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deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/michelangelo-antonioni-ce-un-imbecille-che-non-hai-altro/ << Trilema - Michelangelo Antonioni c'e un imbecille che non hai altro.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727577 << can't imagine why they designed it this way, but ~everyone does, coinbase, mycellium, coin-something else.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 01:15 trinque: super dumb.
mircea_popescu: the god of magic numbers gave them the 900 second and they're sticking ot it!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a) you're not going to make money renting space as such. this wasn't even in the original design, i've nfi why you added it in.
mircea_popescu: b) you're not going to charge 1k/mo for any servers, don't be ridiculous. you're going to pay 500-2k to buy the server, and then rent it out for the usual 2x the fixed cost.
mircea_popescu: your 42 u full rack takes 40 boxes, optimized so they pull say 150-200 W on average. that'll keep you out of power overages 99% of the time.
mircea_popescu: they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1e5 / 40 / 12
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1e5 / 40 / 12 = 208.33333333333331
BingoBoingo: !!balance
mircea_popescu: your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
mircea_popescu: these take more work, and consequently provide more revenue.
mircea_popescu: after the first year your machines are amortized and your downline built, so you're looking at some decent net margin. before the first year you're burdened by the capital costs and stuck with low occupancy, so you bleed cash.
mircea_popescu: that's ~the story.
mircea_popescu: what separates the men from the children is that one year, and whether at the end of it you're green or not.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly. << This is roughly my impression. 50k colorent, 40-70k-ish hardware, 35-ish k physical presence so as to walk to servers, 2k birthing company, 5k retainers, 100k prudent reserve (In case of Best Korea, Intifada, meteor storm, Pelosi). Rent boxes out for ~2x cost basis (all in, not board so
BingoBoingo: PCENGINES APU not so cheap), VPS 3x+ cost basis. Misc weird (i.e. hand courier and colo 32 bit SPARC machine) billed in proportion to time they take from providing excellent customer service and 2x cost basis for livng space.
BingoBoingo: But this week is about refining that to more concrete figure.
BingoBoingo: But 25-30k/month by month 18 is goal
BingoBoingo: gross receipts
mircea_popescu: well it's good to have goals in any case.
BingoBoingo: Well goal more honest than US retail label of "plan"
BingoBoingo: Also it seems the deedbutt payment hasn't gone through yet.
mircea_popescu: my bad, i had it wrong for both of you.
BingoBoingo: Not to address, but to deedbutt wallet
mircea_popescu: !!pay BingoBoingo 1
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo done nao.
hanbot: Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1"
BingoBoingo: Ah, ty
BingoBoingo: !!balance
BingoBoingo: !!~ticker --market all
mod6: <+hanbot> Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1" << yeah, srsly.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, my impression of the business is that its like farming, except customer service is a thing.
BingoBoingo: Occasionally there's big moves, none bigger than starting out. Everything else is consistency at every size.
mircea_popescu: possibru.
asciilifeform waves from sunny orcistan
asciilifeform: so far mind blown with amazing phoodz for cost of old chewed tyre back in usgistan
asciilifeform: sads include the piles of ads in english everywhere
asciilifeform: omfg hotel has a SHOEHORN
asciilifeform: meanwhile, asciilifeform had best coffee since c3; for < cost of a toiletpaper in usa
asciilifeform: and, asciilifeform to pet : ‘look where yer going, or thou shalt surely fall into a pit’ pet: nya < then proceeds promptly to fall into small pit > argh
asciilifeform: just the sights alone in the town — pant-creaming ; esp the gurlz
BingoBoingo: !!Up nikopo1
deedbot: nikopo1 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watch out for pits yourself. Also, how are the toilets?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perfect
asciilifeform: with bidet no less
asciilifeform: but nao i found a train station boarded up and with 1980s trains still on the rails...
shinohai: Ooh old trainz in abandoned stations would make neat photoset
shinohai: Also gm #trilema
asciilifeform: aaalso nobody sells bottlekey, asciilifeform had to use... fence spike
asciilifeform: aaalso why are there signs warning of buried ~oxygen~ pipes !
asciilifeform: cautioning not to grease.
mircea_popescu: !!rate BHopkins -1 ineffectual dork with delusions of self-independence and whatnot. see also http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
shinohai: I'm beginning to think people that randomly receive full integer Bitcoins from mircea_popescu get cursed.
mircea_popescu: rather, they were cursed with stupid to begin with, and had so far lived in a sort of environment where it had been carefully made inpossible to prove it.
mircea_popescu: but the curse of stupid is amply distributed and heavy indeed. consider : for the past THREE YEARS i have been giving ANY WOMAN IN THE WORLD hundreds of dollars. this is more than ANY "organization" ever did for the women in this world, be it something from usg.alphabet, or usg.un bureaucracy or anyone else.
