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Vexual: you conna spend it on dimitri?
BingoBoingo: Proceeds go to the keep me out of jail for this disorderly conduct charge fund.
ozbot: Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube
Vexual: do your month
BingoBoingo: They see me rollin' They hat'in but they don't cat me ridin BTC.
BingoBoingo: Every month they delay. My defense gets funded, and the prosecution gets sequestered.
BingoBoingo: But shit is the way BTC works.
BingoBoingo: St Clair County had its chance to catch me with my pants down like a fairy, but nao...
BingoBoingo: Imma bigger than them.
KRS-One: You have a right to a speedy trial.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3548 @ 0.00087669 = 3.1105 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Maybe I want a slow sensual trial, because BTC puts me at an advantage?
BingoBoingo: At the start of the ordeal I had a lawyer.
KRS-One: "I know my rights! I'm entitled to a phone call and a strip search!"
KRS-One: I dig, then stroke the courts.
BingoBoingo: Nao I have a lawyer acting as a paralegal and two appelate court barred lawyers as a safety net.
BingoBoingo: If this shit doesn't get dismissed my warchest is aimed at defending my position that disorderly conduct is a moral fucking imperative.
KRS-One: ya thats some shit
BingoBoingo: moiety: Trade some ATC, because birthday.
moiety: happy monday
moiety: it's your birthday today?
moiety: :D happy birthday *hugs* as in sunday or monday
BingoBoingo: moiety: For another 4o minutes
moiety: kk, have you had a good birthday?
BingoBoingo: Actually 5 hours and 40 minutes
moiety: yay heaps of time
BingoBoingo: moiety: A great one. I had delicious beef tongue for dinner.
moiety: oh my mum really likes that
BingoBoingo: Honestly when roasted it is the best tasting part.
BingoBoingo: Much flavor
moiety: bit creepy when you find it in the fridge aged 7 or w/e
Bugpowder: @pmarca is going off on bitcoin right now.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: Maybe the parents in that scenario were bad.
moiety: lol no just me being easily creeped i reckon
moiety: anyways, did you family today
BingoBoingo: Saw the brother and his heifer's awesome dog.
BingoBoingo: Dog ate so many carrots.
moiety: and his heifer lol
moiety: mum's dog liked tomatoes
BingoBoingo: Brother's wife is kinda thick with it.
moiety: too late!
BingoBoingo: Before the wedding I offered counsel against that, but.
BingoBoingo: moiety: What's the probem?
moiety: if your brother is happy, that's the main thing
moiety: my pi is now a server for my email and a page! :D *beams*
BingoBoingo: How did you fit that all in your pie?
moiety: with help
BingoBoingo: moiety: Is this a sign you are abandoning node.js based trash?
moiety: no this is my page
moiety: like just me
moiety: BUT look how cool my email is gayle@ely.ag
moiety: fucking so pleased there are no words
moiety: i think i will use moderncuriosity for my business plan
moiety: hi pankkake :D
BingoBoingo: moiety: What is your newest plan?
moiety: its meant to have a picture of rome come up too but that wont work
moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm honing the stamping plan
moiety: i was thinking, even with 100 orders in one day, still doable, they don't take long to complete each item
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: The dell logo makes me want to not read. Give me a reason to continue.
pankkake: moiety: replace "scr" by "src" in the img tag ;)
moiety: how do you know that pankkake
BingoBoingo: O, replace scrote with source.
Jere_Jones: There's nothing of surprise in there except under the "Best Practices For Exchanges" section.
pankkake: because view source
moiety: oh!
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read, article is only 3 years behind.
moiety: omg omg omg ok go again!
moiety: editing via ssh too you know :D
BingoBoingo: moiety: Too much vatican, not anough Rome
Jere_Jones: BIP70 is only 6 months old.
BingoBoingo: BIP 70 is also mistake
moiety: BingoBoingo: first one was better.. will swap to that one
Jere_Jones: Can you elaborate?
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I will give you time to read and correct yourself. I'm kinda drunk.
moiety: so am i! lol ok my pic works now
moiety: favoured pic*
BingoBoingo: Better
ozbot: Fuck U Betta (Live) - Neon Hitch - YouTube
moiety: even added my key :D
BingoBoingo: She can fuck you good, but I can fuck you betta.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Add a blog to it.
ozbot: Gym Class Heroes feat. Neon Hitch - Ass Back Home (Live on Today 02-03-2012) [HD 1080p] - YouTube
Jere_Jones: Attempt #1 and correcting myself: BIP70 is evil because it, without encryption, would be vulnerable to MITM attacks. BIP70 specifies usage of a central authority for verification of the public keys encrypting/signing the request. That puts control/power in the exact hands that Bitcoin, as a philosophy, is trying to remove it from. A payment request protected by a WoT key would be less
Jere_Jones: objectionable.
moiety: i haven't heard these folk BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: ALmost there.
moiety: and i don't think a blog would work with me. i'm the only one interestedin what i have to say lolol
BingoBoingo: moiety: The redhead is a scott
BingoBoingo: moiety: No one seriously blogs for other people other than incidentally
moiety: she looks it in the face
BingoBoingo: A blog is simply the part of the notebook you feel is safe in public
pankkake: I like to read my won blog
pankkake: own*. and I never had more than 20 readers at a time. and yet, I wouldn't regret it at all
pankkake: I mean regular readers
pankkake: even met some, so.
BingoBoingo: I've had 35K readers in one day...
moiety: was that the slashdot day
pankkake: not regular readers
BingoBoingo: Neglecting the blog for a week I can't drop lower than 30 a day
pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot
pankkake: wow*
pankkake: but I have 75 on another place. so. :)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fat lot of good 'subscribers' do.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well the only ones I care about read the niggers.txt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've ~1k 'subscribers', 997 are silent or, far worse, detectably stupid
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen that on your blog.
BingoBoingo: You have so many clojure fags
BingoBoingo: Imagining you are on their side
moiety: asciilifeform: i has a page! https://ely.ag go see go see! AND hosted on my own server! AND look at my email address! AND also home-hosted *beams*
BingoBoingo: moiety: Skip the flash
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Only use parts of HTML 5 that are contextual.
moiety: oh aye i abandoned the flash page bingo, i got flash block myself lol
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read moar. You seem to underestimate my hatorade.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I mean flash as in styling term.
asciilifeform: moiety: have some medieval strange. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509702 and below.
asciilifeform: (translation mine)
moiety: is this my reward?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7326 @ 0.00087647 = 6.421 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That alost mtouches into the earlier half country stuff.
BingoBoingo: But... Terps are Big 10 nao
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
asciilifeform: what's a halfcountry
BingoBoingo: Romania versus hungary, Canada versus US. Half countries dominate -assets
asciilifeform: nothing 'half' about vlad tepes's kingdom.
asciilifeform: hard to cut myth from reality though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And that is why S.Time would make BTC so much better.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about a rewrite without the dracula name? Consider the mess between Caligula and the well hung Assirians of the old testament.
asciilifeform: historic dracula
asciilifeform: not the 19th c. fictional personage.
asciilifeform: 'son of dragon.'
BingoBoingo: I'm a brain damaged 'Murican
ozbot: Neon Hitch - Fuck U Betta [Explicit Version] - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Oh, Bruce Lee
ozbot: Vlad the Impaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
moiety: proper drakula
ozbot: Yersinia pestis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: 'Murica used to be such an easy target.
ozbot: John Ross (Cherokee chief) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: truffles, Namworld, nubbins' You have until the 28th of February to take this chess tournament to tiebreakers or I am withdrawing my pledge to the pot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 200 @ 0.0005101 = 0.102 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: deanclkclk: How goes your "exchange"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4680 @ 0.00051 = 2.3868 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: You still online?
moiety: kickstarter been hacked??
BingoBoingo: moiety: Old ns
ozbot: Dumbing of Age - Weenus
ozbot: Shortpacked by David Willis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00087647 = 0.8107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9780 @ 0.00087727 = 8.5797 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Jacqueline was seventeen, Working on a desk, When I peered above a spectacle. 0.01 BTC to fucker who names the song, cause it is always better on holliday,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1125 @ 0.00087501 = 0.9844 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: Damn you BingoBoingo. My search for what is wrong with BIP70 has led me to way too much good stuff to read. I have code to write damnit!
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: All code is worthless without good implementations.
BingoBoingo: Don't AMir this shit.
Jere_Jones: "AMir"?
BingoBoingo: Taaki, nigga
BingoBoingo: Don't do him
BingoBoingo: Do shit right or GTFO
BingoBoingo: Unless tits, in that case show them and GTFO
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Who do you work for anyways who would have you write code for Bitcoin purposes without knowing this shit?
Jere_Jones: I don't work for anyone that has me write bitcoin code.
Jere_Jones: I write bitcoin code because I want to. Or, at least, I will.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: To do something as idiotic as take BIP 70 seriously you must have some dark master. I merely would like an introduction.
Jere_Jones: I didn't say I took it seriously. I only said it was 6 months old when you said that dell doc was 3 years out of date.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I am just saying. I had my 28th birthday, and too little to show for it.
Jere_Jones: Shit man. On my 28th birthday, I was still in the Navy and had not yet met my wife-to-be. 28 is young as fuck.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: BTC is a thing though. I feel like a poor as hoobajew
Jere_Jones: In 10 days I will have my 39th birthday. In my 39 years I have learned that I am damn good at writing code. Yet, I haven't created anything that is worthwhile in a "greater scheme of things" sense.
Jere_Jones: I don't want to hit my 44th birthday and have that statement still ring true.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Have you tried amphetamines?
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You seem to be seriously behind
Jere_Jones: Probably. But being behind is not going to get me to give up.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You need to kick your own ass and learn to lisp
Jere_Jones: <insert joke about a speech impediment>
Jere_Jones: Unless "lisp" was a typo and didn't actually refer to the language.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: How you read it is your choice
Jere_Jones: Then I choose to say "huh?" and ask for clarification.
Jere_Jones: Not on the first part. I understood that.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
BingoBoingo: Those are weapons of a moar elegant age.
BingoBoingo: Come on dance with me Micheal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0008778 = 12.2892 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087871 = 16.1683 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I am afro man, Running through the forest with the Ku Klux Klan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07103799 = 1.0656 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088009 = 5.8966 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: i think steve needs a new client or soemthing
BingoBoingo: Does anyone in -assets have a line to paul graham
BingoBoingo: benkay I know you mention people being too stupid for that
BingoBoingo: I am ready to whore myself out cheap for one honest business (the rest of them don't need whores)
BingoBoingo: 100 BTC can keep my attention for one year.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the pair is formed out of the base and the counter.
moiety: to do what bingo?
mircea_popescu: o look it's a moiety.
moiety: mircea! how's you? i has a page naos! http://ely.ag/
moiety: not excited or anything
mircea_popescu: god forbid you be excited, this is puritania, all excitement is punished by nipple excision
mircea_popescu: or incision
mircea_popescu: haha nice page.
mircea_popescu: has everything it needs to have, gpg key, email, etc.
mircea_popescu: lol cads discovering martingales. cute.
mircea_popescu: "hey guise! beer! w00t!"
moiety: look at me, i'm growing! i think bingo may have passed out
ozbot: Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: check out tim lee changing his mind.
BingoBoingo: I am so full of hate.
mircea_popescu: wha happened ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: High School fucks want favors out of my sweet nothing.
mircea_popescu: so fuck them.
BingoBoingo: Oh, too late ofr that.
mircea_popescu: never too late.
moiety: all this energy could be better spent elsewhere
BingoBoingo: Maybe for them. I remember though the time I tried to buy coke and got gyp'd into ketamine.
moiety: like turning me into a chess grandmaster or something
BingoBoingo: In 2009
BingoBoingo: moiety: That would ne cleaner that me collecting from all my nigs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot << see that's why i prefer talking to max keiser. he has a lot of subscribers. this makes a difference. /sarcasm
BingoBoingo: Fuck, 7 is a lot of subscribers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087567 = 12.6096 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: (The hatorade builds)
mircea_popescu: "Jere_Jones:BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?" lol checxk him out, at this rate by the end of the year he's rewriting trilema :D
moiety: if i ever blog, will you guys subscribe so i don't feel bad?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On BIP 70 he doesn't make it that far
mircea_popescu: well maybe if tits.
mircea_popescu: what's in a subscription.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll sunscribe if you say something good.
mircea_popescu: maybe someone'll serbscribe...
moiety: supscript, i just say hi daily
BingoBoingo: BE aware. As much anger as I have, there are moar people I'd like to kill than subscribe to.
mircea_popescu: so you;d subscribe to their funeral ?
mircea_popescu: best oration ever. "Dear people, I am here because I really wanted this fucker dead, and now he is."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That is pretty much my legal defense.
BingoBoingo: For that nasty disorderly conduct charge.
mircea_popescu: sounds like it'd go over better in a las vegas strip club than in a chicago court.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said chicago. This goes to cour in East St Louis.
BingoBoingo: Because Niggers.txt.
BingoBoingo: I like some dark chocolate pussy, but not at the cost of my freedom.
mircea_popescu: you know he has a point. 28 is young as fuck, and i don't even comprehend wtf this notion is that twennysomethings should have like careers and moneyz and womenz and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: live a little.
mircea_popescu: republicans : "nine out of ten participants to a gangbang really enjoy the experience"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Shhhh...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I miss occupy WTF, because that was some easy tang.
BingoBoingo: BTC is a thing that exists nao though.
BingoBoingo: Dun dun dun dun. Stupid fucking mongoloids.
mircea_popescu: so am i the only one for whom the https://bitcoinaverage.com/ site simply loads nothing ?
mircea_popescu: dumbass bootstrap javascript etc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That side loads a full Usagi for me
mircea_popescu: prolly attempts to load some blocked script and fails to degrade.
BingoBoingo: I dumped a bunch of cigs on my lap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088021 = 11.9268 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I howeveer an still willing to coach Paul Graham and be his Nick Saban for 100 BTC/year
moiety: works ok for me
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe harass him a bit with your vagina?
moiety: lol harass who and why?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh you're coming on too strong, and to the wrong people.
BingoBoingo: I want those assholes to learn to learn
mircea_popescu: paul graham is dead, or at any rate old enough he might as well be.
mircea_popescu: find some unheard of upstart.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think too stong to the right people.
moiety: i'm not even sure how one harrasses with on'es vagina to begin with
mircea_popescu: for anyone into celebration : Tue, 13 May 2014 16:53:20 GMT will be unixtime 1400000000
mircea_popescu: that aside, we doing anything for 1600000000 ?
BingoBoingo: Mircea No big BTC hollidays untile next year
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, aslo falls on a 13)
BingoBoingo: Any niggas here know a winkelvii?
BingoBoingo: I can't pull that... again
moiety: you know you get virtual assistants? do you think bitcoin secretaries would be of any use?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Move to Timisoara already
mircea_popescu: bitcoin secretaries would be of plenty of use, if they're very good at what they do.
moiety: where is that and why do i know that name
mircea_popescu: and they don't end up working for george.
moiety: and who is george
BingoBoingo: George is the otheer nigga in timisoara
mircea_popescu: im sorry, doable not feasible
mircea_popescu: forgot for a moment this show was intended for a us audience
mircea_popescu: must use dblplusgood speaks and stuff.
BingoBoingo: I hold out for Paul graham for one reason.
BingoBoingo: niggers.txt.
moiety: aha! seinfield. I keep meaning to watch it, so many people reference it
BingoBoingo: Some dude though wanted me+him to be the StL BTC meetup.
BingoBoingo: Told him to fuck off.
BingoBoingo: Nao he works for Bitpay.
moiety: lol harsh
BingoBoingo: Told him an hour ago to fuck off harder
BingoBoingo: moiety: This is how business happens though
BingoBoingo: Especially since Charlie SHrem was Bitpay's BTC Jesus too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 12000 @ 0.0002 = 2.4 BTC [+]
moiety: lets get drunk today, seems the best road for monday
BingoBoingo: Nevar has anyone in the history of wealth held so little and done so much.
BingoBoingo: 'Cauuse Plato was wrong, nigga
moiety: what happened to shrem?
BingoBoingo: moiety: He owned a bong in 'Murica?
moiety: found Timisoara, i know it from here. that's where you live mircea, right?
