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BingoBoingo: And in appcidental research into the market value of SUTO grad student labor: "Images of delivery take-home pay amounts posted to the Instacart shoppers’ Facebook group show recent instances where workers are sometimes making less than minimum wage for several hours of work. One woman showed $16.95 for seven hours of work in Jackson, Mississippi. Another said she was paid $13.30 for a three-hour job in St. Louis, Missouri. Yet anothe
BingoBoingo: r woman posted a screenshot for $2.80 after doing a two-hour pickup and delivery in Austin, Texas."
cazalla: not shitfaced this time :)
cazalla: BingoBoingo, safe travels
BingoBoingo: Ah, welcome back
BingoBoingo: What's your timeline to Poland looking like?
cazalla: they drag their ass on paperwork so who knows on the citizenship part
cazalla: the leaving part... i had downed almost a bottle of vodka, would like to buy a place there and take the kids with me but leaving them would be a bit much
BingoBoingo: Ah, is it one that might be easier to get in country?
cazalla: yeah, doing it from here, but they translate my documents and submit paperwork and apparently can take a while.. 3, 6, 12 months once all is said and done from start (kicked it off maybe 4 months ago getting dox) to finish
BingoBoingo: One could always make more kids with the Polish girls. Just make sure to get at least three so the jealousy keeps each in line.
cazalla: will be easier getting it for the kids, i'm thinking convince missus we go for 6 month holiday, then buy and just stay
cazalla: really dont want to send them to school here :\
cazalla: no amount of money can fix some problems eh
cazalla: not that poland would be some paradise but step up from here, and i think kids would benefit from another language, young enough to pick up polish as first language instead of english
BingoBoingo: Don't have to fixate on Poland though, could look to Romania and be the alfneighbor
BingoBoingo: In other news, Charlie Manson Dead
cazalla: lol pm from vexual, was outside watering the plants m80
cazalla: BingoBoingo, who knows, time will tell i guess, not sure what else to do with myself besides this idea anyway
cazalla: maybe learn to fly
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe start an ISP in Poland, keep backup plan in case tanks start rolling?
cazalla: i imagine that would get struck down on account of it being a NATO state
BingoBoingo: Maybe flip Poland over first?
cazalla: what do you mean by flip
BingoBoingo: face down ass up, you know.. how you win hearts and future ex-girlfriends
cazalla: ah, def gonna go and spend some time there and surrounding countries
cazalla: guess fly back and forth in attempt to be a dad without guilt lol
BingoBoingo: brb sleepime. Gotta morning full of correspondence planned
cazalla: ttyl
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741043 << more of the same nonsense. whoever is involved in that should drop everything they're doing, quit their "job", give away their "devices", burn down their "books", tell all their "friends" to go fucking kill themselves and take a curator (see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721615 ) job for a year or so while eating nothing but tmsr logs.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:32 zod_: what do y'all think of http://upspin.io/ ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 06:06 mircea_popescu: btw, is that the new "african american" pc term ? i seem to recall chapelle making a big deal out of wanting to be called a "custodian" in one of those hennifer-lopez level horrifyingly bad flicks he keeps churning out.
mircea_popescu: it's not merely a shame that "such problems" are continuously "identified" by idiots, but that the scream for help universally goes unheeded. if you think ~about~ such things as upspin.io, i don't mean if you're "working" at them or anything like that, if you merely think ABOUT them you're certifiably SUTO. get the fuck out, completely, right now, it's a worse addiction than krakadil. parts of your body are falling off!
mircea_popescu: if these kinds of non-items, memetic prions are anywhere in your mental space, you're suffering, from a disease. "if you're reading it, it's for you", and it's for you because you've already got a heavy load of misfolded protein.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:41 shinohai: Take a handful, write entire Romanian dictionary by hand in 2 nights.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741065 << well at least market didn't "deflate".
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:46 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728845 << update on Madonna of the Yarnwinder auction... sold for ~only~ $450mn.
mircea_popescu: (notes : desomorphine, item standing with heroin in about same relation tub-brewed methamphetamine stands with adderall)
diana_coman: wtf that upspin; ftr the answers are no, no, no and NO, who has such "problems" anyway
mircea_popescu: !#s "graduate student"
a111: 26 results for "\"graduate student\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22graduate%20student%22
mircea_popescu: idle over-ripe esl males, who.
diana_coman: tbh it sounds more like teenage kids with too much pocket money or something
diana_coman: but I suppose it's about the same thing by now anyway
mircea_popescu: teenagers ? these are 30yos.
mircea_popescu: the age of maturity keeps cheezing away
diana_coman: myeah, that's my "same thing by now anyway"
diana_coman: unrelated: asciilifeform's dic has this weird "a arunca buretele" but doesn't have "a caca steagul"!!!11
mircea_popescu: wtf is the former ?
diana_coman: I never heard it; dic says it's same as "a capitula"; possibly in a sponge-fight I'd gather
mircea_popescu: oh, retroversion of "throw in the towel"
mircea_popescu: pretty crappy sauce.