mircea_popescu: but the needy women themselves have carefully worked together to avoid being halped.
mircea_popescu: mark twain has a bit about how every whore in the west hit up john smith for alms whenever.
mircea_popescu: john smith is jack shit, the west didn't hold 4 bn women in 1860.
shinohai: Bwahaha those "A girl online " comments in that article are so lulzy
asciilifeform in grocery shop, buying THREE types of sprat
mircea_popescu: are you having fun alf ?
asciilifeform: pantcreaming
asciilifeform: wishing i could move..
mircea_popescu: so what's to keep you.
asciilifeform: moolaah
asciilifeform: nobody needs an asciilifeform here feranything
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 12:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watch out for pits yourself. Also, how are the toilets?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you like it there you'd prolly luv odessa.
asciilifeform: otherwise would be already buyin one of them cheap roofless palaces
mircea_popescu: better girls, better food, imo.
asciilifeform: i fuckigcantstand ukrs tho
mircea_popescu: why ? tall, lithe. no tits and mostly absent ass, but hey, can't have errything.
asciilifeform: i luvv the $cuntry gurlz
asciilifeform: even pet agrees
mircea_popescu: so then get one.
asciilifeform: i’d get an everything here if could
mircea_popescu: so what's keeping you ? go up to whichever looks best and say "hey, we'd like to take you in for a pet."
mircea_popescu: sure as fuck beats "raising" a dog ; and i can readily understand one not wanting to go through genital roulette at the cost of an irreplaceable decade and a reasonably rare million.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wut ?
asciilifeform: can’t picture them wanting to go back to goatfuckistan where asciilifeform calls home
mircea_popescu: never mind that.
asciilifeform: and currently insufficing $lang-fu of asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: they can make their own decisions when it's their time to talk. take life one day at a time, can feed and pet your new pet today.
asciilifeform: will have to be tried on next expedition
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask in english, what.
mircea_popescu: if they don't speak it who wants them for a pet anyway.
asciilifeform working hard to keep his heathenry a seekrit
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha.
asciilifeform: so far mixed result
mircea_popescu: 0 result, just you can't tell mixed of the time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu prolly nails it
asciilifeform: i aint even dressed properly
mircea_popescu: our conversation today has distilled a golden bible of happy pet-taking. it goes like so : rule #1, do not presume to take decisions for the animal, it's capable for itself. rule #2, do not presume to put up a show for the animal, its sense of smell is fine by nature.
mircea_popescu: rule #3, ask her.
asciilifeform brb, partaking of marvels of civilizedworld
mircea_popescu: !!up jawbone
deedbot: jawbone voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 14:54 asciilifeform: aaalso why are there signs warning of buried ~oxygen~ pipes !
asciilifeform: i got picz!!
diana_coman: !!v 70E0D6D289568E9DA00A34BDB09376F67BECE9A0CCE40F0E82EEF02F1234F5C2
deedbot: diana_coman rated asciilifeform 5 << His kindergarten is better than your university. Also: producer of sane and reliable fuckgoats, horsecocks and lamport parachutes among other useful items.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lessee ?
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : after failing to produce any footage anyone can be arsed to watch for 20 years running,. hollywood is finally being abandoned to the sufragette politruk brigade. as a result, amusing pieces like the discovery that jenniffer "nature itself is angry at trump" lawrence got her pussy grabbed by anyone and everyone, including momentary famous kulak harvey weinstein. AND LIKE IT. because yes, she's exactly what
mircea_popescu: she is, pussygrabbable talent.
mircea_popescu: the lulz via https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/10/10/author-and-journo-nukes-hollywood-on-weinstein-all-these-leftist-actresses-expressing-shock-are-lying/ which turns out to be a rather large community blog thing, on occasdion not even terrible.
asciilifeform: i’ma post laters
asciilifeform: mmm unspeakable phoods
asciilifeform: btw folx mircea_popescu knows where asciilifeform went
mircea_popescu: (for the curious : the weinstein brothers were instrumental in independent film even existing in the us, through founding miramax and inventing sundance. uneasy relationship with pantsuit exploded in early 2010s, over michael moore's complaining that tribute's insufficient ; this after the inane pantsuitist idiocy of forrest gump was given pulp ficiton's oscar.)
asciilifeform: mmm duck with 0 shitcornsyrops!
asciilifeform: and for what a mccoffee costs in old blighted usg shitlands
ben_vulpes: whoa where in usgstan do they serve duck with faux syrup
mircea_popescu: in alf's world.