BingoBoingo: moiety: That isn't where he lives, That is where he thrives.
moiety: wiki has a lovely picture of the square at night in winter
moiety: why can't we have leds all year round
moiety: youre very very drunk huh bingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: If you think this is very drunk, I dun want to know what you imagine sober is
BingoBoingo: moiety: Even if there is worse, I swear I am not the worst.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00087499 = 8.9249 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: sober is when you don't talk to me
moiety: smahed is when you end up in court
moiety: smashed
moiety: i think we are in between just now :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088027 = 21.3025 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Moiety ther is plenty of room to refine that spectrum
moiety: lol
BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice.
moiety: february is next bit isnt it
BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. Moiety it is a bit too late your you
moiety: understandation incomplete. please try again?
BingoBoingo: Suppose again?
moiety: whats too late forme?
moiety: im a lost cause in general, i thought we clarified that
BingoBoingo: moiety: I am loster
moiety: you feel more lost than you are BingoBoingo. i just think youre looking for something.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course I am lost, I am 'Murican
BingoBoingo: You have been trying for a niche too long. Do you want an expert or not; challenge posed t Mr Graham
moiety: did you just say that to him?
BingoBoingo: moiety: TO Graham, yes
moiety: you are one of the more enlightened 'muricans though bingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: I know
BingoBoingo: And people who ignore that will pain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088058 = 9.9946 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: this is why you need a bitch man, you need someone to sit on your phone in these times to create a line you cant go over
mircea_popescu: mkay, i see moiety has the situation in hand hiar.
moiety: dont leave us!
herbijudlestoids: hullo kids
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: chess?
moiety: herbi!
moiety: herbi herbi I've been at my pi again! It now looks after my email AND http://ely.ag/ *beams*
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not nao when the laptop is a traitor
herbijudlestoids: moiety: got er goin 24/7? https://www.mailpile.is/ is something i heard about yesterday
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: :( ok
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Black or white?
herbijudlestoids: haha are we playing?
gribble: tails
BingoBoingo: Why cause my lappy has the twitch?
herbijudlestoids: i came on just for a game!
BingoBoingo: I coughed on the lappy and nao it is angry
herbijudlestoids: alright, enjoy the song ;)
BingoBoingo: I am so full of hate
BingoBoingo: can't click
BingoBoingo: such pain
moiety: oooh herbi thanks for the mailpile link
moiety: lol i love how bingo's speech becomes more and more dogelike the more and more vodka-filled he is
BingoBoingo: moiety: i NEVER KNEW A dOGE WHO TALKED LIKE ME.
BingoBoingo: Maybe Doge means different things though.
moiety: i dont know anyone that talks like you dear
moiety: thats a good thing
moiety: are yous playing chess?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Mouse ain't working right, so no, night night
moiety: nanight BingoBoingo sleep well, hope you dont feel rough when you get up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087554 = 8.2301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.574999 BTC [+]
moiety: is selling domains on btctalk a hideous idea?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00087496 = 10.5643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087493 = 2.3623 BTC [-]
WillTablet: Hello
cazalla: depends, most people selling domains there are selling utter junk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.57844999 = 3.4707 BTC [+] {6}
WillTablet: Heh if anyone wants dickfun.com for the rest of its term they can have ir
ozbot: Twitter / ConanOBrien: Wow. Strippers get angry if ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58400221 = 6.424 BTC [+]
moiety: -strippers get angry if... they aren't spray painted gold first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58400221 = 1.168 BTC [+]
moiety: hey, steve, please turn off your laptop!
moiety: or not
moiety: cazalla: mine is a bitcoin domain, just unsure what to list for
cazalla: moiety: obviously but 99% of them are total shit
moiety: yeah ive just been having a look at other listings for reference cazalla i see what you mean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]
Namworld: "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals
Namworld: soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/
Namworld: monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take
Namworld: into account current market conditions. "
Namworld: market... conditions... right, whatever that is supposed to mean.
davout: also how is an e-mail telling you someone logged in to your account a security measure
CiPi: Is crap.
CiPi: They lie again.
CiPi: That fat mark liar.
davout: that's just letting you know you're being buttraped faster but doesn't really help...
davout: "hey, someone is currently performing surprise butseks on your account, since they'll probably change your password right away you're fucked nonetheless"
CiPi: I`m glad that i don`t have coins there.
CiPi: I just identified a jew, nkuttler...a big one...
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 286340 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1947 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3607442252.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.26946
jurov: oh it did already change again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00087503 = 2.7563 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06720002 = 2.8896 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06437499 = 0.515 BTC [-] {5}
davout: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00178039 / 0.00218173 (15250 shares, 27.15 BTC)
Willdude123: Are all this bitcoin stocks actually legal?
KRS-One: hah
Willdude123: IKR legal is so 2013
davout: Willdude123: define "legal"
Willdude123: In keeping with financial tax, regulation and investment law
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0002375 = 0.95 BTC [+]
random_cat: in what locale?
random_cat: for the buyer or the seller?
davout: Willdude123: "teh law" is something relative to where you live, so unless you specify *which* law it is impossible to go further
davout: bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity
Willdude123: Loads of exchanges tell people not to trade if they're in the US. What laws apply if they are offshore but primarily serving Americans?
davout: Willdude123: i didn't really investigate the subject of the application of american regulations to non-US bitcoin stock exchanges, but it seems the SEC does have an opinion, not that it really matters that much though. you should ask nefario about it, he used to run glbse that allegedly closed down due to some sort of SEC-indeuced legal pressure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0055 = 0.4565 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00087503 = 6.9162 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.129 BTC [+]
Namworld: [06:30] <davout> bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity
random_cat: *which* laws of gravity? Newton, Einstein, or something newer?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i called it! "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take
ThickAsThieves: into account current market conditions. "
ThickAsThieves: [16:54] <ThickAsThieves> so any predictions what gox will announce?
ThickAsThieves: [16:55] <ThickAsThieves> i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation"
Willdude123: Hey ThickAsThieves
Willdude123: I was thinking I could learn more programming and do that for BTC
ThickAsThieves: go for it
ThickAsThieves: just dont be a flaky knowitallthatknowslittle programmer
ThickAsThieves: we have enough of those
Willdude123: So someone who's just like ooh programming I can get $$ for this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07777002 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00087482 = 19.1148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25254 @ 0.0008755 = 22.1099 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: any men online just now??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00087467 = 0.3499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yes, men online just now.
moiety: lol sorry realise how that sounded
moiety: ignore me, i had a situation
Willdude123: Men in your area
Willdude123: Looking for fun :P
kakobrekla: men just want to have fun
KRS-One: Woo! Lets party
KRS-One: Who wants to cyber?
KRS-One: .bait
mircea_popescu: simona halep is now #9 wta! ha!
kakobrekla: ;;google cyndi lauper just want to have fun
gribble: Cyndi Lauper - Girls Just Want To Have Fun - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A>; Girls Just Want to Have Fun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_Just_Want_to_Have_Fun>; Cyndi Lauper – Girls Just Want to Have Fun – Listen and discover ...: <http://www.last.fm/music/Cyndi+Lauper/_/Girls+Just+Want+to+Have+Fun>
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: whoa simona has big lungs
mircea_popescu: not anymore
mircea_popescu: she used to.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07349999 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0735 = 1.47 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: sorry guys, what happened was i went outside and my pet i just buried had been uncovered and was missing, i just didn't know what to do and i got a bit upset. apologies
mircea_popescu: so was it a fox ?
moiety: maybe, or dog or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07349999 = 0.735 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: the stuff i had wrapped the pet in was all over thegarden :(
moiety: and im scared to find parts of my pet, you know?
mircea_popescu: sucks ;/
mircea_popescu: why did you bury it shallow ?
moiety: i didn't think it was shallow
moiety: and its a private garden
mircea_popescu: how deep was it ?
moiety: thinking on it, about a foot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that makes no difference, ownership is a people thing not a nature thing.
mircea_popescu: ever heard the "seven feet under" expression ?
ThickAsThieves: sixfeet in US
ThickAsThieves: we even have a TV show
moiety: it was just really hard digging a hole with a spoon on my own, i was a bit upset when i was doing it
mircea_popescu: yes well.
mircea_popescu: didja put anything over it ? like a plank or something ?
Willdude123: ThickAsThieves, can I ask you a question regarding B.MINE and B.SELL?
ThickAsThieves: you should ask the guy who runs it
moiety: yeah, i put wood planks that were outside over her to keep her safe
mircea_popescu: what did you bury ?
moiety: please don't laugh, she meant a lot to me
moiety: hamster
mircea_popescu: it was a cat.
mircea_popescu: cats will dig about a foot
ThickAsThieves: you think?
moiety: i think that makes sense
mircea_popescu: next time get a shovel eh. just because it's a tiny pet doesn't mean it can't get a manly burial.
moiety: there isnt that much of a mess for a dog to have been digging
kakobrekla: well, you did provide some cat a meal, thats a good thing.
moiety: i learned big lesson today mircea_popescu
ThickAsThieves: i'd guess another critter
moiety: i guess kakobrekla i know its all circular, its just a bit upsetting when its right in front of you
ThickAsThieves: like raccoon
mircea_popescu: she's in scotland
moiety: no racoons in scotland!
mircea_popescu: they have raccoons now ?
moiety: :D
moiety: but hey! you stopped me crying lolol
ThickAsThieves: maybe the cat needs a home
Willdude123: ThickAsThieves, is he on here?
ThickAsThieves: will, i dont think so, but he is responsive in his fporum thread
kakobrekla: wtf is this shit now
kakobrekla: supernode changed his name
moiety: im a bit scared to search the garden but i feel i should just in case theres bits i could rebury
kakobrekla: he is now >
kakobrekla: "rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat"
ThickAsThieves: cats dont leave bits
ThickAsThieves: they transport
mircea_popescu: yeah it probably put the thing's head on a pike somewhere.
ThickAsThieves: it's probablt on the cat owner's steps
kakobrekla: did the chang goat get him or what
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sort-of old news actually.
kakobrekla: well im out of the loop apparently
moiety: poor wilma :(
ThickAsThieves: nice name
mircea_popescu: why does wilma care whether it's eaten by fungus or mammals ?
moiety: I care. i feel she deerved better
kakobrekla: well, i vouch taht rodents dont care if they are eaten
Willdude123: I wonder if I could somehow time lock my btc. So make it such that I can't touch them for 6 months
moiety: i couldn't bury her for ages you see, I just couldn't do it. so its worse that when i finally managed to bury her, she gets eaten a day later
kakobrekla: Willdude123 there are several ways of doing that
mircea_popescu: Willdude123 yeah. by not touching them for 6 months.
mircea_popescu: moiety ahahaha you're such a twerp.
mircea_popescu: why not ask a day before rather than a day after teh failburial ?
kakobrekla: in some cultures that i didnt bother to remember, they un-bury the dead every few years
kakobrekla: clean the bones up
moiety: i didn't realise it had failed until about 20 minutes agp
kakobrekla: pack it back down.
moiety: ago
mircea_popescu: moiety but it was the first time you did it right ?
mircea_popescu: what made you think you're a qualified undertaker.
moiety: yep
moiety: oh lol not a single thing aside from not having any other option
mircea_popescu: so maybe next time ask the internets before devirginizing.
mircea_popescu: the internets know all.
kakobrekla: Willdude123 its possible to make a tx in such way it will be valid after n time, or just use bitbet.
moiety: yeah I usually am a lot more efficient when not bereaved
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, like in romania.
mircea_popescu: 7 years, wash bones in wine, rebury.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00087554 = 5.0344 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow that's true... bitbet can lock oyur dough for X time np./
kakobrekla: you know that already.
ThickAsThieves: thats one of the excuses i give myself for betting
kakobrekla: i didnt know romanians do that shit, its retarded.
moiety: only the first 7 mircea_popescu ?
moiety: or every 7?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it's done in the east (moldavia), where the retarded romanians live.
mircea_popescu: first 7.
moiety: k, thx
mircea_popescu: i think the next is 42 or 49 or somesuch
ThickAsThieves: however long til the bones are no longer drunk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.55540032 = 8.331 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: it's actually useful in places where you need to reuse the ground
mircea_popescu: take the bones out, bury someone else.
mircea_popescu: this is practiced extensively, just, you don't know about it.
moiety: you know, there is a park where i usually bury my small pets... im thinking others have probably been uncovered and i just havent seen it...
moiety: mircea_popescu: but don't they go looking ofr the missing (buried) person?
kakobrekla: yes its logical when you need some space, first thing it to come to mind - poke dead people
moiety: for*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.55 = 2.75 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: moiety who, they ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla romania is a country with ~20mn people alive and ~150 bn people dead.
ThickAsThieves: romanians leave no witnesses
mircea_popescu: you want the entire country to be a cemetery or something ?
kakobrekla: burn to ashes
kakobrekla: takes less sapce
mircea_popescu: for that matter, visit rome. they have osuaries.
kakobrekla: space
mircea_popescu: how do you think they got THOSE bones ?
kakobrekla: why would you want to look up after rome!?
mircea_popescu: pretty much all xtian monasteries did this.
mircea_popescu: i didn't say you'd want to, just that people do.
moiety: are osuaries those places with the wee slots for peoples remains?
mircea_popescu: ;;google santa maria della concezione dei cappuccini
gribble: Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_della_Concezione_dei_Cappuccini>; Santa Maria della Concezione Crypts | Atlas Obscura: <http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/santa-maria-della-concezione>; Santa Maria della Concezione - TripAdvisor: <http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g187791-d246183 (1 more message)
moiety: ty!
kakobrekla: well, italians have issues.
moiety: this reminds me of the place in paris
mircea_popescu: ;;google douaumont
gribble: Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douaumont>; Fort Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Douaumont>; Douaumont ossuary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douaumont_ossuary>
kakobrekla: >The construction work for Fort de Douaumont started in 1885 and the fort was continually reinforced until 1913.
kakobrekla: >and due to French unpreparedness, the fort was easily captured by a small German raiding party.
mircea_popescu: "then it was filled with like 100k skeletons"
moiety: yes! thats the one!
mircea_popescu: moiety douaumont is not in paris, it's at verdun
moiety: it's the catacombs im thinking of
kakobrekla: but but france is in paris
mircea_popescu: and for that matter,
kakobrekla: so it makes it ok!
mircea_popescu: ;;google czermna
gribble: Skull Chapel, Czermna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Chapel,_Czermna>; Czermna, Lesser Poland Voivodeship - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czermna,_Lesser_Poland_Voivodeship>; Kaplica Czaszek: The Chapel of Skulls | Atlas Obscura: <http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/kaplica-czazek-chapel-skulls>
moiety: my gosh there is loads of these places
moiety: quite impressive how neatly they can be stacked
moiety: have any of you ever visited any of them?
mircea_popescu: moiety you sure you weren't thinking of the actual catacombes de paris ?
moiety: i think i was mircea_popescu
moiety: might seem a strange question, but is there a smell to these places? i would imagine there would be
mircea_popescu: not really.
moiety: apparently you can get lost in the catacombes
davout: moiety: yeah, if you ever go there go with someone who knows
moiety: i really want to but i think i would get creeped at the entrance on my own davout! lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.552 BTC [+]
moiety: so many things to see in this world, i want eyes on legs
mircea_popescu: moiety chained nude somewhere in the depts of it, where nobody ever goes.
mircea_popescu: there, fixed your nightmares for you.
davout: the catacombs in paris aren't really filled with bones and stuff tho, they were originally places where people would get rocks from, don't know the word in english for it
mircea_popescu: davout quarry ?
davout: mircea_popescu: exactly, ty
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moiety: lolol yep, good job mircea, now im thinking on the person that locks the chains *scared*
davout: so they were originally quarries, and a part of them was used to put bones away when paris cemetaries were getting filled up
moiety: i love that washington post uses wordpress
mircea_popescu: wow, apparently other people had this filled cemeteries problem too!
mircea_popescu: check it out kakobrekla, other countries are like... you know, inhabited
mircea_popescu: with populations and everything.
moiety: lol you have to book your spot here in advance, theres so little space
kakobrekla: sarajevo had the same problem
kakobrekla: anyway the problem is that people dont want to burn bodies to ashes
mircea_popescu: Sarajevo (Cyrillic: Сарајево; pronounced [sǎrajɛʋɔ]) is the capital and largest city of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with an estimated population of 291,422
mircea_popescu: fucking epic.
moiety: i would prefer that to rotting in the ground
kakobrekla: well the problem there was war and they were locked in there
kakobrekla: with lotsa bodies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00087538 = 8.4474 BTC [-]
moiety: it's a real shame there just now too
kakobrekla: as someone famous said
kakobrekla: the balkans produce more history than they can consume
mircea_popescu: now that's a good saying.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.062 = 0.93 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: why is the Kyng size smaller looking?