diana_coman: then they should add tambour de livre too at least
mircea_popescu: in related lulz, "Financial Struggles & Relationships, Journal Entry | 3 minutes ago : So I'm moving soon and am trying to scrape together enough money to pay for the move and for school fees so that I can get enrolled and back to classes. In order to do this, I basically have to sell all my gaming stuff since I don't qualify for any loans. The problem with that is that gaming is my life and pretty much my main form of stress
mircea_popescu: relieve. So even the idea of having to sell everything is killing me inside and stressing me. This is unfortunately causing problems with my (sorta) girlfriend since I just can't bring myself to get into anything sexual while it's on my mind. I feel bad that I am letting my personal problems affect her, but I don't know how to get myself into a better situation."
diana_coman: poor girlfriend
mircea_popescu: i don't think she knows.
diana_coman: ah, "sorta girlfriend", can be; onth I did stumble upon all sorts of reports from the other side: "my bf is all the time on his xbox, wut do" and so on
mircea_popescu: https://ibb.co/iyW1oR << dood in question. 21yo ninja.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i think it's evident women are to blame!
diana_coman: if that did at least something....; and ugh
mircea_popescu: but, democracy, rite ? gotta provide housing, food, loose shoes and a warm hole to sploodge in for ALL THESE.
mircea_popescu: maybe if he took teh red pill ? do you think wikireddit could help him ? if he were more... less... i mean... if he where the fuck's that gunwitch dood.
diana_coman: the way it goes then is that "but they weren't supposed to be like THAT!"
mircea_popescu: "Your initial state when seeing women you want is very important: the right one will cause you to approach them, the wrong one will panic and confuse you - preventing you from taking any action to ever meet them. If you do not meet them you almost certainly CANNOT have sex with them. Your internal state when you first see an attractive woman must be one of sexual enthusiasm, horniness, and unapologetic desire."
mircea_popescu: imagine that mound of sexual enthusiasm coming at you.
mircea_popescu: it's all in the wrist, see.
mircea_popescu: YOU CAN TRAIN THE AVERAGE MALE INTO SUCCESS!
mircea_popescu: and it won't even need any work. not even much time. twenty pages. large script. three pages. a matchbox back!
diana_coman: well, the eternal dream : it will be easy and fast and so on
mircea_popescu: "how to make a name for yourself quickly"
diana_coman: eh, I suspect nowadays you don't even need that; after all you've been named "adofdifjYYY" to be unique and so on to start with
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:58 asciilifeform: 'rare art' is simply low-tech pre-bitcoin btc for lizards
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741080 << the WHOLE POINT of usg.sv "tech" is to get around the "The Hettingas’ sense of ill-usage is understandable. So is their consternation at being confronted with the gap between the rhetoric of free markets and the reality of ubiquitous regulation. The Hettingas’ collision with the MREA—the latest iteration of the venerable AMAA—reveals an ugly truth: America’s cowboy capita
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 05:53 BingoBoingo: And in appcidental research into the market value of SUTO grad student labor: "Images of delivery take-home pay amounts posted to the Instacart shoppers’ Facebook group show recent instances where workers are sometimes making less than minimum wage for several hours of work. One woman showed $16.95 for seven hours of work in Jackson, Mississippi. Another said she was paid $13.30 for a three-hour job in St. Louis, Missouri. Yet anothe
mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
mircea_popescu: so whenever silicon valley is doing something other than circlejerking, is building ways for various "public protections" invented by dnc / usg.blue / tammany hall to NOT apply.
mircea_popescu: they're the premier driver behind the "need to pack sardines tighter" "technologies".
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.004003 1AbRyEps74KejccooC9f5DiSgUSrui7Ycw
mircea_popescu: this is getting fucking ridiculous, for the record. human sums (as defined by supermarket practice) totally unworth bothering with dust in bitcoin.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 01:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway, lulzy "duel" of talking points from the libtards and really-not-libtards-promise. they all agree russia doesn't matter and that hillary will somehow win the "elections", but you're more than free to connect the rest of the dots any way you please ? hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: i suppose by the time twice the supermarket price per item is hardly worth a bitcoin transacton, we might be well advised to revisit that "ancient" http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ piece from two years ago.
spyked: hi all. /me is catching up with discussions...
mircea_popescu: hola. how goes ?
spyked: not bad, mircea_popescu. still swamped, but slowly getting out.
mircea_popescu: there's been a lot of that going around.
spyked: #t has had a lot of interesting discussed! finally ate them up.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
spyked: safe array indexing), which brings asciilifeform's point re. bytecode further. in current item, builtins are hardcoded using strings, very not-elegant!
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 19:03 jurov: a111: strings are sequences, not lists. cons/car/cdr does not apply, there's different set of functions for these
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738140 <-- ftr, I am following phf's initial advice re. reading lisp in small pieces; this, along with kogge's book. but at snail's pace (code easier to write than read)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 19:53 asciilifeform: phf: my understanding is that author was simply doing homework
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738883 <-- pascal still in ro highschool curriculum afaik. ro school has much bigger problems, in the vein of http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ being asked not only by students, but by teachers themselves! (e.g. I once received q from teacher: "what's more important, physics or mathematics?" "both, bitch! and nao stop amputating those curricula!")
