mocky: us army is not waffen ss tho. visit a base, it's full of the typical 'i hate my job' schmuck that you meet anywhere else, construction sites, mines, wherever
mircea_popescu: noncitizen soldiery. which is why all the "usarmy provided training and logistical support" etc.
mircea_popescu: kinda useless dweebs.
asciilifeform: afaik not enuff mexicans to make serious diff, yet
asciilifeform: most of army still 'red state'
asciilifeform: folx like BingoBoingo's brothers or whoever.
Mocky: asciilifeform, 'i hate my job' is the internalization of the problem, opposite of questioning
mircea_popescu: citizen means he who can lynch and annul court cases, not he who's just tryna make it.
asciilifeform not been in usa army. but did work as non-liveried specialist with their medical corps, for some yrs, so got an -- admittedly coloured -- look at one organ of the beast, from inside
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> folx like BingoBoingo's brothers or whoever. << Not brothers, cousins. Brothers are dentist and utility pole engineer respectively
Mocky was marine corps tank driver in reserves, was active duty for some months on army base
asciilifeform: Mocky: ask him some time why don't the tank corps at ft knox storm the inner fort and expose the fdr sham.
asciilifeform: ( yes they have the nominal home of the fdr-confiscatola ~inside~ tank corps school )
Mocky: I never saw it while there, rumored to be there tho
asciilifeform: Mocky: it is physically small
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, moar seekrecy around subj than ~anyffing outside of perhaps nsa crypto directorate
asciilifeform: ( or cia cocaine directorate )
Mocky: ~everyone coming though the gates is wondering where it is
asciilifeform: who guards, with what, where -- ~entirely unknown
mircea_popescu: moreover, whether it cost more in guarding than it was worth, since it's been a while ?
asciilifeform: the au may be in beijing , but the bezzle-au still safely stored at knox..
a111: Logged on 2018-08-29 18:24 asciilifeform: Mocky: ask him some time why don't the tank corps at ft knox storm the inner fort and expose the fdr sham.
asciilifeform: Mocky: ah lol i misread
asciilifeform: got OR'd with BingoBoingo's line in my head
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'than it's worth' is complicated -- how much is worth the seekret of 'usg has 0 au' ?
asciilifeform: evidently the derps themselves, think >0
mircea_popescu: secret someone has something is worth the finder's fee, which is why it's called that. 10%.
mircea_popescu: 10% of nothing is...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you were the one who wrote about that one mountain in ro
mircea_popescu: (if it's not worth 0 to you, you just got a fix of your value to the usg! that's how much zek tack you're carrying)
asciilifeform: with the unknown 'but thought large' pile of au in it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i personally dun give even nanofuck whether knox contains megatonne of au, or 0, or nixon's used condom from when he was permitted inside.
mircea_popescu: just saying, the value of showing negatives is very much jealous wife interest.
asciilifeform: but if somehow item seeing sunlight would help hitler to die -- then i'd like to see it .
mircea_popescu: we do this cyclical "i don't understand why figment of my imagination is something i imagine" "because you do" "but what sort of worship do i owe figment of my imagination ?" "none" "what about waking every morning at 5 and saying figment don't exist in a hoarse voice ?" "nope"
mircea_popescu: and so onnnnn.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so the classical model where 'they have a box with possibly 0, but the 0 not known for certain, so they can borrow from beijing against $box' entirely off ?
mircea_popescu: "borrow". chinese ppls give them freebies. what, i know a guy named shaun who has a girl who's not a whore who he lends money to now and again.
asciilifeform: why , i still dunget, would they do this.
asciilifeform: ( would you do this, if you were gensek of cn ?? )
mircea_popescu: well who the fuck knows. nobody understands chinese -- not even the speakers.
asciilifeform: i certainly do not.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, if you suspect it's an actual economic transaction, fill your own empty box with nothing, go see if it works.
mircea_popescu: economy means some trings, strictly. if it's not substitutable it's not economical.
asciilifeform: the old (nao mostly dead) institution of zek mortgage, was exactly this tho
asciilifeform: a miniature version of same 'sacrament', for plebes, as usg itself partakes in
mircea_popescu: if it ever worked that way, it was back in the 50s, when under pressure from soviet union free housing and moreover http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-04#1831653
a111: Logged on 2018-07-04 16:24 mircea_popescu: as far as uneducated, "hard" ustardian kids were concerned, the dilemma stood between stories of killing injuns and "building a civilisation out of a wilderness" by then two generations expired, or else ~kids just like them actually doing it~, driving motorcycles through the endless dusts of the middle earth and erecting oil pumping metropolises across the siberia.