ThickAsThieves: and why the Y?
chetty: I was hoping you guys could explain.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1663 BTC [+]
moiety: is this an extremely poor pr tack??
moiety: as in everything new york gets NYXX treatment. this is a very bad play on that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.02467669 = 1.9248 BTC [-] {12}
moiety: either waym they just look like kanyedoms
moiety: who is failcoin on twitter?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0055 = 0.297 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57984176 BTC [+]
jurov: sigh, what did the world come to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07101101 = 0.3551 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'when the king freed [exiled] drakula from the dungeon, he lead him to buda, and gifted to him a house in pest, opposite buda, but to his court not yet permitted him. and then it happened that some fleeing rogue ran into drakula's manor and took refuge there. the pursuers sought the rogue there and found him. then drakula lept up, snatched his sword, ran from his quarters and beheaded the constable who had caug
asciilifeform: ht the rogue - and released the rogue. the other constables took flight, and, when they came to the judge, spoke to him of this. the judge and his horsemen went to the king with complaint of drakula. the king a messenger to drakula, to ask, 'why have you wrought this evil?' he replies thusly, 'no evil have i wrought, but the constable has slaine himself with his own hand: such shall be the demise of any who, li
asciilifeform: ke a rogue, storms into the home of a great lord. had he come to me and spoke reason, i would have found the rogue in my home and either given him up, or asked for his reprieve.' the king was told of this. and he laughed, and marvelled at drakula's approach.'
jurov: nothing unusual
jurov: hungaruan kings always had problems with local warlords
jurov: *hungarian
jurov: i'd say marvelled is just a bad translation
asciilifeform: try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t
asciilifeform: hen came to them in person, and asked 'what more do you wish?' they answered thusly: 'it is known only to god, lord, and to you: do that which god commands you.' he asked further of them: 'do you wish me to make you happy in this world, wanting for nothing?' they, awaiting from him great generosity, replied in unison, 'yes, we do want, our lord!' and then drakula ordered the house sealed and put to the torch, a
asciilifeform: nd the alms-seekers did burn. and spoke drakula to his nobles thusly, 'do you know why i did this? firstly, let them no more pester people, and let there be no more beggars in my lands, and all shall be wealthy; secondly, i have set them free; let them suffer no more upon this earth from poverty or illness.'
jurov: and then gets invited to buda by king. poor lady bathory should have known better.
jurov: but she decided to slaughter young girls instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00087516 = 15.4903 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.00083781 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: ;;later tell mircea_popescu no no, I just enjoyed their hometown cuisine with sake, nothing more. hometown cuisine is not a euphemism.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: asciilifeform: i'm going to collect it all together
asciilifeform: moiety: might wanna look for a respectable translation of the whole manuscript.
asciilifeform: i've shat out maybe half, and not especially well.
moiety: i like yours.
asciilifeform: 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." (tale of drakula, the chieftain.)
asciilifeform: (prince? warlord? воевод doesn't translate well.)
asciilifeform: (for the uninitiated: not to be confused with the fictional 19th c. undead fellow.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 456 @ 0.00023101 = 0.1053 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
chetty: asciilifeform: воевод = Governor, but big chief or warlord is probably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087568 = 13.4417 BTC [+]
moiety: chetty: so, drakula the big chief?!
moiety: or if written in Hackney, Guv
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07349999 = 2.5725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
mike_c: i guess people either don't think JD is correct, or are just deliberately giving their money away. this guy is firing off 100 bets per minute. i mean, that is just the astoundingly worst way to bet possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00087455 = 11.9682 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: 2000 btc wagered in last few hours, and not surprisingly given how he is betting, he is down 23 btc, almost right on EV.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06528571 = 0.457 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: chetty: literally, 'he who leads us into battle.' the modern english word 'governor' has rather different connotations.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: e.g. modern russia fields a ballistic missile titled 'voevod.' can you picture naming a rocket 'governor' ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00550239 = 0.1321 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087468 = 7.7409 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.005497 = 0.896 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.005497 = 0.4617 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1245 = 0.249 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0709894 = 0.4259 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.541 = 1.082 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.5378722 = 15.0604 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.53557516 = 6.9625 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.53462825 = 6.4155 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.52354646 = 16.7535 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: and now for something completely different.
asciilifeform: [5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
bones`: no more drakula? I was enjoying that
asciilifeform: third time in the past year or so.
asciilifeform: and always at 0x48bd21, too.
asciilifeform: this being the 'reference client'
asciilifeform: on a 64-bit linux box.
asciilifeform: crash, evidently, is in 'ThreadMessageHandler'
asciilifeform: gentlemen start your engines.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 610 @ 0.0002305 = 0.1406 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: i'm too ignorant to know what this means
mike_c: oh no. that's a lot of globals..
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: it means a potentially-exploitable boojum.
asciilifeform: in the reference client.
asciilifeform: (bitcoind)
asciilifeform: probably naturally-occurring crash, given as the canary coin that lives on that box is still present.
jurov: interesting. i never had such crash, and running it 24/7 too
asciilifeform: also 24/7.
asciilifeform: 3 of these in the past 16 months or so.
mike_c: without having a repo, it doesn't seem hard to crash this if a null node gets in the node vector.
jurov: it is the same address despite there were updates?
jurov: or running some old version?
asciilifeform: only got dumps for the last 2 times,
mike_c: do you have symbols? I bet on this line: if (pnode->fDisconnect)
asciilifeform: version 0.8.6
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.54346587 BTC to 1`921 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: no symbols.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13554 @ 0.00087358 = 11.8405 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 46.37370840 BTC to 1`921 shares, 2414040 satoshi per share
mike_c: you have the code though, right? you could build symbols and use them to analyze the dump
mike_c: i mean, you know, if you didn't have anything else to do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00494209 = 0.4942 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11149999 = 0.7805 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: i'm not going to look at that code anymore because I will have to renege on everything i said the other day and agree that a new reference build is high priority.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00022801 = 0.57 BTC [-] {9}
asciilifeform: if bitcoind were written in common lisp or an equivalent (?) system, i'd be looking at an exact, human-readable and resumable-on-repair (!) halted daemon right now.
mike_c: you can edit-and-continue with some c++ debuggers. it even works 30% of the time.
asciilifeform: that's like welding a torn hair back together. sure, it's possible...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.16230094 = 7.3035 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09500001 = 0.285 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002256 = 0.2256 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00087424 = 13.6381 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 33 @ 0.16230094 = 5.3559 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 866 @ 0.000225 = 0.1949 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02421 = 0.1453 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0634 = 0.951 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.096 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.062 = 1.116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.09386249 = 1.1263 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 72 @ 0.16230094 = 11.6857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37432 @ 0.00021764 = 8.1467 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 72 @ 0.062 = 4.464 BTC [-]
cads: ahaha
cads: hey asciilifeform, so you were translating those stories from earlier?
asciilifeform: cads: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0735 = 1.1025 BTC [+]
cads: Where from? They were pretty good.
cads: It wasn't romanin, was it?
cads: darn
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: (scroll up for 2 more.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9600 @ 0.00021515 = 2.0654 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.00020689 = 0.1241 BTC [-] {5}
cads: haha, nice
cads: hey, so you guys think mt gox has earned too many strikes to keep playing?
cads: or has it just fallen into second place
mike_c: goxbux are worth less than 0.5 btc now..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9827 @ 0.00019425 = 1.9089 BTC [-] {10}
cads: what do you mean, it seems like if you had 300 dollars in a gox account now you could buy coin and jump out
ThickAsThieves: except you cant
cads: oh, right, that's what 'halted withdrawals' means
ThickAsThieves: if you are maybe lucky you can maybe jump out on Thursday
cads: woo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00087389 = 16.1233 BTC [-]
cads: this is like a full speed freight train that's been magically teleported 2 miles up into the sky
cads: above a residential area :)
cads: hurling wreckage
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.092 = 0.276 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001906 = 1.906 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.064 = 0.384 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0965 = 0.193 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: does anyone here have more than a 'purely zoological' interest in what happens to gox?
asciilifeform: because i sure don't.
mike_c: i think we all do in the same way we had an interest in SR failing. good for btc.
asciilifeform: one chump magnet dies, another takes its place.
asciilifeform: or ten others.
deadweasel: the dodo told everyone it could fly, when in fact it had never even sold a magic card...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]
jurov: you think anyone here will admit it has something there?
asciilifeform: i'll extend mp's thesis and conjecture that it died from, rather than in spite, of, the mountain of free advertising in u.s. mouthpiece media 'mtgox, the largest exchange, today, ... etc'
asciilifeform: do herds of chumps bring into existence chumpmeisters, or the other way around?
mike_c: well, it died from incompetence. herds of chumps is the only reason we are talking about them.
jurov: does anyone have a competence growing btc/fiat exchange
jurov: from 0 to 100000 users in few years?
jurov: i guess much better people than karpeles would get burned
asciilifeform: when you get 100,000 users, does satan appear before you and command you to 'take the exchange fractional' ?
jurov: they would still have to deal with banks. and they can be worse than satan.
asciilifeform: hence the question of whether an honest btc/fiat exchange is possible even in principle, without the cooperation of a sovereign.
mike_c: jurov, 0 -> 100k in a few years isn't that hard with appropriate resources (which they had)
mike_c: well, they had monetary resources. not talent resources.
asciilifeform: i think the implication might have been that 100k users turns you into a 'person of interest' for the vultures
asciilifeform: and then 'you can also have problems.'
jurov: dunno if sovereign changes anything. vatican supposedly has banned all electronic money transfers
jurov: *is banned from
wao-ender: is it? v0v, didnt know
jurov: nto even tourists can use ATMs there last time i heard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+]
mike_c: second market is legally & reliably exchanging bitcoin. who needs an exchange for HFT quants? nobody.
jurov: what is second market?
ozbot: SecondMarket - Simplified Transactions for Private Companies and Funds.
asciilifeform: mike_c: trololol
mike_c: what? you disagree?
jurov: that does not look like something for retail
mike_c: it's not. $25k minimum.
copumpkin: well
copumpkin: and accredited investor
copumpkin: which is uncommon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4931 @ 0.00087455 = 4.3124 BTC [+] {2}
copumpkin: also, those fees are ridiculous
mike_c: as opposed to gox's "we keep your bitcoin" fee :)
copumpkin: no, as opposed to buy your own coins and sit on them
jurov: ok, but we were talking about building exchange for 100k chumps
copumpkin: and pay no fees
copumpkin: and also, lots of people have $25k who aren't accredited investors
mike_c: well, i guess i'm saying an exchange defined as "hft enabled" is not necessary. just a place to buy/sell.
asciilifeform: the other crap aside, a service where you do not get to take btc 'home' at the end of the day ought not to be called a btc exchange.
asciilifeform: call it something else.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.09384531 = 1.22 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: A bug in Google's Chrome web browser enables malicious websites to activate your microphone and spy on conversations that happen next to your computer, even after you've left the website.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, using a browser made by a search engine was such a brilliant idea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: little bug closer to home: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511355
asciilifeform: when using a machine with hardwired cameras/microcrophones/anal probes, always smile and speak very politely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform voievode, whats wrong with that ?
mircea_popescu: gotta allow at least some of the ingredients' flavour into the finished dish.
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's always been (since inception) a set of people who believed it is thus exploitable.
mircea_popescu: whether this is like the set who still believes the ufos have landed or moreover like the set that does government's banking is hard to say
mike_c: well, this guy just spent 50 btc looking. he hasn't found it yet :)
asciilifeform: btc can be sent to look for vulns on its own? that's news to me.
asciilifeform: had no idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually that'd be duke, dux in the latin space.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: perhaps btc also knows how to bake cakes.
mike_c: spent. with a P.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0735 = 1.323 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: it is very easy to spend MAXINT coin, dollars, walnuts, etc. with no result.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got some old/bad libraries. i have a reference running since 2011 that never crashed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7855 @ 0.00087531 = 6.8756 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol @mike_c . head in sand eh ?
mike_c: buried.
asciilifeform: this is a box devoted to running the 'current' branch.
asciilifeform: with updated libs, etc.
mircea_popescu: cads> or has it just fallen into second place << the "it may continue in 2nd place" was april 2013.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00516082 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.099 = 0.297 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or ten others. << ten are better than one. like phone numbers.
kakobrekla: as long as its over mininum
mircea_popescu: mike_c> (which they had) << this is arguyable. the thing run in the red for most of its lifetime, and in a dubious field. they always had trouble finding investors, and the investors they did find were mostly of the imbecile sort. if you want i can dig up the trilema discussion re investors and why they suck, but you'll end up with more shit to translate as a result.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3946 @ 0.00087389 = 3.4484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00510478 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: it just doesn't take that much capital to scale to 100k. one good engineer is sufficient given the timeframe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of anyone running a current branch of anything that didn't crash.
mircea_popescu: what drakula'd do to the so called "programmers' doing this is left as an exercise to the current voievodes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, just like linux is sufficient for hijacking nuclear warheads in flight.
asciilifeform: imho gilged stake is too good for these folks.
mircea_popescu: maybe spiked stake.
asciilifeform: by some accounts, spikes (well, splinters) were considered a mercy, and used in extenuating circumstances, while grease on a smooth stake was used in aggravating ones.
asciilifeform: (unfortunately lack the 'citation needed' here)
mircea_popescu: this is possibly true.
asciilifeform: i suggest 'teflon' for the case at hand.
mircea_popescu: while i slept i dreamt about these two womenz having an argument which ended by leaving the other tied to a tree in the wild somewhere with her rectum stretch-filled with fresh mud.
asciilifeform: bonus of easier cleaning
mircea_popescu: the reasoning being that the shit'll dry and that's that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0048923 = 0.2446 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, one of danzig baldaev's comics had this exact scene in it.
mircea_popescu: it did ?
asciilifeform: (he is often said to have spiced things up a bit. so take with a grain of salt.)
mircea_popescu: mebbe i should check out this thing then
asciilifeform: if anybody has a warez copy of the whole 130+ set, drop it here.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is lnms and isch btw ? google couldn't just put a ?t=pix or some shit like normal people.
mircea_popescu: o no. gotta be isch and derpyderp and etc.
mircea_popescu: o wait this is the camp guard that documented the tattoos is he ?
asciilifeform: not only tattoos
asciilifeform: a real hieronymous bosch, this fellow.
mircea_popescu: look at that, the maddona-whore complex, in russian.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 318 @ 0.00083559 = 0.2657 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this has got to be marginal, is it ?
asciilifeform: 'i am an english, french, american, japanese, italian, german, and some other kind of spy...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the women specifically, is that nonsense a mainstream representation afayk ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me more like an import.
asciilifeform: depends, 'mainstream'
asciilifeform: 'the slaying by a convict of a 'bullock' during an escape from camp.'
asciilifeform: 'convicts, during escapes from far nothern camps of gulag lured with them (due to the impossibility of gathering adequate provisions while imprisoned) other inmates, who would be killed en route. such victims of cannibalism were known in convict argot as 'bullocks.' how many 'bullocks' were eaten up, is unknown.'
mircea_popescu: more interesting, how many troops of bullocks successfully took over the escape and ate the smartasses.
asciilifeform: never know who the bullock is until, well, bullock time
mircea_popescu: because without a 50-50 distribution cads mat has damned serious problems enacting his imagined polity into reality.
mircea_popescu: mat stands, of course, for may. rather than cunt.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the old "each table has a sucker or it wouldn't be a table. if you don't know who then well..." into a "each escape has its bullocks, and upon the eating of the first one you'll know whether you count with him by whether you're invited to dine."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: found your dream's woman. (warning to folks with weak nerves - medieval/inquisitory!) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WPS03cv5PlA/T6QfShY0W6I/AAAAAAAABAE/Ekx87gH6pXA/s1600/BaldaevGulag20_.jpg
mircea_popescu: not so by an ymeans.
mircea_popescu: atm trying to discern if indeed the left side girl in the earlier pic is or only resembles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the caption say ? my russian is too sucky.
asciilifeform: which one?
asciilifeform: ant girl?
asciilifeform: 'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc
asciilifeform: h 'flute', a rolled up tube for the ease of entry of ants. to the legs would be tied a 'spreader stick.' often the executioners were helped by female 'vor' ['thief-in-law'] inmates.'
asciilifeform: baldaev got quite a lot of shit for these, many folks insisted that he simply drew his fantasies (during his employment as a prison guard)
asciilifeform: the compendium is now a best-seller.
asciilifeform: incl. in american bookstores.
mircea_popescu: many folks = the anthropologically challenged.
asciilifeform: some scenes are a little bit stretching historical credibility, like this slave ship loading: http://cs409231.vk.me/v409231196/594d/FWKahJoz4aM.jpg
mircea_popescu: врагов enemies rather than devils
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, the allies used that principle in places during the dunkirk rescue.
mircea_popescu: wild times.
asciilifeform: caption notes that 'nets were eventually replaced with cages holding fifty men, due to high rates of trauma.'
mircea_popescu: when it's a case of "got five hours to get as many men on the boat as you can, and whoever's left gets to meet herr drakula"... trauma starts looking like cake.
