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shinohai: lul no coincidence twitter rhymes with shitter
mircea_popescu: jam for allcomers!
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773115 <-- /me raises hand. ohai! tuned in read-only since last seen, still have a lot to read before starting to voice opinions IMHO. also doing things, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769983
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 16:16 mircea_popescu: yeh where did he disappear!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 19:52 mircea_popescu: that's nice. now go read the logs / do useful shit. the lols part is the worst place for kids to start immitating.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 16:21 asciilifeform: hey spyked ! i like your summary of the calc ops.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 16:57 asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/archive.html << pretty great stuff. he even reviews what happens to be some of asciilifeform's favourite msdos-era gamez.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 17:42 shinohai: This was actually a good piece too: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773162 <-- fixed; gotta do links justice!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 17:56 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked "Note that this article is not meant to replace the actual thing. If you want to understand FFA properly, go read FFA. And just so that we understand each other, that DeGrasse Tyson guy is an imbecile" << no links ? what did links ever do to you!
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773176 <-- yikes! sorry phf, I fixed it (and double-checked, as I should have in the first place) --> http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/seals/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.spyked.sig
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 19:11 phf: his 4th sig is non plaintext by the way, i threw it in since the eater ate, but this probably should be an anti-policy
spyked: ftr, asciilifeform's ch4 seal (grabbed from http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig ) also seems to be binary (found it while double-checking my copies)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773164 <-- it doesn't send them, but now that you mention it, I might be able to add a (manually-operated) thing that does this. otherwise, thetarpit is just a set of statically-generated pages via handcrafted lisp-based contraption
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 18:34 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "<?xmlversion="1.0"?><methodCall><methodName>pingback.ping</methodName><params><param><value><string>http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/
spyked: I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm
shinohai: Oh hey spyked .... nice of you to pop in. imho you are welcome anytime.
spyked: thanks shinohai. :D the plan is to (at the very least) periodically share items of republican interest that I'm working on (e.g. ada lisp). progress has been very slow so far, but it's picking up
shinohai: I was pretty impressed with your blog for sure, I am a terrible blogger myself. I might do better if I actually had a server to set up a blog on, but future project.
shinohai: What do you use to generate your pages spyked, if I may ask? I have wp-mp of course, but my host charges more to set up mysql and crap so haven't ever done that yet.
mircea_popescu: o hai spyked
mircea_popescu: you ever hear that russell butade, "the problem with the world is that the idiots are cocksure while the smart people are full of doubt" ?
spyked: shinohai, I use a self-rolled static page generator based on Common Lisp (CL-WHO) (and Pandoc for parsing Markdown, but pandoc and markdown are both optional, of course). I have the source code published on shithub, but it's mostly hacked together, so in this sense not very different from any static site generator. https://github.com/spyked/thetarpit.org <-- coad and text
mircea_popescu: spyked phf uses a similar (handrolled, unpuiblished) item ; meanwhile lisp languishes in a sad marsh of unusability.\
shinohai: Ah neat, thanks spiked! Will give a look-over
mircea_popescu: how about you genesis it ?
spyked: hi mircea_popescu. sure, I remember russell's thing. but is that really a problem? (as long as there's a republic to squash the cocksure idiots)
mircea_popescu: yes. for the lisp languishes reason above.
spyked: sure, would be happy to cut apart the useful (non-thetarpit) bits and genesis.
mircea_popescu: can go on the shelf!
mircea_popescu was considering making a similar item too, it's a pretty good idea.
spyked: there are some dependencies on cl-who and a few other libraries, which for now are taken as they are (similarly to trb "deps")
spyked: so I'd probably sign them separately?
mircea_popescu: hey, there ~already exists~ a sort of primitive "code shelf" on s.mg site : http://minigame.biz/eulora/source/
mircea_popescu: it includes such wonders as frozen nvidia drivers (binary)
spyked: hm. "This exists because sourceforge went down for a week during July 2015, making it necessary to maintain local copies."; yeah, publishing these makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I'd find all the libraries I used for the blog if I were to look for them again.