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 14:22 diana_coman: oh, ugh; and yes, now you mention it I think it was same-change in Ro too
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 22:41 asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes https://github.com/threonorm/simulisp/blob/master/SCHEME-79/SCHEME-79%20Lisp%20on%20a%20chip.pdf << ( yes, pdf, it's an ancient scan, 1981 ) very spiffy review article by sussman re the famous scheme79 chip; also pertinent to anyone writing simple lisptrons of whatever kind
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 06:55 ben_vulpes: likely has to do with that this box is running gcc 5.4.0, i think i have to figure out how to make a gentoo with gcc 4.9
spyked: @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740972 <-- aha! Romania had a linguist who tried to force phonetic en-ro translations, e.g. site->sait. his 'sait' is still online it seems: http://pruteanu.ro/0rapid/00index/00index-l.htm guy also had '90s (or was it early 2000s?) TV show on "correct romanian", was sometimes amusing.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:23 asciilifeform: see in ru we dun have this problem , it gets fixed 'automagically', e.g. Марго
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741023 <-- I didn't get from the discussion: are regionalisms, archaisms, etc. to be included in this dict, or are they separate item? example: belengher (plus expr. "a festeli belengherul", similar in meaning to "a caca steagul" mentioned earlier by diana_coman)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 02:18 asciilifeform: back to the baseline item ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740660 ) -- if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , spyked , ... ( who else we have ? ) would like to submit corrections/additions/subtractions -- plox to vpatch
spyked: (belengher, of course, yet another euphemism for cock; a festeli: to stain, or rather, daub)
spyked: (in other cockphemisms: carici, calabastoc; the latter, to my knowledge, does not exist in dictionaries, being entirely of rural origin)
trinque: morning all.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741189 << can't hurt. got a blog or anything ? :D
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed.
mircea_popescu: it is ~extremely~ important to write these, much more so than can be evaluated at the present time. the value becomes evident mostly in retrospect.
spyked adds this to list of write-ups.
spyked: for the record, the steps described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 work *today*. it will be increasingly harder to get a sane system once glib stops compiling with gcc 4.9, etc. an archaelogical approach would be to freeze the current state of the gentoo mirrors and build own stage1, stage2 etc. from scratch with known-working libc versions etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
shinohai: mornining trinque, mircea_popescu, everyone
mircea_popescu: glib is slated to stop compiling ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, gentoo freeze was discussed, vaguely, not seriously implemented.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741203 <<< I would like to help ( I believe it was mod6 that mentioned it previously) set up some sort of mirror for just this purpose, because yes outside things will become unreliable sooner rather than later.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 13:59 spyked: for the record, the steps described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 work *today*. it will be increasingly harder to get a sane system once glib stops compiling with gcc 4.9, etc. an archaelogical approach would be to freeze the current state of the gentoo mirrors and build own stage1, stage2 etc. from scratch with known-working libc versions etc.
mircea_popescu: go for it!
shinohai: Current setup will build Eulora and trb like a dream, with nary a barf like I experienced in my old deb days
mircea_popescu: gentoo ?
spyked: hi shinohai
shinohai: Yeah I switched 100% gentoo ~1 year ago, props to trinque for his patience with me.
shinohai: hiya spyked how goes?
shinohai: For me it was rather like building a model airplane, box of parts "Here, build this". Sometimes I wanted to just dump it all in the trash and just get high on the glue but persistence pays off I suppose.
trinque: reminds me
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740478 << I do. lemme dust it off and run, then I'll genesis it and put on my blog.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 22:19 ben_vulpes: hey trinque do you still have that script for "infectious gentoo"? i might be able to get my old closet iron with 4.9 to build a respectable userland
spyked: shinohai, pretty good. gentoo diddling. I'm trying to get a new box up, learn v, compile trb, add an ada in, learn lisp internals ... (the list continues)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741206 <-- at some point, glib folks will decide that gcc < 5 isn't "modern enough" to build glibc, so they'll break compatibility. will, in the (now) tradition of introducing arbitrary changes.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:06 mircea_popescu: glib is slated to stop compiling ?
trinque: eh why not use musl anyway
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these idiots.
spyked: trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines).
spyked: speaking of which: http://archive.is/Vs1UC <-- "By 2020 [Intel] are said to be "removing legacy BIOS support from client and data center platforms." Based on the timing, it's then looking like for Intel Tiger Lake or Sapphire Rapids where they may cut off the legacy BIOS support." good riddance, eh?
mircea_popescu: what is localizartion support ?
spyked: fancier name for Unicode et alia
shinohai: I think if one needs support for languages, etc?
mircea_popescu: so not having such support saves you the trouble of having to cut it out later ?
mircea_popescu: seems like a great deal.
spyked: remaining problem is that it also needs to be cut out of software that relies on it. or eliminating such software altogether (this includes a large part of GUI software stack; did eulora go through the "needs locale" experience?).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741226 << uclibc is lethally broken last i saw ( e.g. pthreads )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:21 spyked: trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines).
asciilifeform: spyked: musl however worx great, trb stands on it. and iirc trinque has an entire musltronic gentoo.