Apocalyptic: for anyone interested the ATC ticker is up @ https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker
asciilifeform: here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg
asciilifeform: (i could translate caption but it's more or less self-explanatory)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic add some vwap stuff to it ?
kakobrekla: and vol
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, added on my todo list
asciilifeform: rectomurine cryptoanalysis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, momsoup ?
mircea_popescu: so why "almost certainly" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00087627 = 11.4353 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'in one cellar...' '...tire pump, soldering iron, bottle, ... rat, bucket on hotplate.'
mircea_popescu: the objection being that such a diverse collection of items could not be found in the same one cellar ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: no serious objection on my part, just that the author has a reputation as a teller of embellished tales.
asciilifeform: a herodotus of sorts.
mircea_popescu: but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory.
asciilifeform: hard to say. plenty of folks wrote that 'i did time, saw no such things'
asciilifeform: as you might expect.
mircea_popescu: many women could say "i've been around the block, there's no mp"
mircea_popescu: especially to their mothers.
asciilifeform: many arguments were against the 'political' slant of the book, rather than the facts. 'some english chick is sitting on a rat pot right now, but where's the book, hah.'
mircea_popescu: i doubt she is, tbh.
mircea_popescu: the main problem of the west is impotence.
mircea_popescu: what was cat again ? thief ?
asciilifeform: recidivist.
asciilifeform: russian blogger, circa '04: 'have you ever beaten a man? had you done so, you would know that it is hard work. no less arduous than turning a meat-grinder. how often do you wake up to the urge to crank a meat-grinder? every day?'
mircea_popescu: "many english girls will have their cute recidivist tattoos fed to them should they ever end up in kresty
punkman: cat is thief, goat is snitch
mircea_popescu: punkman there's some ethnic and geographic variation to it.
asciilifeform: historians divide the tats into two basic types, 'voluntary' and 'forcible.'
punkman: well yeah, you wouldn't tattoo snitch on your forehead
asciilifeform: ex. of the latter: a devil stoking a furnace (drawn around actual arse, it being the furnace)
punkman: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.0243 = 0.729 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: anyone interested in this subject can find all the reading material he wishes.
punkman: I got a couple books with tattoos, these russian books seem like a good addition
asciilifeform: by some accounts, the old traditions have died, and the days when a man would be severely punished for an 'unearned' tattoo are gone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the meatgrinder thing ; it's well documented that people doing time get bored.
mircea_popescu: if you had the option of running on a stairmaster or turning the meat grinder, what'd you take ?
asciilifeform: the man i quoted re: the meatgrinder was employed as a detective embedded in a prison, in what was then leningrad. he had an interesting take: much of what the rubes think of as 'the cruelty' was simply administration of justice among the convicts
asciilifeform: for real, as well as imagines, slights.
mircea_popescu: this would be true.
mircea_popescu: as best one can discern anyway.
asciilifeform: the most mortal sin was, as one might expect, snitching, followed by welching on debts.
mircea_popescu: i'd say that's the most improbable of the lot, actually.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: completely contradicts all notions of ritual purity. they'd have cut his head outside and behind
mircea_popescu: (ie, not by the door, by the opposite wall)
asciilifeform: this one is actually plausible. may be taking place in a barrack belonging to 'lower order' convicts
asciilifeform: (that is, 'political' types)
asciilifeform: cleanup left for them.
mircea_popescu: or like that i guess.
mircea_popescu: tho the people look comfortable
mircea_popescu: ie, not like they're visiting.
mircea_popescu: it's little things like that that grate. otherwise arguing against the message...
mircea_popescu: hard tack.
mircea_popescu: i'll show you i'm a convicted whore but hide my nipples and wear a slip!
asciilifeform: 'when we clean out his starfish, quickly he'll remember how he undermined soviet power and the party in his research institute with his cybernetics, this scoundrel...'
asciilifeform: this one's pushing it a bit
mircea_popescu: i agree.
asciilifeform: not because of the red hot poker, either.
mircea_popescu: this seems more like prospective than descriptive
mircea_popescu: if i may be pardoned the pun
asciilifeform: incidentally, few modern armchair generals seem to know that the forbidden 'cybernetics' had nothing to do with the construction of calculating machines
asciilifeform: but rather the glass bead game pushed by half-educated fans of norbert wiener & co. at the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it COULD have had something to do with calculating machines
mircea_popescu: or with breaking up the rain pattern
mircea_popescu: or with giving stalin colics.
asciilifeform: we may yet live to see boschean marvels like this one drawn about modern folks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.0735 = 1.6905 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: and sold in 'history for kidz' sections of trendoid bookstores.
asciilifeform: where i in fact saw baldaev.
mircea_popescu: sukas are modern, certainly.
mircea_popescu: when's your modernity start, last week ?!
asciilifeform: timeless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but as you observed, the age of the impotent. whose doings perhaps will not make for good pictures.
mircea_popescu: impotence never lasts.
mircea_popescu: it's a self-limiting condition.
mircea_popescu: there's only so much occupy bs the girls can put up with before eviscerating the doofus troop with their bare hands.
asciilifeform: then, pictures.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: but not before.
mircea_popescu: true, that.
mircea_popescu: i would guess your gb worth of footage is by and large worthless. curb your enthusiasm level.
asciilifeform: it certianly is.
asciilifeform: hence, not posted anywhere.
Mats_cd03: dongs
mircea_popescu: derpage abounds in history.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want two concubines dressed in exactly the same cut out of slightly different colored material but otherwise same textile,
mircea_popescu: with identical earrings outside of minor variations
mircea_popescu: and equally stupid hats.
mircea_popescu: clearly there's no cock involved in this entire thing at any juncture.
asciilifeform: in an account of turkish concubines, a venetian envoy noted that cucumbers were served to them pre-sliced...
Mats_cd03: thats my fetish
mircea_popescu: well yeah... ?
mircea_popescu: i had lunch today, the salad had cucumbers, they were pre sliced
asciilifeform: well, noted specifically that they were permitted through the gate only upon slicing.
mircea_popescu: do you suppose the concern was they may enjoy them through both ends of the digestive canal
mircea_popescu: or that they may contraband unapproved earrings in them, much to the anger and envy of all the other bored womenz ?
asciilifeform: presumably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6047 @ 0.00087661 = 5.3009 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how many people know of the war debt carusel in the context of the 1929 crisis ?
mircea_popescu: as in, all through the war the british were sucking captial out of the us, first in the form of cashing out their massive investments, then in the shape of borrowing.
mircea_popescu: this was being repaid after the war, principally from german reparations, which principally consisted of us loans to germany.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing ended in the 30s as perhaps the first major fiasco of the government-owned financial system.
asciilifeform: arse-mouth system.
asciilifeform: i though everybody knew.
asciilifeform: *thought
mircea_popescu: well, that's the problem with ww1, for the first time in history governments became a majority of the gdp,
mircea_popescu: basically the bolsheviks won anyway.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, we're talking 10 to 20 1930 bn dollars worth here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54999982 = 1.65 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.09999995 = 3 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that'd be roughly 30 to 50 or so thousand tons of gold, at the time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00087393 = 1.0487 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ww1 zapped the wealth, the rest, funny bookkeeping to cover for it
mircea_popescu: i wonder if germany is/will be told "fu, we're keeping the gold cause ww1"
asciilifeform: (not like they could've brought it back)
asciilifeform: gold for safekeeping, haha
asciilifeform: stalin, during famous party plenum, re: spanish civil war gold:
asciilifeform: 'these fellows won't see it again like they won't see their ears [without mirror].]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romania sent about a billion trillion tons of gold and shit back when russia was run by the tsar (and close ally / relative of the romanian king)
mircea_popescu: quoty Kosighin "what gold ? we have never heard of such a gold"
mircea_popescu: quoth birladeanu "here's in the soviet archives lenin recorded speaking of it"
mircea_popescu: "o... hm.... uhhhh"
mircea_popescu: the next day "clearly, you misunderstood something"
mircea_popescu: "the whites took it"
mircea_popescu: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html < economic crisis starts sort-of just as germany is done paying its 1953-reinstated, ww1 bonds.
ozbot: How Germany Ended Its World War I Reparations Payments - TIME
mike_c: more JD stats you are all dying to know: ROI on money invested last July and left alone since then: 14.5%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-]
jurov: lol and did you hear what italy just did?
mircea_popescu: jurov ayup.
mircea_popescu: mike_c whoa.
kakobrekla: is not bad
mircea_popescu: that is actually the most suspicious thing from all you've dug up so far.
mike_c: hehe
asciilifeform: why not 100%.
ozbot: "Money Launderer Until Proven Innocent" - Italy Imposes 20% Tax Withholding On All Inbound Money Tra
jurov: but it needs better source, it's based only on google translate
kakobrekla: why is it suspect
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because it matches other numbers
asciilifeform: what's the laffer curve for dekulakization anyway.
kakobrekla: ah you are trolling.
mircea_popescu: i r srs.
mike_c: that's an exclusive. nobody else haz that data
davout: greetings asseteers
mircea_popescu: heya davoutee
kakobrekla: mike_c exclusive is what asseteers are about, we exclude.
mike_c: except we publish the logs. gotta fix that.
mircea_popescu: nah, gotta keep publishing the logs to be just like the paris club or w/e.
kakobrekla: fuck the logs, carpe diem, sieze the day, miss it, fuck you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06742857 = 0.472 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: In 1924, an American banker named Charles Dawes outlined what came to be known as the Dawes Plan — a new reparations agreement under which U.S. banks such as J.P. Morgan issued bonds to private investors on behalf of Germany, which agreed to pay them back when the money became due. Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on this plan. But when the first batch of bonds came due in 1928, Germany again default
mircea_popescu: ed. So in June 1929, a new plan was enacted, floating more U.S.-backed bonds and reducing Germany's payments to $28 billion paid out over 59 years.
r3wt: How do i join the WOT
mircea_popescu: totally worth a nobel prize for going "hey guise, wouldn't it be better if we ipo that shit ???"
r3wt: for ATC
mircea_popescu: r3wt hi there.
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
ozbot: Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki
jurov: ^ r3wt
mircea_popescu: that prolly better.
kakobrekla: and if that is too much you can noob it out with ;;google bitcoin otc youtube
kakobrekla: or some shit
r3wt: jurov: thank you much my friend
r3wt: i was invited to join the WOT, i had never heard of it before now
mircea_popescu: gotta be in the wot.
r3wt: i was told to come here
mircea_popescu: which nobel prize story inspires me. shouldn't we have a yearly prize of some sort for some thing ?
kakobrekla: you came to the right church.
mircea_popescu: the #bitcoin-assets economic prize of economy ?
Apocalyptic: r3wt, I hear some people are waiting 2 days, maybe even more for withdrawals from openex, what's wrong ?
davout: kakobrekla: mass is in french
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i think you would have hard time finding the nominees
asciilifeform: if people want to hand out prizes for whatever, nothing's stopping them?
r3wt: Nothings wrong. i registered the llc and some of the staff didn't want to abide by the legal requirements and left. i've been afk, so withdrawals tend to pile up with no one to confirm them
benkay: 14.5% on jd investments eh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kakobrekla no but hear me out :
r3wt: other than Dogecoin everything is good
mircea_popescu: we collect a pot by donation, whoever wants to contribute. then the pot is on a fixed date distributed to one recipient.
mike_c: benkay: yeah. not bad for 7 months.
r3wt: but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end
mircea_popescu: all we need is to agree on some gross criteria, then people construct a nominee list and all contributors vote on it
mircea_popescu: proportional to their contribution.
r3wt: just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can
mircea_popescu: open source nobel prize.
mike_c: wouldn't that recipient have already amassed quite a sum by doing whatever he won the prize for?
mike_c: we're not exactly acadmeics here
mircea_popescu: r3wt well being here works wonders to defuse such tension.
mike_c: hehe. academics
mircea_popescu: otherwise people get antsy
mircea_popescu: mike_c you say that like it's a bad thing.
r3wt: we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either.
mike_c: i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace.
mod6: are you from openex, r3wt?
r3wt: mod6: yes sir
mircea_popescu: this is supposed to work so as to humble the nobel idiocy, not necessarily as to make the recipient rich.
mod6: ahh ok. ima pm u.
r3wt: you can tell me why im here?
mircea_popescu: after all, someone winning the nobel prize for actual merit is already independently well paid anyway.
mircea_popescu: take obama, he's not rich because he melted down the peace gold medal, he's rich because he bleed dry a quarter billion idiots.
mike_c: and he writes good books
mircea_popescu: definitely.
mircea_popescu: i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio
mircea_popescu: aptly titled "stakes"
Mats_cd03: merr
mircea_popescu: so looking in the deep of the deepest of your soul!! and such, what would be the criteria one'd actually meet you'd respect
mircea_popescu: for their economics contributions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: if anyone can vote to according to their btc deposit weight then we can end up with completely different game where mp always wins.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't deposit so much as to fuck things up
kakobrekla: how much is that much?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing.
mircea_popescu: what's even reasonable ? less than a third i guess
jurov: what if someone makes 51% attack and takes the pot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5257 @ 0.0002149 = 1.1297 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: i'll just deposit moar and fuck them ?
kakobrekla: that is what i was saying
mircea_popescu: i think it's defensible tbh.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have to be in our wot to contribute.
mircea_popescu: w don't want any random tard's calls and notions anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.00021498 = 0.6019 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.098 = 0.686 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well obviously we can't let this run as a dollar auction.
mircea_popescu: it has to be a gentleman thing.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of the point of it in the first place anyway.
asciilifeform: prize for what, again?
kakobrekla: ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00021499 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "for outstanding contributions in the field of economics"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, nick szabo.