mircea_popescu: not really prior or hence.
asciilifeform: but noshit , it aint 'economic transaction', it's a throne <-> peasant transaction, quod licet iovi non licet bovi (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: and yes pressure from su was the thing holding the insanity of fdr.usg into some semblance of sense.
asciilifeform: after removed -- began to bloat and leak , like those deep oceanic fishes.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mircea_popescu: well, maybe the cn dun wanna provide the same pressure, as a free service.
mircea_popescu: note that for all the "free money!!!" the usg doesn't get any GOOD SHIT. it just gets the plasticars that they don't really want or need anyway, but not http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 17:22 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
asciilifeform: ( as BingoBoingo & mircea_popescu already noted ) anybody would have to be tired of living, to share weaponizables with usg
asciilifeform: or even to share vaccine ~only for chicken~
asciilifeform: ( why, so usg can pack the debeaked birds even tighter, breed new pathogens ? )
asciilifeform: the longer the usg show goes on , the moar intricately irreversible horrors will be born. which is why i do not buy worth one shit the hypothesis of 'wisdom of forward-looking wise 5000yr china' . they're civilization of the ant, 0 values but 'wealth' of the most immediate pov.
hanbot: mircea_popescu : got it.
lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 1 hour and 11 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lQzIk/?raw=true
asciilifeform: general electric, for instance, is hard at work on setting up 'next fukushima' in post-sov east europistan. bulgaria, ukrs, ro, close contestants for the eventual sr90 medal.
asciilifeform: will be blamed, of course, on su.
asciilifeform: 'how dare uppity orcs build reactors'
asciilifeform: as for '5000yr wisdom of china', i'd at least consider to take it seriously if they, say, quit running microshit.
asciilifeform: ( ru , persia, et al, all fail likewise this litmus )
asciilifeform: first kingdom where they ban microshit , where will it be ? ( and can i buy ticket ! )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845694 << 'good shit' is not the only way to spend proceeds of plunder & theft -- can also spend like heroin addict, on staving off 'cold turkey'. which is what usg does, i.e. supplies 300M office plankton with cheap petrol, plastic house, plastic car.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-29 18:48 mircea_popescu: note that for all the "free money!!!" the usg doesn't get any GOOD SHIT. it just gets the plasticars that they don't really want or need anyway, but not http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236
mircea_popescu: this ant theory doesn't stand ; they found the symmetries, much like arabs and french.
BingoBoingo: Hey, USG.petrol is still very expensive compared to tropical VZLA.Maduro petrol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this much is troo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why i have fundamental ??? re cn, it dun fit in any box i can think of to date
asciilifeform: possibly consists of >1 cuttable entities , that would fit, but i do not know what they are yet.
mircea_popescu: sadly fits in the box of "managed to produce >10mn hussies 16 years ago, none of which are sharp enough to pick up easy money here"
asciilifeform: this also
asciilifeform: ( or did it produce ? maybe zapped, during 'one child' period ?? )
mircea_popescu: >10mn 15 years ago also. and 17 and 19 and so forth.
asciilifeform: for all i know, they managed to birth only 100k for all 3.
mircea_popescu: hmm, fuck me, i'm wrong. they only make about 17mn or so a year, both genders. for some reason i tought moar like 25.
asciilifeform: nuland already strapped, i suppose, in parachute, waiting.
mircea_popescu: that's ~1 btc lol.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a very specific prophecy re '1 btc ~= 1 chix'
mircea_popescu: think, we could buy china's entire production of abducted baby for like... a decade
mircea_popescu: yet somehow can't find a SINGLE chick smart enough to figure out gpg.
asciilifeform: it prolly aint lang barrier -- recall, they saw phuctor and translated, correctly, and even avoided swallowing boeck etc
asciilifeform: ( and, also recall, they ran uncle al's eotvos experiment... )
asciilifeform: as i gather, they treat the anglos similarly to how tmsr -- take anyffing not bolted down, but do not hurry to give back.
mircea_popescu: "language barrier" is another word for stupid.
asciilifeform: or lazy ?
asciilifeform: and which one are we , i for instance haven't learned cn yet
mircea_popescu: i suspect i might be too stupid to appreciate chinese "lang".
asciilifeform: interestingly, jp -- tho saddled with same nonsense -- started work on phasing out hieroglyphs. the run is that they started in , what, 700 a.d., and still not finished
asciilifeform: *the rub
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in my case problem greatly compounded by failure to find sexually interesting chinese girl.
asciilifeform: i recall aha
asciilifeform: maybe the pill , is , daughters of euro folk working in cn
asciilifeform: these gotta exist, somewhere
mircea_popescu: meh, 2nd hand. never works. i didn't learn sicilian from "italian government girl from rome working in palermo" either.