spyked: which reminds me that there are a lot of things that I've left hanging since december, e.g. the w3m-js shinohai found that I rebased, and the ns-js library. left hanging because I haven't yet figured how to make trilema js anchors highlight in w3m-js (or any other text browser)
mircea_popescu: well so then!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:30 asciilifeform: in other folx who apparently had gone fullbore usgtard since i last looked : lubos motl. e.g. https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/korean-backlash-to-planned-bitcoin.html .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 02:14 mircea_popescu: recall at some point was some pompous asshole locklin, "scientist" ? there's no end conceivable of supply. once one swallows the "always has choice" usg pill, that one becomes this. it's inescapable.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 17:18 btcvixen: but i am female
mircea_popescu: at least with you i know it's not intentional.
shinohai: That w3m-js code is hairy indeed spyked .... its on back burner because been helping test some V changes and muddling through EuCrypt.
spyked: mircea_popescu, I wanna first get a working item (js highlighting for trilema anchors) then make everything link into a static binary, then post them. as they are right now, I expect them to be unusable on many systems (e.g. musl-gentoo).
mircea_popescu: that's a plan
spyked: but yeah, ^ w3m code is weird. and besides, I don't know how text highlighting is supposed to work in a text-based browser. highlighting seems to be a terminal thing, which is weird, because both w3m and lynx/links can be compiled with mouse support! which is essential for that js snippet in trilema, because iirc it relies on onMouse* events.
mircea_popescu: highlighting in this novel sense is a mouse concept
mircea_popescu: very different from the alt-6 mark style of kbd term
mircea_popescu: (but it is in some areas a progress -- for instance it has no concept of lines! all http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765765 )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 02:56 mircea_popescu: by title, author, paragraph and word offset.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12681.11, vol: 12028.04435018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12592.0, vol: 46503.75514921 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.9, vol: 5237.5615253 | Volume-weighted last average: 12616.7664195
spyked: aha. in particular, trilema anchors are generated based on the occurence of js dom-tree elements. wait, I'm gonna find an example
mircea_popescu: no, i know, it is.
mircea_popescu: dom-tree being html's retarded version of an ast.
spyked: yeah. ideally, I would like to be able to look at the link and figure out to which text snippet it refers manually. or at least have a way to compute without parsing html. hm.
spyked: (what I'm trying to do is separate the browser/linking text snippets part from the need to embed an entire js interpreter in there.)
spyked: in theory, the browser itself could do the highlighting. but this breaks the URL scheme by introducing a magic "#selection-x.y-z.w" class of anchors.
mircea_popescu: you will need a scripting lang to do scripty things howsoever you turn it
mircea_popescu: spyked re pingback thing, doesn't even have to be that hand-generated ; just walk the db, extract all links, construct the calls as shown and make curl calls. can be a bash script.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773258 << i dun think this is such hot stuff ; i personally wouldn't bother to sign just to leave a comment. but if you care, here's an alternative : make a bot, have comments be sent to it via command. iirc danielpbarron had something somewhat in this vein, dun recall how automated tho
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 11:42 spyked: I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm
spyked: calls should go only to WP links though, right? I don't remember how Wordpress did it (did it look for /xmlrpc.php ?). though I suppose it should work either way (non-WP links would 404 and that's that)
spyked: the commentbot idea sounds pretty neat
mircea_popescu: so if they go to non-wp links what happens.
mircea_popescu: 99% of all the stuff in anyone's www log is crap anyway ; going up to 100% in the case of facebook world.
mircea_popescu: this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~.
mircea_popescu: two way web, bitches!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 11:37 spyked: ftr, asciilifeform's ch4 seal (grabbed from http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig ) also seems to be binary (found it while double-checking my copies)
asciilifeform: cat sad.sig | gpg --enarmor | sed 's|ARMORED FILE|SIGNATURE|' | awk '!/Comment/' > happy.sig
asciilifeform: ^ for anybody else who stepped on same koch mine
asciilifeform: ^ unlike 'just sign again', this will fix OTHER people's sig
asciilifeform: and ohai spyked
shinohai: http://archive.is/68Hwn <<< moar Chinese "smartphone" rekt
asciilifeform: ^ eggog
shinohai: gah didnt archive
BingoBoingo: In other news, signing contracts Monday in the afternoon. This weekendś adventure setting up a MUSL webserver for Qntra.
shinohai: \o/ Nice work BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you settle on what you'll use to offer vps ?