Mats_cd03: lol...
mircea_popescu: just to pull out of my ass.
asciilifeform: is herr szabo in the wot?
mircea_popescu: there's hundreds to pick from, and none of them EVER make it on the libertard-run nobel rolls
mircea_popescu: because those are too busy giving the prize to retarded monkeys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the recipient wouldn't have to be in the wot,
mircea_popescu: the sponsors (ie, members of the academy) would have to be.
asciilifeform: you'd need an equally-reliable way to pin a public key on him
mircea_popescu: he can post an address on his blog.
asciilifeform: ('do business with keys' formula)
mircea_popescu: ;;google nick szabo gpg fingerprint
mircea_popescu: i guess not.
mircea_popescu: definitely herbi or mike_c could get one if they keep with their blogs.
asciilifeform: hundreds to pick from?
mircea_popescu: what's to keep them from it ? let the entire rest of the world learn what it has to do in the nwo.
mircea_popescu: drop all the rest, do this or perish.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform defo.
mike_c: hehe. me and nick szabo. no contest, he hasn't done anything in years!
mircea_popescu: easy win right ?
mircea_popescu: plus you're buddy-buddy with the entire fucking academy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's that retard someone was recommending buying puts on the stock indexes for 10 years, showing like -5% on his hedge funds lol
mircea_popescu: i could see him on the nominees list.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.098 = 0.294 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: so we're doing both 'ignobel' and nobel?
mircea_popescu: nono, just, i wouldn't vote for him
mircea_popescu: but i can see how someone'd recommend him.
mircea_popescu: gotta have disagreement and scream at each other to end up with a good prize.
mircea_popescu: im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works!
asciilifeform: if we do it with some fancy multi-keyed crypto widget, it'll double as a tontine...
mircea_popescu: may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes.
mircea_popescu: a mechanical turk you can have, an automated gentleman you can't have.
mircea_popescu: so srsly, no trolling, try and come up with a broad criteria. like a sentence or something, a paragraph.
asciilifeform: and then we do physics, chemistry... ?
mircea_popescu: cads herbi and whoever else this goes for you too, even if you're poor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do.
mircea_popescu: that's why godoshi has given us the concept of altcoins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1497 @ 0.00021499 = 0.3218 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if ppls wanna do physics too we do physics too. with a focus on rocketry or w/e interests us.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains that whatever interests us is what matters in the world henceforth, and whatever interests whoever else, seven billion anon rats, is not worth a cigarette butt.
benkay: i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work
mircea_popescu: if nothing else we'll at least get to find out about shit everyone else thought we knew about (tm)
mircea_popescu: such as for instance right now.
benkay: built a roll control unit, doing cool stuff with imus and measurements
ozbot: LV2.3 October 2010 IMU Data - YouTube
benkay: rocket is a hilarious hog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00087567 = 21.8042 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: basically built by ee's as a flight platform for their electronics
benkay: but its got some sweet mechanics too, you'll note that the fins spin independently of the rocket body
benkay: we reverse engineered that from other rockets controlled with canards
mircea_popescu: a you're part of it ?
benkay: cut, hardened and packed our own bearings
benkay: was at one point
benkay: it's a "student group" mostly made up of area professionals
benkay: big fucking bearings too
benkay: like
benkay: 6" id if i recall correctly?
mircea_popescu: wait on a rocket for fin control ?!
benkay: it prevents control inversion
mircea_popescu: how much do 6" hardened steel bearings weigh ?!
benkay: tiny small control surfaces at the top
benkay: har not a consideration for this hog
benkay: and the bearings themselves are actually pretty small - they're just races attached to the frame
benkay: anyways, it's required because you have these tiny little control surfaces that swivel around up at the top of the body
benkay: they induce airflow in a helix around the body, which when it impacts the giant stablization foils at the bottom
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, it occurs to me that bitcoin makes th ebest fucking prizes you can give :
benkay: on the first run this lead to an inversion of control, and eventually just crazy roll rates
mircea_popescu: the longer you go w/o spending it, the more your prize turns out to be.
benkay: then we decoupled the fins from exerting torque on the rocket body
benkay: problem solved
benkay: now the fins spin, and the rocket goes straight!
mircea_popescu: pretty cool idea.
benkay: at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team
benkay: carbon fiber airframe design!
mircea_popescu: 3d printer rocket battery.
benkay: i designed a regen motor for printing
mircea_popescu: now that's a fucking nightmare.
benkay: too scared to ever test it
benkay: but ah hang on
benkay: ha yes
benkay: this gentleman chose gox/propane
benkay: not your best ISP, but definitely your best bet on fuel choices that aren't lethal without millions of USD in support staff and infrastructure.
benkay: defo my mistake in designing my regen motor: going for Isp and not testability.
mircea_popescu: you mean Isp ? impulse ?
benkay: specific impulse, yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07378 = 0.2213 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah that'd be a strategic mistake.
mircea_popescu: you need management :D
benkay: i have learned this
benkay: i now have some
mircea_popescu: mazel tov
r3wt: gribble;;
r3wt: ;;gribble
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
r3wt: ;;gribble register
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
mircea_popescu: ;;register
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;register
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
ozbot: bitcoin-otc wiki
r3wt: hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG
ozbot: GPG Identity Protocol - bitcoin-otc wiki
punkman: pankkake: related, https://keybase.io/
mircea_popescu: pankkake it is.
pankkake: punkman: well the idea is interesting, but seems to rely on their website. also node.js :(
pankkake: meanwhile namecoin actually allows you to do this: https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake
mircea_popescu: yeah, the idea is not interesting.
mircea_popescu: "let us inject our stupid website spuriously" is not much of an ide.a
punkman: pankkake: I don't like that part either
punkman: but we can fix that
mircea_popescu: punkman you running it ?
punkman: I have nothing to do with it
pankkake: anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together
TomServo: ...YEAH 1 SEC, MINING ALTC0INS BY HAND
TomServo: ✓ signed by maria
r3wt: ;;bcregister r3wt 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ce803449b5f0c7085754f6594074cab76dcd45e0e6f813b45c5d79f9
pankkake: nice address
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: r3wt another thing you may consider is registering with nickserv. if your name is important to you.
r3wt: ;;bcregister HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=
gribble: (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;bcverify HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC
r3wt: ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in?
r3wt: hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands
r3wt: ./msg NICKSERV IDENT
r3wt: right?
davout: pankkake: the address is not really impressive, having the firstbits would be
mircea_popescu: something like that.
TomServo: r3wt: register and then ident, iirc
r3wt: in my dreams
davout: r3wt: isn't it /msg nickserv identify <pass>
r3wt: i'm already ident though
r3wt: says i'm already logged in as r3wt
mircea_popescu: davout when did firstbits become a thing ?
r3wt: they've always been a thing for superfags
mircea_popescu: i can't see how it's anything but a stupid idea.
mircea_popescu: perhaps a benign novelty of no use at the best.
davout: they're like vanity plates
davout: not useful, but nice gadgets
WillTablet: TomServo: how's that working for you?
WillTablet: (Mining altcoins)
TomServo: WillTablet: it was a paste from the keybase.io page
r3wt: i'm in the WOT now yes?
mircea_popescu: TomServo is that the maria ?
mircea_popescu: r3wt yes.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Yep
mod6: weird, no keyid or fp though?
mircea_popescu: seems apropriate.
r3wt: what is the WOT exactly? some type of bitcoin cult?
jurov: hahahahaha
ozbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087636 = 8.0625 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Trust relationship from user jurov to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
jurov: r3wt ask your users to rate you
mircea_popescu: r3wt pretty much, yes.
r3wt: so i just say, go rate my otc profile?
mike_c: hmm, better process withdrawals first
r3wt: already done.
jurov: and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business
mircea_popescu: its a tool to allow you (and us) to evaluate the credibility of agents.
r3wt: only one withdrawals sitting on the books, and it can't be processed yet. waiting on doge.
jurov: or not
r3wt: there is no trust in business. only money and contracts
mircea_popescu: yes. this would be the contracts part.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07105642 = 1.4211 BTC [-] {7}
r3wt: jurov: you should never trust me in the first place.
Apocalyptic: r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals
jurov: r3wt to put *coins into your thing some rudimentary trust is necessary
r3wt: Apocalyptic: are they foreighn? alot of times foreign people put their username or wrong addresses on withdrawals and they just bounce back into their account
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.095 = 1.805 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: lmao you don't log when someone inputs malformed address?
punkman: damn foreigners!
davout: some trust is also required for business, at least that the other the party will hold up to their part
r3wt: @jurov: yes its logged, but only from the queue. if people wanna be clowns then they can pay the price
r3wt: for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly.
r3wt: maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA
davout: r3wt: you have trouble validating bitcoin addresses?
jurov: i think now i know everything i need about you
mircea_popescu: you mean the checksum ?
ozbot: javascript address validation? 0.2 BTC bounty (bounty paid)
mircea_popescu: people apparently paid 0.2 btc bounties in may 2011.
mod6: r3wt: thanks for sending. all is good now!
r3wt: no prob
r3wt: @dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails
r3wt: so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so
r3wt: anything i change now will be temporary
davout: r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean?
mircea_popescu: seems like it
r3wt: i tried == to i believe.
davout: why not if($row["isvalid"])
davout: if it's a boolean that should be enough
mircea_popescu: you mean ! ?
r3wt: because it will return the trow anyway?
r3wt: when you rpc call it returns an array
mircea_popescu: r3wt is this thing you're using documented anywhere ?
davout: r3wt: using bitcoind right?
mircea_popescu: bitcoind in php ?
davout: mircea_popescu: why not?
davout: just tried it, it returns a bool
mircea_popescu: no reason i guess.
kakobrekla: its not "false" but false
davout: so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work
mircea_popescu: with a !
davout: mircea_popescu: oh yes
ozbot: [PHP] function isValidAddress($idtw,$address) { $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); - Pastebin.co
r3wt: no, we wrote custom wallet wrapper/object with modified bitcoinrpcphp
mircea_popescu: they see me sayin', they ignorin'.
davout: r3wt: so your wrapper converts a nice boolean into a cumbersome string?
davout: mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" ===
benkay: javascript: equality?!?!
pankkake: php has the same
r3wt: lol, no you seem to misunderstand
davout: if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out
r3wt: the files are out of date, but thats basically the class/wrapper
davout: r3wt: looks to me like the JSON is simply parsed so you should end up with a bool from validateaddress, no.
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mike_c: so you don't all think JD is just crapping money: ROI from july -> november = 0% all the gains have been since then.
r3wt: no it just returns the array.
r3wt: as far as i'm aware.
r3wt: you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see.
benkay: pankkake: the same craaaaaazy equality operations?
pankkake: yeah, really horrible behaviors
davout: r3wt: if it parses the json it returns a hash, or a dictionary, whatever you call it in PHP, with the "isvalid" key pointing to a bool
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davout: r3wt: test it out i guess
kakobrekla: >if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")
kakobrekla: "false" is not a bool
kakobrekla: did ya fix dat noobery
mike_c: which noobery? using php?
kakobrekla: he pasted that line here
mike_c: sorry, just had to get a php crack in there
davout: dear god, please let this not degenerate into a language fight
davout: :)
mod6: flame flame
mike_c: i held my tongue for like a whole page
davout: OH FUCK IT, IT'S ON
mike_c: rabble rabble PYTHON rabble rabble
r3wt: you can have your jabs now. in a few weeks you will have a mouth of crow
benkay: now now
benkay: make something useful out of php and nobody bats an eye
r3wt: HINT HINT: We rewrote the exchange in something special
kakobrekla: yeah but you got the crow now
davout: r3wt: in lisp?
benkay: Lua you said?
Apocalyptic: can't wait
r3wt: yep LUA
jcpham: rabble rabble
Apocalyptic: does LUA have the === operator ?
r3wt: actually not even lua really, just some home brewery with lua
benkay: no seriously, is it equal?
r3wt: just use ~=
Apocalyptic: just wondering
r3wt: !=
r3wt: so in lua its
davout: Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator
r3wt: ~=
mike_c: and the ever famous !==
r3wt: lol
davout: =~ is actually awesome
jurov: don't forget <>
mircea_popescu: import languages.
davout: lol
kakobrekla: benkay php is like real world, some are more equal than others.
Apocalyptic: r3wt, you should rewrite it in bitcoin script
davout: kakobrekla: lmao
Apocalyptic: now that would be a challenge
Apocalyptic: OP_CHECK_BALANCE OP_MAIL OP_WITHDRAW
pankkake: =~ is for using regular expressions?
mircea_popescu: i like the >=< operator.
mircea_popescu: kinda covers everything
davout: pankkake: yeah, checks for regexp match
mircea_popescu: which kind ?
davout: mircea_popescu: the infamous "figure-it-out-yourself" operator
pankkake: and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access
mircea_popescu: uh python does not have regexp ?!
davout: pankkake: i don't think you can
jcpham: MPEX FAQ #42: Figure it out yourself.
r3wt: ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one
pankkake: mircea_popescu: it does. but it's just a module, there's no quick access operator
mike_c: re.sub("php", "bugridden")
davout: r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-)
r3wt: nope, still didn't fix it
kakobrekla: no he is aksing if a fuction is a string "false"
Apocalyptic: *if a function returns
kakobrekla: lets broke it
r3wt: i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean
r3wt: so get it right
r3wt: was the string false**
mircea_popescu: <r3wt> ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this.
kakobrekla: double false.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, indeed
kakobrekla: i guess that makes it true
mircea_popescu: r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles.
mircea_popescu: it fixes your code.
davout: "if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")" <<< array, where?
r3wt: mircea_popescu: if anything its a good place to learn
kakobrekla: is the array containing string "false" ??
r3wt: yes, the row in the array will say "true" or "false"
r3wt: depending on if the address is valid or not
kakobrekla: but (i hope) its a bool ??
Apocalyptic: davout, in PHP a dictionary is an array
Apocalyptic: that's one of the beauties
davout: Apocalyptic: lol, why don't they call things by their names
Apocalyptic: "An array in PHP is actually an ordered map. A map is a type that associates values to keys. This type is optimized for several different uses; it can be treated as an array, list (vector), hash table (an implementation of a map), dictionary, collection, stack, queue, and probably more"
davout: "and probably more" <<< lmao
mircea_popescu: i like the "probably more" part.
Apocalyptic: cause you know, it's tedious to call things right
mircea_popescu: should be a php operator this.
Apocalyptic: haha mircea
pankkake: it's worse. lists and dictionnaries are both arrays
mod6: things can be other things
Apocalyptic: yeah pankkake, everything is an array !
mircea_popescu: mod6 like urmom!
r3wt: the adults are talking
mod6: haha
pankkake: and thus, if you export to json, empty "arrays" can end up as lists when you wanted dicts
mike_c: i like how it is "optimized" for all those things
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mircea_popescu: pankkake THAT'S OK MAKE EVERYTHING IN JSON A STRING
kakobrekla: ' == false ' < - comparing bool, ' == "false" ' <- comparing string
r3wt: yea i know the difference lol
davout: mircea_popescu there you go, PHP is the perfect randomness generator
kakobrekla: dafuq you comparing a string then for
pankkake: I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export
mircea_popescu: davout only for applications where it's not useful.
r3wt: because json rpc returns an array, not a boolean
mircea_popescu: is a boolean an array ?
r3wt: the class is the wrapper
mircea_popescu: it should be i reckon
kakobrekla: array can be anything
Apocalyptic: lemme check
r3wt: oh my god
r3wt: array("somekey" => "somevalue");
davout: mircea_popescu: guess you have a point
mircea_popescu: if $row["hello"] ~= "false[$world]"
r3wt: how can you have a boolean in an array?
mircea_popescu: worldends.jpg
davout: derp
r3wt: it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid?
pankkake: also sometimes, php dicts are forced into lists, if you have only numeric keys or something
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, $ php -r "var_dump(is_array(false));"
Apocalyptic: bool(false)
mircea_popescu: r3wt by making it a double.
kakobrekla: like $array['key'] = false
mircea_popescu: then all the bits in it are boolean.
davout: r3wt: why would it have to be a string??
r3wt: the array returns a string?
kakobrekla: do a var_dump($array)
kakobrekla: see what is what
Apocalyptic: r3wt, the array returns crazy things
Apocalyptic: be carefull with those
r3wt: ./altcoind validateaddress alfdjkaslflakdfja { "isvalid" : false }
r3wt: damn, it does return a bollean. you smart mofo
davout: it does, doesn't it
kakobrekla: i told you 356 lineas ago
davout: drop your equality test and keep the if
davout: kakobrekla: no, me
kakobrekla: fuck you ill edit logs
davout: LOL
davout: i yield
r3wt: $address = mysql_real_escape_string(strip_tags($_POST["recipient"])); $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); $validity = $wallet->validate($address); if($validity == false) { $errors[] = "Not a valid address"; $error = true; }
davout: r3wt: listen to what kako said goddommot
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mircea_popescu: i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already.
mircea_popescu: hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold.
mike_c: seriously... if (!$validity)
davout: then it has to be $validity = $wallet->validate($address)["isvalid"]
Apocalyptic: you can't do that in PHP
mircea_popescu: php does not allow things.