asciilifeform: not speaking of nulands, but of folx who grew up in cn, side by side with the aboriginals
mats: lol
asciilifeform: mats: what, unicorn, never yet seen ?
asciilifeform: or what am i missing
mats: i thought the aboriginals was funny s'all
mats: i've met people like that, e.g. kids of missionaries, their chinese skills were well regarded at my church
mats: draws a crowd
BingoBoingo: Hard to tell if that's a very complete Chinese language though.
mats: well, chinese church, and their accent was very good
mircea_popescu would count girl born in china chinese, if she lived there, sure.
BingoBoingo: Eh, if you go to live anywhere a new language is spoken your accent can outrun acquiring finess in the language.
mats: thats true
mircea_popescu: but consider the german of https://8ch.net/fascist/res/185.html#185 "I feel like my German translation is shit today. It's been a year since I've been in Europe and approaching six months plus of no classes"
mircea_popescu: even when applied to something as campbell-soup-can as strasser's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : strass is how you say "cheap fake", even today, even in romanian.
mircea_popescu: (mostly because what's known (because marketed, duh) as "swarovski" today was bohemian crystal back in the days of my childhood, when 5-10lb fruit bowls of the stuff were commonly gifted ; but before that... it was strass
mircea_popescu: they even have strass.com!
Mocky: tiny blue 'my little pony' car pulled into the spot next to me, damn these things are small. I've seen before, i suppose many times but this one even had a gnome hop out and scurry off to the market.
Mocky: and then on the way home traffic jam due to moped rider who not only unable to maintain 30 in a 45, but also (as seen when I finally passed him) had mirrors *taped* on, and not even with duck tape but with medical tape
Mocky: makes me wonder if bingoboingostan is like this
BingoBoingo: Mocky: We don't really have traffic here
mircea_popescu: anyway, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845690 and to continue http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713741 : the russian economy was actually just about larger than that of france and england COMBINED in the first portion of the 19th century.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-29 18:39 asciilifeform: and yes pressure from su was the thing holding the insanity of fdr.usg into some semblance of sense.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:29 mircea_popescu: that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today.
mircea_popescu: yes "stalin industrialized" ; but much like "napoleon reformed", he didn't follow upon an empty lot. lotta mazarin work for the king went into the preparatory phase.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: But yes lots of low power two wheel motor vehicles here, but they tend to go just as fast as everyone else. Most people with cars drive Uber to offset the cost, most with motocicletas do food deliveries
BingoBoingo: Busses and people parking on side streets are the major causes of traffic congestion here to the extent it exists
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845760 << good thing you and the other dads got together, pooled your house mortgages or w/e, and lent him 100k to go to college.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-29 20:40 Mocky: and then on the way home traffic jam due to moped rider who not only unable to maintain 30 in a 45, but also (as seen when I finally passed him) had mirrors *taped* on, and not even with duck tape but with medical tape
Mocky: ha!
mircea_popescu just watched "the ice storm", is slightly pissy nobody in there made cristina ricci take off her top.
mircea_popescu: I VLAME 70S AMERICA!
mircea_popescu: blame, also.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how i thought scrub is a daytime tv drama franchise, wtf, it's a shop now too ?! here's what "see also" imgur recommends for me : https://imgur.com/gallery/z1TSZ6D
mircea_popescu: i like the "If you see someone wearing a motorcycle helmet have an accident, DO NOT pull their helmet off for any reason. By all means, loosen the chin strap, but leave the helmet on and let the paramedics or doctors deal with it. You don’t know what that helmet is holding together"
mircea_popescu: "Once the shockwave passes over you, you need to find shelter immediately and stay sheltered under as much concrete and steel as possible for 48 hours—this is critical" << this is terrible advice lol. metal cover for shelter more dangerous than the explosion itself. Bremsstrahlung ftw.
mircea_popescu: " At somepoint escalating incidents of being called her adorable hog while getting my belly lovingly jiggled" AAAAAhahahaha!!1
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re " She also tries to get me to give running a try" << it is a shameful state for an adult male to not be able to outrun&overtake ~any female of sexual interest age.
asciilifeform: what did the chix do to BingoBoingo !... when i saw him, was pure muscle, like wolf
mod6: asciilifeform: plz to take a look at hanbot's question in #p
asciilifeform: mod6: answrd
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm on a travel box atm so i dun see things in entirely realtime, apologies for the wait
mod6: np at all, totally understand.
mod6: !!sent-invoices
mod6: !!ledger
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