BingoBoingo: Not yet
BingoBoingo: Going to need to get a beefier box here, likely going to be a beefy opteron fueled supermicro box
mircea_popescu: a bunch actually.
BingoBoingo: But is very nice to have a day where the task does not involve trying to recieve sane outputs from the locals
shinohai: Now your task involves getting sane output from a computer.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
BingoBoingo: At least that's less repetitive
shinohai: Too bad 'OR 1=1/* doesn't work on them.
spyked: hi asciilifeform. applied your pill on my tree, can confirm it did the job
asciilifeform: spyked: result should be bitwise-equal to what is now on my www.
spyked: it is (the payload, sans armor and version string)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773311 <-- pingback -- yes. XML-RPC -- dunno; I am not running php, so having a file called xmlrpc.php in my tree seems a bit odd; although I guess this is particular to wordpress, not to XML-RPC
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 15:53 mircea_popescu: this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~.
mircea_popescu: that is tru.
mircea_popescu: note however the format is flexible, there's a tag to announce rpc endpoint, and you can put there whatever you want.
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be .php
spyked is reading the spec ( http://archive.is/FQ7P ); until now, lived with the wrong idea that pingbacks are a wp-dependent thing. but hey, it looks pretty clear!
mircea_popescu: only thorn is the xml baked in, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 14:39 mircea_popescu was considering making a similar item too, it's a pretty good idea.
shinohai: http://archive.is/5mr7c <<< In printolade news "Tether printed MORE USD than US government in 2018"
mircea_popescu: 2. if i upload items, i'd very much like to use the already extant uploader ; but that thing puts everything in year/month directories. tho i think this is actually a good thing, tell people "do not link item directly, link the code shelf itself".
mircea_popescu: the problem is that this intuition would seem imply that there are actually TWO kinds of links, ie first class and second class, and this is what ineptitudes like http code 30x are trying to implement
asciilifeform has never used the wp uploaders, or given wp write-access to any unixdir
mircea_popescu: "do not use 2nd class link as 1st class link".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and alf has also never uploaded ten thousand images. which need to be autoscaled in multiple sizes and so on.
asciilifeform: autoscaled?!
asciilifeform: why would you do this on the www box end
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is the remote box even for, if not to do the shit i don't need supervised.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't even have conceived of doing image munging with a php proggy. masochism.
asciilifeform: ( what happens if bitflip and image is malformed ? )
mircea_popescu: i... notice
asciilifeform: lol eventually sure
mircea_popescu: um. it's either visible or it isn't neh.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773313 << i wrote a little checker for eater, and the other one binary is asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 15:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773255 << fixed. and ftr, pill :
mircea_popescu: nice of you.
asciilifeform: oh hah.
asciilifeform: the 'binary signature' thing is astonishingly idiotic kochism.
asciilifeform: (consider, it is the default. why??)
phf: also one of polarbeard's, but that one has to be reground anyway
asciilifeform: incidentally mod6's v ( and mine also iirc ) eat'em without noticing
asciilifeform: and probably anybody else's that verifies with gpg callout
phf: gpgme doesn't tell you if original was armored, so requires a separate check (in before gpgme is evil), it does tell you everything about untrusted keys and source and such
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <- I think pages should take pingbacks! and tbh I never really understood why are "pages" so special; the way I see it, "pages" are just posts outside of the time-flow, "sticky" posts basically
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman just about
diana_coman: ftr I'm still on wp purely because there has always been something else topping the pile; I just about switched to statically generated pages too but I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in
mircea_popescu: im not gonna. how do you do comments, comment counts, headers etc.
mircea_popescu: every updatre to a footer (eg, the select script) has to take a bash script ? meh.
diana_coman: hence the end of the line there: "I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in"
phf: in unrelated i managed to produce a literate programming dvi out of diff's source code from first principles. the actual content is not really a literate programing, since it was mechanically produced, and it doesn't yet compile since cat of headers and source produce a bunch of duplicate definitions, but first step.