Jere_Jones: 5.4 does
davout: Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb
pankkake: hahaha
mircea_popescu: davout dumb is secure.
mike_c: please don't call php secure
mircea_popescu: to prove this : consider cheating wives. the dumb ones don't.
pankkake: simple is secure, not dumb
davout: pankkake: word
mircea_popescu: simple is doumbly secure.
davout: PHP burns my eyes
Apocalyptic: so does Perl
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's so insecure about php anyway. it securely failed the === "orly" test
mod6: na, perl?!
kakobrekla: <?php print('so basically you are unable to read this davout?'); ?>
davout: kakobrekla: not too long, my eyes are only partly melted
mircea_popescu: is there some system call construct in php ?
mod6: haha
mike_c: mircea_popescu: here's one reason: "PHP is built to keep chugging along at all costs."
mircea_popescu: run("hello i am running strings on your stack");
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's not automatically insecure.
ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad
Apocalyptic: kako, real PHPers use echo instead of print
mike_c: you don't see other languages accidentally crapping the source code all over the web when something goes wrong
davout: "PHP takes vast amounts of inspiration from other languages, yet still manages to be incomprehensible to anyone who knows those languages." <<< truth
mike_c: it's not automatically insecure, it just tends that way. which is bad.
mircea_popescu: well sure.
mircea_popescu: i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog.
davout: thank god nobody relies on a programming language for actual security
mircea_popescu: or w/e, a digital scrapbook for the information superhighway
ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness
mike_c: but he is not building a blog, he is building an exchange
mircea_popescu: this is what he thinks.
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic fortunatley being real phpers is not something to brag about
mircea_popescu: imagination has no impact on realitah still.
kakobrekla: echo that motherfucker.
peterl: who is building an exchange in php?
mike_c: r3wt. but don't worry, he's converting it to a custom lua engine
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mircea_popescu: wasn't lua supposed to be a scripting language ?
mike_c: it is. but node.js says that don't matter. you can build with anything.
mircea_popescu: Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it.
mircea_popescu: see, this i will dispute.
mike_c: hah. please do.
r3wt: php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has
mircea_popescu: 10mn people wrote === false code that worked.
mircea_popescu: that's like 100k man-hours.
mircea_popescu: the time thus spent resulted in at least 3k babies,
davout: if (x === true) { return true; }
mircea_popescu: out of which there were maybe even 2 actual programmers.
jurov: 100k manboobs
mircea_popescu: now show me any other language which actually MAKES programmers.
davout: sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this
ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness
Namworld: === in PHP? What the heck does that do? Can't recall ever using 3 =
mike_c: it means "equal in type and value"
mike_c: double equal means "almost everything is equal"
davout: how the fuck could it have the same value if it's not the same type
mike_c: seriously
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mircea_popescu: == is useless.
mircea_popescu: It’s not transitive. "foo" == TRUE, and
mircea_popescu: "foo" == 0… but, of course,
mircea_popescu: TRUE != 0.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is some epic shit
kakobrekla: ok so:
kakobrekla: what did i just type
davout: ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood!
kakobrekla: is it int or str
mike_c: int. no quotes.
davout: PHP looks like the language of choice for quantum physics
davout: "not sure, maybe we'll see at runtime"
mircea_popescu: so according to php is "1" = 1 evaluated to 1, 0 or what ?
kakobrekla: but i typed a str
Apocalyptic: <davout> ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! // sure, because maleability
mike_c: wait, isn't mtgox written in php? case closed.
blg: mtgox also uses tcp/ip case closed
mircea_popescu: == converts to numbers when possible ( 123 == "123foo"… although "123" != "123foo"), which means it converts to floats when possible. So large hex strings (like, say, password hashes) may occasionally compare true when they’re not. Even JavaScript doesn’t do this.
KRS-One: qbasic?
davout: mike_c: no, because frameworks
mircea_popescu: this is so great.
mike_c: yes, drupal will save us
davout: also midas
mircea_popescu: For the same reason, "6" == " 6", "4.2" == "4.20", and "133" == "0133". But note that 133 != 0133, because 0133 is octal. But "0x10" == "16" and "1e3" == "1000"!
davout: i don't want to live on this internet anymore
mike_c: kako, defend that. "133" == "0133"
kakobrekla: same amt of btc.
mike_c: lol. true.
mircea_popescu: Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only
mircea_popescu: does === fail to do object identity testing, it's simply '==', does all the "deep comparison" of ==, but also bothers to compare the type.
ozbot: PHP 5.2.0 Released - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all.
mircea_popescu: I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate.
r3wt: so i should be learning python and lisp or what?
mike_c: sounds like a kindred spirit doesn't he mp?
peterl: python is great
mircea_popescu: mike_c it was an enjoying read. i am a sadist :D
davout: r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning
r3wt: that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error
davout: but wanting away from PHP sounds like a sane thing if you're going to be programming moar
mircea_popescu: learning more languages never heart anyone, be they computer or natural.
r3wt: well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, absent any effort for deep understanding of meaning and grammar, no actual language learning takes place.
davout: r3wt: what makes a language hard to me is the lack of internal consistency it can have
pankkake: my innefiencies with php was mostly… looking up the order of function arguments, as they were so inconsistent
mircea_popescu: pankkake i was just reading that
ozbot: Order of arguments (array/string search) - PHP Sadness
pankkake: "implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order"
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r3wt: yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn
mircea_popescu: lol historical reasons
Apocalyptic: pankkake, now that's insane
davout: also easiest to get started with
davout: procedural is easiest to comprehend
mircea_popescu: so TIL that bitcoinaverage uses a ton of fictitious volume from crap like bitfines.
mircea_popescu: bitfinex
mircea_popescu: "volume_btc": 17716.99,
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mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one to trust an avg which includes > 25% pure unadulterated crud.
mircea_popescu: herpderp we've taken out mtgox, but we count bitfinex.
pankkake: r3wt: an advice for your current php code is not to use mysql escapes directly, but use http://php.net/PDO especially prepared statements. that way, you have less chance to forget an escape
davout: working out at bitfitness, bitches don't know bout my volume
mircea_popescu: 23293.31 from bitstamp, 17237.53 from btc-e, basically this is a joke.
mircea_popescu: there's officially no bitcoin average price signal out there.
mircea_popescu: "volume_percent": 30.15
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
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mircea_popescu: theres' ANX.HK Justcoin and a bunch of other crap with < 10 btc volume
mircea_popescu: why would anyone include this.
r3wt: pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA?
peterl: mircea_popescu: could you publish your own average bitcoin price?
ThickAsThieves: my openex withdrawals are done, the delay was partially due to Chrome autofilling my username into the address field
mircea_popescu: peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet
mircea_popescu: seems to be exactly counter to what im trying to do tho
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, it's ok you are a foreigner
pankkake: r3wt: just keep in mind if you write more php. almost all other languages have libs in the style of PHP PDO
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know that's pretty serious an issue.
nicknock_: mp: whats wrong about bfx?
r3wt: btw, openex lua is done man, it is a complete rethink. i would have a few days of moving/converting the db to the new structure but it is basically all done except for sockets and the migration of the db structure
FabianB_: coindesks bitcoin price index might be an option, but with only stamp and btce it's a joke too
pankkake: autofill is evil
mircea_popescu: nicknock_ see mpoe-pr's scamthread
peterl: don't most exchanges publish volumes and prices, shouldn't getting an average be pretty easy?
mircea_popescu: omg they have localbitcoins
mircea_popescu: so basically i can just put the price anywhere by reporting trades on localbitcoins
mircea_popescu: "Rock Trading"
mircea_popescu: wait, that's still in business ? didn't it turn scam a while back ?
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mircea_popescu: Vircurex doing an epic 2.13 btc
davout: mircea_popescu: you'd be paying them fees for this
davout: not saying it wouldn't be possible tho
mircea_popescu: davout i pay localbitcoins a fee to trade locally ?
mircea_popescu: how does that work lmao
Apocalyptic: yes mircea you do
davout: i don't, know, isn't that their business model?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea they even had a business model.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a site to meet federal agents posing as people who are trying to buy bitcoins to pay for stolen cards, rite ?
davout: check-out this faggotry, visit the link bitcoincentral.com
kakobrekla: i was expecting kraken
davout: kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: kraken is doing like 40 btc total.
kakobrekla: they also squated that much worth of domains
davout: somehow, two minutes after i tell lb owner about it my ip gets blocked, and the domain only works from my cell disconnected from wifi
mircea_popescu: who was arguing for the good idea=ness of using dead brands ?
mircea_popescu: there you go person : someone resurected the kraken harnett & co shat all over in 2012.
mircea_popescu: apparently it wasn't SUCH a good idea.
mircea_popescu: davout about what ?
davout: what about what?
mircea_popescu: "owner about it my ip"
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. /// as a mostly not programmer this aint so bad so far!
mircea_popescu: <php echo "okthen ThickAsThieves;">
davout: mircea_popescu: i told the owner, the kangasbros guy that bitcoincentral.com redirected to localbitcoins.com, a minutes after it gives me a blank page and starts working again as soon as i change IP
benkay: davout o.0
mircea_popescu: i may be in my slow mode, but i dont follow teh implicashionz.
mircea_popescu: why are you redirecting to him or what ?
davout: it's not mah domain
davout: mine is with a dash
davout: bticoin-central.net/com
benkay: that's a good squat
mircea_popescu: o o o so he's squatting is what you mean
benkay: what's better is his response to davout saying "hey squatter"
mircea_popescu: hahaha businessmen of egypt class of 2004
davout: benkay: denies at the same time, anyway
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is what is meant by the beetleman metaphore.
mircea_popescu: people with very flat profiles pushing very determinedly.
mircea_popescu: jurov here's the funny math on the topic : he could identify davout in his logs.
mircea_popescu: guess how much traffic he gets
benkay: sad trombone
mircea_popescu: to defray his $10 a year "investment" in "internet" "business"
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mircea_popescu: It’s not even consistent: NULL < -1, and
mircea_popescu: NULL == 0. Sorting is thus
mircea_popescu: nondeterministic; it depends on the order in which the sort algorithm happens to compare elements.
mircea_popescu: aahahaa what
mircea_popescu: null srsly < -1 ?
davout: SQL?
mircea_popescu: what, sql does that ? nowai.
benkay: but if you just avoid all those things you can write rock-solid code, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: benkay either that or discover more things.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine that list came prepopulated.
davout: no no no, NULL < -1 in SQL would result in NULL
ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad
mircea_popescu: pankkake i was quoting from there
pankkake: oh :)
pankkake: it's actually a good resource if you want to *learn* php
mircea_popescu: some of this shit is pretty impressive.
mircea_popescu: ?: is left associative
ThickAsThieves: "we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1" i missed the retro part initially ... wtf?
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mod6: You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. << lmao
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can do you one better : romania passed an organic law saying that the tax code can not be altered mid exercise
mircea_popescu: because the govt kept doing this.
mircea_popescu: the next year the tax code was altered mid exercise, and to be applied from the beginning of the exercise.
ThickAsThieves: can italy even keep up with verifying claims of exemption?
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: further improvement : the people who obeyed sucked it
mircea_popescu: the people who told them to fuck off got to get away with it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's planned to become delayed.
davout: in france we have invented something marvelously cynical : "l'abus de droit"
ThickAsThieves: also does Italy not want money coming there anymore?
davout: in other words, if you use the law to your advantage too much, govt gets to fuck you
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves italy thinks money has no choice
mircea_popescu: because all moniz lead to rome
mircea_popescu: or some retarded shit
mircea_popescu: (really, it doesn't want rich foreigners coming in scooping their shit country for cheap)
ThickAsThieves: well, bitcoin!
ThickAsThieves: sry Italy
mircea_popescu: davout romanian courts are like something from 1400 HRE.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any government in the world gets so badly raped in the courts as the romanian one.
davout: "HRE" <<< ?
ThickAsThieves: are bitcoin exchanges going to even be legal next year?
mircea_popescu: good illustration of this principle
mircea_popescu: holy roman empire.
davout: oh
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's the point. avoiding "all of those things" is an impossible task.
mircea_popescu: a state agency created to herpderp about us crapola fined a popular tv station for saying nigger or some such shit.
davout: ThickAsThieves: who knows... as usual, wear a condom and don't leave money on exchanges
mircea_popescu: the station sued the agency. the court ordered the agency stfu and pay the stations' lawyers
mircea_popescu: the agency was not built with a lawyer budget, so it couldn't pay
mircea_popescu: another court said stfu and pay or else we take your computors
mircea_popescu: and sell the employees into slavery.
davout: computors, who would've thought in 1900 that janitors would be humans in 2000 and computors machines
benkay: originally "these horrible credit card fraudsters"
benkay: now it's "they're just moving too much money. you're not allowed to move more than 30K without our permission."
mircea_popescu: the sides are stiffening, we shall have battle.
mircea_popescu: Including a file dumps its variables into the current function’s scope (and gives the file access to your variables), but dumps functions and classes into global scope.
mircea_popescu: so php does not actually have scope for anything but variables ?
benkay: stahp stahp stahp
benkay: leave poor php alone
benkay: you just don't understand!
mircea_popescu: well i guess why would anyone ever want function scope
davout: it would be so cool to have a consistent language where everything is an object that you call methods on
mircea_popescu: unless they were going to do something evil with it.
mircea_popescu: davout asm ?
davout: nah, i think it's named sapphire or sthg
mircea_popescu: Using a variable as a function name, or variable name, or class name. (silent)
mircea_popescu: for the record, mysql is equally idiotic about this.
davout: classes, functions, w/e they're all objects!
mircea_popescu: ppl spent half a day debugging bizarre eulora errors only to discover the name of a variable happened to be a language construct and those you have to quote a CERTAIN way
davout: mircea_popescu: well that's kind of like mpex, "here are the rules; like it or not, but its how this thing works"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.0894743 = 2.7737 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
benkay: what's eulora built in?
mircea_popescu: benkay php.
mircea_popescu: srsly : it's largely c++
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu And THAT is a beautiful language.
mircea_popescu: there are some ad-hoc scripting things we're fighting with atm
mircea_popescu: i'm still waffly whether the entire thing should be torn out and re-written (which you know, 16th standard problem as well as joel's netscape objections)
mircea_popescu: or just try to live with the idiocy of nonsensical xml horror.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones sure, for the first 1k lines.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08880003 = 0.1776 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: I enjoy it.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the kids don't seem to, which means you'll probably have your work cut out for you until you fall over
mircea_popescu: seeing how most everything that actually works is actually c
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08880001 = 0.5328 BTC [-] {3}
Jere_Jones: If I'm lucky. :)
mike_c: i hope eulora isn't rolling its own xml encoder/decoder. that sounds painful.
mircea_popescu: mike_c whatever's in the code is currently xml-ish.
mircea_popescu: if it rolls its own it ain't gonna be xml.
mike_c: xml-ish :)
mircea_popescu: but probably... lua. i guess.
benkay: HA
mircea_popescu: which will make r3wt's exchange implementable as a crafting station in eulora
mike_c: sounds like.. html!
asciilifeform: anyone remember the multi-MB nsa turd in lua?
mircea_popescu: mike_c do you know of any implementation of xml that is actually not xml-ish ?
mircea_popescu: i mean in some sort of application with some other function or destination than showcasing xml
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vaguely.
mike_c: xml is just a data format. if it's not being handwritten why not be strict?
mircea_popescu: mike_c but as to the practical question...
mike_c: not sure i follow. you mean like soap?
mircea_popescu: i mean like a cheese grater or a rocket designing gui
mircea_popescu: that for some reason included a xml parser
mircea_popescu: and the thing was actually xml as opposed to xml-ish
mike_c: i would say any website service that uses soap to communicate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09899999 = 0.396 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: first fucking thing. "You can choose to make your Web service compliant or non-compliant, depending on your needs."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
ozbot: Help - Rational Application Developer
mircea_popescu: atrocious fucking site ibm has too
mike_c: hm, well, can you provide an example of a reason you would need to not be compliant?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the lua relation seems merely happenstance
mircea_popescu: mike_c none. but im just saying practically, people do what they do.
Jere_Jones: It isn't a matter of needing to be non-compliant. It would be a matter of not needing to be compliant.
