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ckang: terminal is finally catching up, I can see them in Terminal.app, some but not the newest ones
ckang: but it really messes up monospaced stuff
trinque: > SIGN OF THE HORNS
trinque: ahahaha
ckang: mircea_popescu: how can I return this 0.02 ?
mircea_popescu: ckang well, tell her the place's not going anywhere.
ckang: just do another transfer or void it?
mircea_popescu: ckang you can just !!pay mircea_popescu 0.02
ckang: !!pay mircea_popescu 0.02
ckang: !!v 5E5B679908D7B4FEB4A78A2889C88580257875B15272262A7E840FDAF539AFA9
deedbot: ckang paid mircea_popescu 0.02
mircea_popescu: trinque i have nfi o.O
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea she has free time during the day and is normally wondering somewhere around the internet, new to irc though
mircea_popescu: pretty cool this whole payments stuff huh.
ckang: yea, wild stuff, i honestly didnt believe douchebag
ckang: Hmmm
ckang: TomServo sounds familiar
mircea_popescu: !!up cassidy3
deedbot: cassidy3 voiced for 30 minutes.
ckang: maybe from a forum, its itching my brain
mircea_popescu: do you know how to voice yourself cassidy3 ?
lobbes: ckang you could say it is a -mystery-
mircea_popescu: o lol i hadn't rated her.
ckang: its going to bother me until I remember, I know that lol
mircea_popescu: !!rate cassidy3 1 go-go dancer girl
ckang: i thought go-go dancing died with disco
mircea_popescu: hey, if punk is alive, how could disco have died.
ckang: i suspect they might have just renamed it to 'electronic'
ckang: i wanted to go to ultra but stuff came up, oh well
trinque is well past his psychedelics til sunrise phase
ckang: haha, well, its more manageable with the right titration ;)
ckang: ive never had a bad time with psychedelics+girls+music
phf: mircea_popescu: i've loaded a newer version of unicode definitions, so now it recognizes all this new junk too
trinque: night all.
mod6: ni ni
ckang: im feeling you there, got me yawning by saying that
phf: laters
mircea_popescu: phf how much memory is this wasting now ?
phf: mircea_popescu: insignificant, couple of megs maybe. not anything i noticed by just looking at top's output
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought it was 150
phf: i was just throwing numbers around, but once i measured it
mircea_popescu: WOMAN EMOJI MODIFIER FITZPATRICK TYPE-5 ZERO WIDTH JOINER SCALES VARIATION SELECTOR-16 << evident improvement.
mircea_popescu: dat fitzpatrick type-5
phf: i think we had the jokes going here at some point, of embedding a complete "princess maker" as a concatenative unicode language
mircea_popescu: از رفته قلم هیچ دگر‌گون نشود وز خوردن غم بجز جگرخون نشود گر در همه عمر خویش خونابه خوری یک قطره از آن که هست افزون نشود
mircea_popescu: you know this is actually pretty great.
mircea_popescu: 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院。
mircea_popescu: oya. kudos phf
phf: i'm thinking i'll, if i want to do some leisure coding, extend it with a couple of language specific romanizations. russian's there, but chinese and arabic might be a good idea
TomServo: ckang: As lobbes hinted, Mystery Science Theater 3000. A commonly ripped off name, I've discovered. http://www.yuchtar.com/Tom.jpg
mircea_popescu: phf it's already a great help as it is, but sure.
ckang: TomServo: ahhh okay, this one is from a forum, so probably ripped
ckang: If you guys want to test unicode
ckang: i have a the perfect ascii
ckang: perfect in the sense if something handles it wrong you will know quickly
ckang: btw mircea_popescu, what hours are you normally around here?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, whenever i feel like it.
ckang: i knew another girl that was interested but she works and is in school
ckang: but no worries ill just look if you are around and she can wait ;p
ben_vulpes: so here's a wonder: apache for some reason takes 2.2 seconds to serve an mp-wp file that nginx can cough up in ten ms; even though both are nominally passing the same files over to php fpm pools
mircea_popescu: the devil is in the configs.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, nginx is not actually better ; or at least wasn't, as of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505137
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 19:33 mircea_popescu: anyway. in practice there's also nginx, which i doubt is any better ; and i don't foresee our writing of a web server right nao.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 00:24 mircea_popescu: apache is a piece of shiot. so is nginx. so is everytrhiong else.
ben_vulpes: nginx is screamingly fast out of the box for this type of setup, but does not support .htaccess files which the wordpress folks tell me are very important
ben_vulpes: this is a 100x slowdown for handing some files over to a running php setup; i gotta be doing this entirely incorrectly
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thanks for the pointer but none of that helped
mircea_popescu: well, can't really be helped blindly, you'll have to look into its logs / status report and see wtf it's doing.
ben_vulpes: looking for how to turn performance information up now
ben_vulpes: heh i worked in the belly of a magento thing that served in 2.3s and that was a victory
mircea_popescu: anyway, for your peace of mind, it's definitely not apache itself. it serves trilema actually faster than nginx on internal testing, especially so under heavy load. (which there can mean > 100 req/s)
ben_vulpes: mildly pacifying, ty
ben_vulpes: it is within a hair of intepreted speeds; which is driving me up a wall
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how is your apache plugged into php? mod_php with graybeard grease or?