phf: dvi>ps i had to use a full tex install, because i haven't found a non-modern dvips implementation yet.
phf: works out to about 170 pages of very nicely typeset source code. this is actually first time i'm working with printed source code proper (unlike ascii i prefer to work on-screen) and it's quite a joy
phf: by the way, knuth's CWEB nicely solves the whole auto-wrapped comment issue. the TeX part doesn't mandate newlines, and obviously does it's own formatting, but the C part is also very aggressively formatted by the CWEB code. specifically /* comments */ are treated as TeX source, and get re-wrapped according to TeX rules.
asciilifeform: phf: consider posting ?
phf: it's considered, i'm just thinking from which side to start unraveling this spitoon
phf: also the whole exercise only becomes worthwhile if i can also produce reasonable html out of the cweb source, since there's general allergy here to pdf/ps
asciilifeform: eh my printer eats ps, pdf.
asciilifeform: ideal, in fact, for reading.
asciilifeform: i fucking hate printer-generated pagebreaks.
phf: " British 15-year-old gained access to intelligence operations in Afghanistan and Iran by pretending to be head of CIA, court hears"
phf salutes
shinohai: TOP KEK
asciilifeform: not arrested : the emplaced-seekritz-in-aol-acct idjit reptile
asciilifeform: nor the war criminals whose seekritz they were. etc
phf: !!up l0de
deedbot: l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: !!up webbyz
deedbot: webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/20/urbanism-feminises-judaism-desexualises-or-the-waxing-fashionability-of-being-penetrated/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Urbanism feminises, Judaism desexualises. Or the waxing fashionability of being penetrated.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771712 << at the risk of thread necromancy ( item was candidate for ch8, so i gotta ) this is false. FZ_Mod_Mul as seen in ch7 IS bufferized, because ch7's FZ_Mod is.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 15:32 apeloyee: FZ_Mod_Mul also
asciilifeform: i.e. Product is only written to as result of the FZ_Mod call , http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L148 , which in turn , inside FZ_Mod, is a clean 1-shot, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L102 . QED.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773147 << I've got several cleanup patches coming before the walletsnip. anybody have a serious objection to me introducing a changelog in the first?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: incidentally, there's an evident join here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772670 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759127 are evidently the same item. have a comment format for it and bam, project philosophy file with press history.
trinque: sorry, several *trb* patches
asciilifeform: trinque: is there a changelog-eating vtron somewhere ?
trinque: literature seems exactly the right item to define line of project history, both in the obvious and vtronic sense
trinque: asciilifeform: why'd it need to know anything about it
asciilifeform: aa it's a human one
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2175 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 8: Interlude: Randomism.
asciilifeform: ^ ACHTUNG, panzers!
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: lol oughta update it first, ahaha
asciilifeform: !!down pehbot
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
pehbot: asciilifeform: B7E63793186E450095BE847716C18343C7236B72CC71C50CA37080DF26E8C187
pehbot: asciilifeform: 65538FF84117D1F8065B218B2791C8D847B91B42274FBDB36061F3F38ACE74D1
pehbot: asciilifeform: 945EF6CC63EFA6F8F8E912A3E6B8D98EA9F8AB5420363DE59187A055003F393C
pehbot: asciilifeform: A8026C7DED2F18208F70797AE7ECEFFAF8C6F6BBAAF297B749CE6F6943BB354A
pehbot: asciilifeform: 981B66B08F3AD2E24AED75375B84B15EDA9DEF91B6213213A22E94A620D0F31F
phf: asciilifeform: patches updated
asciilifeform: ty phf !
phf: i don't grok the first homework: do you mean produce random computations, and programmatically verify ffa against them?
phf: asciilifeform ^
asciilifeform: phf: should print a, e.g., valid perlism or pythonism, that has an, e.g., foo*bar==baz
asciilifeform: or rather, if foo*bar == baz print "true" else print "false" or in that spirit.
asciilifeform: i thought it was pretty clear .
phf: ooh ffacalc should do that
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