Jere_Jones: Compliant requiring more resources.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was genuine lua in the turd
asciilifeform: or did you mean something else
mircea_popescu: i mean " multi-MB nsa turd in lua" shoud have read "the lua in the multi-MB nsa turd"
asciilifeform: ah well yes.
asciilifeform: the art of turdcraft has really gone down hill, people write shit in vb even.
mircea_popescu: The White Hat RAT – A legitimate network administrator needs to quickly perform updates or solve problems for numerous users, so he has a legitimate reasons to install a remote administration tool on all of the systems under his supervision. This would allow him to make changes and/or catch people going against the companies computer use policy for all of the users without leaving his desk.
mircea_popescu: you have to be completely broken i nthe head to imagine there is such a thing as a legitimate rat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember 'back orifice' ?
asciilifeform: what it was named after.
mircea_popescu: well ya, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: yeah i never understood the appeal of giving slaves actual computers. give them graphic terminals and be done with it
mircea_popescu: no computers for slaves.
mircea_popescu: if you need the admin to fix your computer you may not use one.
mircea_popescu: back in the day a man became eligible for marriage once he could fix his own fucking cart.
asciilifeform: someone still uses ftp!
mircea_popescu: “Hacker’s cannot usually upload information to a website,
mircea_popescu: srsly, 7800 fpt servers, what is this, noob tv ?
asciilifeform: stoopid folks are stoopid, news at 11
asciilifeform: who the hell pays for trojans, also
asciilifeform: i never understood
mircea_popescu: Guy eating in an elegant restaurant in Montreal leaves his table to use the men’s room and comes out screaming.
mircea_popescu: “Monsieur! Monsieur! What is wrong?”
mircea_popescu: “I used the faucet for cold and the hottest water came out.”
mircea_popescu: “Ah, Monsieur “c” is for chaud, which means hot in French.”
mircea_popescu: “But the other faucet has a ‘c’ on it too.”
mircea_popescu: “That ‘c’ is for the English word cold.”
mircea_popescu: “That’s crazy.”
mircea_popescu: “No, sir, not crazy” said the maitre d’, “We are a bilingual city.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00087418 = 0.6119 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: interesting what they need laws for.
ozbot: New law bans shackling of incarcerated women in labor » Correctional Association of New York: Corre
asciilifeform: re: 'keybase' link: brilliant honeypot
benkay: am i supposed to read this florida thing to imply i can move 20k+ but but 20k-??
mircea_popescu: "The first time I went to jail I was 18 years old. I had gone AWOL from the navy, was living with 3 prostitutes, and befriended an older Marine. The Marine and I decided to pull an armed robbery of a small convenience store. A policeman happened to be in the area, and after a long chase we were arrested and went to jail."
asciilifeform: '...certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above...'
asciilifeform: '...co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase.'
asciilifeform: 'famed artist & designer'
asciilifeform: scroll to bottom
mircea_popescu: i dont have the shit loaded
asciilifeform: keybase.io
blg: benkay: are you referring to the secret service arrests of localbitcoin users?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1410 @ 0.00020107 = 0.2835 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: blg yup
asciilifeform: Max Krohn
asciilifeform: co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase
asciilifeform: keybase.io/max
asciilifeform: MIT Ph.D., PDOS Group
asciilifeform: Chris Coyne
asciilifeform: co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase
asciilifeform: keybase.io/chris
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Chris Coyne Max Krohn Caroline Hadilaksono - 10 fucktards
gribble: Error: 'Coyne' is not a valid integer.
asciilifeform: chriscoyne.com
asciilifeform: Caroline Hadilaksono
asciilifeform: famed artist & designer
asciilifeform: keybase.io/chadilaksono
asciilifeform: www.hadilaksono.com
asciilifeform: hard-working public servants!
mircea_popescu: send the fingermen.
asciilifeform: the fucktards are the lusers.
asciilifeform: hell, it's exactly as dumb as 'online wallets'
asciilifeform: let's store private keys on this other fellow's box!
asciilifeform: what could go wrong.
asciilifeform: embrace & extinguish (TM)
mircea_popescu: no cause they're encrypted you know.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the positive here is that all these fucktards are rapidly giving old style fiat credentials a bad name.
mircea_popescu: o, you're from X company ? so you're too stupid to live, right, just like the geniuses that founded okcupid, facebook, whatnot.
asciilifeform: channelling herr moldy and orlov: '...it's not clear that you'll want the old world on your resume.'
mircea_popescu: definitely clear you don't.
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how the stupid work for the smart whether they like it or not.
punkman: keybase.io wants people's private keys? lulz
davout: wai
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: can't believe nobody noticed that tidbit
davout: srsly?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're the first one that read the site
mircea_popescu: probably since its inception
asciilifeform: i always think, 'scroll down to where the bastard wants your keys'
davout: i skimmed over it and concluded, maybe too fast, that it was just syntactic sugar around the gpg binary or sthg
asciilifeform: the less dour the presentation, the more childlike the graphics, the more guaranteed.
punkman: I just liked the command line utility, I want to associate nicknames to keys
mircea_popescu: punkman what's wrong with, you know, the wot ?
davout: punkman: you don't have autocomplete for key names?
punkman: davout, does gpg already do that?
asciilifeform: 'syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semicolon.'
davout: punkman: i'm a heretic, i'm on osx, but the gpg i have does it, o wait, its probably zsh, stupid me
asciilifeform: at any rate, a beartrap is a beartrap, stick your foot in if you enjoy that kind of thing.
davout: but even without autocomplete you can just give the first unambiguous chars of a key name and gpg will be smart enough to pick the right one
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, gpg already recognises destinations by name, email, keyd out of the box
davout: works with -r and -u
mircea_popescu: what is the functionality sought here ?
davout: moar convenience i guess, but that's what you describe, gpg is smart enough if there's no ambiguity
asciilifeform: to entertain people with cartoons while they lay back and get pwned
asciilifeform: just the same as always.
punkman: I haven't used GPG enough then
punkman: (I am registered on WOT though)
ozbot: Memories of Rape
davout: punkman: if you're on osx chain it with pbpaste and pbcopy for extra awesomeness
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.099 = 0.693 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0993 = 0.3972 BTC [+]
punkman: davout: I never liked OSX
punkman: or the cloud
davout: or cunt
punkman: no I just had some cunt
punkman: and a tangerine
davout: hehe good for you
punkman: amazing tangerine
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
davout: anyway, chain gpg with whatever streams your clipboard from or to the standard input
benkay: (pipe)
davout: benkay: what, are words supposed to have a meaning now?
davout: well... pipe it then :-)
pankkake: ceci n'est pas un pipe
davout: i'll pipe pankkake to /dev/null
Apocalyptic: *une pipe you mean
pankkake: tu me fais une pipe ?
Apocalyptic: no chance
davout: disregard this, i perform pipes
pankkake: can't deny it, being a mac user and all
mircea_popescu: is that slang for a blowjob ?
davout: yes
punkman: so which ugly cunt can I diddle to get some ratings, http://oglaf.com/audition/
mircea_popescu: where's the cock spool one
ozbot: good behavior
davout: what's a spool?
mircea_popescu: moulinette ?
benkay: that one cracks me
benkay: cracks me up
benkay: the spooling
benkay: my sides
mircea_popescu: (make sure you hit next page, its a 2 page one)
mircea_popescu: davout a spool is the object upon which you collect a thread
mircea_popescu: be it fishing line or optic fibre
davout: mircea_popescu: ok
mircea_popescu: as well as the thread thus collected
davout: une bobine
mircea_popescu: isn't that the electric itam ?
davout: it's both
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001898 = 0.1898 BTC [-] {6}
davout: also used for rolling movies up
davout: that a spool too ?
thecapitalr: whats everyones thought on CBTC?
mircea_popescu: thecapitalr what's cbtc ?
thecapitalr: casinobitco.in
mircea_popescu: davout that's a reel.
davout: aaah
davout: i heard this word before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22316 @ 0.0008745 = 19.5153 BTC [+] {2}
thecapitalr: yeah i saw that
mircea_popescu: davout it exists as a verb too. to reel = to shake from side to side.
thecapitalr: is that legit?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean is it legit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1773 @ 0.00018227 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {5}
thecapitalr: i mean are they really faking their numbers
mircea_popescu: seems the linked post is made out of fairly uncontroversial and easily checked statements.
mircea_popescu: the impugned cbtc stuff however doesn't meet the same standards.
punkman: anyone notice that doge-dice is making more money than just-dice?
mircea_popescu: in actual btc ?
pankkake: because it didn't have a nakowa early on, I suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00087415 = 20.3677 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: mircea_popescu: I think so
mircea_popescu: i defo never noticed that
pankkake: in total btc really?!
benkay: wow
mircea_popescu: how many trillions of doge does one need to bet ?
asciilifeform: re: reference client rewrite etc. : http://oglaf.com/chronotherapy/
Duffer1: thecapitalr just keep your btc bro
thecapitalr: what do you mean? i own shares in the company already im thinking bout selling them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahaha epic
Duffer1: personally, I'd sell
mircea_popescu: thecapitalr you bought at 18 or w/e it was ?
thecapitalr: i bought two weeks ago at 18
pankkake: I bought months ago at 18. I sold
pankkake: well, 18 then 13, but.
kakobrekla: !t h cbtc
assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00018001 / 0.0002106 / 0.00024700 (120310 shares, 25.33788095 BTC), 7D: 0.00002001 / 0.0001689 / 0.00025999 (1044852 shares, 176.47235917 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00013876 / 0.00025999 (2428517 shares, 336.98324991 BTC)
thecapitalr: ok thanks guys i gotta go ill probably sell it sketchs me out
pankkake: what's sketchy? I'm not following
mircea_popescu: why ask two weeks after rather than two weeks before ?
asciilifeform: parachute theorem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09915 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {2}
thecapitalr: ha cause i just found this chat room
thecapitalr: and i thought that it was a good buy until i read that post on bitcointalk...
ozbot: Game of Death
asciilifeform: gorbama.
ozbot: TopatoCo: Oglaf Book One (Adults Only)
punkman: oglaf deserves some love
mircea_popescu: punkman i agree. sadly they don't respond to emails and don't have a (working) relationship with an agent and don't fuck anyone i fuck and so on.
mircea_popescu: consequently, the love will have to wait cause im not about to give topatoco w/e 20 dollars so some people i like can make 30 cents
peterl: does oglaf have a bitcoin donation address?
punkman: I gifted a book to a friend, not sure she appreciated it
peterl: xkcd does, I have donated
mircea_popescu: peterl whatever they have they don't pass the openbsd test
mircea_popescu: i guess much in the way thepiratebay doesn't.
mircea_popescu: people will have to learn to do this.
punkman: no word from piratebay yet?
peterl: what is the openbsd test?
BingoBoingo: peterl: Are you capable of accepting money for having done a good job pretty much.
mircea_popescu: the openbsd test is a venue where i can go hi take me to your leader and they do.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0995 = 0.2985 BTC [+]
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (337 shares, 1.85350000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (5354 shares, 29.44700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (32725 shares, 179.98750000 BTC)
peterl: is that how openbsd got a bunch of money from you, by passing the test?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't HAVE to be an irc chan, but that's prolly the simplest implementation.
mircea_popescu: peterl yeah.
pankkake: weird as they even mention the channel https://thepiratebay.se/contact
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: and also if anyone actually manages to get in contact,
pankkake: someone told you to use exoclick?
ozbot: The strange case of the delusionist and later stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: 'dog sees master as large dog' theorem.
mircea_popescu: "equal sized dog of same gender and age"
mircea_popescu: pankkake its what they use atm.
mircea_popescu: and since we're taking wired, blaze, washington post and all the rest of the crap, here's some interesting internets newz :
pankkake: sure, but the form has a "ad inquiries" choice
ozbot: New York company says it can beam free OUTERNET Wi-fi to every person on Earth | Mail Online
asciilifeform: why dignify this horror with a link ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: is wifi from satellite even feasible?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's about on par with all the other media crap
mircea_popescu: you see a difference ?
mircea_popescu: punkman sure it is. in the sense the sec and italian govt and everything else are feasible,
asciilifeform: it comes with an extra helping of insult to the intelligence of a five-year-old ?
mircea_popescu: i would guess beaming skittles from mars is also feasible.
punkman: how is my puny wifi card gonna talk back to the sat though?
pankkake: so trees stop wifi but space doesn't!
mircea_popescu: power of wifi frindsheep ?
punkman: myeah
mircea_popescu: it's one way internet
mircea_popescu: like cable tv.
asciilifeform: i suppose there, somewhere in the jungles, there still lives a fellow who has seen neither end of a satellite tx/rx.
mircea_popescu: kinda what verizon and etc have been trying to build all along
asciilifeform: (the physical ends.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00087372 = 29.6191 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, where is that horror from ?
asciilifeform: i honestly can't remember where i lifted it
asciilifeform: the original seems to have vanished into the aether.
ozbot: Rite of Passage
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/ << the habeas corpus series made me irlol
ozbot: habeas corpus
peterl: if MP is reacing out to do advertisements, should we expect the price of S.MPOE to go up soon?
Apocalyptic: peterl, are you really expecting an answer to that ?
mircea_popescu: either that or down.
peterl: ;)
punkman1: mircea_popescu: is this month gonna have more new accounts than previous one?
mircea_popescu: i guess we see when the reports come neh ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00087665 = 33.2689 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: meanwhile, at ft. meade: http://oglaf.com/trapmaster
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087349 = 6.0271 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: that's the cartoon of Altcoin
thecapitalr: you guys like neobee?
thecapitalr: i threw .2 BTC into it a while back... not a whole lot obviously but enough to test the waters
benkay: what ams even neobee
benkay: if you're operating at the interface of fiat and bitcoin, you're going to have a bad time.
benkay: i'm much more of a niobe kinda guy
benkay: 'cause you know
benkay: TITS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22136 @ 0.00087326 = 19.3305 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ThickAsThieves: what is the actual deal with Neobee after all?
kakobrekla: wait now i get it
kakobrekla: nubbins pissed cause neobee doesnt use him to print their shits
benkay: actualy neobee is a great name
pankkake: Neo & Bee
benkay: It was on occasion of the annual celebration in honor of Latona and her offspring, Apollo and Diana, when the people of Thebes were assembled, their brows crowned with laurel, bearing frankincense to the altars and paying their vows, that Niobe appeared among the crowd. Her attire was splendid with gold and gems, and her face as beautiful as the face of an angry woman can be. She stood and surveyed the people with haughty looks. "What
benkay: folly," said she, "is this! to prefer beings whom you never saw to those who stand before your eyes! Why should Latona be honored with worship rather than I? My father was Tantalus, who was received as a guest at the table of the gods; my mother was a goddess. My husband built and rules this city, Thebes; and Phrygia is my paternal inheritance. Wherever I turn my eyes I survey the elements of my power; nor is my form and presence
benkay: unworthy of a goddess. To all this let me add, I have seven sons and seven daughters, and look for sons-in-law and daughters-in-law of pretensions worthy of my alliance. Have I not cause for pride? Will you prefer to me this Latona, the Titan's daughter, with her two children? I have seven times as many. Fortunate indeed am I, and fortunate I shall remain! Will any one deny this?
benkay: oh pastebin
benkay: sorry guys
thecapitalr: i sitll like them... interested in seeing what happens on the 23rd after their ipo runs out
benkay: anyways, point is some mortal gets arrogant and struck down by the gods
benkay: thecapitalr: what were the terms of their ipo? "buy our stock at this price, trading begins on this date"?
benkay: three month gap between first stock on sale and first public trade?
thecapitalr: im not sure.. i honestly am just learning.. I know that their IPO price on LMB holdings is .003 but you have been able to trade it on havelock for a while. The price on havelock is also ~.003
thecapitalr: they are not selling it on LMB after the 23rd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00087123 = 34.5007 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.06882355 = 1.17 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00087077 = 22.4659 BTC [-]
benkay: i dunno man
benkay: i just don't see the genius, thecapitalr
benkay: i just don't see any good reason to move my btc into neo/bee's pockets
pankkake: I think it's the other way. you move your EURs
pankkake: if they manage to have many merchants in cyprus, why not?
pankkake: though the question is… what has bitcoin to do with it
benkay: i have 1 investment.
benkay: btc.
benkay: some speculative plays in mpoe, nsa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00086994 = 25.2283 BTC [-]
benkay: the fundamentals of neo/bee are horrible compared to the btc fundamentals.
pankkake: s.nsa is mostly an investment in btc at this point :)
benkay: it's got a nice bottom
benkay: HEYO
pankkake: I'm not discussing the merits of neo&bee as an investment
benkay: and by bottom i mean foundation?
herbijudlestoids: hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price
benkay: o i am.