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jLBq6/?raw=true << typical; still working to increase verbosity
ben_vulpes: but allll of the time is in the fcgi connection looks like; which makes me wonder is it buffering the entire response before then handing it off to the client, and would that even slow things down?
ckang: you need nginx+php-fpm to yield the true benefits
ckang: performance wise, specially with ttfb + magento
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes afaik ; but if you have a specific question (ie, in bash form) i can prolly answer.
mircea_popescu: anyway, using fcgi is probably not ideal -- there's for instance a recurring 500 error / resource leak issue associated.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's very likely the cause of your delay.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-02 12:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678460 << how about we roll the boot time ( to shell!! ) of your cmachinekernel, how about?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile otherplaces, "Into pregnant chicks? You've come to the right place. I'm newly single and am ready to finally really try to explore the vast world of kink."
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally, "newly single pregnant female" is a thing. it doesn't collapse to "idiot", oh, no.
mircea_popescu: !!up david_francois
deedbot: david_francois voiced for 30 minutes.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795174 <-- I wrapped those into pre tags, but it seems they got parsed anyway. replacing all < with &lt; and crossing my fingers; but if mp-wp has some other way of rendering math, lemme know.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 01:31 mircea_popescu: spyked prolly it included <
mircea_popescu: spyked iirc it barfs on << ; lt replacement should do it.
mircea_popescu: trinque try again at your leisure ?
mircea_popescu: spyked answered ; by looking at feed i see you got a <5 minute reply (05:52 to 09:03). so go me!
david_francois: mircea_popescu: ty! just playing a bit with my IRC setup
phf: !!ratings david_francois
phf: !!reputation david_francois
phf: oh, nm, i missed the up in the logs, and thought it was missing from the logs altogether
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit look at that. wtf, twitter's going to the dogs, they've not banned BingoBoingo ?! << It's one of those bot accounts. I don't do anything with the account. It is all bot.
mod6: They did suspend you for a brief time didn't they?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Sure, then I intervened to click through a couple forms and the bot was back
BingoBoingo: !!up david_francois
deedbot: david_francois voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: david_francois: I noticed on of your trb nodes is perenially 100,000 blocks behind. Consider building a new bitcoind with either the asciilifeform or ben_vulpes aggression patches. Vastly improved sync behavior.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aok; i'm baffled as to why throwing a file to the running php process for evaluation would be so slow under apache but not nginx; but mod_php looks to be The Right Thing
david_francois: david_francois: yeah, i got a new server with a SSD raid, I'm planning on getting a update TRB node there, which should be more reliable
david_francois: BingoBoingo: ^
BingoBoingo: david_francois: Sweet
mod6: david_francois: hey, good deal, thx!
mod6: BingoBoingo: no worries. i agree though. f twitter.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/us-destroyer-and-russian-warplanes-engage-in-intimate-activities-in-syrian-waters/ << Qntra - US Destroyer And Russian Warplanes Engage In Intimate Activities In Syrian Waters
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/labor-unrest-in-germany-throws-german-schedules-into-shambles/ << Qntra - Labor Unrest In Germany Throws German Schedules Into Shambles
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "agitate"
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
ben_vulpes: pffff six percent pay raise
ben_vulpes: quit fucking around and implement ubi already
BingoBoingo: More like watermelon and fried chikkken piknic
ben_vulpes: no wait hang on i don't have enough btc for that yet
BingoBoingo: Give it time eventually any BTC will be enough btc when the rest of the world shits the bed
mod6: ^
trinque: !~later tell mircea_popescu now getting a timeout
trinque: well fuck, that bot's gone?
ben_vulpes: again, even
BingoBoingo: !Q works with lobbesbot
trinque: !Qlater tell mircea_popescu now getting a timeout
lobbesbot: trinque: The operation succeeded.