ben_vulpes: in my corner of hell sets of folks who eat duck and corn syrup are disjoint
asciilifeform and pet sit on iron thrones in main square and kibitz re moving here
ben_vulpes very curious about this here
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu ! there ain’t any bums! where are the bums, where the barf ?!
asciilifeform: none here ...
mircea_popescu: what barf is htis ?
asciilifeform: in washington dc bums on all benches, even ones with spikes
mircea_popescu: i am not responsible to explain why ustardianism is eccentric / not found outside of the ustard reservation.
asciilifeform: whereas here many benches, some that could seat a platoon, 0 bumz
asciilifeform off to obtain delish caek
asciilifeform: mmm, caek, cognac
asciilifeform: holyfuq, parks open even after sundown
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 19:24 asciilifeform: mmm, caek, cognac
asciilifeform: afaik nothing like this exists in usa, not even for 5-10x the moolah
mircea_popescu: nothing exists in the usa ; including any moolah.
asciilifeform: pet nearly cummed in pants eating it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727722 << you’d be surprised at what’s ~really~ in ultra-mega-premium usa restaurant phood, ben_vulpes
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 18:14 ben_vulpes: in my corner of hell sets of folks who eat duck and corn syrup are disjoint
mircea_popescu: !#s sysco
asciilifeform: syscolade
mircea_popescu: there's maybe a dozen or so restaurants in the us, and im pretty sure they're not open to the public other than because they're 19 and "male pig" invited them
asciilifeform: asciilifeform unsurprisingly cannot comment re these - dark matter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right tho, the places in usa open to public, will happily take in arbitrarily thick wad of green, and giveya syscolade.
asciilifeform: in other phoods, there is a ru-ism re people emigrating to usa ‘for 50 types of sausage’. but in usa the 50 sausages are mysterymeat. here - actual; they gave samples...
mircea_popescu: didja find leberwurst yet ?
asciilifeform: found, not bought yet
asciilifeform: trying to not become too addicted
asciilifeform: reacclimating to ye olde gulag will be hardenuff as it is
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727598 << pcengines ftr costs <200bux (sans disk), draws ~10w, and much spiffier for any practical use than vps
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 05:20 mircea_popescu: your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
asciilifeform: and physically possible to put 8+ of’em in 1u
mircea_popescu: you can't market vps as 1 to the U.
mircea_popescu: maybe like that, though surprises may crop up.
asciilifeform: i’ma make a pilot of it at some point soon
asciilifeform: try at max load
asciilifeform: at various temps
asciilifeform: with forced air, without. etc
asciilifeform: at one time i designed a pcengine-holder for a cancelled commercial proj
asciilifeform: they are very easy to mount, 4 drill hole and 12v dc
asciilifeform: heat spreader was the slightly tricky bit
asciilifeform: i like that this board has public schematic.
asciilifeform only knows 1 other x64 board with schems: ‘gizmo’
asciilifeform: i also! have firmware builder honed for these
asciilifeform: can compile custom payloads etc
asciilifeform: boot straight into get-os-over-nic or the like.
mircea_popescu: mebbe worth actually trying one, see how it goes.
asciilifeform: in other reportage from orcvalhalla: there are as many mini-casinos here as banks.
asciilifeform: poker, pseudopoker, bandit ...
asciilifeform: even a roulette
asciilifeform: ( faux, electric )
mircea_popescu: um. really ? during the daytime ?! how many people ?
asciilifeform: robocasino
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc trinque is running some infrastructure on pcengine even nao
asciilifeform not much into casinoism
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 00:37 mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
asciilifeform: mod6 et al
asciilifeform: after release ‘p’, i’ma return to civilized-btctronics among other wurk
asciilifeform: ffatronic btcsigtron wouldn’t hurt also
asciilifeform: in other amazements, asciilifeform’s eternal allergy stops in these lands almost straight from the plane, can breathe like anybody
asciilifeform: i bet it’s the syscolade absence or similar
asciilifeform wonders if folx other than mircea_popescu are yet ready to solve riddle, of where did asciilifeform go.
asciilifeform: riddle inspired by the classic where-is-mp game from earlier thread
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727606 << lol sparc why wouldja do that to yerself
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 05:49 BingoBoingo: PCENGINES APU not so cheap), VPS 3x+ cost basis. Misc weird (i.e. hand courier and colo 32 bit SPARC machine) billed in proportion to time they take from providing excellent customer service and 2x cost basis for livng space.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727650 >> asciilifeform at one time got one! but escaped the curse! ( how: sent it back, nyahaha )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 15:19 shinohai: I'm beginning to think people that randomly receive full integer Bitcoins from mircea_popescu get cursed.