benkay: what ams even blog, herbijudlestoids?
pankkake: yeah, but I think we would agree on it, so, nothing else to say ;)
Alex_Vertiez: wtf is this chat
benkay: chasing that -assets economics award?
benkay: blogspot?!
ozbot: bitquant: Intrinsic Value and S.MPOE Market Implied EPS Growth
herbijudlestoids: feedback appreciated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00087087 = 26.039 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: TL;DR
benkay: har trolling business partner
benkay: "it has curly braces! it must be javascript!"
benkay: regarding 'go'
benkay: the least google-able programming language.
pankkake: golang
ozbot: Disney absorbs Infoseek - Jul. 12, 1999
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00087245 = 38.0388 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: i know pankkake - still a horrible name
KRS-One: makes me think of flat woman tits
KRS-One: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 85 @ 0.00480078 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 214 @ 0.00472864 = 1.0119 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 76 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3572 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: punkman1
nubbins`: replacing my OTPS url with yours, obv
nubbins`: wait, no, i mean davout
nubbins`: kakobrekla, tsk, accusing me of such things ;D
nubbins`: Namworld, chess?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13242 @ 0.00087415 = 11.5755 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, wanna play ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28806 @ 0.00086993 = 25.0592 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: yeah, just gimme a couple minutes to set up
benkay: u guys why ams even database password?
benkay: so much cargo cult
benkay: crazy rando db password 'cause what if cluster am breachified
benkay: password which is in source control.
nubbins`: that's not me, i don't have a chess.com account
Apocalyptic: was refering to the dog though
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: not bad
nubbins`: anyway, if you hadn't offered to play, i would have burned my bread. just grabbed it in time
nubbins`: you want white or black?
pankkake: benkay: well don't put it in your source control silly
nubbins`: or should we flip a ;;coin
Apocalyptic: go ahead and flip
nubbins`: you call it!
benkay: pankkake: i'm talking about everyone else out there
benkay: and also ssh keys all the thing
pankkake: I haven't seen it much, but maybe because I usually influence those things
Apocalyptic: ;;coin
gribble: heads
Apocalyptic: means i'm white
pankkake: a lot of frameworks allow you to keep some things separate easily
nubbins`: works for me
benkay: i mean i just don't get it
benkay: unless you have the rigor to do a '12f' application, don't fuck around with cargocult 12fa
benkay: just lock the boxes with ssh and go smoke a bowl breh
decimation: ugh. reading net.cpp from bitcoind that asciilifeform pointed out yesterday is a crazy mess
decimation: random locks everwhere
benkay: link!
benkay: i demand a link
pankkake: eh. postgres does not even require passwords, provided the querying user is in the right group or something
decimation: optimization for supposedly transparent features
benkay: see? it's great.
benkay: unpassword all the things
benkay: secure acces with *nix roles and ssh
benkay: sufficient for like 90% of cases
pankkake: I use tunnels for a lot of things
benkay: problem is everyone wants to think they're in the 10% of cases that need rigor
Apocalyptic: <nubbins`> Ng6 << illegal move
pankkake: (not necessarily SSH tunnels)
nubbins`: sorry, Nf6
benkay: i keep a repl in production
benkay: <- kidding
benkay: (sorta)
pankkake: and yeah, authentication on the protocol level is usually useless, redundant, and a liability (i.e. "can you really rely on it")
pankkake: I would never open a mysql server to the world, always use a tunnel
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids> hullo guys, i wrote a new blog...because i was reading teh log.bitcoin-assets and saw i could earn teh nobel -assets price <<< lawl
mircea_popescu: see, it werks!
mircea_popescu: of course, blogspot can never qualify for assnob price
nubbins`: don't hate on the man's hosting!
pankkake: blogger makes static files and easily exportable data. not much to hate.
pankkake: except it's from The Google
nubbins`: pff, as if staying away from blogger is going to make a difference there
mircea_popescu: decimation glad you're having fun :D
nubbins`: blogspot, even
pankkake: herbiju*: I'll provite leet hosting for a 5% cut of the prize
benkay: wake up nubbins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00087487 = 18.8097 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: it's 2014 nao
pankkake: it's tumblr now?
mircea_popescu: pankkake the extent of your demands makes roses wilt in the fields.
mircea_popescu: srsly, static filed and "easily" exportable data ? that's it ?
nubbins`: benkay, 20-what?
pankkake: it means you are free to move elsewhere quickly
nubbins`: WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN :D
mircea_popescu: so if i rape you with a door open that's good enough.
mircea_popescu: whenever you're done taking it in the ass you can move quickly
mircea_popescu: with a prolapsed colon and barefoot down the street.
pankkake: but how can blogger rape?
nubbins`: ^ fair question
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood. say by putting a link TO THEMSELVES on your shit.
mircea_popescu: say by deciding which of your articles need a special click through page.
pankkake: the second you don't like it you can move out
mircea_popescu: say by disqus-ing your commenters avant disqus was invented even
mircea_popescu: i bet that's how disqus was born, some ycombinated heads were sitting around and one went
nubbins`: sorry, Qc7
mircea_popescu: 'you know what'd be really retarded ? if we made blogspot-style comment forms like a stand alone"
pankkake: typically disqus is shit because you don't have control of the comments
mircea_popescu: that second was in 1997.
benkay: maintain all files locally.
benkay: generate html
benkay: push to arbitrary box.
pankkake: disqus exists because static blog generators didn't resolve the comments part; and making the result worse in the end!
pankkake: and until I have a mail-to-comment gateway, I'm sticking to wordpress
benkay: yeah the comment engine thing is a problem
benkay: not really a big problem in the grand scheme of things
nubbins`: Bxf6
benkay: but still leads to all sorts of derpage in public like disqus
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? "next blog" ?
mircea_popescu: how is this bullshit even allowed to exist ?
nubbins`: wordpress is okay
mircea_popescu: blog on blogspot, make a yahoo stores shop, bank with paypal, wtf is this, reddit ?!
nubbins`: Qa5+
benkay: re: variety speak
pankkake: wordpress.COM has much less shit
pankkake: and well, you can go from the .com to your own instance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 140 @ 0.0055 = 0.77 BTC
mircea_popescu: "This video is unavailable."
nubbins`: honestly the only hassle with wordpress.com is trying to funnel both your email and your web traffic through the same domain
nubbins`: inexplicably complicated
mircea_popescu: they too lazy to properly set up zones or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.00087709 = 2.048 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ehh, more likely that they'd just prefer you use wordpress.org instead
nubbins`: can't have too many features in the trial version
mircea_popescu: these too not necessarily contradictory :p
nubbins`: Bg5Bg5
nubbins`: i mean uh, half of that
nubbins`: stopped to make sure it was a good move ;(
asciilifeform: q: any of you folks ever bitflipfuzz the referenceclient ?
asciilifeform: (or know of someone who has)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is actually remarkably stable to fuzzed chains
benkay: get a room, you two
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not classical fuzz, understand. bitflips.
asciilifeform: in arbitrary space.
asciilifeform: incl. instructions.
MisterE: like bitrot?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean what, in the code ?
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone actually did this, may make for a good blogpost
mircea_popescu: why, found anything interesting ?
asciilifeform: mathematical view of this: what is the 'mutation-space' surrounding the 'correct' state like.
nubbins`: Bh4+
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00087803 = 1.4048 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somehow in my mental organisation what you propose comes way after a spec
asciilifeform: see, ex: 'bit-squatting'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07299999 = 1.095 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 153 @ 0.07344999 = 11.2378 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: maybe the worst move possible
Apocalyptic: one of the worse indeed
nubbins`: not what i was expecting you to do. d6
kakobrekla: benkay at least its not jewtube links
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00087844 = 6.5005 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: Nxe7
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.528755 = 2.115 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: ascii do you want to get some measure of robustness to error?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1865 @ 0.00087803 = 1.6375 BTC [-]
nubbins`: Rae8
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
nubbins`: bold
nubbins`: maybe the second worst move possible
nubbins`: sorry, Rc8
asciilifeform: 'guess the gadget'
nubbins`: hologram machine
asciilifeform: nubbins`: close.
nubbins`: always the bridesmaid, never the bride
asciilifeform: 'selective plane illumination' microscope. not relevant to anything, except that the photo inevitably leads to the thought, 'hate to be the one caught in an airport search with this.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0008699 = 5.1394 BTC [-]
nubbins`: unless it's a canadian airport
ozbot: Pipe bomb handed back to passenger Skylar Murphy by airport guard - Edmonton - CBC News
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7269 @ 0.00087031 = 6.3263 BTC [+]
nubbins`: Nxd3
Apocalyptic: gg, was bleeding you slowly
nubbins`: gg, didn't even see that coming :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42883 @ 0.00087653 = 37.5882 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: it has Bitcorn, the only naysayer from the NY hearings
ThickAsThieves: what an unfortunate name
nubbins`: wait
nubbins`: that's his actual name?
ThickAsThieves: maybe not
nubbins`: heh, had to check. apparently not :(
ThickAsThieves: he called it Bitcorn
ThickAsThieves: thats how he got the name, ok
ThickAsThieves: he says some lies
ThickAsThieves: but isnt totally predictab;e
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.00470133 = 2.3507 BTC [-] {7}
mike_c: i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :)
benkay: dat kabbalah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0997 = 0.2991 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;later tell herbijudlestoids it would be interesting to analyze s.mpoe price based on 2012 earnings and then see how that analysis would have performed over 2013.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: back test all the things
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i love quants. "if we assume the market is correctly pricing this stock, then we can derive that this stock is overpriced" :) >> pretty much it.
herbijudlestoids: guise, i setup a page to grep the log.bitcoin-assets for mentions of my name
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: if what you quoted is what you took away from the blog post, i guess i must suck at communicating.
mike_c: you said priced efficiently, no?
herbijudlestoids: i said, if we assume, for the sake of an experiment, that the market has priced efficiently, then this is what its implying as EPS growth
herbijudlestoids: theres nowhere that says its overvalued. the point is, you get paid a decent long term return if the implied EPS is <= actual future EPS. if its > then you dont.
herbijudlestoids: if you can somehow prove the price is (or isnt) locally efficient, then we can talk about how informative the price is
mike_c: "We are talking a range of 126% - 170% here" << i read into this a tone saying it was too high. not what you were implying?
mike_c: "that the Market Implied EPS Growth rate for S.MPOE is very, very high."
mike_c: very very seems to be impying too high :)
herbijudlestoids: rest of the paragraph
herbijudlestoids: "This premium over normal fair values (compare to our earlier SPY example) assigned by the market under assumptions that EPS growth will be very large. Investors who pay the premium today will be rewarded with reasonable returns only if the actual future EPS growth averages at or above this level for a significant period of time. Otherwise the investment can reasonably be expected to provide a poor long term retur
benkay: the curse of technical fields
herbijudlestoids: is it really so hard to understand?
benkay: humans operating in those fields frequently lose the ability to communicate with others outside of those narrow, ultraspecialized fields.
mike_c: i don't care if you are saying it was too high, you are entitled to your opinion.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: im not saying too high lol, im saying *this is what the market is implying EPS growth will be*
mike_c: so you have no opinion on the price? you are just a calculator?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.0053544 = 0.2624 BTC [-]
mike_c: have an opinion!
herbijudlestoids: i love people who love quants
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: whether or not i have an opinion really has shit all to do with the article
mike_c: ok, so forget the article. i am curious what your opinion is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.0008755 = 44.0377 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: your opinion is what differentiates you from a calculator
benkay: quants like programmers want to be valued because they can make the numbers do stuff
benkay: but nearly always forget that the interpretation is where the real money's at
benkay: so: herbijudlestoids: mpoe: overpriced or no?
herbijudlestoids: you guys sure are weird sometimes. benkay, the point of the article is to highlight things that people might not know about. if i had some info or opinoin that MPOE was undervalued or overvalued, why would i put it on the blog for morons to see instead of just buying or selling MPOE?
mike_c: why not do both? talk your book.
benkay: 'cause nobody's going to read your blog
Duffer1: Herbi you should paywall your blog, make them work for it ^.^
benkay: yeah and talk your book
herbijudlestoids: fucken fuck so weird
benkay: what's weird about talking your book?
herbijudlestoids: your atittude
herbijudlestoids: its weird
chetty: not greedy enough?
mike_c: you want an opinion out of me? s.nsa is underpriced. go ahead and trade on it.
benkay: hell yeah nsa's underpriced
benkay: get super long nsa
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: well it depends i guess. mircea_popescu was telling me something about 1% being the natural RoR in bitcoin under one calculation but in a different calculation 1000s of %
herbijudlestoids: if we are operating under assumption of bitcoin economy, i would say its fairly priced, not undervalued
benkay: loglink? herbijudlestoids
mike_c: add those thoughts to your post. it will improve it. blog readers like opinions with their stats.
Duffer1: herbi got a twitter feed?
herbijudlestoids: i do but its not bitcoin related Duffer1
mike_c: if your opinions can be as polarizing as mp's you can even charge for it.
herbijudlestoids: mike_c: see that is useful feedback which i appreciate. your earlier comments just get my grill.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i don't think the entire "growth" bs is worth two shits.
herbijudlestoids: misread the post, misunderstood the point, derogate me based on that
mircea_popescu: a high price in btc does not reflect an expectation of that thing to grow.
mike_c: you gotta thicken your skin a bit. you get riled too easy.
mircea_popescu: to make eps etc comparisons between btc and fiat, fiat must first be converted on a % of m3 basis.
herbijudlestoids: there is no fiat involved and i explicitly state so at the end of the article
mircea_popescu: so inasmuch as google is worth 1% of all dollars today and 1% of all dollars in 2050, a high price of google stock is warranted at all points because google is important
mircea_popescu: imaginary "growth" in the interim notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids seems to me all notions of growth are imported from fiat.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: all securities have an internal rate of return
herbijudlestoids: if the price of S.MPOE does not include growth, then why am i paying more than its dividend value for it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.07838228 = 2.7434 BTC [-] {6}
herbijudlestoids: because its important?
mircea_popescu: forget rate of return, focus on rate of conservation.
Duffer1: do you post that info anywhere MP?
herbijudlestoids: rate of conservation of ?
mircea_popescu: what info ?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids of btc.
Duffer1: conversion rate
mircea_popescu: well it's all highly speculative, nobody has the first inkling wtf is going on here.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: why do i need to buy a security then? the rate of conservation for holding bitcoin is 100%
mircea_popescu: but im attacking herbi because he's much too immersed into fiat nonsense.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you think. it is not.
mircea_popescu: it's 9x% depending how competent you are with wallets and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: why do people bet on bitbet ? "so they can't spend the btc", sez someone yest.
herbijudlestoids: and investing in MPOE has ...a better rate of conservation?
chetty: well mine has this silly habit of growing when I don't look too often :)
mike_c: plus inflation. bitcoins in the sofa will shrink on a % basis.
herbijudlestoids: chetty: your bitcoins grow?
mircea_popescu: mike_c this is actually true, tho at the rate we're going by the time btc moneyness reaches balance the remaining inflation will indeed be very low
mircea_popescu: but i suspect this is the overarching point here : 1% gains over a century are immense,
mircea_popescu: 1% losses over a century are disastrous.
mircea_popescu: none of the 15% a year fiat bs.
mircea_popescu: btc time machine.
herbijudlestoids: so are you gonna explain it or do i just wallow in my retardedness
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids ask and be enlightened!
herbijudlestoids: im asking. you said focus on rate of conservation...i fail to see why i would invest in any security in that case, rather than investing in good wallet practices etc
mircea_popescu: you could invest in good wallet practices just as well
mircea_popescu: from what i gather in this chan most do.
mircea_popescu: apparently you don't ask very good q's :D
herbijudlestoids: youre saying something like...the rate of return is not important, this other rate, the rate at which an economic activity can "conserve" bitcoins
ThickAsThieves: so much work to say mpoe is spensive
mircea_popescu: anyway, let's consider the historical case as it played out. s.mpoe vs pmbs
mircea_popescu: which is pretty much what everything else is, with sparse exception.
mircea_popescu: a pmb will reward X% per interval, and decay Y% per interval, with Y > X for all cases.
mircea_popescu: mpoe is so structured shareholders can only make a gain. thus Y > 0, X =0.
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