trinque: ty BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: lobbes wouldja put a vwap quoter in your bot please
lobbes: I attempted to slap a gribble instance up on pizarro shell last night, but hit a roadblock trying to get 'tcl' working locally (sqlite3 makefile, which gribble depends on, will not run without tcl apparently)
ben_vulpes: ah lobbes getting into the ol open source slap and tcl
jurov: !!up maximian
deedbot: maximian voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: hexchat 0day
douchebag: Do not use hexchat or anything with libpcre on 4.13.3
jurov: douchebag: sauce?
douchebag: ill have a PoC in a bit
ben_vulpes: > douchebag sauce
jurov: he found it himself?
douchebag: first one in 0x04
douchebag: My friend is pissed though
douchebag: these guys stole his hexchat 0day
douchebag: before he even made P0C
douchebag: don't know why I made that 1337speak
ben_vulpes: jurov: i found that combination of words entertaining is all
jurov: to finish off that ascii art took him too much time, i guess
jurov: there's no meat there
jurov: no meat no sauce
ben_vulpes: my eyes bled
jurov: ben_vulpes: it prolly needs some 1337hipster font
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795630 << the particular module you chose tears down and rebuilts the whole php interpreter on each call. it's ~exactly~ like rebooting your "virtual machine" after every bash line and wondering why is bash so slow.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:40 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aok; i'm baffled as to why throwing a file to the running php process for evaluation would be so slow under apache but not nginx; but mod_php looks to be The Right Thing
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 1 hour and 55 minutes ago: <trinque> now getting a timeout
mircea_popescu: trinque weirdballs. ima see wtf.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nuts
trinque: and now back to prior error actually.
trinque shrugs
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's actually better in some very limited circumstances not similar to your needs.
ckang: what error?
ckang: have some experience with php-fpm/nginx
mircea_popescu: ckang unrelated convo. there's a lot of subtext and whatnot going on in #trilema.
ben_vulpes: ckang: different thread
ckang: ah
ben_vulpes: ckang: nginx is out for reasons of beloved clients want to use .htaccess files
ckang: oh boo
ckang: magento?
mircea_popescu: nginx is not actually better for your usecase ; but worse. its notable strength sits with static content, where it actually outperforms apache. otherwise, it's generally not worth the time, even if some of the nuttier bored greybeards will set it up as a reverse proxy in lieu of a proper cache / buying more fucking machine to serve the static parts only.
ben_vulpes: nah mircea_popescu's wordpress
mircea_popescu: "how to spend a grand to save two dimes"
ckang: with magento atleast, there are substantial improvements over apache/mod_php, fairly substantial too
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am looking forward to sharing the mod_php numbers and comparing them against the nginx php-fpm numbers
mircea_popescu: should make a nice blog article huh.
ckang: theres a whitepaper
ckang: on this exact subject too if you wanted to see
ben_vulpes: ckang: don't ask to link just link lol
mircea_popescu: ckang link, rather than offer, that way people might click.
ckang: sure
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795641 << pait out of what, monetized chinese tarrifs on united states Only Remaining (ie, agricultural) products ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 17:09 ben_vulpes: quit fucking around and implement ubi already
ben_vulpes: unless it's some webservercoin whitepaper in which case please no
mircea_popescu: that's the elephant in the room : the only remaining valid export of the us is === what argentina exports. nobody cares for the farts, but they'll buy the soy.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a) germany b) teh deficit!
ben_vulpes: ubi's the best horse in the state-bankrupting race atm; right up there with a brand new war
mircea_popescu: if the us could live by spending german coin it'd be like i could live by digesting my own poop.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i was saying that germany should give up and do ubi.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck do the ecb "money" come from if not the fucking fed ?
ben_vulpes: as they were the subj of the linked paper.
mircea_popescu: oh oh. afaik they do.
mircea_popescu: you must not be white male though.
ben_vulpes: clearly not enough of it if everyone wants another 6% this year
ben_vulpes: shit i want another six percent too, who can i fire
mircea_popescu: everyone has to want another 6% lol. it's like wanting a new couch and curtains in the older "economic" model integrating the whitegoods.
mircea_popescu: "smart dishwasher wants 6% whereas bio-dishwasher wants new couch"
ckang: page 4
mircea_popescu: ckang holy shit they put a pdf on a wordpress blog ?
ckang: but i dont think this is the one im thinking of
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795655 << why aren;t you running the trinquebot ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 19:00 lobbes: I attempted to slap a gribble instance up on pizarro shell last night, but hit a roadblock trying to get 'tcl' working locally (sqlite3 makefile, which gribble depends on, will not run without tcl apparently)
asciilifeform: in other noose, highest grade of anti-usg glittery polish, softbanned (absent from stores)
asciilifeform: ( what grade ? the kind with 'baccilae', i.e. visible multicoloured rods )
mircea_popescu: no way ?!