mircea_popescu: spyked what software do you use that relies on unicode and why do you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, eulora client is specifically left as exercise to eulora player. can make it do anything you wish.
spyked: asciilifeform, neato!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741114 << from what i've seen so far, the prognosis for sufferers is quite grim
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 09:59 mircea_popescu: if these kinds of non-items, memetic prions are anywhere in your mental space, you're suffering, from a disease. "if you're reading it, it's for you", and it's for you because you've already got a heavy load of misfolded protein.
mircea_popescu: yes well.
asciilifeform: afaik 0 cures to date.
spyked: mircea_popescu, problem isn't whether unicode is needed. but that "modern" software insists on shoving "support" down one's throat. it can be removed, of course (either support or software altogether), only I suspect the pile of unicode-enhanced crap yet hides some useful items.
mircea_popescu: this is a dubious point.
mircea_popescu: spyked be specific, list items.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741119 << the occasional morphinist, in fact quits and becomes something resembling normal person. redditism, on other hand...
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 10:07 mircea_popescu: (notes : desomorphine, item standing with heroin in about same relation tub-brewed methamphetamine stands with adderall)
mircea_popescu: my software consists of mostly bash, these days. what software ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw report recently : life expectancy of moscow heroin addict, 5-7 years. life expectancy of moscow homecooked-desomorphine addict, 18 months.
spyked: mircea_popescu, js browser (e.g. firefox) that allows linking trilema snippets. the only reason I still keep one around.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: krokodilists ? oh yea
mircea_popescu: spyked lynx ?
mircea_popescu: (i mean links/elinks ; lynx might but my version is antique, doesn't)
spyked: mircea_popescu, last time I tried (lynx, w3m, etc. even "links"), linking something such as http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/#selection-23.0-25.14 didn't highlight
spyked: (I use w3m for everything else)
mircea_popescu: needs a special compile time flag and then a config diddle
spyked: hm
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 << the correct solution is to not install the gcc5 nonsense to begin with, then won't need cleaning. but this won't be happening during isp winter
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
mircea_popescu: i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in
asciilifeform: ( needs proper tmsr gentoo )
asciilifeform: hm i had nfi there is a lynx with js
asciilifeform: seems like it'd defeat half the point of using lynx to begin with, neh
mircea_popescu: linx not lynx, diff item.
asciilifeform aware of 'linx' but also had nfi that it had js.
asciilifeform: in other noose, far away, 'Bitbet is shutting down as the admin team is no longer in a position to manage the site. All contracts that could be resolved have been resolved, and winnings have been paid out...'
shinohai: awwwwwwwwwwww
asciilifeform: corpse finally stopped twitching.
shinohai: All profits have now been znorted up.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in
mircea_popescu: spyked actually a limited js lib to replace libmozjs would kick ass.
mircea_popescu: confiscate javascript from w3c by writing a subset from the pov of the republican lord, not from the pov of the bankrupt usg remoras trying to pretend like they're "online companies" "making money"
asciilifeform: ftr you can't faithfully display teh l0gz without uniturd support, sadly ( between asciilifeform's ru, mircea_popescu's greek, various îțâșă-containing pasteolade )
mircea_popescu: why not ? phf';s logotron posts them correctly, as /x whatevers
asciilifeform: pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour )
asciilifeform: as for js, it is intrinsically, deeply and infectiously retarded, on a level that is difficult to compactly express -- e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1517759 is merely ~one~ aspect
a111: Logged on 2016-08-10 16:37 phf: ben_vulpes: stock javascript doesn't have integers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform implement a native string bignumatron.
asciilifeform: it's what the pgp-in-js people did. ever try an' read the result ?
asciilifeform: half a MB of gibberish
mircea_popescu: you do it in c.
mircea_popescu: not on top of js, but as part of tmsr-js
asciilifeform: in what sense is the contemplated item 'js' then ?
mircea_popescu: in the sense.
mircea_popescu: implements some fraction of extant js functions, which we deem to be ALL of js, and some extras.
asciilifeform: i mean, why retain the retarded syntax, and not cut straight to e.g. tmsr-scheme
mircea_popescu: embrace and extinguish.
mircea_popescu: ah, it'd have to live as wrapper on tmsr scheme would it
shinohai: From @blockchain "We are experiencing an outage of our internal database. Your funds are safe. We've identified the issue and are working on a resolution. Stay updated at https://www.blockchain-status.com"
shinohai: YOUR FUNDZ ARE SAFE!!!!111
asciilifeform: nao if only js had ~merely~ retarded syntax. but also based on an intensely braindamaged oopism, that'd get carried into anything that 'embraces'
asciilifeform: i'ma let ben_vulpes , phf , others who served lengthy sentences of sisyphation in js , elaborate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just want, from a strategic perspective, the tool whereby to be able to force a wedge among "website owners" and have them upgrade whether they want to or not, off the imperial tree.
asciilifeform: from that pov it'd make even moar sense to have total break with html shitstack
asciilifeform: incidentally,
mircea_popescu: eventually.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque didja ever get a chance to write down that hypertext system algo of yours ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: nope, have several improvements to the paybot (and cutting off the trb wallet) ahead of that
asciilifeform: trinque: the dictionary thread immediately reminded me of it
asciilifeform: consider how much more feasible a Troo Dictionary would be, on a hypertexttron that wasn't built by newjersey wreckers, with the idiot unidirectional links, each of which results in loading whole new file, and cannot meaningfully point to a section thereof, and the retarded anchors , and could go on for a week
asciilifeform: not archived, either.
asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/shame-and-war << apparently moved ( and possibly sectionally censored, i've nfi )
trinque: ah certainly.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741227 << i.e. fughet about non-microshit os on intel
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:24 spyked: speaking of which: http://archive.is/Vs1UC <-- "By 2020 [Intel] are said to be "removing legacy BIOS support from client and data center platforms." Based on the timing, it's then looking like for Intel Tiger Lake or Sapphire Rapids where they may cut off the legacy BIOS support." good riddance, eh?
mircea_popescu: "Since Travels with Samantha was getting 100,000 hits/day, the spillover from there into my research area was actually good for more exposure than my paper would have gotten from the conference proceedings." << way the fuck truer in 2017 than it was in 1994.
mircea_popescu: whichever beobachter you choose can NOT drive enough traffic to make up a trilema minute.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit in 'shame and war' is that greenspun correctly identifies html as newjerseylade liquishit, but wholly misrepresents the focus of the braindamage ( he thinks it has something to do with lacking styling; and then 'hey they invented css, fixed it!' )
mircea_popescu: yeah, he's an uneven thinker.
ben_vulpes: spyked: i'll give your recipe a whirl later
ben_vulpes: in other lols, tesla failed to close the deal to supply uber with self-driving cars
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741274 <<< I forgot to mention spyked this did work for me when I tried it some time ago, had to ensure ECMAScript support was enabled after ./configure.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.
ben_vulpes: usg dept of robocars cannot actually meet production quotas, chicken-buying-dollars will have to be spent with volvo of all corps
ben_vulpes: also wtf, look at this inept shit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/11/20/sex-education-needs-graphic-teens-trying-taboo-practices-say/ "trying taboo practices", no link to original paper, what the hell am i even looking at
shinohai: Jeez I almost don't want to have a news/rss feed open until this "I was raped" spam is over with.
mircea_popescu: in other news, ended up in local church after walk this morning. had to leave once priest showed up and the womenz starting "singing" an hymn
mircea_popescu: apparently they don't kick you out of church if you suck at singing. this is a problem.
shinohai: btw, I rather liked the pics mircea_popescu posted of church in latest trilema. Nifty.
mircea_popescu: different item, but yeah.
shinohai: Just reminded me of it. Likely first Catholic church I have ever seen with a drop ceiling.
mircea_popescu: for srs.
asciilifeform: from same rag , moar brit lulz, https://archive.is/lmpYM >> 'Guy Hedger was killed at around 3am on April 30 after intruders entered his £1 million home in Castlewood, Ashley, near Ringwood, Hampshire'
asciilifeform: '...demanded that Mr Hedger tell him the combination for two safes... men made off with more than £120,000 worth of jewellery watches and valuables' then shot , etc.
mircea_popescu: evidently hedger didn't EARN that money.
spyked: re. links/elinks js, mircea_popescu, shinohai, thanks for the pointers. attempts so far to get a working item failed, but it's worth reporting what I've found. long story short, elinks depends on libmozjs, steps at http://archive.is/UFpsz work only visiting e.g. http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-21.75-21.93 gives the following error: "The requested fragment
spyked: "#selection-21.75-21.93" doesn't exist." (which leads me to believe that no JavaScript code is being run, although JavaScript *is* enabled at run-time!); links (probably mircea_popescu's browser) throws out some explicit javascript errors (doesn't parse === token), but this because it has it's own parser/interpreter.
mircea_popescu: now this i have nfi why would occur. the exact details are buried somewhere in archives, but it's been a while ;/
shinohai: For a while I really liked the w3m browser, there was rumored to be js plugin for it, though link to original www is ded and I cannot find info on it anywhere.
spyked dug for that one as well (w3m-js), seems to be gone
shinohai: If you happen to dig it up at some point, I would greatly appreciate copy
ben_vulpes: https://makezine.com/2017/11/19/apology-to-naomi-wu/ << the self flagellation will continue until morale improves
asciilifeform: whossat
asciilifeform: 'she and other Chinese makers are every bit as capable and creative as their Western counterparts' << ahahahahahawat
asciilifeform: 'We will be publishing a diversity audit of Make: as a company and our properties, and will be setting goals to drive progress on these issues' << самокритика !1111
mircea_popescu: heh, the whole "drama" is by now legit kink play.
trinque: "that was offensive to Naomi and all women" << it's a great day for canada, and therefore the world
mircea_popescu: "it is always wrong to question female identity" === "oh baby give it to me hard".
ben_vulpes: ahahand in tangentially related hate speech: "assortative coupling on education level does have an unintended down side -- it's a major contributor to economic inequality in the larger society", from https://www.edge.org/response-detail/26747
mircea_popescu: there's some scene in some italian film in which a woman (who is trying to convince a guy she believes is a movie producer to take her pubescent daugther to the movie-making place) says "sfondami tutta". during copulation (she also offered to hold down same daughter for defloration). she does not literally mean that she wants him to tear her uterus through her abdomen and into the light.