asciilifeform: with interest
shinohai: If BingoBoingo gets cursed I'll be sad :(
asciilifeform: ( see asciilifeform’s www , 2nd artic iirc in ‘bitcoinism’ cat. )
mircea_popescu: multiple people, perhaps most notably publicly known case, http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/
mircea_popescu: but really, there's dozen+.
asciilifeform: how many cuntless folx
mircea_popescu: a few of those too.
shinohai: That looks suspiciously like Girl Fawksey
mircea_popescu: ineptitude and idiocy are present, yes, but not really teh norm.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 16:29 deedbot: diana_coman rated asciilifeform 5 << His kindergarten is better than your university. Also: producer of sane and reliable fuckgoats, horsecocks and lamport parachutes among other useful items.
asciilifeform: also erlehmann wrote in, says he wrote a parachute himself , http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/lamport-parachute-sh.html
asciilifeform: i dunno why he found mine ‘convoluted’ tho
asciilifeform: i find his - a harder nut
mircea_popescu: code, easier to write than read.
asciilifeform: imho mine was quite readable
mod6: <+asciilifeform> after release 'p', i'ma return to civilized-btctronics among other wurk << cool, right on.
shinohai: I did not change asciilifeform 's functions at all, it was readable as is. I simply combined all the functions into a single script xD
asciilifeform: i recall
shinohai: If it ain't broke, why fix it? (tm)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ffa is example of very painful to write, but intended to be a breeze to read, workpiece
mod6: <+asciilifeform> imho mine was quite readable << i never had any problem.
asciilifeform: in other holyfuqs: hotelshower has A HOSE
shinohai: Useful for hosing down pet after feeding her caek and cognac perhaps?
asciilifeform: ( in usa these are ~unknown, the one in asciilifeform’s house he brings himself to every new digs )
asciilifeform: shinohai: that’s bidet
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other holyfuqs: hotelshower has A HOSE << like a garden hose?
asciilifeform: erlehmann also wrote in re that lamport parachute is neat because can be fired using only paper. which is indeed tru, and quite neat in situation that calls for parachuting.
asciilifeform: mod6: like shower hose
asciilifeform: y’know , like civilized folx have, wash yer arse without somersaults
mod6: ah
mod6: gotcha
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> If BingoBoingo gets cursed I'll be sad :( << Not the first time having recieved coin from MP
shinohai: Good, that means you are immune
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727598 << pcengines ftr costs <200bux (sans disk), draws ~10w, and much spiffier for any practical use than vps << AHA, but it feeds same market segment. The thing about cheap boards is people can forget the other things that go into being a machine like casing, etc
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 05:20 mircea_popescu: your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other reportage from orcvalhalla: there are as many mini-casinos here as banks. << 5 years ago here in Southern Illinois there were few of these, now in most bars and a good chunk of gas stations. Even a few freestanding ones.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fivebux of sheet iron could house 8
BingoBoingo: I am interested in this layout.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not bars here, but entire gambling-dens with nought but dedicated лохотронs
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727791 << this whole time I figured I just missed something in the logs
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 21:28 asciilifeform wonders if folx other than mircea_popescu are yet ready to solve riddle, of where did asciilifeform go.
asciilifeform: nope lobbes
asciilifeform: not missed
asciilifeform: asciilifeform went to an orcistan to do a necessary thing but also catching lulz along the way
asciilifeform walked easily 25km today
asciilifeform: and the air, did i mention, smells great
mod6: nice. enjoy
lobbes: Hm. Good air. quality coffee for < price of us toilet paper. Mini-casinos abound. The clues mount
mod6: holes in street
shinohai: He's in New Jersey xD
mod6: ll
mod6: +o
lobbes: L0l. That fresh jersey air
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2017/untrue-story/#comment-123275 << i suspect that asciilifeform’s folx abused the word . yes it typically refers to entrances
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 23:05 shinohai: He's in New Jersey xD
asciilifeform: you couldn’t pay me to live in nj
mircea_popescu: why ? all the hot babes on jersey shore...
mircea_popescu: !!balance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do they keep’em in same bunker as the seekrit nonsysco restaurants ?
asciilifeform brb, sleep
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: not bars here, but entire gambling-dens with nought but dedicated лохотронs << There are a few of those popping up too.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Didja end up in the Dontesk republic?
BingoBoingo: Anyways pcengines is not proposed VPS host, but proposed VPS alternative
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-socialists-pretending-to-relevancy/ << Trilema - The socialists pretending to relevancy
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 5986.21, vol: 12239.10554141 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 5986.0, vol: 49130.50024663 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6012.8, vol: 3168.24271521 | Volume-weighted last average: 5987.35546999
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