asciilifeform: well i can only speak for this loc
asciilifeform: spot survey of shops.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i want you to be prepared with laptop and camera to document the landing of this nut. it'll prolly be like the 1st coming of technojesus.
asciilifeform: this is not a calamity, or anyffing, can still create it here, just needs a bit of mixin'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe the sluts lost interest. this is nail polish yes ?
asciilifeform: correct
asciilifeform: ( for n00b readers -- folk recipe is traditional, dating to the dawn of cheap digital photo afaik, and certainly not asciilifeform's invention )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i want you to be prepared with laptop and camera to document the landing of this nut. it'll prolly be like the 1st coming of technojesus. << Puede ser
mircea_popescu: "use cotton solvent and centrifugal separator to remove the rods from 100 dollar bills, then mix into plain nailpaint after having taken down the bill serials"
asciilifeform: lol that'd rock, betcha someone would buy
asciilifeform: iirc there are voodoo shops with 'dollar oil'.
mircea_popescu: omfg oglaf went behind the night curtain ;/
asciilifeform: sslism ? aha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On that note do you want me to meet you at the airport or how is this working?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have a car reserved, will ping you from hotel after properly slept
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: baww i never even noticed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: will reactivate travel key some time tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Aite, so roughly what time should I be expecting contact?
asciilifeform: saturday
BingoBoingo: Watch out for the mopeds
mircea_popescu: ckang i don't get why they construct their communications in this nonsensical manner. i'm 20% in still haven't fished an inkling of sense.
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea this isnt the one im thinking of, it was some years back as well
mircea_popescu: is that #superbowl on freenode ?
ckang: so it could be dated info, but a few years back we moved a lot of customers from apache to nginx and saw a fairly substantial drop in TTFB
ckang: its on supernets
ckang: also, dont ever join #5000
mircea_popescu: why is that ?
BingoBoingo: <ckang> so it could be dated info, but a few years back we moved a lot of customers from apache to nginx and saw a fairly substantial drop in TTFB << Eh, darkhttpd ftw
ckang: heh, well, if you want to witness it, try on a spare ircclient its fun ;)
ckang: remember antifuck.pl ?
mircea_popescu: actually, no.
ckang: basically it joins you to 5000 channels
ckang: once you join
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i have a car reserved, will ping you from hotel after properly slept << Also probably ought to warn you. The pedestrians are VERY accustomed to cars stopping for them.
mircea_popescu: ckang what client permits this ?
ckang: all
ckang: unless you are running antifuck
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not driving it personally, lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AH
mircea_popescu: pedestrians are accustomed to cars stopping for them everywhere, wtf.
BingoBoingo: I thought maybe after the pizzaro stuff you'd be taking off to Cabo Polonia to view the lobos marinos and nature
mircea_popescu: here, pedestrians are also very accustomed to WALKING ALONG THE HIGHWAY, and do not see why they should wear anything besides dark colors at night.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno how much sight-seeing i will get in; long list of things to do in the cage
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pedestrians are accustomed to cars stopping for them everywhere, wtf. << In the sense of myself waiting on the corner to cross a street and... drivers fuck up traffic trying to wave me across when their stopping does nothing for cars heading the other direction
BingoBoingo: How many days do you have down here?
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's even more annoying than the "door holding" behaviours of autistic kids.
ckang: lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: blasting off the next thurs. early am.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a guarantee you will get to see some of the city
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo depends if he decides he needs... i dunno, a pair of pliers, and it turns out montevideo dun have any.
asciilifeform: pliers definitely needed, bringing own
phf: "second container is lathe"
mircea_popescu: i wasn't presuming to actually name whatever magical instrument will be missing ; but merely medicine tactics.
BingoBoingo: Well, only one way to find out if the city doesn't have and that way is sightseeing
douchebag: !!up cassidy3
deedbot: cassidy3 voiced for 30 minutes.
cassidy3: heya
mircea_popescu: how goes cassidy3
cassidy3: My bitcoin did not come through yet :C
cassidy3: im doing pretty goood...i didnt get it tho
mircea_popescu: trinque i got a <deedbot> mircea_popescu paid cassidy3 0.02 ; you on it ?