mircea_popescu: she's just saying a thing. so is this dale dougherty anon.
asciilifeform: 'The Mating Crisis Among Educated Women' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: let me guess, "can't find enough males willing to support the fantasy" ?
asciilifeform: howdjaguess, 'At the University of Texas at Austin where I teach, the sex ratio is 54 percent women to 46 percent men. This imbalance may not seem large at first blush. But when you do the math it translates into a hefty 17 percent more women than men in the local mating pool. Speculations about reasons range widely. They include the gradual removal of gender discrimination barriers and women’s higher levels of conscientiousness (r
asciilifeform: elative to men’s) that translate into better grades and superior college app qualifications' etc
ben_vulpes: !!up mircea_popescu
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: lizards dun like it when you talk like that mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz i'm knee deep in "educated" womenz shattered delusions.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 54-46
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 54-46 = 8
mircea_popescu: !~calc (54-46)/46
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (54-46)/46 = 0.17391304347826086
mircea_popescu: that's so clever.
mircea_popescu: the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends.
mircea_popescu: eg, textile making survived for as long as weavers were men.
mircea_popescu: so -- get ready for no moar academia, very much in liune with trilema bull on topic.
asciilifeform: lol wat 'get ready', it happened long ago
mircea_popescu: what happened a few decades ago was the transition to the macgonagall stage, so to speak. first clowns take over, then women.
asciilifeform: interestingly they also doctor the Official stats re subj : a casual walk through u of md reveals ~70+% femality, but Official figure, last i saw, was 49 or somesuch
asciilifeform: hatefact.
mircea_popescu: no but see, hos moar "conscientious" than bros. 49% female faculty = 70% female campus walkers. because they put in more hours etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the men leave when a profession is deskilled. at least in the weaver example.
shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: My Japanese reading is shit, so dunno how results mite be yet
mircea_popescu: some of them, at least.
asciilifeform: re asciilifeform's local shithole, moar interesting observation -- at one time the comp sci dept was ~90% male. today -- after subjects like 'operating systems', 'compilers' -- where you gotta form a working mental model of what the fuck yer doing, or you have no chance , and the working material is not amenable to 'i'ma randomly hammer until it works' -- no moar.
asciilifeform: *after subjects abolished
mircea_popescu: honestly, i see no problem with this.
mircea_popescu: education should not be available via "public" ie tax-subsidized channels. let woman that wants to actually learn anything find a master and submit sexually.
mircea_popescu: what fucking college. harem.
asciilifeform: afaik the 'private' unis are exactly same, but with fatter idjits
mircea_popescu: my private uni is not at all same.
mircea_popescu: explicit power relations, including rape as a definite portion of the curricula, all that good stuff.
asciilifeform: lol it'll be the translationdictionary dirigible thread alloveragain won't it.
mircea_popescu: ra ra ra!!
asciilifeform: 'what if i need to hire some engineers and dun have a harem' 'slice lengthwise!!'
mircea_popescu: if you perceive you might need engineers in winter, wolfy, start building harem in summer.
mircea_popescu: if you wait to sharpen your fangs until you have what to use them on... you won't have the time!
asciilifeform: this is yet another of those occasions when asciilifeform is half-convinced mircea_popescu posts from a parallel dimension, where females who can keep e.g. 100-state fsm in their skull, are something other than 1 ppb
mircea_popescu: so ? filter!
mircea_popescu: and train.
asciilifeform: fwiw not only does mircea_popescu not keep those in his harem, but wouldn't want to . high testosterone ( ever see portrait of e. noether ? )
mircea_popescu: why not ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 21:05 asciilifeform: ( revisiting upstack: one sad irony of beelzebub : the world-class chix, e.g. emmy noether, tend to be square faces. testosterone will do that. )
mircea_popescu: it's a harem not a fucking advertisment. you can keep whatever you like.
asciilifeform: but wouldja ?
mircea_popescu: noether ? yes.
mircea_popescu: ugly-and-not-noether no. but, hard to argue against the company of smart chicks.
asciilifeform: then nao we know where the planet's 2.5 allotted noethers went!111
mircea_popescu: i'm not THAT attractive.
asciilifeform: sad thing is, 'noethers' have a tendency to die fairly young and virgo intacta
mircea_popescu: also, the testosterone issue is visible in much older women. when she was 16, noether was as much helped by the 16 yo's boon as any other girl.
mircea_popescu: the moustache appears later.
asciilifeform: possibly. afaik no photo of 16-noether survives.
mircea_popescu: all this aside, i'm very performance driven. i care much more about what she does than what she looks like. which is why djb, sexy as she might be, has nevertheless 0 hot factor for me. ill behaved / stupid hotties are not hot to any degree i can personally measure.
mircea_popescu: others' mileage may vary, of course. but as far as i'm concerned...
mircea_popescu: bernstein.
asciilifeform: i thought bernstein were a bloke
mircea_popescu: im making a metaphorical bridge.