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 technically, it's still just 23 hours, so bear with teh system.
cassidy3: oki!
asciilifeform: and earlier some d00d was complaining re mpex withdrawal -- but for some reason in kako's chan, not here
trinque: I got it; douchebag's endless well of women sprung while I was doing surgery to the airgap box.
cassidy3: oki great!!! around when should I see it go through...?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795667 << eggog 4 is a null ptr deref. i.e. just about never usefully exploitable.
asciilifeform: ergo snore.
asciilifeform: ( the operative text, so that nobody else is stuck sifting through that pile o' rubbish : ' hexchat[30394]: segfault at 7f0ca6862199 ip 00007f0ca67a5993 sp 00007ffd83fab310 error 4 in libpcre.so.3.13.3[7f0ca678b000+70000] ' )
a111: Logged on 2014-02-17 16:47 asciilifeform: [5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
a111: Logged on 2014-10-24 23:15 asciilifeform: kernel: patch[28805]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000403f35 sp 00007fffbc2fc8e0 error 4 in patch[400000+26000]
a111: Logged on 2015-01-23 04:24 asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
trinque: y'know, if every chick that comes through withdraws her coin immediately, she's being paid ~USD~ for tits.
trinque: not that it makes much difference to me.
trinque: cassidy3: couple of hours or so, probably sooner
ben_vulpes: trinque: assuming she goes and sells it
trinque: yes, I am assuming that
cassidy3: what do u suggest doing with it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point him this way.
ben_vulpes: i prefer the conspiracy theory that douchebag has the fiverr hustle down: 20 bucks to show up and show your tits!
ben_vulpes: and then he pockets the btc
trinque: entirely possible; I'm just telling cassidy3 here to hold onto her coin a while, and buy a house in 2020, or w/e she likes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did; so far no answer.
asciilifeform: trinque: didjaknow, at one time they gave out btc to a buncha starving sad folx, and ~0 of'em kept it. this was, of course, '90s ru
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's my understanding that segfaults reported by the runtime in libraries are not customarily items that actually occuredf there, but merely were caught there incorrect ?
asciilifeform: and not btc but privatization-shares
asciilifeform: but roughly same result
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of the cited examples are 'error 4' i.e. nullptr deref
asciilifeform: ( kernel traps attempt to read from addr 0 , marks separately from any generic out-of-process attempt of r/w )
mircea_popescu: yes, but if i deref twice a pointer provided by alflib, will runtime say "idiot, you deref'd" or will it say "error 4 in alflib" ?
mircea_popescu: because some guy in there was complaining of what it also looked to me like : "you demonstrated program can corrupt its own heap"
trinque: cassidy3: what wallet are you using? all of the withdrawals I have here are for 3 addresses, which leads me to believe you're using some "multisig" webshit as a wallet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma demonstrate; 1s
trinque: douchebag: if you just whip them through here without teaching them a damned thing, what's the point. I can go in the other room and see tits.
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 bitcoin addresses start with 1.
ben_vulpes: trinque: trezors also do that dumb shit.
ben_vulpes: gotta kick it into "legacy" moad.
trinque: ben_vulpes: who has the other key? "them"?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795811 << by this logic usg employees are paid in rentals ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:26 trinque: y'know, if every chick that comes through withdraws her coin immediately, she's being paid ~USD~ for tits.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:27 cassidy3: what do u suggest doing with it?
mircea_popescu: that 10 btc would sell for about 70k or so today, ie five years later.
mircea_popescu: there's almost nothing you can buy for bitcoin that will be worth more than the bitcoin in the medium term.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i think the 3 is 'segwit'
cassidy3: douchebag told me to download an electrum wallet i didnt really know what bitcoin is he sorta explained it to me. r u saying i should hold onto now and sell it when it becomes more valuable?
mircea_popescu: i'm just telling you that you can.
mircea_popescu: douchebag mind finding a webwallet that does proper addresses for the girls ? none of that 3 bs.
douchebag: ive been telling them to use electrum or localbitcoins since a lot of them just ask for paypal
mircea_popescu: i c. well, one of the two works better than the other one.
trinque: there's a wallet service sitting right here, if they're just going to hold them on some website.
cassidy3: how often does the price change?
mircea_popescu: tell them to use localbitcoins then, at least they get to meet people.
ben_vulpes: the dropdown under "time period" will be useful
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok, here you go: demo.asm :
asciilifeform: global _start
asciilifeform: _start:
asciilifeform: mov rax, [0]
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: if you select "all data" you can give yourself the "what color is your lamborghini" tingles
trinque: ahemahem. deedbot is a wallet!
asciilifeform: and then : yasm -f elf64 -g null demo.asm && ld demo.o -o demo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and then ./demo
ben_vulpes: trinque: but the numbers don't show up on their computer har har har
asciilifeform: and then dmesg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this loads no complex libraries stack.
trinque: ben_vulpes: sure they do, !!balance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: absolutely not needed , can happen anywhere in process space
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes of course they do ? !!balance , !!ledger etc
asciilifeform: whether in library or not
ben_vulpes: but not in the guiboxen!
ben_vulpes: or in teh webbrowser!
ben_vulpes: y'all are humorless gits
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:30 mircea_popescu: yes, but if i deref twice a pointer provided by alflib, will runtime say "idiot, you deref'd" or will it say "error 4 in alflib" ?
phf: it's a counterparty problem, they don't have trinque in their wots
cassidy3: oooh!oki ill look more at that stuff
mircea_popescu: phf but they have $randomwebsite ?!
ben_vulpes: anyways cassidy3 you can leave your btc with deedbot, trinque operates it and he is a knight of the realm
phf: mircea_popescu: of course, that's usg pseudo-wot that's maintained through all the ways that we laugh about here
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 if you're not desperate for money, keeping it may pay off ; and if you are desperate for money it might be the last thing to sell. think family jewels.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaaa. if dynamically linked -- will say 'in lib...', if static -- in proggy.
mircea_popescu: which is my point!
ben_vulpes: far more trustworthy than "localbitcoins", i mean who are they anyways, and "electrum", same q.
asciilifeform: aa ok i get it
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: just never never never lose the gpg key you registered
trinque: cassidy3: in here your recourse if I steal your money is to tarnish the reputation held on deedbot that to date says I've stolen from no one. out there, what, sue?
trinque: !!up cassidy3
deedbot: cassidy3 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: you know im pretty sure she can self-voice.
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 say !!up to deedbot in a pm, then !!v with the string it sent.
asciilifeform: also come to think of it, on current linux douchebag's thing is not necessarily a null , so whoknows
douchebag: asciilifeform: The guy who created it said he's working on a proof of concept
mircea_popescu: phf indeed right you are, huh.
asciilifeform: douchebag: incidentally the hinted item gives 0 way to reproduce -- it dun say where the lib was loaded in memory
asciilifeform: so to reproduce, would have to know the trigger
asciilifeform: it's equiv of 'winamp playlist' of 0day, rather than 0day
asciilifeform: libpcre is reliable lolcow, however , so i believe it.
asciilifeform: ( and , consider, why the everliving fuck is a re parser need to live in a irctron ?! )
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 18:04 asciilifeform: regex belongs in the tool chest next to 'duct tape'.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795806 <-- yeah, it doesn't look like nullptr deref. segfault addr looks somewhat close to ip, so on a first glance it would look like they tried to hijack rip and tripped a non-executable page. but can't tell for sure without a pmap or something similar.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:21 asciilifeform: ( the operative text, so that nobody else is stuck sifting through that pile o' rubbish : ' hexchat[30394]: segfault at 7f0ca6862199 ip 00007f0ca67a5993 sp 00007ffd83fab310 error 4 in libpcre.so.3.13.3[7f0ca678b000+70000] ' )
spyked: and ftr, linux kernel could report whether the trigger was a read, write or exec op, but for some unknown reason doesn't.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/iguanapost-i-guanapost-igu-an-apost-i-guan-a-post/ << Trilema - Iguanapost. I guanapost ? Igu an apost ? I guan a post!
trinque: douchebag: I guess I scared cassidy3 off, lol. I ran these; tell the next batch to generate proper addresses, or better yet, to leave the coin on deedbot.
trinque: also wasn't there a report on trb dependencies coming?
asciilifeform: spyked: i did realize, slightly later, lol
mircea_popescu refers to his handy hashguide to indentify which one cassidy was
ckang: trinque: i dont think many of these girls have a long term mindset as far as investing goes, mostly college students or do menial low paying work
ckang: i know when i was in school thats how it was anyways
ckang: for me anyways
trinque: man I dated a bartender slut once that kept cash gangster rolls under the bed
trinque: no excuses
ckang: dude ya, bartenders in the right town can do real well
ckang: but those jobs are hot commodities in college towns
ckang: fortunately i finished without debt but i wasnt living the high life either during
ckang: theres also plenty of girls that just go to school to meet a husband, which hey, more power to you i suppose.
phf: mircea_popescu: i've been searching from:<nick> "http://" as a way to remind myself who is who
ckang: trinque: btw, is there a correct and incorrect way to make an address?
douchebag: just got back from college
douchebag: yeah ill tell them
lobbes: speed of implementation really (I got other tmsr irons in fire). I figured I could get a tickerbot up and running quicker just using a gribble instance >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795728
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 20:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795655 << why aren;t you running the trinquebot ?
lobbes: buut, the lack of 'root' access and my general inexperience with non-debian linuxen is throwing me for a loop. Though, suprisingly to me, it is the former rather than the latter that is throwing me the farthest (I've kinda been enjoying building shit from source).