mircea_popescu: there's no "ill make myself beautiful and then win" solipsistic approach. make yourself really obedient and you'll win.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends. <- more like whenever *everyone* makes it into something, it's a clear bet that it's not anymore the something it used to be
mircea_popescu: what do you mean moreover ?
diana_coman: moreover?
diana_coman: I guess you can take "women become dominant" as visible threshold of "everyone makes it" but to my eyes that's already late as it were; profession ended long time before that
mircea_popescu: it's forcing a point, cooking for instance didn't end with women becoming dominant sometime cca 35k years ago
mircea_popescu: but for many modern and postmodern activities it's a great heuristic.
diana_coman: dunno the facts there, but afaik professional cooks are still majority men, aren't they
mircea_popescu: ok. professional fuckers -- majority women.
mircea_popescu: fucking didn't end either.
diana_coman: but yes, that's my point: it's nothing to do with women per se being there; all to do with lowering the bar
shinohai: lowering bar so black girls can code?
mircea_popescu: but the lowering of the bar ends up hitting women
diana_coman: well, it ends up hitting everyone at that, doesn't it?
diana_coman: who the hell does it help exactly
diana_coman: oh, it helps to pretend for a bit longer and then fall from the top of a higher cliff; is that the help?
mircea_popescu: that's the sadness of evo biology : if you have a sexuate species (as the predicate) then you will have sexual dismorfism. because if you don't, why bother with sexuation. if you have sexual dismorfism, you will have a more diverse and a less diverse gender. because that's what dismorfism IS. if you conventionally name the more diverse gender male (as you do) and the less diverse gender female (as you do), then NECESSARILY as
mircea_popescu: you lower the bar for any objective performance you will get more women qualified ; and conversely the only way to increase female prevalence in any activity is to lower the performative bar.
diana_coman: I can't say I really looked into this; I do remember your trilema article on this idea re searching in the male gender
diana_coman: to start with I'm not sure there is such total separation between genders as in searches in male gender means advances do not translate further down the line in moving up the average on female gender too , for instance
diana_coman: and then there are anyway tradeoffs at all points; e.g. male stronger, yes; but generally less agile
diana_coman: diversity means it covers a wider range; doesn't necessarily mean average is higher
mircea_popescu: possibly move the average, but it's still not going to have an impact. women alive today compete with people alive today not with the previous generations
mircea_popescu: and average doesn't have to be higheer, at all. if five men are measured by your criteria as 12, 11, 10, 9, 8 and five women are measured 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 10.2 and 10.1, the female average is still way over the male average and yet the first two Xs will be men.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the top-3 men average will beat the shit out of the top-5 or top-3 women average, which is the problem in academia.
mircea_popescu: exclusion is much more effectual tool in male than female petri dish, which is why men fight and women gossip.
trinque: male filtering being lossy, females costing more to lose biologically
diana_coman: ah, there is that, certainly
mircea_popescu: it's all there is ; then people wrangle themselves into a tizzy trying to "fix" the unfixable.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:01 mircea_popescu: now, i would much appreciate if you took the current bs and ipa'd it properly (it's not THAT hard, ro ipa set is narrow and unambiguous)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't perchance know the fella ? having studied at cluj
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: he trained a nn )
asciilifeform: feedstock was that very same Dex
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform postdoc student ; after my time
asciilifeform: 'Based on the input grapheme codes, the neural networks generate one by one the 30 bit code indicating the presence or the absence of the 30 articulatory features. The output feature vectors are compared with the encoded vectors of the phonemes used. The distance between the output vector and each coded vector is calculated using Manhattan distance function and the system response is chosen as the vector with the smallest distance. T
asciilifeform: o develop the pronouncing dictionary we have used the largest online dictionary for Romanian language, the DexOnline dictionary [13]. DexOnline dictionary is freely available, can be downloaded from the Internet as a mysqldump generated SQL file and used in accordance with the terms of GNU General Public License. The database can be easily restored on a MySQL database server.'
mircea_popescu: is that still tru ?
mircea_popescu: item available
mircea_popescu: check it out, ro language tripled in 7 years.
asciilifeform: i've nfi what's in there, mebbe lolcat pics
mircea_popescu: in other long term lulz, https://archive.is/936Xp
shinohai: Follow-up from DJI tidbit asciilifeform posted a few days ago: http://archive.is/CuVRo
asciilifeform: see also :
asciilifeform: !#s responsible disclosure
a111: 22 results for "responsible disclosure", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=responsible%20disclosure
a111: Logged on 2015-12-20 17:54 asciilifeform: didn't we do a 'responsible disclosure'-is-for-idiots thread ?
asciilifeform: what part of skip! straight! to! the! rape! is hard to understand.
asciilifeform: and the moar public, the moar raw -- the moar educational.
mircea_popescu: but education is specifically what's not sought.
asciilifeform: from strict pest control pov -- same conclusion tho
asciilifeform: ( did we ever do the al schwartz crushed roach pheromone thread ? let it be said that even insect can sometimes 'learn from the death of others' )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept of interesting but dead, http://adagin.blogspot.com
asciilifeform: ^ pretty detailed discussion of ada 'elaboration' arcana
asciilifeform: typical, http://adagin.blogspot.com/2013/12/ada-2005-access-types-part-i.html , lively : type Hooker_Array is array (Positive range <>) of Hooker_Class_Ptr; procedure Violate_Bodies (x : Hooker_Array); ... 'We want to track all our victims, presumably in some sort of set or container, so that we might disinter them later as needed. Similarly, we might also want to do strange, awful things with the dead bodies of the hookers.'
shinohai: Is this why I like Ada now?