douchebag: mircea_popescu:
douchebag: Girls are wondering if they wanna show tits
douchebag: you around?
douchebag: trinque: I'm going to get a trb node setup when I get that server
douchebag: because right now if I put it on any of these machines, they wouldn't be running 24/7
douchebag: someones znc is being retarded
mircea_popescu: douchebag hit it.
ckang: will you be around for a bit mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile somewhere else, "I looked through your profile and I like what I've seen. What would serving you entail?"
mircea_popescu: 2018, the year i'ma be overwhelmed.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795909 << i know, i know. kinda expected. still... gotta say something to them, whether they follow or not the wise words of the elders is what distinguishes the talented from the mediocre in any generation, isn't it.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:52 ckang: trinque: i dont think many of these girls have a long term mindset as far as investing goes, mostly college students or do menial low paying work
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:53 trinque: man I dated a bartender slut once that kept cash gangster rolls under the bed
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795917 << actually, the college standard for middle-class kids throughout the 90s and maybe a short sliver of the 00s was kinda BingoBoingo 's experience : "they gave me all this money to leave parents' house, ima... drink it / smoke it". it came to an end, of course, nohope.jpg now, but it's what it was for a while there. i know n examples.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:57 ckang: theres also plenty of girls that just go to school to meet a husband, which hey, more power to you i suppose.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, girls going to college to meet the sort of guy that goes to college is a time and space invariant. true in egypt today as it was true in romania 50 years ago as it was true in the us since inception.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795919 << bitcoin addresses come in the form 1x, like say 1NwAjL6CwMHm5S9aeFfmop5VtqBA6aNJRT ; some dorks came up with an "extension". there are fundamental problems with their code, discussed in the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697111 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697118
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 00:33 ckang: trinque: btw, is there a correct and incorrect way to make an address?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the substantial weakness segwit adds to bitcoin chain security is that witout it, one needs the power to unwind the chain AND the keys of old txn to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs the hash power, as anyone can spend the segwit shit.
mircea_popescu: there's this pattern in usg attempts to subvert bitcoin, as discussed in that thread and generally in the logs ; it's "success" depends on the ignorance of the userbase, which is what separates very sharply the bitcoin "users" into republican and imperial sets. the latter have some dust and reddit.
ckang: i heard something the other day which may be of concern soon
ckang: but a CPA was sent a letter asking him to report any clients he had who dealt with crypto
mircea_popescu: this is ancient news.
ckang: yea he just got it last week
ckang: was it published anywhere yet?
ckang: if not i can see if he will scan it
mircea_popescu: illegal as all fuck, but then again http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794697 and all that.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 15:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was also that hellvig lawsuit (which afaik went exactly the same place all other "rule of law" challenges to notes-from-stalin ever went)
mircea_popescu: usg has laws in the sense any bully has principles.
mircea_popescu: ckang have him scan it ; qntra will want to publish it, if you don't break down and make a proper blog before that.
mircea_popescu: (do make a blog. it's an immensely important anchor for your online identity and the power you build on it)
ckang: but to beat a bully you need to be on a more level field
mircea_popescu: not really.
ckang: well he said he would be down to do it but he wanted to make sure it went to other CPAs also
mircea_popescu: "god doesn't beat with the stick".
ckang: so it cant be traced back to his firm if that makes sense
ckang: ill ask him next time i see him though
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure this is in full alignment with current paper usg.law -- recall, they stripped away immunities from shrinks, priests, wives, etc. why not also cpa.
mircea_popescu: ckang if he wants to come online i can explain to him how to publish it so it is not traceable in that way. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704530
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ?
mircea_popescu: back when some imbecile went to fake news media rather than coming to qntra, got sent to jail for it, STILL did not admit there exists no media online besides qntra.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly.
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea hes a sharp guy but i dont want to pressure him into anything uncomfortable, him mentioning it though was the first i heard of these letters being mass mailed
mircea_popescu: it's still on my fucking liver, that episode. so whistleblower goes to "media", they publish her fucking pdfs with the yellow dots untouched, she gets sent to jail, at which point the ENTIRE fucking faux establishment somehow still does not end. how thje fuck!
mircea_popescu: ckang sure.
ckang: im sure places like coinbase are going to be the the more important things they would worry about
ckang: who would tell their cpa about crypto holdings anyways lol
mircea_popescu: hey, i moved enough paper money into argentina to ruin its government a few years ago. they can worry until they fucking fall over for all the good it's gonna do them.
mircea_popescu: for all practical purposes money is now outside of the control of fiat pretend-sovereigns.
ckang: yea, curious how much loss of wealth will be reported this year sorta
mircea_popescu: reporting is not an imperial strength.