BingoBoingo: I though you like them warm shinohai
shinohai: I'm an entrepreneur though .... I might one day have need for a few ded ones.
asciilifeform: in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: motherfucking disgrace.
asciilifeform: and this is on O2.
asciilifeform: ooh and guess what, pragma Inline_Always(...) arbitrarily ( in some % of cases, prolly based on size of subprogram ) has the effect of... take a guess
asciilifeform: ... pretty depressing, and just about obscene, you could just about fit msdos mega-game DIGGER.COM in the space taken by gcc's notion of ffa_mul_comba !
asciilifeform: also gotta love gnat's ~total inability to keep range checks out of inner loopage
asciilifeform: ( blows the pipeline -- snail speed )
shinohai: http://archive.is/Byh5w <<< Roger Ver, source of endless lulz
mircea_popescu: the part where the schmuck "bets" 25k btc...
mircea_popescu: patrick thompson is more of a tool for repeating that sorta nonsense than ver himself.
shinohai: Dear lord we need Qntra back.
shinohai: "Rank 944" lmao
mircea_popescu: so apparently znort made a clean close of teh bitbet, neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends on which randos are telling the truth, which -- not, neh
asciilifeform: ~unknowable.
mircea_popescu: easy to prove he didn't.
asciilifeform: is it ?
asciilifeform: nm i see it
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 00:54 asciilifeform: in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: i had it set to max fascism. which explains why bounds of same item get checked again and again and again and...
asciilifeform: ... even of same params outside and then inside a funct call !
asciilifeform: who makes a compiler like this, and why, is anybody's guess. for all i know, we're the first folx ever to use gnat and at the same time give half a shit re speed.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone uses ~most anything.
asciilifeform: supposedly -- boeing uses.
BingoBoingo: That's not very comforting for someone about to spend ~3/4 of a day in 737-800's
BingoBoingo: But, drive's too long for this timeline and ticket is acquired
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is this yer first voyage out of monkeystan or wat
BingoBoingo: It is indeed. Also first voyage on an airplane.
asciilifeform: woah i had nfi.
BingoBoingo: Well, midwesterner.
asciilifeform: lol i thought midwestern meant having ~own~ plane!1
BingoBoingo: Poor child from poor family.
BingoBoingo: Lol, some have own planes but of the cloth and tentpoles variety. Then again driving is less of a burden when 1 minute of time in vehicle translates into at least one mile of forward movement.
asciilifeform: cloth an' stick sopwith -- quite respectable imho
BingoBoingo: Usually powered by lawnmower type Briggs/Kohler/Honda motor
asciilifeform: i saw one being flown in timişoara -- possibly literally a sopwith . buzzing the steeples.
BingoBoingo: "Airport" down the road even claims to host world "powered parachute" thing
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741039 << buenos viajes, señor BingoBoingo
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:30 BingoBoingo: Arrival in Montevideo arranged for Dec 6th, at same time as departing prior day.
BingoBoingo: The affair will be blogged.
mircea_popescu: this is adorable.
BingoBoingo will try to make it worth mp's generous funding
BingoBoingo: The reaction of fellows from the BingoBoingo store have been especially adorable
asciilifeform takes off hat , to BingoBoingo's courage
ben_vulpes: cheers, BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: bon voyage, etc
mircea_popescu: everything gotta have a first time...
BingoBoingo: Aha, and in republic's state of necessity the dilemma is exactly http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#identifier_6_74280 EXCEPT having partaken of the logs since 2013 and having done so sober since 2015, there is no accident of innocence which could excuse not going
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
BingoBoingo: Typical conversation at BingoBoingo store since turning in notice: "Wait, where are you going?" "Uruguay" "Where are you going to be working" "The Internet" "Why the fuck is there any interest in you going there" "I have a very particular set of skills"
BingoBoingo: One girl has been joking that I must be CIA which is lol, because I am exact opposite.
lobbes: <BingoBoingo> [04:33:27] It is indeed. Also first voyage on an airplane. << damn. btw, if yer sinuses are as bad as mine the final descent (~30 mins) is usually accompanied by intense ear pain/itching.
BingoBoingo: And to those who get more detail: "How do you know these people" "I've been doing writing and piece work for them off and on for some years, and now there's a need for more me"
lobbes: I use to fly 4 flights a week for about a year straight for a previous gig (granted all short hops within empire). After much experimentation, best method I found for this was: 1) pop a pseudoephedrine or two a coupla hours before descent 2) RESIST all urges to fiddle with ears 3) fuck chewing gum; try and get a yawn-cycle going
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sounds liek a movie script dunnit.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's absolutely nothing easier to tell people than the truth
mircea_popescu: lobbes from what i hear blowjobs are >>> chewing gum.
lobbes: hue
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