ckang: the folks that refinanced their houses at 19k
mircea_popescu: did they manage to get a budget yet ?
ckang: and decided to go all in
ckang: probably not super common but theres stories of it i see popping up here and there
mircea_popescu: ckang amusingly, selling us based real estate on the market and buying bitcoin at 20k is not actually a bad deal. even with bitcoin at 7k now.
mircea_popescu: consider a simple example : you get divorced. or arrested. or "suspected" of "crime". what's the real estate you "owned" worth now ?
mircea_popescu: because teh bitcoin ain't going anywhere, the "judge" can hold his breath until he's done dicking about.
ckang: yea thats true, you can literally take it to your grave
ckang: unlike anything else
mircea_popescu: the fantasy the empire is living is that "nobody can be poor enough to starve". the only meaning of which is, "nobody can have any incentive to hold anything besides bitcoin".
ckang: anything material has to be thrown out, sold, etc...
mircea_popescu: quite a lulzy implementation of the whole "do not build yourself perishable treasures" meme.
ckang: heh not familiar with that one
mircea_popescu: really ? it's the cornerstone of "protestant" ideology.
mircea_popescu: as in, the xtian sect.
ckang: im not well read in theology by any means
ckang: i just know that they are christian
mircea_popescu: so you never heard of "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." and all that ?
ckang: ive mostly just lived under the "cant take it to the grave or regret it when dead" idea
mircea_popescu: technically bitcoin you can't take to grave either, the passive result of dead keys is a slight increase in the value of circulating bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: but whether this properly means you have taken it or you haven't taken it is very much an open question of metaphysics, "what is the meaning of taking".
ckang: it would take too long to brute force it though
ckang: or could rather
ckang: has there been any studies done on that?
mircea_popescu: ckang the idea isn't you bruteforce it, the idea is that in between world A, where 100 people living have 1 btc each, and world A', where 99 people living and 1 person dead have 1 bitcoin each, is that the apparent value of the bitcoin will be 101% in A` vs A.
mircea_popescu: but no, you're not going to bruteforce a key.
ckang: hmm yea, true, didnt think about it from that angle
ckang: i mean with enough clockcycles anything can be brute forced
ckang: its just on what timescale
ckang: and cost:reward
mircea_popescu: ckang the timescale involved in bruteforcing a bitcoin address exceeds the computable capacity of an alternate universe in which every single atom extant would be part of an ideal processor working at it.
mircea_popescu: in other words : it will never happen, the world ends first.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795922 << this is broken in the same way as the subjects of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792556 discussion.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 01:20 lobbes: speed of implementation really (I got other tmsr irons in fire). I figured I could get a tickerbot up and running quicker just using a gribble instance >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795728
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 18:39 mircea_popescu: lobbes the only important consideration here is that design is not a haphazard activity driven by occurence and circumstance. that's implementation. design is a deductive activity, it proceeds from first principles and does not break faith.
ckang: yea thats why i was just wondering if anyone has done a paper about it ;)
ckang: just thought it would be a fun read
mircea_popescu: ckang it's one of the things people do for their own satisfaction, but your question isn't without marrow. let's see here...
ckang: the scaling comparisons i like for some reason
ckang: like you can fit X somethings in a Y
ckang: that just show the magnitude of something
mircea_popescu: ckang here's the basic likbez : a bitcoin address (which is what keeps funds) is built out of a chaining of crypto functions : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/thumb/4/48/Address_map.jpg/700px-Address_map.jpg
ckang: oh wow, ive never seen it broken down like that
asciilifeform: 1 caveat re 'brute force needs machine the size of 10^bignum universes running for 10^biggernum yrs' is that it presumes a flat keyspace. whereas if instead you can exclude large chunks ( because, e.g., winblowz rng is known to never output'em , or some other likewise ) ...
ckang: i didnd even know base58 was a thing
ckang: didnt*
mircea_popescu: the proper formula is : address = ripemd160(sha256(secret)). to go from an address to its corresponding private key (which is what "bruteforce" requires in this context) you'd have to reverse a ripemd160 and a sha256 op.
ckang: sounds like a good research paper for some mathematics major ;)
ckang: thesis or something
mircea_popescu: admitting the merkle-damgard construction (what ripemd is built out of, see http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html ) does not have a backdoor, and that sha256 doesn't have a backdoor, you are looking at something like 256 bits of entropy involved.
mircea_popescu: there's also some ecdsa involved, but that's cryptographically less valuable.
mircea_popescu: but, for the expert minds tuned in : ckang 's question does not, as we currently stand, have a published canonical answer i can link him to. if you write it, i will link it next time someone asks.
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